#30251 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Posted: 04/08/2020 11:06
odustajem, nemam ja toliko energije, nije Đaba narodna, pametniji popuštaMogy87 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:02Many covid patients come to hospital, very late despite being life-threatening patients, according to statistics that SVT Nyheter has read. Some of them have been urged by healthcare staff to stay at home and provide self-care instead of seeking emergency care.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/larm ... K2fhCEgbBI
An assistant nurse in southern Dalarna suspected that a patient, an elderly man, had covid-19 when he showed clear symptoms of it. She therefore asked a doctor to test him for it - but the doctor refused. A few weeks later, the assistant nurse herself fell ill with covid-19 and was admitted. The incident is now being reported to IVO.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/dalar ... vDSowb2WuE
Švedska: Nema intenzivne njege za pacijente starije od 80 godina
Rukovodstvo bolnice u Švedskoj ljekarima izdalo naredbu da pacijente starije od 80 godina tokom liječenja od zaraze korona virusa ne stavljaju u odjele za intenzivnu njegu.
Izvinjavam se ipak je preko 60:
Istim dokumentom, rukovodstvo bolnice ljekarima je naložilo da na intenzivnu njegu prioritetno ne šalju ni pacijente starije od 60 godina ako od prije zaraze koronavirusom imaju i neku hroničnu bolest.
http://ba.n1info.com/Svijet/a423987/Sve ... gZExPC50fQ
Sve sam ja to probao do sada od navedenih opcija, ali ne pije vode. Još mi ostalo samo da joj se mužu javim
Moraš malo u obzir uzeti i mentalitet.Nadzorna_ploca wrote: ↑04/08/2020 10:53 Svedjani zakljucani i logicno da im je laksa epidemioloska situacija.
Bosanci zakljucani i logicno teza epidemioloska situacija.
Jedno je u svezi sa drugim, nas bi trebalo otkljucati pa bi raja onda valjda manje se lizala i drpala.![]()
Cak su im i skole radile koliko vidim za najmladje uzraste.. Ne znam jesu li im obavezne maske u zatvorenim prostorima i jesu li ih ikada zvanicno preporucivali?All schools will be closed, not including early education.
Most government-run public facilities (theatres, libraries, museums etc.) will be shut down.
Critical personnel will be exempted from the Working Hours Act and Annual Holidays Act, both in the private and public sector.
At most 10 people can participate in a public meeting, and people over the age of 70 should avoid human contact if possible.
Outsiders are forbidden from entering healthcare facilities and hospitals, excluding relatives of critically ill people and children.
The capacity of social and healthcare will be increased in the private and public sector, while less critical activity will be decreased.
Preparations for the shutdown of borders will start, and citizens or permanent residents returning to Finland will be placed under a 2-week quarantine.
laik1981 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:34 Rijetko pominjemo Finsku koja je prosla poprilicno dobro a samo je ove mjere uvodila u spici pandemije
Cak su im i skole radile koliko vidim za najmladje uzraste.. Ne znam jesu li im obavezne maske u zatvorenim prostorima i jesu li ih ikada zvanicno preporucivali?All schools will be closed, not including early education.
Most government-run public facilities (theatres, libraries, museums etc.) will be shut down.
Critical personnel will be exempted from the Working Hours Act and Annual Holidays Act, both in the private and public sector.
At most 10 people can participate in a public meeting, and people over the age of 70 should avoid human contact if possible.
Outsiders are forbidden from entering healthcare facilities and hospitals, excluding relatives of critically ill people and children.
The capacity of social and healthcare will be increased in the private and public sector, while less critical activity will be decreased.
Preparations for the shutdown of borders will start, and citizens or permanent residents returning to Finland will be placed under a 2-week quarantine.
Ove mjere u Finskoj, ako su ovo sve, a to sam samo nasao, su nevjerovatno lagane i fleksibilne. Bez zatvaranja privatnih biznisa koliko vidim. Jesu li im radili ugostiteljski objekti, vrtici i slicno? Ne mogu da nadjem te podatke.. Kakva je kod njih bila situacijama sa maskama? Koliko vidim nije bilo nekih zvanicnih preporuka i naredjenja. Uglavnom prosli su bezbolno, a nisu se ni minimalno izivljavali nad gradjanima.Mogy87 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:42laik1981 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:34 Rijetko pominjemo Finsku koja je prosla poprilicno dobro a samo je ove mjere uvodila u spici pandemije
Cak su im i skole radile koliko vidim za najmladje uzraste.. Ne znam jesu li im obavezne maske u zatvorenim prostorima i jesu li ih ikada zvanicno preporucivali?All schools will be closed, not including early education.
Most government-run public facilities (theatres, libraries, museums etc.) will be shut down.
Critical personnel will be exempted from the Working Hours Act and Annual Holidays Act, both in the private and public sector.
At most 10 people can participate in a public meeting, and people over the age of 70 should avoid human contact if possible.
Outsiders are forbidden from entering healthcare facilities and hospitals, excluding relatives of critically ill people and children.
The capacity of social and healthcare will be increased in the private and public sector, while less critical activity will be decreased.
Preparations for the shutdown of borders will start, and citizens or permanent residents returning to Finland will be placed under a 2-week quarantine.![]()
Njima se izbijanje pandemije poklopilo s novim Zakonom o radu koji predviđa jako puno rada od kuće.
"Now it’s taking the idea a step further. New legislation, which will come into force in early 2020, will make the average 40-hour working week… well, even more flexible.
Employees will be able to decide when and where they work for at least half of their hours. As well as fitting their job around childcare commitments or exercise sessions, most full-time workers will be able to “bank” time off and use it to take extended holidays.
Daily treks into the city could become unnecessary as the new rules facilitate a choice of working remotely."
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/ ... e-working/
To ti eliminiše dva ključna izvora zaraze što je forumaš @apsidejzi spominjao: radno mjesto i javni prijevoz. Nema rush houra i gužve u javnom prevozu.
Slazem se. Ali zamisli kod nas da svi pređu na rad od kuće? To je nemoguća misija. Pa bio je članak one gospođe iz Hrvatske koja radi u opštini u Švedskoj i sve radi od kuće. Zamisli naše "daj još jedan papir, nabadam tastaturu s dva prsta" šalteruše.laik1981 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:55Ove mjere u Finskoj, ako su ovo sve, a to sam samo nasao, su nevjerovatno lagane i fleksibilne. Bez zatvaranja privatnih biznisa koliko vidim. Jesu li im radili ugostiteljski objekti, vrtici i slicno? Ne mogu da nadjem te podatke.. Kakva je kod njih bila situacijama sa maskama? Koliko vidim nije bilo nekih zvanicnih preporuka i naredjenja. Uglavnom prosli su bezbolno, a nisu se ni minimalno izivljavali nad gradjanima.Mogy87 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:42![]()
Njima se izbijanje pandemije poklopilo s novim Zakonom o radu koji predviđa jako puno rada od kuće.
"Now it’s taking the idea a step further. New legislation, which will come into force in early 2020, will make the average 40-hour working week… well, even more flexible.
Employees will be able to decide when and where they work for at least half of their hours. As well as fitting their job around childcare commitments or exercise sessions, most full-time workers will be able to “bank” time off and use it to take extended holidays.
Daily treks into the city could become unnecessary as the new rules facilitate a choice of working remotely."
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/ ... e-working/
To ti eliminiše dva ključna izvora zaraze što je forumaš @apsidejzi spominjao: radno mjesto i javni prijevoz. Nema rush houra i gužve u javnom prevozu.
Pa ne moraju svi raditi od kuce, ali 90% administracije u drzavnim, a i privatnim firmama, moze raditi od kuce. I onako vecina ovih u drzavnim firmama i ne radi bog zna sta. Sve dnevne radne obaveze mogu zavrsiti za dva sata da su produktivniji i da nemaju po pet pauza.. Provjereno znam da su javne ustanove legla klastera koje nam donose ovaj porast brojeva. To je 100% tako i svako to moze provjeriti iz prve ruke ako poznaje ljude koji rade po tim ustanovama, a ja ih poznajem ogroman broj. Gotovo da nema javne ustanove koja nema poprilican broj zarazenih plus njihovi kontakti, uglavnom clanovi porodica. Previse upiremo prstom i isticemo kao problem desavanja koja nisu toliki uzrok problema koji imamo, a uporno ignorisemo srz problema. Ne radimo stvari kako treba zbog pogresno poredanih prioriteta.Mogy87 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 12:03Slazem se. Ali zamisli kod nas da svi pređu na rad od kuće? To je nemoguća misija. Pa bio je članak one gospođe iz Hrvatske koja radi u opštini u Švedskoj i sve radi od kuće. Zamisli naše "daj još jedan papir, nabadam tastaturu s dva prsta" šalteruše.laik1981 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:55Ove mjere u Finskoj, ako su ovo sve, a to sam samo nasao, su nevjerovatno lagane i fleksibilne. Bez zatvaranja privatnih biznisa koliko vidim. Jesu li im radili ugostiteljski objekti, vrtici i slicno? Ne mogu da nadjem te podatke.. Kakva je kod njih bila situacijama sa maskama? Koliko vidim nije bilo nekih zvanicnih preporuka i naredjenja. Uglavnom prosli su bezbolno, a nisu se ni minimalno izivljavali nad gradjanima.Mogy87 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:42
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Njima se izbijanje pandemije poklopilo s novim Zakonom o radu koji predviđa jako puno rada od kuće.
"Now it’s taking the idea a step further. New legislation, which will come into force in early 2020, will make the average 40-hour working week… well, even more flexible.
Employees will be able to decide when and where they work for at least half of their hours. As well as fitting their job around childcare commitments or exercise sessions, most full-time workers will be able to “bank” time off and use it to take extended holidays.
Daily treks into the city could become unnecessary as the new rules facilitate a choice of working remotely."
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/ ... e-working/
To ti eliminiše dva ključna izvora zaraze što je forumaš @apsidejzi spominjao: radno mjesto i javni prijevoz. Nema rush houra i gužve u javnom prevozu.
Ovo je OGROMNA prednost jer eliminiše jdva ključna izvora zaraze (ured i prijevoz).
Apsolutno se slažemlaik1981 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 12:15Pa ne moraju svi raditi od kuce, ali 90% administracije u drzavnim, a i privatnim firmama, moze raditi od kuce. I onako vecina ovih u drzavnim firmama i ne radi bog zna sta. Sve dnevne radne obaveze mogu zavrsiti za dva sata da su produktivniji i da nemaju po pet pauza.. Provjereno znam da su javne ustanove legla klastera koje nam donose ovaj porast brojeva. To je 100% tako i svako to moze provjeriti iz prve ruke ako poznaje ljude koji rade po tim ustanovama, a ja ih poznajem ogroman broj. Gotovo da nema javne ustanove koja nema poprilican broj zarazenih plus njihovi kontakti, uglavnom clanovi porodica. Previse upiremo prstom i isticemo kao problem desavanja koja nisu toliki uzrok problema koji imamo, a uporno ignorisemo srz problema. Ne radimo stvari kako treba zbog pogresno poredanih prioriteta.Mogy87 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 12:03Slazem se. Ali zamisli kod nas da svi pređu na rad od kuće? To je nemoguća misija. Pa bio je članak one gospođe iz Hrvatske koja radi u opštini u Švedskoj i sve radi od kuće. Zamisli naše "daj još jedan papir, nabadam tastaturu s dva prsta" šalteruše.laik1981 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:55
Ove mjere u Finskoj, ako su ovo sve, a to sam samo nasao, su nevjerovatno lagane i fleksibilne. Bez zatvaranja privatnih biznisa koliko vidim. Jesu li im radili ugostiteljski objekti, vrtici i slicno? Ne mogu da nadjem te podatke.. Kakva je kod njih bila situacijama sa maskama? Koliko vidim nije bilo nekih zvanicnih preporuka i naredjenja. Uglavnom prosli su bezbolno, a nisu se ni minimalno izivljavali nad gradjanima.
Ovo je OGROMNA prednost jer eliminiše jdva ključna izvora zaraze (ured i prijevoz).
Ja se sa tobom ne slazem ni oko cegaMogy87 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 12:19Apsolutno se slažemlaik1981 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 12:15Pa ne moraju svi raditi od kuce, ali 90% administracije u drzavnim, a i privatnim firmama, moze raditi od kuce. I onako vecina ovih u drzavnim firmama i ne radi bog zna sta. Sve dnevne radne obaveze mogu zavrsiti za dva sata da su produktivniji i da nemaju po pet pauza.. Provjereno znam da su javne ustanove legla klastera koje nam donose ovaj porast brojeva. To je 100% tako i svako to moze provjeriti iz prve ruke ako poznaje ljude koji rade po tim ustanovama, a ja ih poznajem ogroman broj. Gotovo da nema javne ustanove koja nema poprilican broj zarazenih plus njihovi kontakti, uglavnom clanovi porodica. Previse upiremo prstom i isticemo kao problem desavanja koja nisu toliki uzrok problema koji imamo, a uporno ignorisemo srz problema. Ne radimo stvari kako treba zbog pogresno poredanih prioriteta.Mogy87 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 12:03
Slazem se. Ali zamisli kod nas da svi pređu na rad od kuće? To je nemoguća misija. Pa bio je članak one gospođe iz Hrvatske koja radi u opštini u Švedskoj i sve radi od kuće. Zamisli naše "daj još jedan papir, nabadam tastaturu s dva prsta" šalteruše.
Ovo je OGROMNA prednost jer eliminiše jdva ključna izvora zaraze (ured i prijevoz).![]()
E sad: kad su izbori i ko glasa za koga na izborima?
Kakav odjek u javnosti bi imala informacija da državna služba za koju svi ionako znamo da slabo radi još sjedi kod kuće?
I kad smo mi išli u srž problema![]()
S mnogim "lokalnim" stvarima koje pišeš ja se apsolutno slažem. To što nam se mišljenja razilaze na globalnom nivou nema veze.
Sve što si napisao je realno, ali apsolutno se neće desiti.
Izvini, morao sam.laik1981 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:34 Rijetko pominjemo Finsku koja je prosla poprilicno dobro a samo je ove mjere uvodila u spici pandemije
Cak su im i skole radile koliko vidim za najmladje uzraste.. Ne znam jesu li im obavezne maske u zatvorenim prostorima i jesu li ih ikada zvanicno preporucivali?All schools will be closed, not including early education.
Most government-run public facilities (theatres, libraries, museums etc.) will be shut down.
Critical personnel will be exempted from the Working Hours Act and Annual Holidays Act, both in the private and public sector.
At most 10 people can participate in a public meeting, and people over the age of 70 should avoid human contact if possible.
Outsiders are forbidden from entering healthcare facilities and hospitals, excluding relatives of critically ill people and children.
The capacity of social and healthcare will be increased in the private and public sector, while less critical activity will be decreased.
Preparations for the shutdown of borders will start, and citizens or permanent residents returning to Finland will be placed under a 2-week quarantine.


Znam ja to. Oni su bas specificni po tome. Pitomi i kulturni, ali opet, s obzirom da su im radili ugostiteljski objekti i skole za mladje uzraste, te ostali biznisi koji su sirom svijeta zatvarani prosli su vise nego dobro..darius_maximus wrote: ↑04/08/2020 12:55Izvini, morao sam.laik1981 wrote: ↑04/08/2020 11:34 Rijetko pominjemo Finsku koja je prosla poprilicno dobro a samo je ove mjere uvodila u spici pandemije
Cak su im i skole radile koliko vidim za najmladje uzraste.. Ne znam jesu li im obavezne maske u zatvorenim prostorima i jesu li ih ikada zvanicno preporucivali?All schools will be closed, not including early education.
Most government-run public facilities (theatres, libraries, museums etc.) will be shut down.
Critical personnel will be exempted from the Working Hours Act and Annual Holidays Act, both in the private and public sector.
At most 10 people can participate in a public meeting, and people over the age of 70 should avoid human contact if possible.
Outsiders are forbidden from entering healthcare facilities and hospitals, excluding relatives of critically ill people and children.
The capacity of social and healthcare will be increased in the private and public sector, while less critical activity will be decreased.
Preparations for the shutdown of borders will start, and citizens or permanent residents returning to Finland will be placed under a 2-week quarantine.![]()
Finska, prije Covid-19 pandemije:
Godinama je to zajebancija online...
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Milenkov buraz wrote: ↑04/08/2020 13:48Ja sam se rodio u pogrešnoj zemlji, trebala je mati da me rodi u Finskoj.
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Pored svega toga nisu poronuli u globalnoj beskorisnoj panici

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354Various forecasts predict the Swedish economy will still shrink by about 5% this year.
That is less than other countries hit hard by Covid-19, such as Italy, Spain and the UK, but still similar to the rest of Scandinavia.
Sweden's unemployment rate of 9% remains the highest in the Nordics, up from 7.1% in March.