Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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#301 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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Grover wrote:Politika: WikiLeaks
Ne popuštajte Harisu Silajdžiću, Dodika ne demonizirajte

"Dodika ne bi trebalo demonizirati", naglasio je Madsen i pozvao međunarodnu zajednicu da bude nepopustljiva prema Harisu Silajdžiću, lideru Stranke za BiH i tadašnjem članu Predsjedništva BiH, čiji beskompromisni pristup vrlo često pogoršava odnose u BH.

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Ova Harisova novina, iz koje je gornji citat prenesen, malcice tu izvrce sadrzaj originalnog teksta u kojem pise sljedece:
Madsen acknowledged the challenges posed by RS Prime Minister Dodik, but characterized him as an ultimately
pragmatic politician, and cautioned against "demonizing" him.
The international community must be similarly firm with Presidency Member Silajdzic, whose uncompromising approaches have also exacerbated relations, Madsen argued.
http://wikileaks.org/cable/2008/10/08COPENHAGEN577.html
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#302 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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pa eto čemu služi Wikileaks - da izvrće.
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papirolog wrote:pa eto čemu služi Wikileaks - da izvrće.
Nigdje veze. Na isti nacin na koji je originalni tekst iz Wikileaks izmijenjen, moguce je izmanipulisati informaciju iz bilo kog izvora.
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#304 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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VjecitiStudent wrote:
papirolog wrote:pa eto čemu služi Wikileaks - da izvrće.
Nigdje veze. (...)
navedi jedan razlog zbog kojeg treba vjerovati Wikileaksu.
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#305 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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papirolog wrote:
VjecitiStudent wrote:
papirolog wrote:pa eto čemu služi Wikileaks - da izvrće.
Nigdje veze. (...)
navedi jedan razlog zbog kojeg treba vjerovati Wikileaksu.
Npr. zbog kolicine tacnih i preciznih detalja u tekstovima koji se odnose na nas.
Da ne spominjemo posljedice koje je objavljivanje pojedinih napravilo na drugim mjestima.
Ili to da je nekoliko novina sa obrazom, poput The Guardiana, Der Spiegela, Liberationa, ... objavljivalo, bez trunke sumnje u njihovu vjerodostojnost.

Inace, ovaj izvor ti je samo takav
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/01/03 ... ks-cables/
WMR has learned from a long-time Republican Party consultant
, a ovaj drugi uopste nije kritican prema Wikileaksu, naprotiv
http://politics.salon.com/2010/12/10/wikileaks_media/


No, u ovoj mocvari ciji glavni akteri uopste nemaju obraza, naravno da ce jedina reakcija biti, "to je izmisljotina".
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#306 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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evo malo precizniji link:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/01/23 ... ion-video/

da, podaci o našim političarima sa Wikileaksa su tačni kao da ih je skupljala CIA. a ove novine "sa obrazom" su ustvari te koje su potpisale ugovor (platile) da (prve) objavljuju leakove, s tim da lekaove prvo iscenzurišu (uklone imena itd.). inače, posljedice objavljivanja su bile u zemljama i regionima poznatim kao američki strateški ciljevi.

najzanimljive je kako traže Assangea k'o da je Bin Laden a on glatko prolazi pasoške kontrole, plaća skupe avionske karte i drži konferencije za novinare.

možda bi trebalo pogledati šta kaže John Young, pravi osnivač Wikileaksa, o Assangeu. Youngova web stranica

http://cryptome.org/

isto objavljuje opasne leakove, ali toga nema ni u Spiegelu ni u Guardianu.
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#307 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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Najsmješnije će biti kada za koju godinu izađe na vidjelo na koji način je wiki sakupljao informacije :lol:
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#308 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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hercegovac_pravi wrote:Najsmješnije će biti kada za koju godinu izađe na vidjelo na koji način je wiki sakupljao informacije :lol:

kad ono glavni im izvor informacija bio SA-X Forum :D ..samo malo postove doradjivali.. :wink:
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#309 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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Zato ja ubacujem pravopisne greske, kako bi se odali :D
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#310 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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hercegovac_pravi wrote:Najsmješnije će biti kada za koju godinu izađe na vidjelo na koji način je wiki sakupljao informacije :lol:
The U.S. military has filed 22 charges against alleged WikiLeaks source Bradley Manning. According to NBC News, Manning is facing a charge of "aiding the enemy," which can carry the death sentence.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/0 ... 30534.html
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#311 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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priča o Manningu služi da zastraši bilo koga od Amerikanaca, bilo da radi u vojsci ili administraciji, koji bi samo i pomislio da leakuje nešto. Wikileaks je PsyOp.
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#312 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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papirolog wrote:priča o Manningu služi da zastraši bilo koga od Amerikanaca, bilo da radi u vojsci ili administraciji, koji bi samo i pomislio da leakuje nešto. Wikileaks je PsyOp.
:-)
Pretpostavljam da je i naoblacenje sljedeceg petka u sklopu neke sire americke ujudurme?
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Kakvo je tvoje mišljenje o tome?
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#315 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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Toliko novih nickova na forumu, a niko nema mišljenje o ovome...
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#316 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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zagazaga wrote:
rhez wrote:Kakvo je tvoje mišljenje o tome?
rhez wrote:Toliko novih nickova na forumu, a niko nema mišljenje o ovome...
čekaju tvoje :mrgreen:
A ja njihovo. :D
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Nešto baš i ne vidim tvoje mišljenje o ovome pa bih te zamolio da prokomentarišeš te linkove koje si postavio...ja, kao novi na forumu, moram još malo da se uštelim pa dozvoli da kažem par riječi nakon tebe.
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#320 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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Nema veze, ima bar 500 novih nickova koji su se sigurno registrovali da pričaju, započet će neko...taman dok se uštelim.
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#321 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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amoninan wrote:haha, odlično!

Novija



btw. većinu onog što objavi wikileaks smatram beskorisnim, u nekim slučajevima i štetnim..."collateral murder" video na stranu, o ratnim zločinima treba izvještavati.
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#322 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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Valja opet poslušati :thumbup:



Ok, It’s almost time to end for the day
But until we meet again, a few questions remain
Is Wikileaks really the greatest threat that we face?
Or is it the response we are seeing in defense of the state?

A response which is building and seeks
To turn back the clock on freedom of speech
And fundamental rights earned over a century
This should ring alarm bells for all who know their history

From this evidence, are we neglecting our memory
And repeating the trajectory of the twentieth century?
And if so, upon seeing the facts
But ceasing to act, don’t we deserve the leaders we have?

What needs to befall before we open the door
and yell “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore!”?
Or shall we sit waiting for messiahs or aliens,
Or a super-hero, if they’re not all one and the same meme?

History, dear viewers, is happening
Will we ever get a similar chance again?
History books will be written about events this month
The story they will tell, is up to us.
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#323 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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Kraj je genijalan:

Well, I think it’s time to end this session
It seems, journalism’s become a dangerous profession
Risking ostracism extradition
To provide a clear picture of the world we live in
but without truth, history will certainly repeat
The same wars, in this time of universal deceit,Telling the truth has become a revolutionary act
So I salute those who disclose the necessary facts.
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#324 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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Je li ko od naših novinara "prešo", bar letimično ovih 869 depeša iz Sarajevske ambasade.

Ima ovde materijala kome nije mrsko čitat :)
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#325 Re: Tajne americkih diplomata procurile na WikiLeaks-u

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Ima svega, evo o "pragmatičnom" Radončiću koji i formalno ulazi u politiku da bi se zaštitio od istraga za protivzakonite poslove, koristeći politički uticaj na sudstvo... Te u potrati za saveznicima najavljuje savez sa Predsjednikom RS, Miloradom Dodikom, koji je takođe u poslovima i pod istragom radi korupcije... Dodik, takođe, Radončića vidi kao svog idealnog bošnjačkog sagovornika (sept. 2009)

(The Entree into Politics
------------------------

4. (C) In September 2009, Radoncic launched a new Bosniak
political party, the Alliance for a Better Future of BiH
(SBB-BiH) (ref B). Radoncic is almost certainly seeking
political status in order to secure protection from the
investigation of his illegal business deals by wielding
government influence over the judiciary. Moreover, now may
be a personally appealing time for Radoncic to enter
politics, as media outlets besides Avaz indicate that
Radoncic's business is struggling and that Avaz's chief rival
daily newspaper, Oslobodjenje, is rapidly catching up to Avaz
in its sales. This suggests that the pragmatic Radoncic is
entering the political scene to seek lucrative deals wherever
he can find them, rather than choosing partners based on
ideology or even ethnic affiliation. This approach would
make him an appealing ally for Republika Srpska (RS) Prime
Minister Milorad Dodik, who also dabbles in business and is
himself under investigation for corruption. Dodik therefore
may see Radoncic as his ideal Bosniak interlocutor. Indeed,
Radoncic told the DCM in January that he has met with Dodik,
as well as Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ)-BiH President
Dragan Covic -- who has been indicted for corruption and is
forging a closer relationship with Dodik (septel) -- and has
a good relationship with both men. Moreover, the fact that
Avaz has kept mostly quiet on the very issue that it could
use to galvanize the Bosniak populace ahead of the election
-- rhetoric on a referendum in the RS -- has led to
speculation that discussions on a partnership between Dodik
and Radoncic may already be underway.)

http://www.cabledrum.net/cables/10SARAJEVO133
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