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Art-Vandaley wrote:doveli ljudi regularno di stefana, koji je bio u vlasnistvu dva kluba i od jednog ga kupila barcelona a drugi puno trazio i katalonci nisu pristali i tu uletio real i kupio tu drugu polovinu ugovora. poslije su se dogovorili da di stefano nastupa mescini dvije sezone za real dvije za barcu pa je poslije real od barcelone otkupio tu drugu polovinu...

gledajuci na sportklubu barca tv jedna emisija je bila posvecena ovom transferu i sve je fino receno katalonska cerga se zajebala nije htjela dati love....

Di Stéfano's transfer to Spain would prove controversial. The mission to secure the signing of di Stéfano to Barcelona had first been given to Ramón Trias Fargas, who, besides being a lawyer and expert in commercial law, was the son of one of the share-holders of Millonarios, where di Stéfano was playing at the time. According to Trias Fargas, Barcelona's own management effectively obstructed the transfer when club president Marti Carreto also involved Barcelona chief scout Josep Samitier in the negotiations. Samitier, in his turn, brought in his Colombian friend, Joan Busquets, to speed up the talks with the Colombian club. Busquets, a director of Millonarios' rivals Santa Fé, seem to have tried more to sabotage the deal than to secure it. After issuing a harsh ultimatum to Millonarios to accept a modest offer for the player he organized di Stéfano's defection from Colombia when the ultimatum was rejected, despite Di Stéfano owing the club money. River Plate, who owned the rights of the player from 1955 onwards, had accepted the transfer on the condition that Millonarios also agreed upon the transfer, which they, after what they perceived as Busquets' bullying tactics, weren't interested in doing. Trias Fargas' negotiations with the Colombians regarding a transfer sum were also breaking down when Carreto, despite assurances to Trias Fargas that he would pay whatever price Trias Fargas thought necessary, rejected a figure whenever it was agreed between the lawyer and the Colombians. Trias Fargas blamed Carreto claiming Barcelona directors had allowed him to spend $20,000 but Carreto only accepted to offer $10,000 plus the player's debts.

In 1953, di Stéfano signed a deal with Barcelona and FIFA, who didn't know anything about di Stéfano having left Millonarios without permission, authorized the transfer from River Plate. The Spanish Federation, however, did not recognize the deal. According to Andres Ramírez, the Spanish Football Federation secretary, both Millonarios (who owned the rights of the player until the end of 1954, according to the agreements reached in the Lima Pact) and River Plate's consent were needed in order for di Stéfano to sign up with a Spanish club. Indeed Millonarios had reported FIFA the anomalous situation of the Argentinian, so FIFA iteself demanded the Spanish Federation to solve the problem. On 13 May 1953, he arrived in Spain to conclude his contract with Barcelona but during the discussions with the Federation, Real Madrid's president Santiago Bernabéu, acting upon the apparent division within the Barcelona management, convinced him to sign for them instead.

During the parallel negotiations between the two Spanish clubs and Millonarios, the Spanish Federation issued a ban on foreign players in the Spanish league. On 15 September, the Spanish Federation made public the decision, which club presidents Carreto and Bernabéu had signed, to allow di Stéfano four seasons in Spain - two for each team, to be played alternately. The agreement created such a storm of protests by the rest of the Barcelona management and the fans that Carreto resigned a week later. The interim board succeeding him opted to scratch the agreement all together for a compensation of four million pesetas, announcing on 23 October that Real Madrid could have the player permanently. In the meantime, di Stéfano had made his Madrid debut (on 23 September) and played poorly in each of his first few matches for the club. The reasons for Barcelona's decision to let the player go to Madrid are disputed by the two clubs. While Real Madrid have always maintained it was a voluntary decision by Barcelona, their rivals held that it was a decision made under pressure from Franco's government. There are also those who feel di Stéfano's poor form in his first few games led Barcelona to think they might be better off without him anyway. In July 1953 Barcelona's coach, Fernando Dancik, wrote a report expressing numerous doubts about the player's form. Kubala's health improvement also made the Barcelona directives lose the interest in the Argentine. Barcelona's decision having been announced, the two clubs met the following week - and di Stéfano scored three goals against Barcelona. This incident exacerbated the traditional enmity between the two clubs

JohnnyS wrote:

musac wrote:

Ali_G wrote:Na stranu sto Barca igra lijep fudbal, al citava filozofija popularnosti kluba se zasniva na nekom pacenistvu. Nikad mi nije bilo jasno zasto su ubrajani u najvece klubove do 2005 godine.

Pacenistvu?

Pa jest, furaju se na neku potlačenost od strane Madrida, pogotovo ih je Franco "krao". A činjenica jest da su za vrijeme 39-godišnje vladavine generalissima osvojili 8 titula (očito su bili jako potlačeni pa su 8 puta bili prvaci), a Real 14 (nije neka drastična razlika koliko se priča), pogotovo da ne govorimo da je u tom razdoblju Barca digla 9 Kupova, a Real 5. Tako da priče o tome kako je Real povlašten, a Barca jadna izrabljivana - priča za maloumne idiote. K

Fordas wrote: Da, da s tim da je Real vecinu svojih uspijeha napravio bas u tom periodu i sa pomenutim igracima... Ali dobro, zna se ko je jedini uspio osvojiti sva tri trofeja

R9.. wrote:Club Won Years won
Real Madrid 9 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1966, 1998, 2000, 2002
Milan 7 1963, 1969, 1989, 1990, 1994, 2003, 2007
Liverpool 5 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005
Bayern Munich 4 1974, 1975, 1976, 2001
Ajax 4 1971, 1972, 1973, 1995
Barcelona 3 1992, 2006, 2009
Manchester United 3 1968, 1999, 2008
Juventus 2 1985, 1996
Benfica 2 1961, 1962
Internazionale 2 1964, 1965
Porto 2 1987, 2004
Nottingham Forest 2 1979, 1980
Marseille 1 1993
Steaua Bucureşti 1 1986
Hamburg 1 1983
Celtic 1 1967
Borussia Dortmund 1 1997
Red Star Belgrade 1 1991

ja.neron wrote:

Art-Vandaley wrote:doveli ljudi regularno di stefana, koji je bio u vlasnistvu dva kluba i od jednog ga kupila barcelona a drugi puno trazio i katalonci nisu pristali i tu uletio real i kupio tu drugu polovinu ugovora. poslije su se dogovorili da di stefano nastupa mescini dvije sezone za real dvije za barcu pa je poslije real od barcelone otkupio tu drugu polovinu...

gledajuci na sportklubu barca tv jedna emisija je bila posvecena ovom transferu i sve je fino receno katalonska cerga se zajebala nije htjela dati love....

Tebe opasno prenosi jer ti je istomišljenik cikcanga/hidrant i to što kažeš niđe veze sa istinom jer je Brasa regularno dovela Di Stefana i onda se umiješao Real sa svojim navodnim ugovorom sa igračem i predsjednik nogometnog saveza Španije je predložio da jednu utakmicu igra za Barsu,a drugu za Real i Brcelona odustala od igrača.
Kubala i Di Stefano kakav bi to bio tandem da nije smutljivaca iz Madrida

Di Stéfano's transfer to Spain would prove controversial. The mission to secure the signing of di Stéfano to Barcelona had first been given to Ramón Trias Fargas, who, besides being a lawyer and expert in commercial law, was the son of one of the share-holders of Millonarios, where di Stéfano was playing at the time. According to Trias Fargas, Barcelona's own management effectively obstructed the transfer when club president Marti Carreto also involved Barcelona chief scout Josep Samitier in the negotiations. Samitier, in his turn, brought in his Colombian friend, Joan Busquets, to speed up the talks with the Colombian club. Busquets, a director of Millonarios' rivals Santa Fé, seem to have tried more to sabotage the deal than to secure it. After issuing a harsh ultimatum to Millonarios to accept a modest offer for the player he organized di Stéfano's defection from Colombia when the ultimatum was rejected, despite Di Stéfano owing the club money. River Plate, who owned the rights of the player from 1955 onwards, had accepted the transfer on the condition that Millonarios also agreed upon the transfer, which they, after what they perceived as Busquets' bullying tactics, weren't interested in doing. Trias Fargas' negotiations with the Colombians regarding a transfer sum were also breaking down when Carreto, despite assurances to Trias Fargas that he would pay whatever price Trias Fargas thought necessary, rejected a figure whenever it was agreed between the lawyer and the Colombians. Trias Fargas blamed Carreto claiming Barcelona directors had allowed him to spend $20,000 but Carreto only accepted to offer $10,000 plus the player's debts.

In 1953, di Stéfano signed a deal with Barcelona and FIFA, who didn't know anything about di Stéfano having left Millonarios without permission, authorized the transfer from River Plate. The Spanish Federation, however, did not recognize the deal. According to Andres Ramírez, the Spanish Football Federation secretary, both Millonarios (who owned the rights of the player until the end of 1954, according to the agreements reached in the Lima Pact) and River Plate's consent were needed in order for di Stéfano to sign up with a Spanish club. Indeed Millonarios had reported FIFA the anomalous situation of the Argentinian, so FIFA iteself demanded the Spanish Federation to solve the problem. On 13 May 1953, he arrived in Spain to conclude his contract with Barcelona but during the discussions with the Federation, Real Madrid's president Santiago Bernabéu, acting upon the apparent division within the Barcelona management, convinced him to sign for them instead.

During the parallel negotiations between the two Spanish clubs and Millonarios, the Spanish Federation issued a ban on foreign players in the Spanish league. On 15 September, the Spanish Federation made public the decision, which club presidents Carreto and Bernabéu had signed, to allow di Stéfano four seasons in Spain - two for each team, to be played alternately. The agreement created such a storm of protests by the rest of the Barcelona management and the fans that Carreto resigned a week later. The interim board succeeding him opted to scratch the agreement all together for a compensation of four million pesetas, announcing on 23 October that Real Madrid could have the player permanently. In the meantime, di Stéfano had made his Madrid debut (on 23 September) and played poorly in each of his first few matches for the club. The reasons for Barcelona's decision to let the player go to Madrid are disputed by the two clubs. While Real Madrid have always maintained it was a voluntary decision by Barcelona, their rivals held that it was a decision made under pressure from Franco's government. There are also those who feel di Stéfano's poor form in his first few games led Barcelona to think they might be better off without him anyway. In July 1953 Barcelona's coach, Fernando Dancik, wrote a report expressing numerous doubts about the player's form. Kubala's health improvement also made the Barcelona directives lose the interest in the Argentine. Barcelona's decision having been announced, the two clubs met the following week - and di Stéfano scored three goals against Barcelona. This incident exacerbated the traditional enmity between the two clubs

Eweleen wrote:Meni se sve više čini da ovdje navijači barselone masovno traže opravdanja za ono što će se desit iduće sezone ...

JohnnyS wrote:

Fordas wrote: Da, da s tim da je Real vecinu svojih uspijeha napravio bas u tom periodu i sa pomenutim igracima... Ali dobro, zna se ko je jedini uspio osvojiti sva tri trofeja

Pazi, Real je osvojio isto naslova i u vrijeme Franca i poslije njega, a to su vremenska razdoblja od 36 godina Francove vladavine i 34 godine poslije njegove smrti tako da ta priča ne drži vodu. Ja navijam za Dinamo i nažalost dobro znam što je to kad vladajuća garnitura nateže za jedan klub, a to je sramotno vrijeme za mene kad je "Služba za zaštitu ustavnog poretka" - dakle tajna policija, pratila suce i otkrivali im prljavi veš ako ne budu sudili za NK Croatiju. Ovdje se priča o nekoj potlačenosti Barce, a oni su uspjeli osvojiti 8 naslova prvaka i duplo više kupova. Ti mi uspjesi ne idu uz priču kako je diktator protežirao Real...

Eweleen wrote:Meni se sve više čini da ovdje navijači barselone masovno traže opravdanja za ono što će se desit iduće sezone ...

Eweleen wrote:Meni se sve više čini da ovdje navijači barselone masovno traže opravdanja za ono što će se desit iduće sezone ...

R9.. wrote:

Eweleen wrote:Meni se sve više čini da ovdje navijači barselone masovno traže opravdanja za ono što će se desit iduće sezone ...

xaxa bas to cestitke za "stajling"
vec ih vidim sledece sezone "povrijedjen ovaj, onaj imo kartone, neki cetvrti gripu imo, etc"

Plavih_11 wrote:

R9.. wrote:

Eweleen wrote:Meni se sve više čini da ovdje navijači barselone masovno traže opravdanja za ono što će se desit iduće sezone ...

xaxa bas to cestitke za "stajling"
vec ih vidim sledece sezone "povrijedjen ovaj, onaj imo kartone, neki cetvrti gripu imo, etc"

Brzo ste zaboravili ovu sezonu i onu SESTICU ..

Sta vas vise boli pa ste vec presli na najave za sljedecu sezonu, tri pehara ili skor 2:8 sa Barsom .. ? Ili i jedno i drugo ..

R9.. wrote:

Plavih_11 wrote:

R9.. wrote: xaxa bas to cestitke za "stajling"
vec ih vidim sledece sezone "povrijedjen ovaj, onaj imo kartone, neki cetvrti gripu imo, etc"

Brzo ste zaboravili ovu sezonu i onu SESTICU ..

Sta vas vise boli pa ste vec presli na najave za sljedecu sezonu, tri pehara ili skor 2:8 sa Barsom .. ? Ili i jedno i drugo ..

to je proslost a ako vec ganjas proslost onda
nam posalji citavu proslost ova dva kluba

R9.. wrote: to je proslost a ako vec ganjas proslost onda
nam posalji citavu proslost ova dva kluba

ja.neron wrote:

Eweleen wrote:Meni se sve više čini da ovdje navijači barselone masovno traže opravdanja za ono što će se desit iduće sezone ...

ma jok ja navijam za MANCHESTER UNITED

Eweleen wrote:Meni se sve više čini da ovdje navijači barselone masovno traže opravdanja za ono što će se desit iduće sezone ...

adcor wrote:

R9.. wrote: to je proslost a ako vec ganjas proslost onda
nam posalji citavu proslost ova dva kluba

jedan od dogadjaja iz proslosti je kada su svi na bernabeu aplaudirali dinhu i barci

Eweleen wrote:Sad će da psuju Kaki Cristianu Villi i Raulu pleme državu i srce mlade rode ko ih dovede na Nou Camp

Plavih_11 wrote:

Eweleen wrote:Sad će da psuju Kaki Cristianu Villi i Raulu pleme državu i srce mlade rode ko ih dovede na Nou Camp

Ja koliko znam da za Villu jos traje borba .. Real, Barcelona i Manchester su u utrci ...

R9.. wrote:Ribery tells agent: Real Madrid or nothing
16.06.09 | tribalfootball.com
Bayern Munich star Franck Ribery wants a move to Real Madrid.

Ribery is holidaying with his family in Ibiza and had a summit with his agent, Alain Migliaccio, to discuss the latest round of offers for his services.

Chelsea and Barcelona have made superior bids for the Frenchman, but both he and his wife want to move to Madrid.

"It's Madrid or nothing," was the message to Migliaccio, who informed Bayern they only had permission to negotiate his transfer with Real, despite rival offers from Chelsea and Barca.