Dozer wrote:Primjer?
Mislim da je to samo BH percepcija, i to fabrikovana. Inace na planeti ne bismo imali par hiljada naroda, nego par hiljada nacija. A nemamo ih, nego nacija imamo slovom i brojem 193, tacno onoliko koliko imamo i drzava.
Prvo, dostupna ti je wikipedija... Tamo ti piše:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation
A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history. In this definition, a nation has no physical borders. However, it can also refer to people who share a common territory and government (for example the inhabitants of a sovereign state) irrespective of their ethnic make-up.
Ove prve dvije rečenice imaju i tri reference:
1. ^ a b World Book Dictionary defines nation as “the people occupying the same country, united under the same government, and usually speaking the same language”. Another definition is that nation is a “sovereign state.” It also says nation can refer to “a people, race, or tribe; those having the same descent, language, and history.” World Book Dictionary also gives this definition: “a tribe of North American Indians.” Webster’s New Encyclopedic Dictionary defines nation as “a community of people composed of one or more nationalities with its own territory and government” and also as “a tribe or federation of tribes (as of American Indians)”.
2. ^ "Nation". Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged (11th ed.). Retrieved 31 August 2012. "1. an aggregation of people or peoples of one or more cultures, races, etc, organized into a single state: the Australian nation"
3. ^ Bretton, Henry L. (1986). International relations in the nuclear age: one world, difficult to manage. Albany: State University of New York Press. p. 5. ISBN 0-88706-040-4. Retrieved 17 June 2011. "It should be stated at the outset that the term nation has two distinctly different uses. In a legal sense it is synonymous with the state as a whole regardless of the number of different ethnic or national groups–nationalities–contained within it. In that sense, one speaks of nation and means state."
No, međutim, ako ti kažeš da wikipedia nije relevantan izvor, evo nešto relevantnije... Oxfordov riječnik geografije, to međutim nema na internetu, al evo prepisaću doslovno... str. 340
Susan Mayhew, Oxford Dictonary of Geography, Fourth Edition, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 2009, str. 340
nation 'Governable space' (Watts (2004) TIBG 29). The ethnic or cultural nation has ethnicity as the basis of membership, with culture as a key cohesive element. The cultural interpretation regards 'nation' as something organic, evolving on the basis of an aesthetic, primordial community, whereby ethnic group solidarity is based on ties passed down from the past, and hence the modern nation may be related to historical ethnicity. Culture and language are crucial cohesive elements of this community. In contrast, the territorial or civic nation has territory as the basis of membership and citizenship as the cohesive force (Robinson et al. (2001) Pol. Geog. 20, 8 ). Mavroudi (2007) Glob. Netwks 7, 4 shows that the nation is not a 'given' entity; see Uimonen (2003) Glob. Netwks 3, 3. Although many *multinational states exist, E. Gellner (1983) argues that a mismatch between national and political units engenders national movements; see Sekulic (1997) Nats & National. 3, 2. L. Kong and B. Yeoh (2003) hold that, in post-independence Singapore, the creation of a fixed nazional identity has denied the population's innate hybridity; see also Shua in J. S. Khan, ed. (1998).
Dakle, uzeo sam isključivo strane izvore, jer sam i ja vrlo skeptičan oko domaćih... Iz ovoga što sam naveo nedvosmisleno stoji da postoji više vrsta nacije, odnosno nacionalnosti... Sad, da li mi ti možeš navesti jedan relevantan izvor koji govori da nacija može isključivo biti država i ništa drugo?
. Usput, sretno s tom "akcijom" 
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ali ono sto kod nas ljude cini "nacionalno" srbima ili hrvatima je u stvari etnicka pripadnost. dakle problem je samo u terminologiji. nadam se da nisam previse konfuzan bio 