Standard, Miskovic im prodao svoj plac sredinom prosle godinelast mohicans wrote: ↑15/03/2026 04:34To iza Hece gdje bila Zora? Ici ce tu svašta nešto, stanovi, trzni centar...tramvajtrojka wrote: ↑10/03/2026 21:48e to iskreno ne znam, znam samo da burazeri iz sport visiona i onaj njihov sarajevski haver gledaju sta ce i kako ce sa standardom na stupu nakon sto zavrse retail park u istočnom
Isto tako Bingo u potpunosti je zatvorio citav gornji sprat u Merkuru na otoci izbacio sve radnje i sve rusi gore i renovira sta ce ubaciti to cemo tek vidjeti![]()
Sarajevo Construction
- tramvajtrojka
- Posts: 16859
- Joined: 27/04/2021 22:52
#29351 Re: Sarajevo Construction
-
made_in_sarajevo
- Posts: 6906
- Joined: 06/05/2013 23:05
#29352 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Decathlon bi bio pun pogodak kod nas. Jebote kod nas uzmes loptu u ruke blijedo te gledaju. Tamo igraju na male, onaj vatru zapali kod satora da vidi jel dobro, onaj sjeo i razgleda, onaj spava, oni biciklo vozaju i niko ti A ne kaze, cak sta vise blijedo te gledaju ako neces probati to sto mislis kupiti.
Mislim da je sljedeci i to jako brzo projekat kod wise i standard tamo. Moguce i ovaj shoping centar da nije kod wise-standard lokacija jer tu ide i Benis sa bruku stanova
Mislim da je sljedeci i to jako brzo projekat kod wise i standard tamo. Moguce i ovaj shoping centar da nije kod wise-standard lokacija jer tu ide i Benis sa bruku stanova
- VladaFBiH
- Posts: 6507
- Joined: 01/02/2012 12:32
- Location: rajvoSa
#29353 Re: Sarajevo Construction
I dalje kupujem kod njih, međutim primjetno je da više nisu toliko povoljni kao što su nekada bili. Istina je da je njihova robna marka i dalje u pravilu jeftinija od većine brendova, ali se danas brendirani proizvodi često mogu pronaći na akcijama po istoj cijeni, pa čak i jeftinije od njihove robne marke.Thorgerson wrote: ↑14/03/2026 23:42Ok, ali opet kod nas stucne ne mozes naci ispod 20 KM. Ja djetetu kupovao, te su cijene.VladaFBiH wrote: ↑11/03/2026 10:58i nije, redovno sam tamo i ovdje možeš kupiti jeftinije brendiranu robu ako pratiš sniženja nego njihovu robnu marku. Istina, imaju odličan izbor ali da su jeftini - više nisu.
Do prije korone bih se složio s tobom ali više ne jer npr. štucne za fudbal sam plaćao oko 5KM pred koronu a sada su 5,5€ - osjetno su poskupili.
Decathlon, u tom smislu, itekako je povoljan. Oprema za ljetovanje, zimovanje, skijanje - sve ne 50 do 60% jeftinije nego Interport. Ok, drugi su brendovi. Ali jbg ako meni neka stvar treba 1 godisnje, jel moram fkt uzimati najskuplji moguci brend. A kod nas nemas izbora. Za neke stvari imas samo intersport i to je to. A tamo zara cijene.
Primjer za to je sportska oprema – npr. kopačke. Brendovi poput Nike i Adidas u Bosni i Hercegovini se nerijetko mogu naći na akciji ili u outletima po cijeni koja je niža od njihove robne marke.
Što se tiče potreba koje si spomenuo, i sam imam sličan pristup kupovini – za stvari koje ne koristim često najčešće biram opciju koja je najpovoljnija, ali da pritom i dalje nudi prihvatljiv nivo kvaliteta.
I da, bilo bi mi drago kada bi došli kod nas
- VladaFBiH
- Posts: 6507
- Joined: 01/02/2012 12:32
- Location: rajvoSa
#29354 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Kupujem kod njih godinama – praktično još od otvaranja u Hrvatskoj, a znao sam svratiti i ranije kada bih negdje putovao. Međutim, činjenica je da danas više nisu toliko povoljni kao što su bili ranije, iako su i dalje među povoljnijim opcijama.nepass1 wrote: ↑13/03/2026 16:34Ja ganjam stvari za trcanje i jbg dosta su jeftiniji od intersporta i sportvisiona.VladaFBiH wrote: ↑11/03/2026 10:58i nije, redovno sam tamo i ovdje možeš kupiti jeftinije brendiranu robu ako pratiš sniženja nego njihovu robnu marku. Istina, imaju odličan izbor ali da su jeftini - više nisu.
Do prije korone bih se složio s tobom ali više ne jer npr. štucne za fudbal sam plaćao oko 5KM pred koronu a sada su 5,5€ - osjetno su poskupili.
Npr potkosulje ili sorcevi za trcanje su kod njih 7e do 10e suskavac ili za zimu bluze budu oko 19-20e
Sorc u intersportu 60km, potkosulja 40km, suskavci i to 60-10km
Ja kupim kalenji marku i fakat je dobra, peri deri, po 3-4g traju stvari. Jes da je vamo nike ili nesta slicno ali najlon jedno najlon drugo.
Bukvalno od glave do pete zima i ljeto u decathlonu neces potrositi vise od 100e ako izostavimo patike. U intersportu sorc i helanke i tu si blizu 200km
U posljednje 2–3 godine u Bosni i Hercegovini se često dešava da se na akcijama ili u outletima mogu pronaći brendirani proizvodi koji su čak jeftiniji od njihove robne marke. Ipak, treba reći da su izbor i odnos cijene i kvaliteta kod njihove privatne robne marke i dalje vrlo dobri, što im i dalje daje određenu prednost u tom segmentu tako da se ne bih bunio kada bi došli i kod nas
-
last mohicans
- Posts: 17552
- Joined: 09/08/2012 23:19
#29355 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Koji outleti, Bog vam, nije valjda ona prevara na Stupu. Ne znam kako ih nije stid ono nazivati outletom, a cijene uvijek visoke ili iste kao i kod ostalih manjih radnji. Ono sto sam ja primjetio, da je samo SR uvijek nalazio jeftinije stvari u odnosu na SV, a posebno Intersport. A vlasnik SR i SV je isti, jel? Pa ono je pljačka, najobičnija, mislim na outlet na Stupu i Intersport. U coroni kupim neku trenerku u IS, raspala se sama od sebe za par mjeseci, samo rupe se počele pojavljivati i rasparani šavovi, tako da od tada kod njih nista nisam kupio. Lazem, jesam djeci neke stapove i kacige na kraju sezons, a tad su svugdje akcije. Kad su trenerke u pitanju, waikiki po 5 godina mi budu. Uzimao sam declathon u Turskoj i Splitu, odličan kvalitet za cjenovni rang. Ne znam ni kad sam uzeo jednu trening majicu, jos je imam.
-
neki
- Posts: 7843
- Joined: 17/02/2005 07:57
#29356 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Neki baš nemaju šta raditi nedjeljom...
- nepass1
- Posts: 14396
- Joined: 06/07/2017 07:35
#29357 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Ma moze se naletiti ali to budu patike za trcanje br 39, suskavac muski s broj i tako tolast mohicans wrote: ↑15/03/2026 13:15 Koji outleti, Bog vam, nije valjda ona prevara na Stupu. Ne znam kako ih nije stid ono nazivati outletom, a cijene uvijek visoke ili iste kao i kod ostalih manjih radnji. Ono sto sam ja primjetio, da je samo SR uvijek nalazio jeftinije stvari u odnosu na SV, a posebno Intersport. A vlasnik SR i SV je isti, jel? Pa ono je pljačka, najobičnija, mislim na outlet na Stupu i Intersport. U coroni kupim neku trenerku u IS, raspala se sama od sebe za par mjeseci, samo rupe se počele pojavljivati i rasparani šavovi, tako da od tada kod njih nista nisam kupio. Lazem, jesam djeci neke stapove i kacige na kraju sezons, a tad su svugdje akcije. Kad su trenerke u pitanju, waikiki po 5 godina mi budu. Uzimao sam declathon u Turskoj i Splitu, odličan kvalitet za cjenovni rang. Ne znam ni kad sam uzeo jednu trening majicu, jos je imam.
Jednom su me potrefile patike na stupu da je bio moj br i da su bile 70% snizene, ali opet su to patike za trcanje koje gleda 1% naroda
- iClass
- Posts: 900
- Joined: 18/06/2023 06:33
#29358 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Evo dao sam AI sa ogromnim kontekstom da analizira posljednih 19k odgovora na ovoj temi (nije mogao vidjeti fotke i video ali je analizirao sve odgovore, isto tako cesto su forumasi lijepili promotivne clanke tako da je i to uzimao u kontekst):
IDEALAN STAN U SARAJEVU (Na osnovu analize forumskih poruka)
LOKACIJA Najbolje naselje: Džidžikovac, Višnjik i Mejtaš
. Najbolja mikrolokacija/ulica: Crni Vrh (često spominjan kao "Top One" lokacija)
i Ljubljanska (Novo Sarajevo)
. Zašto: Ova naselja se smatraju prestižnim zbog mira, blizine centra grada i gospodske atmosfere
. Lokacije poput Breke su izuzetno cijenjene zbog najboljeg kvaliteta zraka iznad linije smoga
.
VELIČINA Za jednu osobu / par: 40 m² – 55 m² (najčešće spominjan raspon za dvosoban stan u novogradnji)
. Za porodicu: 70 m² – 82 m² (standard za trosoban ili komforan dvoiposoban stan)
. Idealan broj soba: Trosoban stan (za porodicu) ili stan gdje se u sve prostorije ulazi iz hodnika
.
KARAKTERISTIKE Sprat: 3. ili 4. sprat u zgradi do 5 spratova
. Podijeljeno mišljenje: visoki spratovi se cijene zbog pogleda, ali zadnji spratovi nose rizik od vrućine i loših krovova
. Grijanje: Etažno plinsko grijanje (vlastita kontrola)
. Spominje se i podno grijanje u luksuznim stanovima
. Parking: Kritično bitan; idealno je posjedovati vlastito garažno mjesto u zgradi povezano liftom
. Obavezno mora imati: Garažu, balkon ili lođu, funkcionalan raspored (bez prolaznih soba)
. Poželjno: Zvučna izolacija, video nadzor, blizina zelenila i škola
.
GRADNJA Novogradnja ili stara gradnja: Podijeljeno mišljenje. Stara gradnja (70-te i 80-te) se cijeni zbog urbanizma i debljih zidova
, dok novogradnja nudi moderan komfor i garaže, ali se kritikuje zbog "fušeraja"
. Preporučeni investitori: Sarajevo Waves (arapski investitor) se hvali zbog poštovanja standarda
, dok se za Butmir i Unigradnju navodi da su stabilne firme
. Izbjegavati: Investitore tipa Tibra (povezuje se sa "urbicidom") i projekte sa neriješenim papirima (spominjan Smart Invest/Sarajevo Tower)
.
CIJENA Fer cijena po m²: 2.500 – 3.000 KM (često spominjana kao realna cijena koju obični ljudi mogu podnijeti)
. Ukupna cijena idealnog stana: 200.000 – 350.000 KM (raspon za pristojan porodični stan na solidnoj lokaciji)
. Ekskluziva ide i do 10.000 KM/m²
.
TOP 5 NASELJA KOJA TREBA IZBJEGAVATI
Stup (Tibra/Izvor) — Pregusta gradnja, nedostatak škola, parkova i stalne gužve
.
Buća Potok i Boljakov Potok — Kritikovani kao "favele" zbog neplanske gradnje na klizištima i lošeg zraka zimi
.
Alipašino Polje — Problemi sa održavanjem haustora, socijalni sastav i zapuštenost
.
Marijin Dvor (stara jezgra) — Buka, nedostatak parkinga i zgrade sa dotrajalim instalacijama (smrad kanalizacije u podrumima)
.
Heco Pijaca i okolina — Urbano ruglo, nedostatak ikakvog reda i vizuelno zagađenje
.
NASELJA U USPONU (pametna kupovina)
Otes (Sarajevo Waves) — Pohvaljeno kao primjer kako naselje treba izgledati
.
Istocno Sarajevo (Lukavica) — Često spominjano kao opcija sa boljim urbanizmom, više parkinga i širom infrastrukturom
.
Hrasno (potez oko OŠ Hrasno) — Smatra se idealno zaokruženim naseljem za porodice
.
TOP 5 UPOZORENJA ZA KUPCE
Zvučna izolacija: Provjerite jesu li pregradni zidovi od rigipsa; mnogi se žale da čuju komšijin TV
.
Vlaga: Brza gradnja često uzrokuje vlagu u novim stanovima (primjer Benisa na Stupu)
.
Vlasnički dokumenti: Obavezno provjeriti uknjižbu i etažiranje (posebno kod SA Tower-a)
.
Regulacioni plan (RP): Ne vjerujte renderima; prazna livada danas može biti neboder pod vašim prozorom sutra
.
Upravitelji i održavanje: U starim zgradama provjerite plaćaju li komšije održavanje, jer haustori često propadaju zbog neplaćanja
.
POUZDANOST ANALIZE: Visoka
NAPOMENE: Analiza jasno pokazuje ekstremnu polarizaciju između ljubitelja stare i nove gradnje. Često spominjan termin je "urbicid", a konsenzus postoji oko toga da Sarajevo vapi za širinom i parkovima umjesto nabacanih lamela
. Podaci o investitorima su subjektivni, zasnovani na ličnim iskustvima forumaša.
- dječak sa šibicama
- Posts: 50297
- Joined: 29/06/2011 23:39
#29359 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Sve to drze isti ljudi, sarajevski gazda i ovi iz Bijeljine a svi skupa su u vezi sa Miskovicem. Njegov je makar pocetni kapital.
Drzali su oni i kafice po gradu, svasta nesto se tu obrce okrece, i otkup dugovanja, propalih firmi itd.
Preskupi su, u svakom slucaju.
Drzali su oni i kafice po gradu, svasta nesto se tu obrce okrece, i otkup dugovanja, propalih firmi itd.
Preskupi su, u svakom slucaju.
- iClass
- Posts: 900
- Joined: 18/06/2023 06:33
#29360 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Evo jos jedan odgovor od drugog AI, malo je duzi pa cu ga u spoiler a i na engleskom je.
Ovo je bas detaljna analiza posljednih 19k postova sa ove teme. Interesantno za citati, mislim sve smo ovo vec znali.
Ali ovo treba da procita svako ko se pocinje interesovati za kupovinu stana u Sarajevu.
Spoiler
Show
SARAJEVO APARTMENT MARKET ANALYSIS
Based on ~19,000 Forum Posts (2019–2024)
1. IDEAL LOCATION — Top 5 Neighborhoods by Positive Sentiment
1. GRBAVICA (~30+ posts across all files)
The most consistently recommended neighborhood across all years. Praised for: established infrastructure, proximity to Miljacka river, green belt, Skenderija nearby, good public transport (tram), walkability. klix average transaction price Aug–Sep 2024: ~4,000 KM/m² (range 2,100–6,500 per katastar.ba). Best for pre-1980s Yugoslav-era stock — "samo da je zgrada barem sredina 70tih." Paired frequently with Hrasno as a reliable mid-city choice. Only consistent complaint: parking scarcity.
Key micro-locations: Buildings from mid-1970s preferred; Grbavica II near Aleja Lipa; avoid proximity to stadium (Blue Residence site criticized for being squeezed between Željezničar stadium and sports hall).
2. OTOKA (~25+ posts)
Strong positive sentiment especially for families. Praised for: bolnica (hospital), pijaca (market), vrtić (kindergarten), škola (school), tramvaj, trolejbus, park, teretana (gym), bazen (pool), shopping centar. "Otoka je sad poprilicno dobar kraj za stanovanje. Ja sam jako zadovoljan i ne bih se odavde vise selio." Residents successfully blocked unwanted development (petrol station, mosque on green space). The "Teheranke" (green buildings) sell within 40 minutes of listing — extreme demand from diaspora.
Caveat: "Otoka je neka donja granica za normalan plućni život" — sits at the fog/smog boundary; fog lifts by noon. Distinguish OLD Otoka (positive) from NOVA Otoka (negative — see section 2).
3. CIGLANE (~15 posts)
"Još uvijek neki od najljepših stanova u Sarajevu." Praised for: two modern kosi lifta (inclined elevators), Merhemića trg, nearby park, walkable ground-floor amenities (apoteka, kafić, fitnes, pekara, banka). Clean air at upper elevations. Donje Ciglane 100m² described as "top lokacija."
Caveat: Divided opinion — hillside units ("u strani") suffer from vlaga (damp) and can smell of mold. Parking is a nightmare. Maintenance neglected by many tenants. Historically built on a landslide zone. Best units are upper/middle Ciglane, not hillside-facing.
4. MARIJIN DVOR / CENTAR (~25 posts)
Recognized as the CBD and premium administrative zone. Vilsonovo šetalište dramatically improved — "from drug zone to family-friendly promenade." Upcoming Kvadrant C pedestrianization, WTC Sarajevo, underground parking all signal continued improvement. IRIS renovation and Hotel Zagreb completion ended decades of decay. "Zatvaranje ove priče na relaciji Pofalići–MD uz Vilsonovo sa WTC, saudijskom ambasadom, Ars Aevi… čini ovaj prostor vrhunskim."
Key micro-locations: Vilsonovo šetalište corridor; near Skenderija; Čobanija development praised.
5. DOBRINJA (~15 posts, improving trend)
Praised as a model of planned socialist-era development: "ima i širinu i nema pretjeranu spratnost." Better value than central locations — prices approaching 2,000–2,100 KM/m² (2020 data). "Uvijek bih prije kupio stan na Dobrinji nego u Tibri, Miljackoj ili ovoj Novoj Otoci." Well-connected by tram, functional neighbourhood infrastructure.
Caveat: 10km from center; parking chaos in war-damaged garages; some aesthetic decline. Sentiment divided — see section 2.
Honorable mentions: Breka/Koševo/Jezero (best air quality among hillside settlements, ~4 posts); Hrasno (reliable, paired with Grbavica, ~7 posts); Čengić Vila I (established, civic-minded residents, ~5 posts).
2. LOCATIONS TO AVOID — Bottom 5 by Negative Sentiment
1. STUP / TIBRA COMPLEX (~60+ posts — highest negative volume across all files)
The single most criticized location in the entire dataset. Recurring complaints:
Buildings crammed with no spacing: "imaš osjećaj kao onim filmovima koji se prikazuju iz sirotinjskih četvrti po azijskim gradovima"
No school (nearest: OŠ Aleksa Šantić in Nedžarići, ~1km)
No park, no green space: "naredali zgrada, posadili 10-ak drveća. Nigdje parka. Zelenila. Ništa. Sami beton"
Roads only 50cm pavements; 2+2 lanes impossible despite 15,000 residents
Illegal floor additions (9th floor documented, court case)
"Tibra spavaonica" (sleep-box complex) as standard dismissal
2. NOVA OTOKA / MILJACKA PROJECT (~20+ posts)
"Otoka ne, ne svidja mi se i preskupo je za ono sto se nudi." Fasada peeling, water infiltration, thin walls, moisture. Legally disputed by Anti-Corruption Office. Built under corrupt regulatory changes. Distinguished from OLD Otoka (which is praised). Miljacka project named in "top 3 worst" alongside SA Tower and Tibra Stup.
3. SARAJEVO TOWER / DOLAC MALTA AREA (~20+ posts)
"Incident u prostoru" per city planning office. 26 floors, 494 apartments — impossible stambena zajednica coordination predicted. Built via irregular korekcija plana 2014. Blocks wind corridor ("pravi nepopravljivu štetu cijelom gradu"). Sub-contractor payment scandals. Already showing social decline: "grafiti, prljavo, upišano, smeće — to je već alipašino postalo."
4. POFALIĆI (~15 posts)
Called "Pofavelići" (portmanteau of Pofalići + favela). New 15-floor development on former mljekara (dairy) site: "ispred pruga, pogled na ruševine kasarne i tehnički pregled, iza favele, mrkli mrak naveče, nema širine, parka, gradskog prevoza." Green City garage exit directly onto 2+1 underpass road — "van svake pameti." Kružni tok (roundabout) universally criticized as chaotic.
5. ALIPAŠINO POLJE (~15 posts)
Aging communist blocks with no underground parking. Air quality problems. Trees being cut for paid parking (Lokom firm). "Za 10 godina alipašino postalo, grafiti, prljavo, upišano, smeće, javašluk." Načelnik Efendić systematically converting green surfaces to revenue-generating parking.
Divided opinion areas:
Ilidža: Praised by those who value flat terrain and space ("širina"); criticized for heavy fog until 2 PM, načelnik corruption enabling Tibra, Arab overscaled projects. Sentiment ~50/50.
Trebević slopes: Romantic views but engineer Babić warns entire zone should not have been built; landslide risk; illegal construction; car-dependent; winter road ices over. Luxury segment (Park Residence, Roof Gardens) praised for design but questioned for livability.
Dobrinja: Praised as planned settlement with good proportions; criticized for distance from center (10km), kerozin storage facility, war-damaged garages. ~60% positive / 40% negative.
3. IDEAL APARTMENT SIZE
Based on explicit size discussions across ~50+ posts:
Household Type Ideal Size Evidence
Single person 40–50 m² Jednoiposoban (1.5-room); "nas troje živimo u 40 kvadrata" cited as extremely cramped; 30m² proposed as tax-exempt minimum for singles
Couple 50–65 m² Dvosoban (2-room); most frequently cited purchase target for subvencija applicants
Family (3-4 persons) 75–90 m² "Idealan trosoban" (ideal 3-room); 70m² for 4-person family described as normal; 80m² cited as "realna kvadratura za porodicu"
Comfortable family 90–120 m² Upper range for second purchases and upgrades
Sweet spot: ~70–80 m² — balances comfort for a family with achievability via mortgage. The forum community's proposed tax-exempt formula (30m² + 15m² per additional person, +10m² per child) implies 60m² for a couple and 70m² for a family of three as baseline minimums.
Consensus: "Kvadratura nije problem, problem je cijena" — size itself is less debated than price-per-m².
4. IDEAL APARTMENT CHARACTERISTICS
Floor (sprat)
Preferred: 3rd–5th floor (~15 posts)
Higher floors preferred for: view, air quality (above smog layer in winter), more light, less noise from ground-floor shops, less moisture
"Peti sprat izabrao" — one buyer specifically chose 5th floor for quiet (diaspora neighbor only visits summers)
Ground floor: moisture from basement, noise from prizemlje commercial spaces
Top floor: roof leak risk
Penthouse: aspirational but beyond average buyer's reach
Rooms (sobnost)
Most desired: trosoban (3-room) — ~20 posts
Dvosoban (2-room, ~50-65m²) for couples/first-time buyers
Trosoban (3-room, ~70-90m²) for families — described as the standard target
Garsonjera (studio, ~25-35m²) explicitly flagged as speculation/investment, not for living
Heating (grijanje)
Strongly preferred: toplana / daljinsko grijanje (district heating) — ~25 posts
"Zgrada na toplanama pored javnog prevoza" = ideal formula
Second: plin/gas (etažno grijanje)
Avoid: buildings using lož ulje/mazut (heating oil) disguised as gas; kućna ložišta (solid fuel stoves) = smog source
Critical warning: central heating without individual kalorimetri (heat meters) = no control over costs; residents open windows even in winter
Parking
Critical — most discussed single feature (~40+ posts)
Universal complaint across all neighborhoods
Underground garaža (garage) strongly preferred; 1:1 ratio (apartment:parking) praised when offered (Novo Mojmilo)
Garage space purchase price: 25,000–70,000 KM depending on location
Monthly rental: 55–80 KM
In Grbavica, Ciglane, Centar: "bez auta invalid" without parking — absolute must-have
Elevator (lift)
Moderately important (~8 posts). Assumed present in novogradnja. Source of conflict in older buildings (lower-floor residents refuse to pay). Kosi lift (inclined elevator) at Ciglane praised as unique amenity.
Balcony/terrace
Important but secondary (~10 posts). "U Sarajevu moraš ustakliti balkon da bi mogao da ga koristiš veći dio godine" — climate requires glazing. South-facing orientation implied as preferred. Penthouse terraces at premium projects praised.
Zvučna izolacija (sound insulation)
Critical differentiator (~10 posts). Yugoslav-era construction praised for thick concrete walls "ko u muzičkom studiju." Modern novogradnja universally slammed for thin walls — tanki zidovi is one of the most repeated complaints.
Storage (ostava/podrum)
Not frequently discussed as a deciding factor (<5 posts).
Summary — Must-haves vs. Nice-to-haves:
Must-haves: Parking/garaža, toplana heating, 3rd+ floor, thick walls/good sound insulation
Nice-to-haves: Glazed balcony (south-facing), elevator, storage, views
5. NOVOGRADNJA vs. STAROGRADNJA
Overall Sentiment: RENOVATED STAROGRADNJA WINS (~50+ posts)
"Starogradnja na dobroj lokaciji + renovacija je po meni najisplativija varijanta" — this is the dominant forum position.
Why starogradnja is preferred:
Yugoslav-era (1960s-80s) construction structurally superior: thick concrete walls, better sound insulation
Better locations (built when land was publicly allocated, not profit-maximized)
Renovation cost: ~500-700 KM/m² (2014-2020 benchmark) for full gut renovation
Known quantity — what you see is what you get
Why novogradnja is criticized:
Construction cost ~500 KM/m², sold at 2,500-5,000+ KM/m² — margins seen as exploitative
"Najjeftinija pločica, najjeftinija stolarija, najjeftiniji laminat" — cheapest materials throughout
Vlaga (damp), tanki zidovi (thin walls), loša izolacija (poor insulation) — universal novogradnja complaints
Renders never match reality: "Dijamant ispao možda 50% onako kako je nacrtan"
Spacing between buildings: "90% novih objekata bukvalno jedno uz drugo, moraš kičmu slomiti da bi vidio nebo"
Counter-argument (minority view, ~10 posts): New buildings have working stambena zajednica when all owners have mortgages; fresh installations; no accumulated maintenance debt.
Developers — Praised:
Developer/Project Why Praised
Skender Brick (Skenderija area) "Ne znam da je iko loše nešto rekao" — near-universal praise
Sarajevo Waves (Otes/Ilidža) Praised for design, green surroundings, only post-war project without controversy
River Walk (Ilidža) "Sve što je Dijamant trebao biti... a nije" — praised as quality template
Čobanija SPO (Trust-invest) Preserves old facade; praised interpolation
Bulevar/Avenija (older section) "Olicenje arhitekture" — benchmark for quality
Butmir / Unigradnja Named as trusted "provjereni investitor" for pre-sales
Vila Mak Praised for hiding AC units, quality facade
Developers — Criticized:
Developer/Project Why Criticized
Tibra / Bulevar d.o.o. (Tihomir Brajković) Most criticized by far (~60+ posts). Illegal floors, tax evasion conviction, bribery admissions, "favela" quality. Now rebranding from "Tibra" to "Bulevar"
Džekos (Dijamant, Ljubljanska 10) Delivers 50% of what renders show; "ove rendere treba potpuno ignorisati"
SMART INVEST d.o.o. 2,000 KM registered capital; subcontractor payment disputes
Sarajevo Tower developer Sub-contractor payment scandal; 494-unit management nightmare
Kol d.o.o. (Turkish investor) Abandoned construction pit flooding neighbors
6. PRICING & VALUE
Price per m² by Area (synthesized from all files, 2020-2024 trajectory):
Area ~2020 Price (KM/m²) ~2024 Price (KM/m²) Sentiment
Donje Ciglane — 5,000–7,000 Premium, accepted
Marijin Dvor premium — 5,000–7,000+ Premium, accepted
Kovačići — 5,000+ High demand
Grbavica (klix avg) ~3,000 ~4,000 Fair for quality
Malta/Dolac Malta — ~4,400 Benchmark central
Otoka (starogradnja) 2,000+ 3,500–4,500 Good value
Centar (older buildings) ~3,000 3,500–5,000 Depends on condition
River Walk (Ilidža) 3,300 — Premium novogradnja
Queens Residence — 5,100 Questioned for location
Korea/Lozionička (P+23) — ~7,000 (est.) Top new-build tier
Park Residence (Crni Vrh) — 7,000–10,000 Ultra-luxury
Dobrinja 2,000–2,100 2,500–3,500 Best value
Tibra/Stup 1,600–2,500 3,500–4,500 Overpriced for quality
Nova Otoka ~2,500 3,500–4,000 Overpriced
Pofalići (new) — 6,000–8,000 (claimed) Wildly overpriced
Halilovići "Avenija" ~2,500 — Overpriced for location
What's Considered Fair:
Pre-2021: 2,000–2,500 KM/m² was achievable and reasonable. "Stisno sam supak" — one buyer who bought at this level considers it the last affordable moment.
Current reality: "Predjena je linija kad je bilo moguće kreditnim zaduženjem doći do 50 kvadrata" — the line has been crossed where credit can get you 50m².
Renovation strategy: Buy starogradnja at 2,000-3,000 KM/m² + renovate at 500-700 KM/m² = effective 2,500-3,700 KM/m² for superior product. This is the forum's consensus "smart money" approach.
Overpriced:
Anything Tibra-branded above 3,000 KM/m²
Pofalići novogradnja at 6,000-8,000 KM/m²
Queens Residence at 5,100 KM/m² — "očajan komšiluk" (awful neighbourhood)
Park Residence 8,000-10,000 KM/m² — quality product but criminal ownership origin
Good Value:
Dobrinja starogradnja at 2,500-3,000 KM/m²
Grbavica 1970s stock at 3,000-4,000 KM/m² + renovation
Ilidža flat areas for those with cars
Fair Total for "Ideal" Apartment:
70-80m² trosoban in Grbavica/Otoka: 280,000–360,000 KM (at 4,000-4,500 KM/m²)
With renovation of starogradnja: 200,000–280,000 KM (purchase + renovation)
Subvencija max: 220,000 KM — limiting practical first-buyer budget
7. INFRASTRUCTURE & DAILY LIFE
Best for Public Transport:
Otoka, Grbavica, Marijin Dvor, Čengić Vila — all on tram/trolejbus lines. Monthly radnička karta (worker pass): 53 KM. Alipašin Most train station described as "transformational" — 10 minutes to center.
Best for Walkability:
Marijin Dvor / Vilsonovo šetalište — one buyer: "Alta i SCC 10 minuta hoda, Skenderija 15, jedna bolnica 10 minuta — ne treba auto ni za šta 'po gradu'. To je za mene luksuz."
Best for Schools/Family:
Otoka — hospital, kindergarten, school, pool all accessible. Most frequently cited family-friendly area.
Dobrinja — planned with all services, though some now aging.
Best for Green Spaces/Nature:
Trebević corridor — cable car "medu najmodernijim u Evropi," hiking, hotel development. Best access from Ciglane/upper Centar.
Breka/Koševo/Jezero — "top za air quality; treba hodat uzbrdo"
Worst for Traffic:
Stup — "Ako živiš na Stupu a radiš na Vratniku, ne gine ti vozarenje po dva sata dnevno ko da si u Njujorku."
Pofalići — kružni tok universally avoided.
I Transverzala corridor — chronic bottleneck, years of construction.
Most Family-Friendly:
Otoka (facilities), Dobrinja (planned layout), Grbavica (established, walkable).
8. DEALBREAKERS & RED FLAGS — Top 10 Buyer Warnings
Renderi su laž / Renders are lies (~20+ posts): "Dijamant ispao možda 50% onako kako je nacrtan." NEVER buy based on renders alone. Always inspect comparable completed buildings by the same developer.
You are not an owner until etažiranje (~15+ posts): Until title registration is complete, you're a "udružioc sredstava" (fund-pooler). If developer goes bankrupt, the bank holds blanket mortgage — buyers face years of court battles. Pre-buy ONLY from proven developers (Butmir, Unigradnja).
Tibra/Bulevar = red flag brand (~60+ posts): Now rebranding from "Tibra" to "Bulevar" to escape reputation. Same owner (Tihomir Brajković), same practices. Tax evasion conviction, illegal floors, bribery on record.
Check for RP (regulacioni plan) changes (~15+ posts): "Kupis ti ove godine... za 2 godine ti počnu kopati temelje nove zgrade pod prozorom." Regulatory plans change based on power and connections. Your view/sunlight/quiet can vanish overnight with no legal protection.
Novogradnja quality epidemic (~25+ posts): Vlaga (damp), tanki zidovi (thin walls), loša izolacija (poor insulation) — reported across ALL new construction brands (Stup, Lukavica, Dobrinja, Otoka). Ask to visit a 3+ year old completed building by the same developer.
Central heating without kalorimetri (~10+ posts): No individual meters = no control over costs. Neighbors open windows in winter. Either insist on individual metering or budget for switching to heat pump.
Money laundering in construction (~10+ posts): "Stanogradnja u Sarajevu je odavno ogledni primjer pranja para od kriminala." ~35% of purchases are investment/non-resident. Inflated prices may not reflect real demand.
Check stambena zajednica debt (~8+ posts): One buyer discovered 18,000 KM heating debt on a flat. Always check building's collective debt to Toplane and maintenance fund status before purchase.
Parking sold separately (~10+ posts): Law requires 2 spots per unit but allows selling them separately. Garage space: 25,000–70,000 KM. Budget for this explicitly.
Hillside/Trebević construction = landslide risk (~10+ posts): Engineer Babić (Zavod za izgradnju): "ogroman % klizišta direktna posljedica javasluka." Entire Trebević construction zone should not have been built. Check geological surveys.
Bonus regrets mentioned by buyers:
Buying too far from city center to save money (commute destroys quality of life)
Not checking komšiluk (neighbours) before buying: "Uz stan kupuješ i komšiju"
Taking 30-45 year mortgages: "generational debt" trap
Buying novogradnja sight-unseen from diaspora
9. TRENDS
Up-and-Coming Areas:
Pofalići / Kampus corridor (~15 posts): WTC Sarajevo (first in former Yugoslavia, construction 2025), Ars Aevi museum, Nova Biblioteka, Hitna pomoć renovation, MUP relocation, Green City — all converging. "Ovaj dio grada ce dobiti napokon zasluženu pažnju."
Vilsonovo / Marijin Dvor (Kvadrant C) (~12 posts): Full pedestrianization planned, underground parking behind Aquarius/Raiffeisen, Importanne expansion. "Transformed from drug zone to family promenade" already; next phase will be major.
Halilovići (~8 posts): IX transverzala completion + Lidl (first in Sarajevo) opened the area. "Dio grada praktično otvorio i bolje povezao s ostatkom Sarajeva."
Alipašin Most (~5 posts): Train service opening described as "totalna promjena razmišljanja i načina transporta" — 10 minutes to downtown.
Stari Grad / Baščaršija (~10 posts, from earlier files): Major municipal investment 2019-2020; Općina praised as "tako mala, a tako aktivna." Underground garage, Štrosmajerova repaving, Kovači sanitation, Bistrik station repurposed.
Declining Areas:
Stup — infrastructure permanently behind population; "unakazili za sva vremena"
Centar općina (under Mandić) — "totalna stagnacija, 10 godina bez značajne investicije"
Hillside mahale — "pretvaranje autentičnih mahala u favele"
Arab resort sites — ~80% of announced projects not built; pattern: rezone → clear forest → partial build → abandon
Emerging Watch:
Šip area — Infobip campus, Symphony business center; emerging tech district
Sarajevsko polje (Stup-Ilidža-Hadžići flat plain) — repeatedly cited as logical expansion direction if properly planned
Vogošća / TAS zone — absorbing firms fleeing expensive central locations
FINAL SUMMARY
══════════════════════════════════════════════
THE PERFECT SARAJEVO APARTMENT
(Based on ~19,000 Forum Posts Analysis)
══════════════════════════════════════════════
Neighborhood: Grbavica (starogradnja) or Otoka (stara Otoka)
Micro-location: Grbavica mid-1970s blocks near Miljacka;
Otoka "Teheranke" (zelene zgrade) area
Why: Established infrastructure, walkable, tram-connected,
thick-walled Yugoslav stock, green spaces, proven
quality of life across 5+ years of forum consensus
Single/Couple: 50–65 m²
Family: 75–90 m²
Sweet spot: 70–80 m² trosoban (3-room)
Floor: 3rd–5th (above smog, below roof leaks)
Rooms: Trosoban (3-room)
Heating: Toplana (district heating) with individual
kalorimetri — or etažno plin (gas)
Must-haves: Parking/garaža, thick walls, district
heating, 3rd+ floor
Nice-to-haves: Glazed south-facing balcony, elevator,
Miljacka or mountain views
Preference: Renovated starogradnja (1970s Yugoslav-era)
overwhelmingly preferred over novogradnja
Recommended: Skender Brick, Sarajevo Waves, River Walk,
Čobanija SPO, Vila Mak (for novogradnja)
Avoid: Tibra/Bulevar (Brajković), Džekos, SMART INVEST,
any developer with <50,000 KM registered capital
Per m² (starogradnja + renovation): 2,500–3,700 KM
Per m² (novogradnja, acceptable quality): 4,000–5,000 KM
Total for ideal 75m² apartment: 250,000–350,000 KM
(Subvencija max: 220,000 KM — limits first-time buyers)
1. Stup/Tibra — no school, no park, crammed buildings,
illegal floors, "azijski slum" comparisons
2. Nova Otoka — facade peeling, legally disputed,
overcrowded, distinguished from praised OLD Otoka
3. Sarajevo Tower area — wind corridor blocker, 494-unit
management chaos, subcontractor scandals, declining
4. Pofalići (new builds) — railway noise, no park,
dangerous garage exit, "Pofavelići" nickname
5. Alipašino Polje — aging blocks, no underground
parking, green space being destroyed for paid parking
1. Pofalići/Kampus corridor — WTC, Ars Aevi, biblioteka,
MUP all converging; transformation imminent
2. Marijin Dvor/Vilsonovo — Kvadrant C pedestrianization,
underground parking, CBD crystallizing
3. Halilovići — IX transverzala + Lidl opened the area;
newly connected to city network
1. NEVER trust renders — visit completed buildings by
the same developer; delivery routinely 50% of promise
2. You don't own it until etažiranje — before title
registration you're just a "fund-pooler," not an owner
3. Check RP (regulacioni plan) — your view/sunlight can
vanish when investors change the zoning plan
4. Budget for parking separately — 25,000–70,000 KM
additional; it is NEVER included in the apartment price
5. Inspect for vlaga (damp) in ANY novogradnja —
universal complaint across all developers and areas
CONFIDENCE LEVEL: MEDIUM-HIGH
- Location rankings: HIGH confidence (consistent across 5+
years of posts, hundreds of supporting comments)
- Pricing data: MEDIUM confidence (real transaction data
from katastar.ba cited, but prices shifting rapidly)
- Construction quality assessments: HIGH confidence
(overwhelming consistency across all files)
- Size preferences: MEDIUM confidence (fewer explicit
discussions; inferred from tax proposals and listings)
CAVEATS:
- Forum skews toward urban, car-owning, male demographic;
family/female perspectives underrepresented
- Posts span 2019–2024 — prices from early files are outdated;
2024 prices are 2-3x higher than 2019 levels
- Strong anti-Tibra consensus may be partially mob-driven,
though legal proceedings corroborate core complaints
- Diaspora buyers (significant market force) are rarely
the ones posting — their preferences are inferred
- Air quality is seasonal — winter smog makes ALL valley
locations problematic Oct–Mar; hillside premium is real
but comes with access/landslide trade-offs
- Political situation changes načelnici (mayors) and with
them regulatory priorities — what's "up-and-coming"
depends partly on who's in power
Last edited by iClass on 15/03/2026 17:33, edited 2 times in total.
-
BadBoy
- Posts: 9500
- Joined: 01/11/2005 21:55
#29361 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Dakle da je trosoban stan od 80 kvadrata za 250.000 Km u ljubljanskoj na trećem spratu u novogradnji sa unutrašnjom garažom, ali kvalitetom starogardnje 
- iClass
- Posts: 900
- Joined: 18/06/2023 06:33
#29362 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Evo sta kaze AI:
Dodatak drugog AI:Idealan stan u Sarajevu — kupi starogradnju iz sredine 70-ih na Grbavici ili staroj Otoci, trosoban od 75–80 m², na 3.–5. spratu, sa toplanskim grijanjem i individualnim kalorimetrima. Obavezno osiguraj garažno mjesto (računaj dodatnih 25.000–70.000 KM). Kupi po 2.500–3.500 KM/m² i renoviraj za 500–700 KM/m² — ukupno oko 250.000–300.000 KM za kvalitetniji stan nego što bi dobio u bilo kojoj novogradnji. Izbjegavaj Stup/Tibru, Novu Otoku i Sarajevo Tower pod svaku cijenu. Ako tražiš pametniju kupovinu za budućnost, gledaj Pofalići/Kampus koridor ili Marijin Dvor — tu dolaze najveće promjene.
Na osnovu analize hiljada poruka, perfektan stan u Sarajevu nalazi se na prestižnoj lokaciji kao što je Džidžikovac ili Crni Vrh, jer nude mir i čišći zrak iznad linije smoga, a blizu su samog centra grada
.
Idealna spratnost je 3. ili 4. sprat u zgradi koja ima lift, jer se ovi spratovi smatraju "taman" za izbjegavanje buke sa ulice i potencijalnih problema sa krovom na zadnjim etažama
. Što se tiče veličine, za porodicu je to stan od oko 80 m² sa funkcionalnim rasporedom po JUS standardu gdje se u sve prostorije ulazi iz hodnika, dok je za parove to komforan dvosoban stan od 55 m²
.
Cijena za ovakav "idealan" stan na top lokaciji danas se kreće između 4.500 KM i 6.000 KM po m², što znači da bi ukupna investicija iznosila između 350.000 KM i 500.000 KM
. Obavezni dodaci koji čine stan perfektnim su vlastito garažno mjesto povezano liftom, etažno plinsko grijanje radi kontrole troškova i prostrana lođa ili terasa
- _BataZiv_0809
- Nindža revizor
- Posts: 82624
- Joined: 09/05/2013 13:56
- Location: ...da ti pricam prstima..kad padne haljina...
- Vozim: Lancia na servisu
#29363 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Za mene:
Lokacija M. Dvor-Kovacitji-Skenderija-Điđikovac
80m2
Zadnji sprat
Da imam svoj parking
Istok-zapad orijentacija
Lokacija M. Dvor-Kovacitji-Skenderija-Điđikovac
80m2
Zadnji sprat
Da imam svoj parking
Istok-zapad orijentacija
-
izbjeglica_iz_besmisla
- Posts: 4039
- Joined: 15/09/2005 17:22
- Location: sarajevo ...
#29364 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Pa nije svakome isti stan perfektan.
Neko hoce u centar, neko bjezi od njega.
Neko hoce zapad, neko istok, neko to i ne gleda.
Neko hoce prvi sprat, neko zadnji.
Neko trazi kuhinju i dnevni skupa, neko odvojeno.
Neko hoce balkon, neko vkse voli dodatne kvadrate kroz ustakljavanje.
I btw, Sarajevo Toweru ne fali nista... mozda je problem bio prije 5 godina kad je sve oko nje stalo, al sad je zgrada odlicna za zivot.
Neko hoce u centar, neko bjezi od njega.
Neko hoce zapad, neko istok, neko to i ne gleda.
Neko hoce prvi sprat, neko zadnji.
Neko trazi kuhinju i dnevni skupa, neko odvojeno.
Neko hoce balkon, neko vkse voli dodatne kvadrate kroz ustakljavanje.
I btw, Sarajevo Toweru ne fali nista... mozda je problem bio prije 5 godina kad je sve oko nje stalo, al sad je zgrada odlicna za zivot.
- _BataZiv_0809
- Nindža revizor
- Posts: 82624
- Joined: 09/05/2013 13:56
- Location: ...da ti pricam prstima..kad padne haljina...
- Vozim: Lancia na servisu
#29365 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Doslovno sam poceo post recenicom "za mene"
-
izvrsni direktor
- Posts: 14457
- Joined: 20/12/2018 16:11
- Vozim: Premium
#29366 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Na stranu sve, ali podzemno garazno mjesto iz kojeg liftom dodjes pred stan je nesto sto bi svakome trebalo biti prioritet, sve ostalo se moze kombinovati..
-
Sociolog
- Posts: 5716
- Joined: 06/05/2008 17:44
- Location: Sarajevo
#29367 Re: Sarajevo Construction
ovdje kod mene, stari komšiluk, pretežno penzioneri, vrijeme kao da je stalo u 99' , komšiluk dolazi za zajednički šadrvan da se druži, ulice tik iznad Bosmala, ne bi mijenjao za milion...sve mi potaman i za deserak minuta gore, ili prema Ilidzi.
Jedini minus, u zadnje vrijeme, bruka arapa dolazi u Bosmal, pa u proljece i ljeto zna biti galame i buke..
Jedini minus, u zadnje vrijeme, bruka arapa dolazi u Bosmal, pa u proljece i ljeto zna biti galame i buke..
-
izbjeglica_iz_besmisla
- Posts: 4039
- Joined: 15/09/2005 17:22
- Location: sarajevo ...
#29368 Re: Sarajevo Construction
A ovo sam napisao za AI uradak gore, i jedan profil idealnog stana.
- iClass
- Posts: 900
- Joined: 18/06/2023 06:33
#29369 Re: Sarajevo Construction
To je analiza AI na osnovu 19 000 postova ovdje.izbjeglica_iz_besmisla wrote: ↑15/03/2026 20:40A ovo sam napisao za AI uradak gore, i jedan profil idealnog stana.![]()
-
izbjeglica_iz_besmisla
- Posts: 4039
- Joined: 15/09/2005 17:22
- Location: sarajevo ...
#29370 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Moju zenu da pitas, njoj draza starogradnja.izvrsni direktor wrote: ↑15/03/2026 20:25 Na stranu sve, ali podzemno garazno mjesto iz kojeg liftom dodjes pred stan je nesto sto bi svakome trebalo biti prioritet, sve ostalo se moze kombinovati..
Sto ima smisla, niti nosa stvari iz nabavke od auta do stana, niti trazi parking niti cisti snijeg kad napada po autu.
I opet dodjemo na ono, svako ima svoje preference. Pa tako i svaka roba (stan) svoju musteriju.
Last edited by izbjeglica_iz_besmisla on 15/03/2026 21:17, edited 1 time in total.
-
BadBoy
- Posts: 9500
- Joined: 01/11/2005 21:55
#29371 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Al je isto tako problem kada se lične preference guraju kao najbolje, što je vrlo često prisutno u postovima ovdje (nisu svi, naravno).
- nepass1
- Posts: 14396
- Joined: 06/07/2017 07:35
#29372 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Kad bih mogao birati, importane centar, trosoban sa vlastitim garaznim mjestom. Sve ostalo je zakurac_BataZiv_0809 wrote: ↑15/03/2026 17:07 Za mene:
Lokacija M. Dvor-Kovacitji-Skenderija-Điđikovac
80m2
Zadnji sprat
Da imam svoj parking
Istok-zapad orijentacija
Posjedujem trosoban i garazno mjesto, samo jos lokaciju da promjenim
- nepass1
- Posts: 14396
- Joined: 06/07/2017 07:35
#29373 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Imao sam i ovo, garaza 10m lift, izadjem iz lifta 2m do stanaizvrsni direktor wrote: ↑15/03/2026 20:25 Na stranu sve, ali podzemno garazno mjesto iz kojeg liftom dodjes pred stan je nesto sto bi svakome trebalo biti prioritet, sve ostalo se moze kombinovati..
Odem prosle godine u zadar, cetiri spavace sobe, cetiri kupatila, jedno sigurno 20-25m², dnevni boravak 50m², lift iz garaze direktno u stan, ko u filmovima. Na krovu zgrade bazen
- drug_profi
- Posts: 64562
- Joined: 16/07/2012 16:00
#29374 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Kuca p+1, 6x7m sa okucnicom 1000 kvadrata 28x36m sa privatnim prilaznim putem u gradskoj opštini na periferiji.
Juzno orijentisan plac na blagoj padini.
Jebo sve ostalo.
Juzno orijentisan plac na blagoj padini.
Jebo sve ostalo.
- _BataZiv_0809
- Nindža revizor
- Posts: 82624
- Joined: 09/05/2013 13:56
- Location: ...da ti pricam prstima..kad padne haljina...
- Vozim: Lancia na servisu
#29375 Re: Sarajevo Construction
Mozenepass1 wrote: ↑15/03/2026 22:29Kad bih mogao birati, importane centar, trosoban sa vlastitim garaznim mjestom. Sve ostalo je zakurac_BataZiv_0809 wrote: ↑15/03/2026 17:07 Za mene:
Lokacija M. Dvor-Kovacitji-Skenderija-Điđikovac
80m2
Zadnji sprat
Da imam svoj parking
Istok-zapad orijentacija
Posjedujem trosoban i garazno mjesto, samo jos lokaciju da promjenim![]()
