Co0l wrote:exliberal-ex wrote:Co0l wrote:
To su slicnosti i sam sam napisao da ih ima a ti se samo na njih fokusiras.Problem u tvojoj paraleli je sto razlika ima jos vise da bi se moglo to sve izjednaciti.
Koje su razlike....jesu li se kosovari borili za nezavisnost kao sto se i kurdi bore?
jesu li i jedni i drugi maltretirani od drzave, jesu li i jednim i drugim uskracivana ljudska prava, o kojim razlikama ti pricas....?
daj navedi te razlike izmedju kurda i kosovara?
Koje su razlike-pa na primjer Kosovo je imalo autonomiju,Kurdi u Turskoj to nemaju,i ne ne bore se za nezavisnost,barem tako oni tvrde a nakon dolaska AKP-a na vlast mnogo se pocelo raditi na vracanju prava Kurdima.Osim toga, Srbija je ucestvovala u genocidu u BiH, sto direktno, sto indirektno i nakon etnickog ciscenja na Kosovu u njihovoj reziji i zlocina nad Kosovarima koje su hladnjacama prevozili po Srbiji,otcjepljenje Kosova je najmanja kazna koja ih je mogla zadesiti.Turci ne sprovode genocid niti etnicki ciste Kurde.Mislim da je ovo dovoljno da odgovori na tvoje pitanje.
Vidis kad je Kosovu pokusano oduzimanje autonomije doslo je do sukoba sa organima reda u Srbij ( napadi su bili i kad su imali autonomiju ) , Kurdi kojih ima prema nekim procjenama oko 15-20% od ukupnog stanovnista (15-17 mil.) u Turskoj nemaju pravo ni da traze autonomiju, prema Turskim zakonima (do 1991) ni ime im nije bilo dozvoljeno, nazivani su planinskim Turcima, Kurdski jezik je zabranjen 1980 , kad je pokrenut ustanak ( ili pobuna rema tebi ) Turska je uvela embargo na hranu prema kurdskim enklavama, vrseno je nasilno izmjestanje stanovnista, naselja su sistematski unistavana i paljena
Prema izvjestaju Human Rights Watch oko 3000 naselja je opustoseno a vise od 350.000 stanovnika otislo u izbjeglistvo i ostavljeno bez domova
da nekazes da lazem
"Due to the guerrilla war much of the countryside in the southeast was depopulated, with Kurdish civilians moving to local defensible centers such as Diyarbakır, Van, and Şırnak, as well as to the cities of western Turkey and even to western Europe. The causes of the depopulation included PKK atrocities against Kurdish clans they could not control, the poverty of the southeast but predominantly caused by the Turks and Turkish military and the Turkish state's military operations.[31]
An estimated 3,000 Kurdish villages in Turkey were virtually wiped from the map,
representing the displacement of more than 378,000 people[32] or, as put by the Human Rights Watch:
"Evacuations were unlawful and violent. Security forces would surround a village using helicopters, armored vehicles, troops, and village guards, and
burn stored produce, agricultural equipment, crops, orchards, forests, and livestock. They set fire to houses, often giving the inhabitants no opportunity to retrieve their possessions. During the course of such operations, security forces frequently abused and humiliated villagers, stole their property and cash, and ill-treated or tortured them before herding them onto the roads and away from their former homes. The operations were marked by scores of “disappearances” and extrajudicial executions. By the mid-1990s, more than 3,000 villages had been virtually wiped from the map, and, according to official figures, 378,335 Kurdish villagers had been displaced and left homeless."
po pitanju ljudskih prava
Since the 1970s, the European Court of Human Rights has condemned Turkey for the
thousands of human rights abuses.[65][66] The judgments are related to executions of Kurdish civilians,[67] torturing,[68] forced displacements,[69] destroyed villages,[70] arbitrary arrests,[71] murdered and disappeared Kurdish journalists.[72]
The European Commission Against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) reports that (
as of April 2010): "The public use by officials of the Kurdish language lays them open to prosecution, and public defence by individuals of Kurdish or minority interests also frequently leads to prosecutions under the Criminal Code."[73] From the 1994 briefing at the International Human Rights Law Group: "the problem in Turkey is the Constitution is against the Kurds and the apartheid constitution is very similar to it."[74]
Kad pogledamo kakva su prava kosovari imali a kakva prava imaju Kurdi , onda ako hocemo da povucemo paralelu izmedju te dvije grupe Kurdi ne da imaju prava na drzavu nego im jo Turska treba da isplati nadoknadu za genocid koji su vrsili prema njima...
U pravu si moram da priznam nemozemo povuci paralelu izmedju Kosova I kurdistana