Bosanska piramida Sunca vol.2

[Shoshana]

Joj, jes' fakat ovaj Wels neozbiljan

Nego Gogi, Gogi, sta bi od onog groblja?

[forUMASH]

....zasto kameni spavac nosi suknju.....da piramida nije bila prvi gay klub u BIH....

[wels]

Joj, jes' fakat ovaj Wels neozbiljan

Nego Gogi, Gogi, sta bi od onog groblja?

Ne razumijem,lijepo te upucujem na autora koji je izvor informacije i josh sam neozbiljan.

[Shoshana]

Joj, jes' fakat ovaj Wels neozbiljan

Nego Gogi, Gogi, sta bi od onog groblja?

Ne razumijem,lijepo te upucujem na autora koji je izvor informacije i josh sam neozbiljan.

Ovo je bila sala na @Goranovu recenicu o zacatavanju
Izvinjavam se ako je shvaceno drugacije!

[wels]

Joj, jes' fakat ovaj Wels neozbiljan

Nego Gogi, Gogi, sta bi od onog groblja?

Ne razumijem,lijepo te upucujem na autora koji je izvor informacije i josh sam neozbiljan.

Ovo je bila sala na @Goranovu recenicu o zacatavanju
Izvinjavam se ako je shvaceno drugacije!

A jelde da sam neozbiljan

[Vodenjak]

Kameni spavac nam pokazuje 5 piramida

Izvini, ali gdje vidis da pokazuje 5 ?

I ja sam jedva vidio palac!

[Vodenjak]

Aaaa, do mene je. Fakat se slabo vidi. OK pet je. Kopaj!

[Shoshana]

Ne razumijem,lijepo te upucujem na autora koji je izvor informacije i josh sam neozbiljan.

Ovo je bila sala na @Goranovu recenicu o zacatavanju
Izvinjavam se ako je shvaceno drugacije!

A jelde da sam neozbiljan

Eto, sad ce jos ispasti da sam ti i kompliment dala

Eto, opet zacatavas...Vidjeces ti kad se moderator probudi

A, sad, sto se tice literature...informacija....izvora...vjerovanja u sve sto se procita... Ma znas ti to i sam

[horoz]

gledajte BHT1

... i uzivajte

a anti-likovi nek pate

[ztluhcs]

Joj kad navale sad poslije emisije svi

[DOBOJLIJA]

napred nasi

[mamica papucarka]

gledajte BHT1

... i uzivajte

a anti-likovi nek pate

sto, sta je na BHT-u
ja ko padobranac. Ne mogu stic da sve procitam, a interesuje meeeeee

Dolaze geolozi iz Egipta?

[horoz]

dinno kassalo

LEGENDA

[wels]

Ovo je bila sala na @Goranovu recenicu o zacatavanju
Izvinjavam se ako je shvaceno drugacije!

A jelde da sam neozbiljan

Eto, sad ce jos ispasti da sam ti i kompliment dala

Eto, opet zacatavas...Vidjeces ti kad se moderator probudi

A, sad, sto se tice literature...informacija....izvora...vjerovanja u sve sto se procita... Ma znas ti to i sam

Ja samo bogu vjerujem

[ztluhcs]

Dolaze geolozi iz Egipta?

Egiptolozi s Atlantide

[bosan]

Evo otkrivena piramida Zmajeva

[Fair Life]

@ bosan

Nazdravlje i zivio !!

[kekec]

dinno kassalo
LEGENDA

Promasaj!

Zna Kassalo mnogo bolje. Ovo ipak nije njegova oblast.

Nista novo i nista posebno. Cak naprotiv. Ni jedan
argument, samo obicna prica koja se do sada vise
puta cula ili procitala. A uvodna prica Horozovica cak
upucuje na bosansko srednjovjekovlje. On jadan se
slomio da ubijedi o postojanju piramide, ali cijelo vrijeme
prica o rimljanima, ilirima i bosancima.

[horoz]

dinno kassalo
LEGENDA

Promasaj!

da, jako si mjerodavan da ocjenjuješ

emisija se trebala zvati "piramida 1 kroz 1"

najvaznije su cinjenice, a njih je bilo dovoljno.

[Fair Life]

dinno kassalo
LEGENDA

Promasaj!

da, jako si mjerodavan da ocjenjuješ
emisija se trebala zvati "piramida 1 kroz 1"
najvaznije su cinjenice, a njih je bilo dovoljno.

. . .Cinjenice, cinjenice... poslusajte cinjenice...

[Prenj]

New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/15/world ... wanted=all

Some See a 'Pyramid' to Hone Bosnia's Image. Others See a Big Hill.

VISOKO, Bosnia and Herzegovina — Semir Osmanagic stopped to shake hands and have his photograph taken with a group of mud-flecked Bosnian villagers, pickaxes in hand, on a steep hillside above this small medieval trading town on a bend of the Bosna River. They have dug away four feet of roots and clay to expose slanted slabs of sedimentary stone.
"Look at that megalith, it's got to weigh 40 tons," Mr. Osmanagic said eagerly, pointing to one of the roughly rectangular-shaped stones. "After so many thousands of years, it is amazing that they are still here."

Mr. Osmanagic, an amateur archaeologist, is convinced that he has discovered a huge ancient pyramid that will rewrite the history of Europe — not to mention that of Bosnia, a country suffering from war recriminations, political divisions and sunken pride. Anthropological genetics, he said, has proved that Bosnia is "the second oldest oasis of life in Europe," and the pyramid proves Bosnia is a source of civilization on the Continent.

"It's not just any pyramid," he said from beneath his flat-crowned Navajo hat, which has led the local press to liken him to Indiana Jones. "It's the biggest pyramid in the world."

Archaeologists and historians inside and outside Bosnia are appalled, insisting it is simply a peculiarly symmetrical bit of geology. But pyramid fever is spreading through the country. Largely uncritical television and newspaper reports have made the photogenic Mr. Osmanagic a national celebrity, and volunteers are flocking to Visoko hoping to help uncover the Pyramid of the Sun, a prehistoric edifice that will redeem the country by giving it a glorious and important past. "After all the blood and mass graves, this gives people something positive to talk about," said Zlatko Bekbic, who came from the northeastern town of Tuzla to see the supposed pyramid.

Asim Islamovic, 67, climbs the steep and slippery hill daily to dig with his toothless wife and middle-aged daughter. He lost a leg during the war that began in 1992, after the province of Bosnia-Herzegovina broke away from Serbian-dominated Yugoslavia. The horrors that followed introduced the world to the term "ethnic cleansing."

"We are changing the image of the whole country," Mr. Islamovic said. "We're showing Bosnia in a good way."

But not everyone is elated. "This isn't a pyramid, it's a bad circus," said Zilka Kujundzic-Vejzagic, a specialist in prehistoric archaeology at the National Museum in Sarajevo. She is one of 21 experts who published an open letter in Bosnian newspapers in April denouncing Mr. Osmanagic's project as bad science and manipulative sociology.

She scoffs at his suggestion that the pyramid is "probably older than the last ice age," saying no humans were even building simple huts then. There is no evidence, she said, that there was ever a civilization in the region organized enough to build such a massive monument. "If there had been a people who could make something like that, we would have found artifacts around it," she said.

Archaeologists in Bosnia have found little more than flint tools from the end of the last ice age and only simple Neolithic settlements that appeared thousands of years after that. The country's most substantial ancient monument is a modest stone city in southern Bosnia built during the third century B.C. by the Illyrians. The Egyptians are believed to have built their pyramids around 3,000 B.C., but even the biggest of them is dwarfed by Mr. Osmanagic's hill, which is 700 feet high.

Ms. Kujundzic-Vejzagic and her peers say that the symmetrical hill that Mr. Osmanagic has seized on was formed when an ancient lake bed buckled from tectonic movement of the earth's crust millions of years ago. As Africa pushed into Europe, geologists say, the flat lake bed broke into shards that were lifted up like pieces of ice at the colliding edge of an ice floe, creating flat-sided hills.

But where archaeologists see geological principles, Mr. Osmanagic sees the grandeur of Bosnian prehistory in which his ancestors built not only the Pyramid of the Sun, but also at least two other giant monuments hidden under grass and trees, which he has named the Pyramids of the Moon and Dragon. These terrestrial lumps, he said, form a triangle.

"Nature could not have created three identical hills in this pattern," he said with matter-of-fact confidence. He tells the daily stream of visitors to his dig that at certain times of year, the shadow of the Pyramid of the Sun moves across the valley and covers the Pyramid of the Moon, "symbolizing that the reign of the sun is over and that of the moon is beginning."

His fans, mostly Bosnian Muslims like himself, include Sulejman Tihic, that group's representative in the country's dysfunctional three-party presidency that includes a Serb and a Croat. While Mr. Osmanagic insists he has broader support, he has little argument with the notion that nationalist pride plays a role in what is happening in Visoko.

"Once you show that you respect your past, people respect you more," he said in slightly accented English, as the pickaxes flew atop his pyramid. "The Bosnian brain is going to excavate this site and show results to the international community."

Visoko, a stronghold of the Bosnian nationalist party, was a major base of the Bosnian Army during the war. The bullet-riddled shell of a bombed-out Serbian house on the south flank of the pyramid-shaped hill attests to the religious tensions that still percolate here.

Nor is it just any hill that Mr. Osmanagic has identified as a prehistoric pyramid. The flat top is the site of a medieval castle that belonged to a 14th-century Christian king, Stefan Tvrtko I, who was buried in a church in the valley below.

Croats identify more with the king and his castle than do Bosnian Muslims, for whom the site is a subtle reminder of Serbian wartime propaganda that claimed there was no such thing as the Bosnian people, arguing that Bosnians were nothing more than Serbs and Croats who switched religions under Turkish occupation hundreds of years ago.

Mr. Osmanagic, 45, studied economics and politics in Sarajevo before moving to Croatia to work in the import and export trade. He left for the United States with his wife and son when the war broke out, and he now owns a metal shop in Houston that makes everything from stainless steel sinks to small copper pyramids that he sells as a novelty item for $40 each; a line that preceded his venture to the Visoko hill

His true interest, he says, has long been in "the real history of civilization," and over the past 15 years, he repeatedly traveled to Central America to visit the pre-Columbian pyramids there. He wrote a dissertation on Mayan monuments for a doctorate degree at the University of Sarajevo that was published in English. It is full of new-age interpretations of what he saw in the Mayan pyramids. Several other books in his native language have also been published.

While promoting his books in Sarajevo last year, he answered an invitation from the director of the Visoko Historic Heritage Museum to visit the medieval ruins and, he said, quickly recognized the symmetrical hill they sat upon as a pyramid.

Every flat surface, every straight line only confirms his hypothesis. He sees four clearly delineated sides to the Visoko hill, corresponding to the cardinal points. "That was enough to convince me that we are talking about pyramids here," he said, standing on the gentler slope of the hill's west side, the "ceremonial causeway."

Radar analysis, he said, has found "straight hallways" inside the hill that intersect at 90-degree angles. Thermal analysis indicates that the hill dissipates heat more quickly than those around it, he said, as would a pyramid with tunnels inside.

In April, he instructed teams of volunteers to start digging on the slope above the town. They soon hit flat stones, and the mood grew feverish. "When they uncovered the first stone blocks, they were hopping like kids," Mr. Osmanagic said.

The authorities have granted him five years to excavate the site, and he has raised thousands of dollars from the local government and businesses to finance the work. He is trying to get the national government to put the project in its budget next year.

The genius of Mr. Osmanagic's discovery may turn out to be that it is difficult to disprove without a large and costly excavation, allowing an enduring and alluring mythology to grow up around the hill.

A hotel in Visoko has renamed itself the Pyramid Motel, and merchants are doing a brisk business selling miniature Mayan-style pyramids in the shape of the one that Mr. Osmanagic has convinced people lies beneath the wooded slopes.

"You're proof that something has started to move in a positive way," one shop owner, Senar Laletovic, told a visiting reporter. "That alone is interesting."

[novel]

Visoko, a stronghold of the Bosnian nationalist party was a major base of the Bosnian Army during the war.

Nor is it just any hill that Mr. Osmanagic has identified as a prehistoric pyramid. The flat top is the site of a medieval castle that belonged to a 14th-century Christian king, Stefan Tvrtko I, who was buried in a church in the valley below.

Croats identify more with the king and his castle than do Bosnian Muslims, for whom the site is a subtle reminder of Serbian wartime propaganda that claimed there was no such thing as the Bosnian people, arguing that Bosnians were nothing more than Serbs and Croats who switched religions under Turkish occupation hundreds of years ago.

Sta nam mister Smith sa ovim zeli da dokaze?? ...ako ne bude piramide da je mister Seselj ipak u pravu , srbi muslimani, srbi hrvati, srbi.... ili da je Tvrtko ipak Hrvatski "Christian king"

[Goran_35]

Moze li ista proci bez uplitanja nacionalizma?

Ja bih svakako volio da budu piramide a citava ova frka mi se svidjala zbog toga sto smo se po prvi put podjelili na "piramidashe" i anti-piramidashe bez obzira na nacionalnu pripadnost...

[horoz]

Stefan Tvrtko I...

možda "prvovjenčani"

jaro je napravio sažetak ove naše diskusije i objavio članak. hvala na dodatnom publicitetu

[Piramidos]

http://www.theartnewspaper.com
The Art Newspaper (London)
No. 169, May 2006

Bosnia:
Prime Minister declared medieval site "12,000 years old"
Archaeologists astonished at state support for bizarre project

LONDON -- Following a report published in The Art Newspaper last month,
more than 20 Bosnian archaeologists, museum directors and historians
have issued a statement condemning an amateur archaeologist's search
for a pyramid at Visoko Hill, near the remains of Bosnia's medieval
royal capital.

The statement, issued on 22 April, strongly criticised the controversial
excavations being conducted by Texas-based entrepreneur Semir "Sam"
Osmanagic. He believes that there is a "valley of the kings" of up to
four pyramids in the archaeologically-rich area.

On 14 April, surrounded by journalists, Mr Osmanagic began digging. With
no internationally accredited archaeologists present, the excavations
were carried out by mine workers from nearby Kakanj.

Stone slabs bearing inscriptions were soon discovered, and Mr Osmanagic
declared the hill to be "the mother of all pyramids". On 19 April, as
enough evidence of genuine archaeological importance had emerged, the
ministry of culture suspended Mr Osmanagic's permit until a commission
of experts from the National Museum and the Commission to Protect
National Monuments could inspect the area and report.

Despite this setback for Mr Osmanagic, the ministry has declared its
backing for the project, which the outraged archaeologists describe as the
equivalent of allowing an amateur to dig at Stonehenge. There has been
surprise among academics at the level of official support for the project,
which has been endorsed by the Mayor of Sarajevo, among others.

The site was visited by officials from Sarajevo and Zenica on 19 April,
and the next day by the Prime Minister of the Bosnia-Herzegovina
Federation, Ahmed Hadzipasic, a move that according to one Bosnian
archaeologist, was a message to the ministry of culture not to create any
obstacles. The prime minister declared that the pyramid was 12,000 years
old and should become "a recognisable state project. He also said that
the pyramid was the most important thing to happen to Bosnia since the
Dayton Accords.

The public statements issued by the experts from Sarajevo, Zenica,
Bijeljina, Tuzla and Mostar demanded an "urgent ban on further
digging in that archaeological area, currently being carried out by an
unqualified person". If this is not carried out they threaten to approach
"international organisations, including the International Council of
Monuments and Sites and Unesco, to ask for the protection of national
heritage from their own administration." It described the pyramid hunt
as "a farce that is a laughing stock for the world."

-- Lucian Harris
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http://hotcupofjoe.blogspot.com/2006/05 ... pulls.html
Hot Cup of Joe
Sunday, May 07, 2006

Bosnian Pseudo-archaeologist pulls wool over media eyes...

...and perhaps even my own, to some extent. I commented recently on the
"Bosnian Pyramid" story with, perhaps, more optimism than skepticism a few
days ago. But at least I was in good company. It seems that major media
outlets were willing to print headlines like, "Scientists begin dig at
Bosnian 'pyramid'" (MSNBC), "Researchers Find Possible Evidence of
Bosnian Pyramid" (Fox News), and "Dig for ancient pyramid in Bosnia"
(BBC).

The real story seems to be how the media allowed itself to be duped. How
the public is duped is understandable, we expect our major media sources
to provide news that is fact-checked (okay, maybe we don't expect these
high standards from Fox...). Archaeology Magazine ran an article on
4/27/06 that discusses the media hype and points to some very questionable
details about Semir (Sam) Osmanagic. In the earlier article on HOJ,
I referred to him as "[a] Bosnian-American archeologist," which is
not exactly true. Indeed, it doesn't appear to be true at all.

Apparently Osmanagic is what archaeologists commonly refer to as a
"pyramidiot," some one who finds undue significance in pyramid form and
function and is a monger for the "mystery" surrounding them. Pyramidiots
(different link) posit all sorts of silly notions, like aliens built
the pyramids at Giza, the Maya and Incan pyramids were constructed
by a civilization that is related to that of ancient Egypt, etc.

These clues should have been more apparent in looking at Osmanagic's site,
the Bosnian Pyramid. He makes the pseudoscientific claim that nature is
incapable of producing geometric shapes, which is echoed in claims that
surround possible sites of Atlantis and the alleged "face" on Mars. He
also presents his findings to the media, rather than for peer-review,
generating a lot of hyperbole and attention, thus giving the impression
of legitimacy.

The Archaeology article also quotes Osmanagic's book, The World of the
Maya, available online at http://www.alternativnahistorija.com . There,
Osmanagic states, "The Mayan hieroglyphics tell us that their ancestors
came from the Pleiades... first arriving at Atlantis where they created
an advanced civilization." He goes on to say that ancient cultures like
the Maya, Inca, Sumerian, and Egyptian built temples that functioned as
gateways to other worlds and dimensions.

Osmanagic offers as "proof of manmade" the "maze of tunnels" that
he has allegedly discovered at the site as well as "stone blocks" that
locals have been finding. In the 2 May 2006 news bit offered on his site,
Osmanagic cites the fact that the pyramid has four sides that "match the
points of the compass, facing north, south, east and west" as further
evidence for artificiality. I'm starkly reminded of an individual that
was making his internet rounds on sciforums claiming that Cydonia on Mars
(including the "face") was evidence of artificiality because of what
appeared to be right angles.

The significance-junkie and mystery-monger will find no end to those
willing to appeal to his sense of mystery or desire to find undue
significance in natural coincidences. Maybe the Bosnian "pyramid" is
man-made, but it doesn't seem likely. Nor does it seem that there is
a qualified and competent individual investigating the site for what
genuine artifacts remain.

-- posted by CFeagans at 7:07 PM

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http://skepchick.org/blog/?p=80
Memoirs of a Skepchick - Critical Thinking for the Masses
May 4, 2006

Pyramidiocy

I feel bad for skipping over a pseudoscience story from the past few weeks
that I really should've covered here. I'm talking about the "discovery"
of a "Bosnian pyramid" that the mainstream news was all over once it hit
the AP wire -- MSNBC, for example. I knew they were reporting it as fact,
I was suspicious of it, but it just didn't fully hit me how bad this is
until the other day, when I Googled it to read up on the skeptical reports
and had to search pretty deeply before I found one. Yeah, just one.

It's inexcusable that someone searching for "Bosnian pyramid" is bombarded
with nothing but pseudoscience, so I want to talk about it a bit now. If
you're just joining the game, the AP story hit the papers around April 15
2006. They reported that Bosnian archaeologist Semir Osmanagic discovered
a magnificent pyramid hidden beneath a hill in the war-torn country,
complete with tunnels and polished stones. He estimated the size to be
a third larger than Giza -- 722 feet.

Had AP, CNN, the New York Times, BBC, MSNBC, or any of the other outlets
bothered to do the very same Google search I performed, they would have
found ample evidence to suggest that Osmanagic is a loon of the highest
order, and it only would've taken them precisely .24 seconds. The
researchers' own web site ( piramidasunca.ba ) includes an easy-to-find
interview with Osmanagic in which he discusses the origin of his research,
which came about from noticing two pyramid-shaped hills. Personally,
I'd be more interested in a hill that isn't in some way pyramid-shaped,
but okay. He goes on to suggest that from that initial observation,
he became dedicated to proving his hypothesis, that there are multiple
gargantuan pyramids hidden beneath the hills of Bosnia.

And who built these wonders? He says:

For now we have two very important indicators that pyramids were
under water for several hundred years. Only such occurrence can
be related to the melting of the ice at the end of the last Ice Age
12.000 years ago. In other words, pyramids existed then already.

Roll that around in your head for a second.

So, what does anthropological evidence suggest the hairless apes were up
to around that time in Europe? Well, relaxing a bit after that nasty ice
age they just had, for starters. On busy days, our Mesolithic monkey men
would learn how to bash things with rocks, eventually graduating to
stabbing things with rocks. They would then eat the bashed and stabbed
things. After thousands of years, they'd eventually learn to stab things
with rocks from far away using a bow, something they either figured out
for themselves or borrowed from their neolithic neighbors to the south.
They would then eat those stabbed things, too.

And then they built three 722-foot pyramids of geometrically cut
polished stone slabs at exact angles denoting mystical significance.

Sure they did. Good job with the fact checking, mass media.

Oh, and also? The pyramid builders came from Atlantis. Yeah, Atlantis.

Was that not enough crazy for you? Apparently, the Atlanteans first
came from the Pleiades. Yeah, the Pleiades.

For further reading that the rest of the media did not do, Google
World of the Maya, Osmanagic's titillating study of the Mayan people.
It includes such gems as this:

Let us consider the possibilities of travel without high technology
and airplanes. And conveying the body from one place to another.

What is our body? It is a ball of energy (both the physical and the
spiritual body). Particles which can be expressed by a given frequency.
And different frequencies are just different kinds of information. We
are, in other words, information. Our solar system is also information.

What, then, is travel through the universe?

The ability to transfer information (our energy identity), using the
appropriate frequency, to another part of the universe. If we know
how to achieve the right frequency and to hitch a ride on the
right frequency, we can get to the desired point in the universe.

Interstellar travelers are information which resonates through
the cosmos. The Maya were aware of this.

Yep. There's really nothing else I can add to that.

-- Posted in Current Events, Anti-Science at 10:27 am by Rebecca
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http://sciencepolitics.blogspot.com/200 ... pdate.html
Science and Politics
Sunday, May 07, 2006

Quick pyramid update

Too busy these days to pay this story much attention, but others do...

The folks belonging to the Anti-Pyramid Web-ring
( http://antipyramidwebring.blogger.ba/ ) have uncovered quite a lot
of interesting stuff lately, unfortunately mostly not in English,
about Osmanagic and the pyramid project. If you can read the language
(Bosnian/Serbian/Croatian - whatever you want to call it), check out
their posts and links:

Bosanska Piramida Zablude
http://piramidazablude.blogger.ba/

Piramidalna Prevara
http://prevara.bloger.hr/

R
http://r.blogger.ba/

Stultitia
http://stultitia.blogger.ba/

Apparently, Osmanagic believes in Aliens, Atlantis, the Myth of the Hitler
Double and every other piece of nonsense that the gullible really like.
Also, apparently his website is as honest as the Creationists' websites:
deleting stuff when it gets too hot, listing "supporters" from the
scientific community who either do not exist, or are quite the opposite of
supporters, etc.

For English speakers, there is not that much, but you may want to read
these:

It's either one of the greatest archaeological discoveries of our time, or
man has made a giant pyramid out of a molehill

Debunking the Bosnian 'Pyramid'

Controversial dig sparks pyramid mania

Bosnia's rich heritage

The Bosnia-Atlantis Connection