#27826 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 21/01/2022 12:15
malo fleš baca ko na 92gu jele 
JoseMujica wrote: ↑21/01/2022 09:46
manite se te samobitnosti
jedino šta se može desiti da postanemo sića za potkusurivanje velikih, kao što smo tradicionalno uvijek bili. Ovdje ništa neće početi, ali se ovdje štošta može završiti ako počne Ukrajina, ali pod uslovom da i ovi lokalni pijačari znaju igrati. No, sudeći po njihovim dometima, najprije je da ćemo ostati u dugotrajnom razvlačenju pameti i živaca bez ikakvog opipljivog rezultata.
Ne vjerujem da bi lažni Rusi genocidisali prave Ruse...DonieBrasco wrote: ↑21/01/2022 12:20 Svijet ce da zažmiri ako krene sranje u Ukrajini, mnogo ce "Srebrenica" biti po istoj na zalost.
Do sad su obe strane uglavnom korektno tretirale zarobljenike i ukazivale prvu pomoc ranjenima a vecina poginulih civila su nenamerno ubijeni.HarTar wrote: ↑21/01/2022 12:36Ne vjerujem da bi lažni Rusi genocidisali prave Ruse...DonieBrasco wrote: ↑21/01/2022 12:20 Svijet ce da zažmiri ako krene sranje u Ukrajini, mnogo ce "Srebrenica" biti po istoj na zalost.
Ali nije samo Bugarska i Rumunija u pitanju.sime_cipol wrote: ↑21/01/2022 12:07 https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/ne-o ... /220121047
Ovi idu sa nemogućim zahtjevima, samo traze povod da krenu
Pa ce kasnije biti da nisu oni krivi.
Znam, zato i kažem, a tako i treba...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundatio ... eopolitics
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In Foundations of Geopolitics, Dugin calls for the United States and Atlanticism to lose their influence in Eurasia, and for Russia to rebuild its influence through annexations and alliances.[2]
The book declares that "the battle for the world rule of Russians" has not ended and Russia remains "the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution". The Eurasian Empire will be constructed "on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us."[9]
Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries.[9]
The book states that "the maximum task [of the future] is the 'Finlandization' of all of Europe".[9]
In Europe:
Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad Oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term "Moscow–Berlin axis".[9]
France should be encouraged to form a bloc with Germany, as they both have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".[9]
The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.[9]
Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".[9]
Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.[9]
Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian–Russian sphere.[9]
Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.[9]
Romania, North Macedonia, Serbia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece – "Orthodox collectivist East" – will unite with "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".[9]
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.[9]
In the Middle East and Central Asia:
The book stresses the "continental Russian–Islamic alliance" which lies "at the foundation of anti-Atlanticist strategy". The alliance is based on the "traditional character of Russian and Islamic civilization".
Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow–Tehran axis".[9]
Armenia has a special role: It will serve as a "strategic base," and it is necessary to create "the [subsidiary] axis Moscow-Yerevan-Teheran". Armenians "are an Aryan people ... [like] the Iranians and the Kurds".[9]
Azerbaijan could be "split up" or given to Iran.[9]
Georgia should be dismembered. Abkhazia and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's South Ossetia) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable.[9]
Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities.[9]
The book regards the Caucasus as a Russian territory, including "the eastern and northern shores of the Caspian (the territories of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan)" and Central Asia (mentioning Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan).[9]
In East and Southeast Asia:
China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled". Dugin suggests that Russia start by taking Tibet–Xinjiang–Inner Mongolia–Manchuria as a security belt.[1] Russia should offer China help "in a southern direction – Indochina (except Vietnam), the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia" as geopolitical compensation.[9]
Russia should manipulate Japanese politics by offering the Kuril Islands to Japan and provoking anti-Americanism.[9]
Mongolia should be absorbed into Eurasia-Russia.[9]
The book emphasizes that Russia must spread anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."
In the United States:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".[9]
The Eurasian Project could be expanded to South and Central America.
Ovi traze povod, jer znaju da NATO nece pristati na ove uslove. Ako krenu, a sve su prilike da hoce, zapad ce ih pokušati slomiti sankcijama i dostavom oruzja Ukrajini. Mozda bude trajalo 10ak godina dok se ne umore. Slicno kao i Afganistan 80ih. Samo ne znam jesu li Ukrajinci spremni na tu zrtvu.daddy-kool wrote: ↑21/01/2022 13:35Ali nije samo Bugarska i Rumunija u pitanju.sime_cipol wrote: ↑21/01/2022 12:07 https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/ne-o ... /220121047
Ovi idu sa nemogućim zahtjevima, samo traze povod da krenu
Pa ce kasnije biti da nisu oni krivi.
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Njihovi prijedlozi su nepopularni u USA establišmentu, ali su jasni, glasni i recipročni. Nema širenja NATO na istok Evrope (Ukrajina, Bjelorusija, Moldavija), nema širenja tih zemalja u ODKB. Limitiranje broja NATO vojnika uz rusku granicu (Estonija, Latvija), limitiranje broja ruskih vojnika uz njihovu granicu. Demontaža ofanzivnih kapaciteta srednjeg dometa (Poljska, Rumunija), pomjeranje istih ruskih u dubinu Rusije. I zadnje ali ne i nevažno, demontiranje američkog nuklearnog naoružanja u Evropi i vraćanje u USA (Njemačka, Benelux, Italija), pomjeranje ruskog nuklearnog potencijala u dubinu Rusije na distancu britanskog i francuskog.sime_cipol wrote: ↑21/01/2022 13:52Ovi traze povod, jer znaju da NATO nece pristati na ove uslove. Ako krenu, a sve su prilike da hoce, zapad ce ih pokušati slomiti sankcijama i dostavom oruzja Ukrajini. Mozda bude trajalo 10ak godina dok se ne umore. Slicno kao i Afganistan 80ih. Samo ne znam jesu li Ukrajinci spremni na tu zrtvu.
zato vidim rusi razvaljuju po pitanju osnova medjunarodnog poretka hehe toliko razvaljuj da im drzave bjeze iz okruzenja i ne pitaju koja je cijena.Challenger_ wrote: ↑21/01/2022 14:27 Pisao sam o ličnoj impresiji dramatičnog pada kvaliteta ljudskih resursa u vrhu američke politike. Bivši ruski pregovarač je opisao V. Nuland kao "izuzetno glupu ženu", koja "nema pojma o osnovama međunardnog poretka".
Missim, zalijepio bih smile, ali više je za plakati.
Tokom 2014, bilo je građana Srbije na strani pučista. Itekako. Još bitnije, alfa i omega narandžastih revolucija, od Tbilisija, preko Kaira do Kijeva je Beograđanin Srđa Popović i njegov Canvas.sumirprimus wrote: ↑21/01/2022 15:06 nesto hehe od pocetka imaju čete koji su na strani secesionista, gdje ce drugdje i bit.
a hrvati i ukri iz nekog razloga se razumiju u zadnje vrijeme.

Ako ti srpski stav determinše tvoj lični, bilo za ili protiv, onda si Srbin.sumirprimus wrote: ↑21/01/2022 15:13 to sto ti pises ovde je uglavnom slicno misljenju vecine iz srbijanske perspektive koja je opet naklonjena ruskoj bez pogovora, a znamo kako oni misle, o svemu i zbog cega.
zato sam ja uvijek kontra njihove perspektive..
Lijepo od Rusa sto su iskreniChallenger_ wrote: ↑21/01/2022 14:23Njihovi prijedlozi su nepopularni u USA establišmentu, ali su jasni, glasni i recipročni. Nema širenja NATO na istok Evrope (Ukrajina, Bjelorusija, Moldavija), nema širenja tih zemalja u ODKB. Limitiranje broja NATO vojnika uz rusku granicu (Estonija, Latvija), limitiranje broja ruskih vojnika uz njihovu granicu. Demontaža ofanzivnih kapaciteta srednjeg dometa (Poljska, Rumunija), pomjeranje istih ruskih u dubinu Rusije. I zadnje ali ne i nevažno, demontiranje američkog nuklearnog naoružanja u Evropi i vraćanje u USA (Njemačka, Benelux, Italija), pomjeranje ruskog nuklearnog potencijala u dubinu Rusije na distancu britanskog i francuskog.sime_cipol wrote: ↑21/01/2022 13:52
Ovi traze povod, jer znaju da NATO nece pristati na ove uslove. Ako krenu, a sve su prilike da hoce, zapad ce ih pokušati slomiti sankcijama i dostavom oruzja Ukrajini. Mozda bude trajalo 10ak godina dok se ne umore. Slicno kao i Afganistan 80ih. Samo ne znam jesu li Ukrajinci spremni na tu zrtvu.
Ovi prijedlozi su, za sada šok za establišment USA, ali je prijedlog jasan, glasan i konkretan.
Sada su na redu USA, da se očituju, a kako sam razumio obećano vrijeme o pismenom izjašnjavanju u roku od 7 dana uskoro ističe.