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#2751 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 19:32
by omar little
Children are just as likely to get infected with the new coronavirus as adults, finds one of the most detailed studies yet published on the spread of the virus, known as SARS-CoV-2. The analysis — based on data from Shenzhen, China — provides a partial answer to one of the most pressing questions surrounding the outbreak: the role of children.

Previous studies have suggested that kids were far less likely to develop severe symptoms when infected by the coronavirus, compared with other age groups. But it was not clear if it was because they weren’t getting infected or if they were fighting off the infection more effectively than others.

“Kids are just as likely to get infected and they’re not getting sick,” says Justin Lessler, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland. He co-led the study with Johns Hopkins epidemiologist Qifang Bi, and epidemiologists Ting Ma, at the Harbin Institute of Technology in Shenzhen, and Tiejian Feng, of the Shenzhen Center for Disease Control and Prevention. They posted the analysis to the medRxiv preprint server on 4 March.

The study is unique in that it looked at not only people who were infected with the virus, but also large numbers of their close contacts, some of whom were infected and many who were not. The researchers followed 391 people who were diagnosed based on their symptoms, and 1,286 of their close contacts to see whether they tested positive for the virus even if they didn’t show symptoms. Overall, the team found that children under 10 who were potentially exposed to the virus were just as likely to become infected as other age groups, with about 7 and 8% of contacts of known cases later testing positive.

They also found that people who lived in the same household as an someone infected with the virus — and came into close contact with them — were about six time mores likely get infected, compared with people who made contact with an infected person in other settings.

“This may be the first clear evidence that children are as susceptible as adults to SARS-CoV-2 infection,” says Ben Cowling, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong. He now wonders whether the fact that outbreaks haven’t been observed in schools could be down to the fact that children’s symptoms are mild.

Lessler says it’s still not clear whether children are important in transmitting the virus, as they are with influenza, where children routinely develop symptoms and are common hubs in chains of transmission. “That’s one of the current critical remaining questions and we’re trying to figure out how to answer,” he says. “I have a 7-month-old and a 6-year-old and I can’t imagine that, if they have any virus at all, they're not getting it on somebody.”

The study could have important implications for slowing the spread of the virus through measures such as school closures. “Once we say containment is not an option, we can’t ignore the kids,” says Lessler.

“This is a key piece of data that may support school closures as an effective intervention,” Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said in a 5 March tweet.


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00154-w

#2752 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 19:37
by omar little
mO k3 wrote: 06/03/2020 17:19 Nisam vidio da ima i ovdje tema ... kopy
Zena mi radi u jednoj bolnici u njemackoj , danas su imali miting gdje im je glavni sefn rekao da se ocekuje da ce svaki drugi u njemackoj da se razboli i da ce ovo trajati godinu i po ...

Receno im je jos da ako iko oboli od korona virusa morat ce dolaziti na posao ...
gospode boze :-) nigdje imena, nigdje lokacije, nigdje datuma, nigdje nista.

bacaju srbe lavovima.

#2753 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 19:38
by bubobih
omar little wrote: 06/03/2020 19:32 Children are just as likely to get infected with the new coronavirus as adults, finds one of the most detailed studies yet published on the spread of the virus, known as SARS-CoV-2. The analysis — based on data from Shenzhen, China — provides a partial answer to one of the most pressing questions surrounding the outbreak: the role of children.

Previous studies have suggested that kids were far less likely to develop severe symptoms when infected by the coronavirus, compared with other age groups. But it was not clear if it was because they weren’t getting infected or if they were fighting off the infection more effectively than others.

“Kids are just as likely to get infected and they’re not getting sick,” says Justin Lessler, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland. He co-led the study with Johns Hopkins epidemiologist Qifang Bi, and epidemiologists Ting Ma, at the Harbin Institute of Technology in Shenzhen, and Tiejian Feng, of the Shenzhen Center for Disease Control and Prevention. They posted the analysis to the medRxiv preprint server on 4 March.

The study is unique in that it looked at not only people who were infected with the virus, but also large numbers of their close contacts, some of whom were infected and many who were not. The researchers followed 391 people who were diagnosed based on their symptoms, and 1,286 of their close contacts to see whether they tested positive for the virus even if they didn’t show symptoms. Overall, the team found that children under 10 who were potentially exposed to the virus were just as likely to become infected as other age groups, with about 7 and 8% of contacts of known cases later testing positive.

They also found that people who lived in the same household as an someone infected with the virus — and came into close contact with them — were about six time mores likely get infected, compared with people who made contact with an infected person in other settings.

“This may be the first clear evidence that children are as susceptible as adults to SARS-CoV-2 infection,” says Ben Cowling, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong. He now wonders whether the fact that outbreaks haven’t been observed in schools could be down to the fact that children’s symptoms are mild.

Lessler says it’s still not clear whether children are important in transmitting the virus, as they are with influenza, where children routinely develop symptoms and are common hubs in chains of transmission. “That’s one of the current critical remaining questions and we’re trying to figure out how to answer,” he says. “I have a 7-month-old and a 6-year-old and I can’t imagine that, if they have any virus at all, they're not getting it on somebody.”

The study could have important implications for slowing the spread of the virus through measures such as school closures. “Once we say containment is not an option, we can’t ignore the kids,” says Lessler.

“This is a key piece of data that may support school closures as an effective intervention,” Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said in a 5 March tweet.


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00154-w
Svako moze copy paste, budi faca prevedi ljudima koji mozda ne razumiju.

#2754 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 19:40
by omar little
odrasti.

#2755 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 19:43
by jarobot
Znači kad nekakav uzročnik ,virus, zaprijetim debelim bijelim bogatim guzicama 60+ da bi ih mogao pokositi zbog starosti ,tad se blokiraju granice ,diže se medicina na noge ,svijet u panici...
A kad u svijetu savke godine umire na desetine hiljada djece od gladi u ratovima i u bijedi ,tad te debele bijele bogate guzice to mirno posmatraju i provode se na banketima . Ma ko ga šiša i trebao bi korona udar al žestok na ovakav licemjeran svijet.
Frka im je izgleda da nisu koronu istrenirali da ubija samo siromašne

#2756 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 19:50
by omar little
kina, koreja, japan.

#2757 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 19:51
by kakavdanakneiskustvu
omar little wrote: 06/03/2020 19:37
mO k3 wrote: 06/03/2020 17:19 Nisam vidio da ima i ovdje tema ... kopy
Zena mi radi u jednoj bolnici u njemackoj , danas su imali miting gdje im je glavni sefn rekao da se ocekuje da ce svaki drugi u njemackoj da se razboli i da ce ovo trajati godinu i po ...

Receno im je jos da ako iko oboli od korona virusa morat ce dolaziti na posao ...
gospode boze :-) nigdje imena, nigdje lokacije, nigdje datuma, nigdje nista.

bacaju srbe lavovima.
meni bode oči osobito ovo zadnje,da će osobe sa tim virusom morati ici na posao

#2758 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 19:55
by omar little
kakavdanakneiskustvu wrote: 06/03/2020 19:51
omar little wrote: 06/03/2020 19:37
mO k3 wrote: 06/03/2020 17:19 Nisam vidio da ima i ovdje tema ... kopy
gospode boze :-) nigdje imena, nigdje lokacije, nigdje datuma, nigdje nista.

bacaju srbe lavovima.
meni bode oči osobito ovo zadnje,da će osobe sa tim virusom morati ici na posao
meni bode oci da osoba relativno normalne inteligencije moze ovako nesto 1) uzeti kao validnu informaciju 2) siriti okolo.

#2759 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 19:57
by kakavdanakneiskustvu
omar little wrote: 06/03/2020 19:55
kakavdanakneiskustvu wrote: 06/03/2020 19:51
omar little wrote: 06/03/2020 19:37

gospode boze :-) nigdje imena, nigdje lokacije, nigdje datuma, nigdje nista.

bacaju srbe lavovima.
meni bode oči osobito ovo zadnje,da će osobe sa tim virusom morati ici na posao
meni bode oci da osoba relativno normalne inteligencije moze ovako nesto 1) uzeti kao validnu informaciju 2) siriti okolo.
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#2760 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 20:16
by CPT
Slovenija: 8

6. i 7. radnici u bolnici (Maribor), 8. doktor (ZD Metlika)... Drugi bi mogao biti pocetak za sirenja u pravcu Karlovac/Bihac.

#2761 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 20:17
by mO k3
Nijemci imaju straha da će im zdravstevni sistem da kolabira .....

I ja sam danas bio iznenađen kada mi je to rekla

#2762 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 20:26
by Tempo
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#2763 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 20:38
by zposao
jarobot wrote: 06/03/2020 19:43 Znači kad nekakav uzročnik ,virus, zaprijetim debelim bijelim bogatim guzicama 60+ da bi ih mogao pokositi zbog starosti ,tad se blokiraju granice ,diže se medicina na noge ,svijet u panici...
A kad u svijetu savke godine umire na desetine hiljada djece od gladi u ratovima i u bijedi ,tad te debele bijele bogate guzice to mirno posmatraju i provode se na banketima . Ma ko ga šiša i trebao bi korona udar al žestok na ovakav licemjeran svijet.
Frka im je izgleda da nisu koronu istrenirali da ubija samo siromašne
Nemože neko biti debel i druge rase? Bogat i druge rase? Gofno od čovjeka i druge rase?

Čemu više taj (auto)rasizam ?

#2764 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 21:01
by kakavdanakneiskustvu

#2765 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 21:15
by mO k3
Totalna panika , nema nigdje vise kupiti za dezinfekciji ruku i ono sto ima gledaj Amazon traže 50 euro za flašu koja inače košta 10
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#2766 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 21:16
by Zeleni12
Ova korona virus, ako potraje ce unistiti turizam, i sve te povezane djelatnosti ugostiteljstvo, prevoz...okidac za novu recesiju, vec smo 12 godina bez svjetske recesije.

#2767 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 21:32
by freelancerBIH
Zeleni12 wrote: 06/03/2020 21:16
Ova korona virus, ako potraje ce unistiti turizam, i sve te povezane djelatnosti ugostiteljstvo, prevoz...okidac za novu recesiju, vec smo 12 godina bez svjetske recesije.
Ne samo turizam.... Ima potencijal da se rasiri u tolikoj mjeri - pobije nevidjen broj ljudi - vise nego ijedan drugi virus ... A mi ovdje pricamo samo o turizmu. Jebo turizam ako ce ljudi umirat!

#2768 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 21:57
by plain vanilla
Ovo lici na dugo najavljivani smak svijeta.
Ne mislim na trenutno stanje nego na moguce posljedice trenutnog stanja.

#2769 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 22:02
by freelancerBIH
plain vanilla wrote: 06/03/2020 21:57 Ovo lici na dugo najavljivani smak svijeta.
Ne mislim na trenutno stanje nego na moguce posljedice trenutnog stanja.
Apokalipsa ne dolazi u obzir - kolaps cijele svjetske ekonomije - DA!

U principu ako se ispostavi tacna stopa smrtnosti od 3.4% u prosjeku - i ako se nastavi sirit (A procjene strucnjaka su da ce zarazit 50-70% ljudske populacije kroz iducih par godina) - ne pise nam se dobro nimalo :roll:

#2770 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 22:07
by caros
freelancerBIH wrote: 06/03/2020 21:32
Zeleni12 wrote: 06/03/2020 21:16
Ova korona virus, ako potraje ce unistiti turizam, i sve te povezane djelatnosti ugostiteljstvo, prevoz...okidac za novu recesiju, vec smo 12 godina bez svjetske recesije.
Ne samo turizam.... Ima potencijal da se rasiri u tolikoj mjeri - pobije nevidjen broj ljudi - vise nego ijedan drugi virus ... A mi ovdje pricamo samo o turizmu. Jebo turizam ako ce ljudi umirat!
Naporan si i dosadan

#2771 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 22:25
by TheRealist
freelancerBIH wrote: 06/03/2020 22:02 Apokalipsa ne dolazi u obzir - kolaps cijele svjetske ekonomije - DA!

U principu ako se ispostavi tacna stopa smrtnosti od 3.4% u prosjeku - i ako se nastavi sirit (A procjene strucnjaka su da ce zarazit 50-70% ljudske populacije kroz iducih par godina) - ne pise nam se dobro nimalo :roll:
Čak i da se desi veliko širenje, do tada ćemo vjerovatno imati vakcinu, ali ono što je sigurno je da ćemo do tada znati koji od lijekova najbolje djeluju, što će samo smanjiti i smrtnost i vrijeme provedeno u intenzivnim njegama. A s obzirom da ćemo puno više znati o virusu, neće se ni ovakve mjere više poduzimati.

A što se tiče ekonomije, svoje posljedice će imati, ali ako bi se stvarno ovoliki broj pacijenata zarazio, ono što bi se vrlo lako desilo je to da bi se rasteretili penzioni fondovi, a i zdravstveni sistem, s obzirom da je smrtnost najveća među onima koji to najviše i koriste. To naravno ne možemo gledati kao nešto pozitivno, s obzirom na način na koji bi se desilo, ali da će baš uništiti ekonomiju, teško.

#2772 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 06/03/2020 23:18
by freelancerBIH
TheRealist wrote: 06/03/2020 22:25
freelancerBIH wrote: 06/03/2020 22:02 Apokalipsa ne dolazi u obzir - kolaps cijele svjetske ekonomije - DA!

U principu ako se ispostavi tacna stopa smrtnosti od 3.4% u prosjeku - i ako se nastavi sirit (A procjene strucnjaka su da ce zarazit 50-70% ljudske populacije kroz iducih par godina) - ne pise nam se dobro nimalo :roll:
Čak i da se desi veliko širenje, do tada ćemo vjerovatno imati vakcinu, ali ono što je sigurno je da ćemo do tada znati koji od lijekova najbolje djeluju, što će samo smanjiti i smrtnost i vrijeme provedeno u intenzivnim njegama. A s obzirom da ćemo puno više znati o virusu, neće se ni ovakve mjere više poduzimati.

A što se tiče ekonomije, svoje posljedice će imati, ali ako bi se stvarno ovoliki broj pacijenata zarazio, ono što bi se vrlo lako desilo je to da bi se rasteretili penzioni fondovi, a i zdravstveni sistem, s obzirom da je smrtnost najveća među onima koji to najviše i koriste. To naravno ne možemo gledati kao nešto pozitivno, s obzirom na način na koji bi se desilo, ali da će baš uništiti ekonomiju, teško.

A gdje je mogucnost da virus mutira (sto vec i jeste uradio - u varijantu koja se mnogo brze siri - i smrtonosniji je)...


Kako sam skontao postoje dva soja ovog virusa - S i L verzija .. S je verzija koja uzrokuje trenutnu pandemiju sirom svijeta, ali cirkulise i ova L verzija...


Ako virus nastavi dalje mutirat - vakcina koja se sad pravi ce biti besmislena ....

#2773 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 07/03/2020 00:14
by 512MB
plain vanilla wrote: 06/03/2020 21:57 Ovo lici na dugo najavljivani smak svijeta.
Ne mislim na trenutno stanje nego na moguce posljedice trenutnog stanja.
Smiri doživljaj :mrgreen:

Službeni izvještaj kineskih naučnika od juče:

"Prosječna starost umrlih je 81 godina, 90% ih je već bolovalo od jedne ili više bolesti."

#2774 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 07/03/2020 00:17
by plain vanilla
512MB wrote: 07/03/2020 00:14
plain vanilla wrote: 06/03/2020 21:57 Ovo lici na dugo najavljivani smak svijeta.
Ne mislim na trenutno stanje nego na moguce posljedice trenutnog stanja.
Smiri doživljaj :mrgreen:

Službeni izvještaj kineskih naučnika od juče:

"Prosječna starost umrlih je 81 godina, 90% ih je već bolovalo od jedne ili više bolesti."
Ne mislim da cemo svi pomrijeti sutra od korone.
AlI ovo vec utice na ekonomiju, a ako nastavi...otkazuju se turisticke posjete, koncerti, utakmice, letovi...vec trpi mnogo djelatnosti.
Manje para znaci manje hrane, lijekova...

#2775 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ?

Posted: 07/03/2020 00:46
by MedicinskiBrat
Svaki put kad pročitam bisere sve više i više sam glup :shock: