Sirija

[Banksy]

Even if Assad used chemical weapons, the west has no mandate to act as a global policeman

By ordering air strikes against Syria without UN security council support, Obama will be doing the same as Bush in 2003

The Guardian, http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -policeman



It is true that the UN security council is not a reliable global policeman. It may be slow to take action, or paralysed because of disagreement between members. But do we want the US or Nato or "alliances of willing states" as global policemen either? Unlike George Bush in 2003, the Obama administration is not trigger-happy and contemptuous of the United Nations and the rules of its charter, which allow the use of armed force only in self-defence or with an authorisation from the security council. Yet Obama, like Bush and Blair, seems ready to ignore the council and order armed strikes on Syria with political support from only the UK, France and some others.

Such action could not be "in self-defence" or "retaliation", as the US, the UK and France have not been attacked. To punish the Assad government for using chemical weapons would be the action of self-appointed global policemen – action that, in my view, would be very unwise.

While much evidence points to the guilt of the Assad regime, would not due process require that judgment and consideration of action take place in the UN security council and await the report of the inspectors that the UN has sent to Syria – at the demand of the UK and many other UN members?

We may agree with John Kerry, the US secretary of state, that the use of gas is a "moral obscenity", but would we not feel that "a measured and proportionate punishment", like striking at some missile sites or helicopter bases, is like telling the regime that "you can go on with your war but do stay away from the chemical weapons"? And what is the moral weight of the condemnation by nuclear weapons states of the use of gas as a serious war crime when they themselves will not accept a norm that would criminalise any first use of their own nuclear weapons?

It is hard to avoid the impression that the political and military developments now in overdrive stem partly from pressure exerted by the rebel side to trigger an American military intervention – by trying to hold President Obama to an earlier warning to Assad that a use of chemical weapons would alter his calculation. Equally, if not more important, may be a need felt by the Obama administration to avoid criticism for being hesitant and passive – and appearing like a paper tiger to countries such as Iran that have been warned that the US will not allow them to have nuclear weapons.

In 2003 the US and the UK and an alliance of "friendly states" invaded Iraq without the authorisation of the security council. A strong body of world opinion felt that this constituted a violation and an undermining of the UN charter. A quick punitive action in Syria today without UN authorisation would be another precedent, suggesting that great military powers can intervene militarily when they feel politically impelled to do so. (They did not intervene when Iraq used chemical weapons on a large scale in the war with Iran in the 1980s.)

So, what should the world reaction be to the use of chemical weapons? Clearly, evidence available – both from UN inspectors and from member states – should be placed before and judged by the security council. Even if the council could only conclude that chemical weapons had been used – and could not agree that the Assad regime alone was responsible – there would be a good chance of unanimous world condemnation. Global indignation about the use of chemical weapons is of value to strengthen the taboo.

Condemnation is not enough. With 100,000 killed and millions of refugees, the civil war itself is a "moral obscenity". The council must seek to achieve not just an end to chemical weapons use but an end to all weapons use, by a ceasefire. As was planned not long ago by the US and Russia, the council must seek to bring about a conference at which relevant parties and states can form an interim authority. The alternative is continued civil war in Syria and worsening international relations.

Is the ending of active hostilities totally unrealistic? Let us be clear that the government in Syria, as well as all rebel groups, depends upon a flow of weapons, munitions and money from the outside. Much is reported to come to the rebels from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey; and much is reported to come to the government from Russia and Iran. The supplier countries have leverage. Agreement should be sought, under the auspices of the security council, that all parties that have given such support demand that their clients accept a ceasefire – or risk losing further support.

[shibonja]

22 reasons why starting World War III in Middle East is a really bad idea
Part of channel(s): Syria (current event)

While most of the country is obsessing over Miley Cyrus, the Obama administration is preparing a military attack against Syria which has the potential of starting World War 3. In fact, it is being reported that cruise missile strikes could begin “as early as Thursday“. The Obama administration is pledging that the strikes will be “limited”, but what happens when the Syrians fight back?

What happens if they sink a US naval vessel or they have agents start hitting targets inside the United States? Then we would have a full-blown war on our hands. And what happens if the Syrians decide to retaliate by hitting Israel? If Syrian missiles start raining down on Tel Aviv, Israel will be extremely tempted to absolutely flatten Damascus, and they are more than capable of doing precisely that. And of course Hezbollah and Iran are not likely to just sit idly by as their close ally Syria is battered into oblivion.

We are looking at a scenario where the entire Middle East could be set aflame, and that might only be just the beginning. Russia and China are sternly warning the U.S. government not to get involved in Syria, and by starting a war with Syria we will do an extraordinary amount of damage to our relationships with those two global superpowers. Could this be the beginning of a chain of events that could eventually lead to a massive global conflict with Russia and China on one side and the United States on the other? Of course it will not happen immediately, but I fear that what is happening now is setting the stage for some really bad things. The following are 22 reasons why starting World War 3 in the Middle East is a really bad idea…

#1 The American people are overwhelmingly against going to war with Syria…

Americans strongly oppose US intervention in Syria’s civil war and believe Washington should stay out of the conflict even if reports that Syria’s government used deadly chemicals to attack civilians are confirmed, a Reuters/Ipsos poll says.

About 60 percent of Americans surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria’s civil war, while just 9 percent thought President Barack Obama should act.

#2 At this point, a war in Syria is even more unpopular with the American people than Congress is.

#3 The Obama administration has not gotten approval to go to war with Syria from Congress as the US Constitution requires.

#4 The United States does not have the approval of the United Nations to attack Syria and it is not going to be getting it.

#5 Syria has said that it will use ”all means available” to defend itself if the United States attacks. Would that include terror attacks in the United States itself?

#6 Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem made the following statement on Tuesday…

“We have two options: either to surrender, or to defend ourselves with the means at our disposal. The second choice is the best: we will defend ourselves”

#7 Russia has just sent their most advanced anti-ship missiles to Syria. What do you think would happen if images of sinking US naval vessels were to come flashing across our television screens?

#8 When the United States attacks Syria, there is a very good chance that Syria will attack Israel. Just check out what one Syrian official said recently…

A member of the Syrian Ba’ath national council Halef al-Muftah, until recently the Syrian propaganda minister’s aide, said on Monday that Damascus views Israel as “behind the aggression and therefore it will come under fire” should Syria be attacked by the United States.

In an interview for the American radio station Sawa in Arabic, President Bashar Assad’s fellow party member said: “We have strategic weapons and we can retaliate. Essentially, the strategic weapons are aimed at Israel.”

Al-Muftah stressed that the US’s threats will not influence the Syrain regime and added that “If the US or Israel err through aggression and exploit the chemical issue, the region will go up in endless flames, affecting not only the area’s security, but the world’s.”

#9 If Syria attacks Israel, the consequences could be absolutely catastrophic. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is promising that any attack will be responded to “forcefully“…

“We are not a party to this civil war in Syria but if we identify any attempt to attack us we will respond and we will respond forcefully”

#10 Hezbollah will likely do whatever it can to fight for the survival of the Assad regime. That could include striking targets inside both the United States and Israel.

#11 Iran’s closest ally is Syria. Will Iran sit idly by as their closest ally is removed from the chessboard?

#12 Starting a war with Syria will cause significant damage to our relationship with Russia. On Tuesday, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that the West is acting like a “monkey with a hand grenade.”

#13 Starting a war with Syria will cause significant damage to our relationship with China. And what will happen if the Chinese decide to start dumping the massive amount of US debt that it is holding? Interest rates would absolutely skyrocket and we would rapidly be facing a nightmare scenario.

#14 Dr. Jerome Corsi and Walid Shoebat have compiled some startling evidence that it was actually the Syrian rebels that the US is supporting that were responsible for the chemical weapons attack that is being used as justification to go to war with Syria…

With the assistance of former PLO member and native Arabic-speaker Walid Shoebat, WND has assembled evidence from various Middle Eastern sources that cast doubt on Obama administration claims the Assad government is responsible for last week’s attack.

#15 As Pat Buchanan recently noted, it would have made absolutely no sense for the Assad regime to use chemical weapons on defenseless women and children. The only people who would benefit from such an attack would be the rebels…

The basic question that needs to be asked about this horrific attack on civilians, which appears to be gas related, is: Cui bono?

To whose benefit would the use of nerve gas on Syrian women and children redound? Certainly not Assad’s, as we can see from the furor and threats against him that the use of gas has produced.

The sole beneficiary of this apparent use of poison gas against civilians in rebel-held territory appears to be the rebels, who have long sought to have us come in and fight their war.

#16 If the Saudis really want to topple the Assad regime, they should do it themselves. They should not expect the United States to do their dirty work for them.

#17 A former commander of US Central Command has said that a US attack on Syria would result in “a full-throated, very, very serious war“.

#18 A war in the Middle East will be bad for the financial markets. The Dow was down about 170 points today and concern about war with Syria was the primary reason.

#19 A war in the Middle East will cause the price of oil to go up. On Tuesday, the price of US oil rose to about $109 a barrel.

#20 There is no way in the world that the US government should be backing the Syrian rebels. As I discussed a few days ago, the rebels have pledged loyalty to al-Qaeda, they have beheaded numerous Christians and they have massacred entire Christian villages. If the US government helps these lunatics take power in Syria it will be a complete and utter disaster.

#21 A lot of innocent civilians inside Syria will end up getting killed. Already, a lot of Syrians are expressing concern about what “foreign intervention” will mean for them and their families…

“I’ve always been a supporter of foreign intervention, but now that it seems like a reality, I’ve been worrying that my family could be hurt or killed,” said one woman, Zaina, who opposes Assad. “I’m afraid of a military strike now.”

“The big fear is that they’ll make the same mistakes they made in Libya and Iraq,” said Ziyad, a man in his 50s. “They’ll hit civilian targets, and then they’ll cry that it was by mistake, but we’ll get killed in the thousands.”

#22 If the US government insists on going to war with Syria without the approval of the American people, the US Congress or the United Nations, we are going to lose a lot of friends and a lot of credibility around the globe. It truly is a sad day when Russia looks like “the good guys” and we look like “the bad guys”.

What good could possibly come out of getting involved in Syria? As I wrote about the other day, the “rebels” that Obama is backing are rabidly anti-Christian, rabidly anti-Israel and rabidly anti-western. If they take control of Syria, that nation will be far more unstable and far more of a hotbed for terrorism than it is now.

And the downside of getting involved in Syria is absolutely enormous. By attacking Syria, the United States could cause a major regional war to erupt in the Middle East which could eventually lead to World War 3.

I don’t know about you, but I think that starting World War 3 in the Middle East is a really bad idea.

Let us hope that cooler heads prevail before things spin totally out of control.

[celava_dlaka]

Rusija je najveci smrad kojeg mozete imati za saveznika

[Co0l]

Ja ba,bili nenaouruzani ko ovi u Egiptu

U pocetku jesu bili.Cak su i danas u odnosu na SAA daleko slabije naoruzani a kamoli na pocetku pobune.

Pa dobro, ali FSA ima podrsku naroda

Da nema i podrsku dijela naroda davno bi ratni zlocinac Asad ugusio pobunu.

[mrAdil]

odakle poceti,od pocetka uistinu tesko...
saudiju i izrael stavljati u istu recenicu,uistinu smijesno,skoro pa groteskno

To su dvije sestrinske države, nastale u istim uslovima, na ubijanju, pljački i protjerivanju.

[kljucna kost]

http://www.avaz.ba/globus/svijet/u-siri ... o-i-napalm

Fuj sta sve nece uraditi samo da rezim opstane.Ovo je zbilja previse,prvo hemija,sad napalm fuj dno dna.

To je samo ispoljavanje nemoci armije,jednostavno na terenu nemogu nista,armiji fali ljudstva,ovde neki pametnjakovici spominju nekakvu djecu i regrutovanje,heh .

Cijeli dan i noc samo bombarduju,a pjesadija im je kao i srbo-cetnicka jlovo jalovo,nemaju oni jasan cilj za sta se bore,dok mundzosi itekako znaju i redovno ih prase na terenu punkt po punkt sve do slobodne ne Alevitske Sirije

Ako Bog da.

P.S
dajte ljudi ima li kakvih video snimaka,nazalost jedina ljudina ovdje vise nista ne stavlja

[kljucna kost]

Pobunjenicima ne fali ljudstva ...

Fali im ljdstva. Da im ne fali nebi prisiljavali djecu po izbjeglickim kampovima van Sirije da idu u rat.

i ti to kao znas,

[Co0l]

Pa Bogomoljac (Salih),nije ni cudo sto ti je ovo vec treci-cetvrti nick na temi kad takve gluposti pises

[Shahab]

Breaking News »
Russia boosts its war fleet in east Mediterranean
DEBKAfile August 29, 2013, 12:19 PM (GMT+02:00)
A Russian anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser will be sent in the coming days to the eastern Mediterranean for “necessary adjustments” to its naval force in view of the Syrian crisis. This was reported by the Interfax news agency Thursday quoting the Russian armed forces general staff.
DEBKAfile: One of the vessels is the “Moskva” missile cruiser– flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet – which boasts the strongest fire power of any Russian warship.

Rusija šalje nove brodove u istočni Mediteran, između osatlih i razarač "Moskva".

[Avetinho]

Pise li tu (ne znam norveski, pa pitam) koliko "tih djecaka" pogine koji nisu imali srecu da pobjegnu u izbjeglicke logore pred asadistickim skudovima.

Nepise, ali pise da mobiliziraju maloljetnu djecu koja su eto uspjela da spasu glavu i pobjegnu van Sirije. Osim toga, njihovim familijama se uskracuje svaka humanitarna pomoc u koliko imaju sina od 14 godina koji nije otisao u "jihad".

A zasto ih zloupotrebljava ko stigne -- i za to isljucivu krivicu snosi Asadista, bas kao i za sve druge grozote koje se desavaju u Siriji.

Ma ja, Assad je kriv i sto je jucer u Hercegovini snijeg pao. Sa stanjem u kojemu se sirijski narod danas nalazi ,bjelosvjetski mundzosi, koji sude u presudjuju na sred ulice, nemaju nikakve veze?! Ma daj molim te uozbilji se...

Ono je samo prijateljski savjet. Imas li kakav bolji argument od "uozbilji se".
Poginulo 100,000 dusa, obogaljeno oko milion, raseljeno 4 miliona. Da bi Basar ostao na vlasti. Uozbilji se.
Baser Asad zeli ostati na vlasti koju mu je podario babo Hafez, u vjestackoj tvorevini Siriji.

[Avetinho]

Jesi li pregledao i Milosevicev miting na Gazimestanu? I tamo ih je bilo milion.

Da, bilo ih je milion na Gazimestanu. Nije valjda da mislis da se svijest onih milion koji su tada bili na Gazimestanu danas znatno promijenila ?

Pa ti potezes neke mitinge u Damasku od prije 3 godine. Da li mislis da se svijest onih milion koji su tada bili u Damasku danas znatno promijenila?

Asad je kokao stanovnistvo Sirije svim sredstvima. Da li su u pitanju skudovi, avijacija, teska artiljerija ili snajperi, ili ipak gasovi, vrlo je nebitno, bas kao i u svakom drugom ratu, npr. bosanskom. Koga briga -- onog sto je poginuo-- je li od skuda, sarina, snajpera ili u tajnoj miliciji? Asadista pokrenuo, ceka ga drska od metle. Ipak vidim da je mudar, zdusio u Iran, za svaki slucaj.

[Avetinho]

Niz bombaških napada u Iraku, ciljane šijitske četvrti u Bagdadu, ubijeno najmanje 80 osoba

Niz napada auto-bombama dogodio se tijekom jučerašnjeg dana diljem Bagdada i na nekim drugim mjestima u Iraku, ponajviše u dijelovima grada gdje žive Šijiti. Radi se o koordiniranim napadima protiv civila koji su jučer slavili kraj mjeseca Ramazana. Informacije govore kako je ubijeno preko 80 osoba, dok ih je najmanje 150 ranjeno.

12 auto-bombi eksplodiralo je na tržnicama, prometnim ulicama i parkovima gdje obitelji dolaze proslaviti blagdan. U vrijeme mjeseca Ramazana nasilje u Iraku, naročito u Bagdadu, je eskaliralo. Ovog utorka u napadu je ubijeno 50 osoba. Tijekom prošlog mjeseca u terorističkim napadima ubijeno je preko 1,000 ljudi u Iraku. To je najsmrtonosniji mjesec od 2008., ističu iz UN-a.

Iračko ministarstvo unutarnjih poslova navodi kako se zemlja nalazi pred "otvorenim ratom" zbog sektaških podjela u zemlji. Ulice Bagdada jučer su zatvorene, a grad nadziru brojne helikopterske patrole.

18 mjeseci je prošlo od povlačenja američke vojske iz Iraka. Sunitski islamistički militanti sve su snažniji i vrše sve češće napade, mahom protiv civila, dok u isto vrijeme tvrde kako se bore protiv većinski šijitske vlasti u zemlji. Rat u susjednoj Siriji znatno je utjecao na njihovo jačanje.

Niz bombaških napada u kafićima u Bagdadu i okolici, preko 20 mrtvih, ciljani mladići koji su došli pratiti utakmicu Real Madrid - Barcelona

Broj napada u zemlji raste sukladno rastu sektaških tenzija. Manjinski Suniti održali su niz prosvjeda protiv vlasti u kojoj dominiraju većinski Šijiti. No, većina prosvjeda u zemlji, koji se održavaju od kraja prošle godine bili su mirni, iza napada stoje većinom ekstremističke skupine kao što je Al-Qaida u Iraku i druge.

Eskalacija situacije u Iraku: naoružani militanti zauzeli grad sjeverno od Bagdada, na pomolu izbijanje sektaškog građanskog rata

Val nasilja u Iraku

U nizu bombaških napada najmanje 71 ljudi ubijeno


Najmanje 71 lice je poginulo, a više od 200 ih je ranjeno u seriji bombaških napada u Bagdadu i okolini, saopštili su izvori bliski policiji.

Jedan od napada izvršen je u naselju DŽisr Dijala, u jugoistočnom dijelu Bagdada gdje je sedam lica poginulo, a 23 ranjeno.

Od eksplozije dva automobila bombe u Sadr Sitiju, šiitskom kvartu u sjeveroistočnom dijelu Bagdada, poginulo je sedam lica.

Policijski izvori navode da su mete današnjih bombaških napada bili parkinzi, pijace i restorani u šest većinski šiitskih naselja u Bagdadu - Kazimijah, Sadr Siti, Šab, Šula, DŽamila i Mahmudija.

Za ove napade, koji su izgleda bili koordinisani, još niko nije preuzeo odgovornost.

Riječ je o najsmrtonosnijim napadima u jednom danu koji su u Bagdadu izvršeni nakon 10. avgusta, kraj mjeseca ramazana, kada je poginulo blizu 80 lica.

Nastavlja se kaotična situacija u Libiji: nakon blokade naftnih luka na istoku, krenuli još veći problemi na zapadu zemlje, militanti prekinuli glavni naftovod, isporuka pala na svega 200,000 barela po danu

"Uznemiren sam. Ovo je nešto ludo. Nemam što reći, ministarstvo obrane mora riješiti ovo", poručio je Omar Shakmak u razgovoru za Reuters. Informacije govore kako je stanje na zapadu zemlje sada još i gore nego na istoku gdje su militanti također doveli do smanjenja izvoza blokiravši ključne luke. Na istoku su militanti spremni - barem tako tvrde - na pregovore, no aktualne informacije sa zapada zemlje govore kako militanti uopće nisu predstavili svoje zahtjeve, samo su blokirali ključni naftovod.

Libija na rubu: MB vlasti pripremaju se za oružane sukobe i državni udar, militanti se mobiliziraju diljem zemlje, u Tripoliju se već noćima čuje pucnjava

Libija je na korak od eskalacije oružanih sukoba te mnogi u Tripoliju smatraju kako bi uskoro moglo doći do otvorenog konflikta između tzv. opozicionih snaga i vladajuće Muslimanske Braće, naročito nakon aktualnih događanja u Egiptu. Povrh toga tu su i militantne skupine koje već neko vrijeme pod blokadom drže glavne luke za izvoz nafte (vidi: Velika kriza u Libiji: diljem zemlje obustavljen izvoz nafte, pripadnici "snaga sigurnosti" blokirali luke i žele sami izvoziti naftu, vlasti pripremaju vojnu intervenciju).

Informacije govore kako se militantne skupine mobiliziraju diljem zemlje te kako se dvije ključne regije (od ukupno 3), Cirenaika i Fezzan, planiraju odvojiti od Tripolija. Izvoz nafte pao je za čak 70% otkako su militanti preuzeli kontrolu nad lukama. Centralne vlasti prijetile su kako će upotrijebiti silu, no postavlja se pitanje - koju silu? Vladajući Islamisti nemaju pod kontrolom čak ni cijeli Tripoli, da ni ne govorimo o drugim libijskim gradovima na obali i u unutrašnjosti.

Libijski parlament imenovao novog načelnika glavnog stožera, nastavljaju se nemiri u Bengaziju, bombe i raketni napadi na hotele u Tripoliju

Nemiri u Bengaziju i dalje traju, jučer navečer bivši policijski dužnosnik i njegov trogodišnji sin ranjeni su u eksploziji auto-bombe. Samo dan ranije jedan pripadnik snaga sigurnosti ranjen je također u eksploziji auto-bombe. U nedjelju je ozlijeđeno preko 40 osoba u eksplozijama koje su ciljale zgrade pravosuđa. Dan prije, u subotu, desio se masovni bijeg iz zatvora u bengaziju. Informacije govore kako je pobjeglo oko 1,100 zatvorenika.

Situacija je napeta i u Tripoliju - prema posljednjim informacijama libijske snage sigurnosti deaktivirale su desetak bombi koje su postavljene unutar jednog automobila koji je bio parkiran ispred ulaza luksuznog hotela u samom centru Tripolija. Informaciju su potvrdili iz ministarstva unutarnjih poslova. Incident dolazi nekoliko dana nakon što je jedan drugi hotel bio meta raketnog napada - cilj je promašen i raketa je pogodila obližnju rezidencijalnu zgradu.

Nemiri se šire Libijom od kraja prošlog tjedna. Prosvjednici u Libiji napali su urede Muslimanske Braće nakon atentata na istaknutog političkog aktivista. Abdelsalam al-Mismari upucan je i ubijen u petak nakon što je izlazio iz džamije u Bengaziju. Prosvjednici ističu kako iza atentata stoje Muslimanska Braća

Sirijska perspektiva nakon "neagresivne intervencije" amerikenjaca i "oslobadjanja" od "diktatora"...

Dugacko ti ovo. Ne mere se citat.

[Avetinho]

Hajmo se malo spustiti na zemlju.

Špekulacije da će Putin u slučaju pokretanja vojnih intervencija ka Siriji napasti Saudijsku Arabiju su smješne.

i to nuklearkama

zanimljiva tema... kada odrasli vjeruju u bajke

tuzno je nekako sto me ova tema cesce nasmije

Taman.

[Avetinho]

Pa tako nekako. Za Iran komotno mozes reci da je danas jednina muslimanska zemlja sa "zdravom" i unutrasnjom i vanjskom politikom.

LOL. Ako ovako mislis, onda nista ne znas o Iranu.
Iran je pizdarija koja ce svakog drugog rado poslati u rat za svoje ciljeve, osim sebe.
Hint: Sirija, Hezbolah.

[Avetinho]

Pobunjenicima ne fali ljudstva ...

Fali im ljdstva. Da im ne fali nebi prisiljavali djecu po izbjeglickim kampovima van Sirije da idu u rat.

Izbjeglickim kampovima? Ja sam mislio svi vole Asada -- nema izbjeglica.

[Alfons Kauders]

Pa Bogomoljac (Salih),nije ni cudo sto ti je ovo vec treci-cetvrti nick na temi kad takve gluposti pises

Kako je krenulo s antisemitizmom jos ce portal fasovat krivicnu prijavu... Pardon, to nije antisemitizam, to sad zovu antiglobalizmom ili neki kurac...

[Avetinho]

Breaking News »
Russia boosts its war fleet in east Mediterranean
DEBKAfile August 29, 2013, 12:19 PM (GMT+02:00)
A Russian anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser will be sent in the coming days to the eastern Mediterranean for “necessary adjustments” to its naval force in view of the Syrian crisis. This was reported by the Interfax news agency Thursday quoting the Russian armed forces general staff.
DEBKAfile: One of the vessels is the “Moskva” missile cruiser– flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet – which boasts the strongest fire power of any Russian warship.

Rusija šalje nove brodove u istočni Mediteran, između osatlih i razarač "Moskva".

Prde Hasa, masala.
Na sta je spao ovaj forum? Gdje su nestali giganti, sad moramo samo Shababa citati.

Eto Rusa, a Amerika i Engleska bice zemlja proleterska.

[Alfons Kauders]

Breaking News »
Russia boosts its war fleet in east Mediterranean
DEBKAfile August 29, 2013, 12:19 PM (GMT+02:00)
A Russian anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser will be sent in the coming days to the eastern Mediterranean for “necessary adjustments” to its naval force in view of the Syrian crisis. This was reported by the Interfax news agency Thursday quoting the Russian armed forces general staff.
DEBKAfile: One of the vessels is the “Moskva” missile cruiser– flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet – which boasts the strongest fire power of any Russian warship.

Rusija šalje nove brodove u istočni Mediteran, između osatlih i razarač "Moskva".

moskva nije razarac, a nije ni najmocniji ruski brod kako djeca s debke misle - to bi bio kirov.

a o snazi famozne ruske crnomorske flote bilo je rijeci prije par stranica... moskva, dva razaraca i pomocni brodovi - svi zastarjeli... mornarice turske ili grcke bi ih mogle pojesti za dorucak

[Co0l]

Pa Bogomoljac (Salih),nije ni cudo sto ti je ovo vec treci-cetvrti nick na temi kad takve gluposti pises

Koje gluposti?

Skoro svi su ti postovi takvi al da ne navodim sve,dovoljno je spomenuti ova zadnja dva da pobunjenicima fali ljudstva i tvoje pokusaje opravdanja Holokausta u maniru Ahmedinedzada.

[snaga_znanja]

Neki dan citam jedan proAsadovski clanak na temu hemijskog napada u kojem se tvrdi da je ovaj hemijski napad Sirijske markale. Dalje se inputira da su markale izvedene u reziji ABiH da bi se skrenula paznja medjunarodne zajednice.

Nadalje par dana pratim odjeke po svijetu i uglavnom se rusi kace za takav argument.

Kao neko ko je trpio Rusku pristranost i njihovo po "zakonu" mogu samo dati blagoslov svakom tomahavku koji poleti prema Asadovim bunkerima!

Do sada sam bio u modu zaboli me, ali kad vidim da se rezim koristi argumentima u javnosti kojim su se nasi domaci koljaci koristili meni ne treba veci dokaz ko je u tom ratu zrtva, a ko agresor.

Eto toliko..

[Avetinho]

Neki dan citam jedan proAsadovski clanak na temu hemijskog napada u kojem se tvrdi da je ovaj hemijski napad Sirijske markale. Dalje se inputira da su markale izvedene u reziji ABiH da bi se skrenula paznja medjunarodne zajednice.

Nadalje par dana pratim odjeke po svijetu i uglavnom se rusi kace za takav argument.

Kao neko ko je trpio Rusku pristranost i njihovo po "zakonu" mogu samo dati blagoslov svakom tomahavku koji poleti prema Asadovim bunkerima!

Do sada sam bio u modu zaboli me, ali kad vidim da se rezim koristi argumentima u javnosti kojim su se nasi domaci koljaci koristili meni ne treba veci dokaz ko je u tom ratu zrtva, a ko agresor.

Eto toliko..

Tacno.

[kljucna kost]

AAuuu ja jednostavno necu i nemogu da vjerujem,norv novinehehe..ajd ok

A da,Basar se sprema za bijek,sva njegova elita i lako naoruzanje su spremi na bjezanje,hehe,kuces Assade pa ti imas armiju imas snagu bori se za svoje Alavite hehe.Maskiraju se borodovi u Latakiji da bi izgledali sto neprimjetnije.
Ostao je sam smrad nema ni Komu Rusije a ni lajavog Irana da pritekne u pomoc

[Banksy]

Asadista pokrenuo ...

[ferum]

Rusija je najveci smrad kojeg mozete imati za saveznika

ma haaaajdeee ?

[Avetinho]

Asadista pokrenuo ...

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