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Reci mi konkretno 1 ime. I navedi link gdje pise da je ta osoba podrzala, tj potvrdila da "ima bar nesto, ako ne piramida" Zar je toliko tesko, kod tolikih naucnika i dokaza kako tvrdis???
A sto se tice "plocica" na pljesevici, koliko god to nevjerovatno zvucalo, ONO NIJE DJELO LJUDSKE RUKE nego PRIRODNA TVOREVINA.
Samo sto to ne konta obican svijet. Treba se ipak malo informisati o geologiji da bi se razumio nastanak onih formacija
Sta reci na ovo???
Steta pa se ubrajam u obican svijet koji vidi da je ono djelo ljudskih ruku, a mozda bi nas trebao bolje informisati o geologiji pa da vise vjerujemo tebi nego svojim ocima, jer ako su one poplocane povrsine nastale prirodnim putem ja neznam onda cu stvarno poceti sumnjati u svoj razum...
A zaista mislim da nevrijedi a i nemam volje raspravljati vise sa vama o ovoj temi jer mi nikako se nemili gubiti vrijeme u objasnjavanju nekih stvari kad unaprijed znam vase odgovore jer cini mi se da je vas zadatak popljuvati sve ovo sto se desava oko piramida koje i kad bi sutra se ugledale neko od vas "kontrasa" bi rekao "ma vidi je kakva je ruzna, bolje da nije iskopana smijace nam se svijet"...
Imate svi lijepo mahanje do slijedeceg prepucavanja
Reci mi konkretno 1 ime. I navedi link gdje pise da je ta osoba podrzala, tj potvrdila da "ima bar nesto, ako ne piramida" Zar je toliko tesko, kod tolikih naucnika i dokaza kako tvrdis???
A sto se tice "plocica" na pljesevici, koliko god to nevjerovatno zvucalo, ONO NIJE DJELO LJUDSKE RUKE nego PRIRODNA TVOREVINA.
Samo sto to ne konta obican svijet. Treba se ipak malo informisati o geologiji da bi se razumio nastanak onih formacija
Sta reci na ovo???
Steta pa se ubrajam u obican svijet koji vidi da je ono djelo ljudskih ruku, a mozda bi nas trebao bolje informisati o geologiji pa da vise vjerujemo tebi nego svojim ocima, jer ako su one poplocane povrsine nastale prirodnim putem ja neznam onda cu stvarno poceti sumnjati u svoj razum...
A zaista mislim da nevrijedi a i nemam volje raspravljati vise sa vama o ovoj temi jer mi nikako se nemili gubiti vrijeme u objasnjavanju nekih stvari kad unaprijed znam vase odgovore jer cini mi se da je vas zadatak popljuvati sve ovo sto se desava oko piramida koje i kad bi sutra se ugledale neko od vas "kontrasa" bi rekao "ma vidi je kakva je ruzna, bolje da nije iskopana smijace nam se svijet"...
Imate svi lijepo mahanje do slijedeceg prepucavanja
Eeeh, piramidasi, nikada pamet u vasu glavu.
Ko je pricao da postoje piramide po brdima oko Visokog?
I ko se sada izvlaci frazama "pa eto, nesto je"?
Pa naravno da ima tu i tamo koji ostatak nekog starog puta ili gradjevine ili razbijenih glinenih boca, posto je to prije bio KRALJEVSKI GRAD VISOKI, jaro moj. Normalno je da je ta stara kultura (ali sigurno ne 27.000 godina stara) nesto i ostavila iza sebe. I siguno nije bio taj kraljevski grad velicine jedne prosjecne baste, kako su ga titulirali Osmanagic i njegov proteze Hodovic.
Ali, o tome se ne radi nego --> nije piramida, niti je "piramidalnog oblika".
O tome se radi i ne izvlacite se recenicama poput "pa eto, jeste da nije piramida, ali bit ce nesto, posto sam ja vidiJo da je tako".
Nikoga ovdje ne interesira ko je sta vidio, nego kako se sve to putem NAUCNIH metoda klasificira?
Pa naravno da ce biti na tone prirodnih slojeva, kamenja, prirodno gradjenih tunela i rupa. Pa sta drugo da nadjes tamo, kada nas PRIRODA okruzuje?
Neces valjda naci vakuum i antimateriju!
Uostalom, da se ne prepirem puno ovdje, idi na ovaj link...covjek je pravi geolog i objasnjava vam u detalje, kako da tumacite svo ono iskopano kamenje, koje sacinjava 99% Osmanagicevih iskopina.
Pa naravno da ima tu i tamo koji ostatak nekog starog puta ili gradjevine ili razbijenih glinenih boca, posto je to prije bio KRALJEVSKI GRAD VISOKI, jaro moj. Normalno je da je ta stara kultura (ali sigurno ne 27.000 godina stara) nesto i ostavila iza sebe. I siguno nije bio taj kraljevski grad velicine jedne prosjecne baste, kako su ga titulirali Osmanagic i njegov proteze Hodovic.
Ali, o tome se ne radi nego --> nije piramida, niti je "piramidalnog oblika".
O tome se radi i ne izvlacite se recenicama poput "pa eto, jeste da nije piramida, ali bit ce nesto, posto sam ja vidiJo da je tako".
Nikoga ovdje ne interesira ko je sta vidio, nego kako se sve to putem NAUCNIH metoda klasificira?
Pa naravno da ce biti na tone prirodnih slojeva, kamenja, prirodno gradjenih tunela i rupa. Pa sta drugo da nadjes tamo, kada nas PRIRODA okruzuje?
Neces valjda naci vakuum i antimateriju!
Uostalom, da se ne prepirem puno ovdje, idi na ovaj link...covjek je pravi geolog i objasnjava vam u detalje, kako da tumacite svo ono iskopano kamenje, koje sacinjava 99% Osmanagicevih iskopina.
Samo jedno pitanje.
Jeli to onaj STARI GRAD VISOKI sto ga nasi medunarodno poznati i priznati arheolozi izkopase ispod /manje vise/dva metra zemlje?
Jeli to ona zasticena zona STAROG GRADA 30x60 ili 60x30m koju vec pomenuti arheolozi ogradise i jos napljuvase Semira i ostale kako je narusavaju?
Last edited by sen on 08/08/2006 10:41, edited 1 time in total.
Babayaro wrote:
Sta reci na ovo???
Steta pa se ubrajam u obican svijet koji vidi da je ono djelo ljudskih ruku, a mozda bi nas trebao bolje informisati o geologiji pa da vise vjerujemo tebi nego svojim ocima, jer ako su one poplocane povrsine nastale prirodnim putem ja neznam onda cu stvarno poceti sumnjati u svoj razum...
A zaista mislim da nevrijedi a i nemam volje raspravljati vise sa vama o ovoj temi jer mi nikako se nemili gubiti vrijeme u objasnjavanju nekih stvari kad unaprijed znam vase odgovore jer cini mi se da je vas zadatak popljuvati sve ovo sto se desava oko piramida koje i kad bi sutra se ugledale neko od vas "kontrasa" bi rekao "ma vidi je kakva je ruzna, bolje da nije iskopana smijace nam se svijet"...
Imate svi lijepo mahanje do slijedeceg prepucavanja
Eeeh, piramidasi, nikada pamet u vasu glavu.
Ko je pricao da postoje piramide po brdima oko Visokog?
I ko se sada izvlaci frazama "pa eto, nesto je"?
Pa naravno da ima tu i tamo koji ostatak nekog starog puta ili gradjevine ili razbijenih glinenih boca, posto je to prije bio KRALJEVSKI GRAD VISOKI, jaro moj. Normalno je da je ta stara kultura (ali sigurno ne 27.000 godina stara) nesto i ostavila iza sebe. I siguno nije bio taj kraljevski grad velicine jedne prosjecne baste, kako su ga titulirali Osmanagic i njegov proteze Hodovic.
Ali, o tome se ne radi nego --> nije piramida, niti je "piramidalnog oblika".
O tome se radi i ne izvlacite se recenicama poput "pa eto, jeste da nije piramida, ali bit ce nesto, posto sam ja vidiJo da je tako".
Nikoga ovdje ne interesira ko je sta vidio, nego kako se sve to putem NAUCNIH metoda klasificira?
Pa naravno da ce biti na tone prirodnih slojeva, kamenja, prirodno gradjenih tunela i rupa. Pa sta drugo da nadjes tamo, kada nas PRIRODA okruzuje?
Neces valjda naci vakuum i antimateriju!
Uostalom, da se ne prepirem puno ovdje, idi na ovaj link...covjek je pravi geolog i objasnjava vam u detalje, kako da tumacite svo ono iskopano kamenje, koje sacinjava 99% Osmanagicevih iskopina.
Samo jedno pitanje.
Jeli to onaj STARI GRAD VISOKI sto ga nasi medunarodno poznati i priznati arheolozi izkopase ispod /manje vise/dva metra zemlje?
Jeli to ona zasticena zona STAROG GRADA 30x60 ili 60x30m koju vec pomenuti arheolozi ogradise i jos napljuvase Semira i ostale kako je narusavaju?
Jeste upravo taj. I Visocica je naravno na dosta mjesta poktivena ostacima TOG starog grada za koji pitas. Ali sigurno se ne radi o PIRAMIDI
sen wrote:
Samo jedno pitanje.
Jeli to onaj STARI GRAD VISOKI sto ga nasi medunarodno poznati i priznati arheolozi izkopase ispod /manje vise/dva metra zemlje?
Jeli to ona zasticena zona STAROG GRADA 30x60 ili 60x30m koju vec pomenuti arheolozi ogradise i jos napljuvase Semira i ostale kako je narusavaju?
sen duso, shvati ne radi se o tome ima li nesto ili nema,vec o tome ima li piramide ili nema.
Mogao je ujka Sem doci i reci"ima nesto,da vidimo sta" pa bi svi bili zadovoljni.Ali on je dosao sa vec gotovom teorijom i o piramidama.
jos se raja nada da ce ko dalmosi prodavat muda za bubrege turistima... ccccc... nikad nece bosnjo doci pameti.... ili jos bolje... sto kokuz zamisli to ni lokomotiva nemre povuc...
Gospon Macola wrote:
Uostalom, da se ne prepirem puno ovdje, idi na ovaj link...covjek je pravi geolog i objasnjava vam u detalje, kako da tumacite svo ono iskopano kamenje, koje sacinjava 99% Osmanagicevih iskopina. http://geolog-mrak.bloger.hr/
Kako to da taj tvoj mrak geolog (svanuće i njemu,....valjda), kad je tako stručan i ima takvo znanje, nije kufere u ruke i zapalio za Visoko. Onda fino pozove i novinare pa lijepo objasni nama neukima da je sve što je otkopano nastalo djelovanjem prirodnih sila. Da je moguće, čak i normalno da se ispod nekakvih slojeva gline,pjeska i koječega nađe sloj kamena, pa onda opet ide red gline red pjeska ....... Da su ti slojevi kamena ispucali pod dejstvom prirodnih sila, onako nasitno, od potresa, valjda (malo se zemlja zatrese a ono ispuca ko šoferšajba). *ebote, ispade da je Plješevica bila na vibracionom stolu, a i tako nisam siguran da bi se kameni slojevi (kako to kaže mrak geolog) onako zdrobili.
Vjerovatno i ovo ima veze sa tim prirodnim formiranjem slojeva.
seljak_cojek wrote:Evo još materijala za analizu "mrak geologa"
Slike su sa vrha Plješevice.Više na http://www.rtv-visoko.ba
Kako su samo fino ispucali ovi s.l.o.j.e.v.i kao reče "mrak geolog"
Cijenim tvoje ucesce na ovom forumu i mislim da si daleko iznad svih ovdje ostao stalozen i argumentirano (fotografijama ili sl.) popratis svaki svoj komentar. Ali gdje ti je ovdje piramida prijatelju???
Sorry for the lack of updates, but we have many problems with little time to post anything, plus there are incompatibilities with the software we are using.
Robert sent one photo to Greg of a close up of the layers of strata underneath the so-called “stone pavement” to show scale and size. He placed his hammer on the ledge of strata, unfortunately Robert did not compose a proper letter to Greg to explain the graphics as he wanted to show how the pavement is of natural formation and not manmade, but in a subtle way, not just come out and say, “hey, this is natural and not man made.” It is only man made in the areas it seems when it is deemed needed to create a pyramid structure; that is, like a manufactured pyramid. Photos do not do justice, you must see for yourself or be an educated geologist to see how the strata folds and the layers they are calling pavement are of natural stone and not man made block. I hate to break the news like this, we were hoping to send more photos but find it very difficult. The angle of the Pyramid taken from the air was to show the other sides that are not shown, as the only side that really looks like a pyramid is the only picture that is usually portrayed. We have been to the top and looked hard for any evidence of man made or another involvement of ancient origin, and we are not finding it. We have not talked to Sammie about this yet as he is in Croatia right now.
We do not know what to think – well, we do, but do not know yet how to express it without hurting anyone or taking away from any persons’ dream. There will need to be more evidence somewhere to make me believe it is an ancient pyramid, and I will speak little for Schoch, but he feels the same – we have many samples, none of which are showing ancient man made intervention to create a pyramid. I was thinking of the Rorschach test or however you spell it, one person can see one thing and another a very different object form the same picture, but when you use scientific methodology and really understand geology, fault lines, plastics, clay, sedimentary rock, bedrock, breccia ...on and on...you begin to see how time has created a weird picture form one die that can be interpreted as a pyramid, but, well, how can I say it? So far no scientific evidence of a pyramid, and there is one picture Greg has that he did not know what it was because Robert did not write out and compose a letter to explain more properly due to this. So he was very terse in his captions and did not state that the picture of the hammer and the close up of the strata underneath the pavement would explain very much to the educated eye or even the eye of a person who has the ability to figure things out. We are in a difficult position here; I will have to explain later when I am able to write.
You understand my problem with writing, now it is even more difficult with this keyboard and lack of energy. There are many people who are living for this and many people who do not understand what is going on, but are just going with the flow. I am so glad I have been able to see for myself. I will have to wait and write an article – I have taken many pictures. There are many people who believe, many people who know what is going on, but go along with it as it helps the economy. I feel very sad. I feel bad to break the news that maybe there is no pyramid, but I came here to find out for myself as other newspapers were writing contradicting articles and were wrong and rude and too much gossip. I now know, and I feel terrible for the many people whom I must be responsible for easing them into another form of future hope to put their heart into. It is hard to explain, it will be better when I get home.
Yes Kat, I know, I remember about the ice, but there is no ice here for that. It is terribly hot, I must get up at 5:30 AM to start my medication then I meet up at 7 through 9 with the other people or I have drivers. Many things change daily and I do not know what to do until the klix morning. I hope to fly on Monday, and shoot some aerial shots on the video.
I am very tired. Robert is working on comparing some photos of what we took with another person, and I am here, then I go to dinner and will do some interviews if this man shows up. But I am too tired. It is very emotionally draining in many ways. The tunnels, well, as I told you I had received a report before I left...well the report was not true, I do not know why that geologist would write a false report. I would have never gone into the tunnels if I would have known what they were really like, they could have caved in man times and I told Sammie about the problems with the report, but he had never received it as he told me. So I wonder why would I be sent a false report or a report that does not match up to what the tunnels really are. I will not go into them again, although it was worth the experience, but very hard. I got some video of it.
Also, the inscriptions, the letter E on the famous rock that as found in the tunnels. Well, sorry to tell you this, but those inscriptions were not in the tunnels on that rock initially, I spoke many times with the geologist who first entered those tunnels and found the rock and was in the tunnel many times – those inscriptions were never there, then one morning they just showed up. Now there are more. So, the inscriptions that are on that rock are not true. I hope for the people who thought and wished them to be evidence of some ancient language understand that I am not trying to hurt any one, I am telling the truth. There has been many deceptive happenings here I have become aware of through my investigations. I am to write that up, Robert will write up the geology. I help with half of the geology by pointing things out I see and then I photograph and assist and such, and then discuss and interview. I have talked to many people, so I know quite a bit now.
I wish to get more pictures to you, but they are on my video and on my camera and memory cards, also Robert’s camera, but he has problems with the time to focus on getting things done as there is much demand being placed upon us. Today I just slept, and then tried to walk later and take a break. There were some Germans to come and do some geo-radar, but they were stopped at the Croatian border and were not allowed by Croatia to cross the border with the equipment, or so the story goes...who really knows?
I will meet up with Sammie in another day or so. He is away so I am taking a break from all of this and trying to put things into perspective. I saw much in the newspapers that contradicted other stories – I now see some truths, I see how others have played games, but I see how the newspapers and forums have played bad games and made up stories and used their forums to insult when they should not have. So, I am in a position when I must tell the truth, and I will, I will always keep z integrity and not sell out.
I did hear that Dr Zahi Hawass was interviewed by an ‘Amer’, a student journalist from Egypt. I had arranged an interview with this person before I had left. He showed up last night, but I declined an interview and I knew Robert was in no frame of mind to be interviewed either. So, there has been much going on!
The politics, I mean the real politics of this country are in a way scary. I had this feeling that something was happening with elections and that there was something going on with politics and people in powerful places. I just found out the other day there are elections coming up in September. I met the former president of the whole of Yugoslavia the other day and many other politicians. Well, I wish for Greg to post that picture that Robert sent with the hammer and the layers of strata to show how the pavement is just another layer of natural formation and not that of a side walk or terrace [ed's note: done]. The sections you see are cut out of the side of the mountain and they are cleaned up to look like they are part of a complex, as if the so-called pyramid is being manufactured when they find something they can “add on” to create it. It has changed very much. Also, there were some areas recovered that showed some geological formations that were very important, as they presented evidence that was not in favor of a real pyramid. All of this is difficult for me to write and I can barely sit here right now. I will try to write again. Robert is having problems too, this has affected us severely, all of the weird things, which will take time to explain in a proper article when I am able to express clearly everything that is going on.
But, what you see, just please realize may not be what is said it is, that is all I can say, and I might have said too much all ready – but I am telling the truth. So, please Greg if you read this, will you please post that photo that Robert sent with the hammer and strata so that people can see the layers and the situation with the pavement [top image on this page, click for larger version].
I also thank everyone very much for their support, as this has been the most difficult trip for me this time. Nothing like Peru, very severe and much different. But, I must say, the Bosnian people themselves are beautiful and lovely people. I feel bad for them when the truth will be revealed in the future at some point in time. It will be a very difficult and sensitive situation for me to have to write it out, and I cannot prematurely do it until I fully understand why this is going on. I do understand some of it – and I am shocked – but you know what, that is why we are here, to see for ourselves.
Thank you, I only have to hang on a few more days here and then we move to Sarajevo and catch our flight in a few more days. Thank you for everything, sorry if I hurt anyone, but I must always tell the truth. I will know more later.
A možemo li umjesto linkova na blogove raznih anonimusa, dobiti tvoj lični komentar na moja dva prethodna posta u vezi sa objašnjenjima "mrak geologa". Samo da ne bude u stilu:"Piramide nema zato što je Semir plavokos".
seljak_cojek wrote:A možemo li umjesto linkova na blogove raznih anonimusa, dobiti tvoj lični komentar na moja dva prethodna posta u vezi sa objašnjenjima "mrak geologa". Samo da ne bude u stilu:"Piramide nema zato što je Semir plavokos".
Vidim, imas problema da komentiras sve lazi od strane Semketa i njegovih jarana, a tjeras druge da ti pod svaku cijenu odgovore.
Ali, evo ti vrlo jednostavnog odgovora na tvoje pitanje: Visocica je bila stoljecima koristena i od Bosanaca i od Rimljana i od Ilira i sasvim LOGICNO je da je tu i tamo ostao po koji put, zidina, pa i klozet ako treba.
To je nesto sasvim logicno, jer su ljudi uvijek gradili infrastrukture za zivot.
Eh, da deder ti sad meni objasni sto se ovi Semirovi suradnici ogradjuju od njega, sto pisu da su ona slova u kamenju falsificirana, sto Semir ne spominje vise dr. Schocha i dr. Dowell, sto Semir ne spominje vise dr. Barakata, kako to moze biti da dr. Hawass nije poslao Barakata, a da Semir nista ne kaze na to (pa cak ni da ne odgovara zbog lazi).
Ehehe, vidis, ima tovar neodgovorenih pitanja ...
Bilo kako bilo: piramide nema i to je svima jasno.
Cak ce i Semir prije priznati da je nema, no sto cete to vi uciniti. Jer, ode lova, od turista lova, kuku lele....
Gospon Macola wrote:Sorry for the lack of updates, but we have many problems with little time to post anything, plus there are incompatibilities with the software we are using.
Robert sent one photo to Greg of a close up of the layers of strata underneath the so-called “stone pavement” to show scale and size. He placed his hammer on the ledge of strata, unfortunately Robert did not compose a proper letter to Greg to explain the graphics as he wanted to show how the pavement is of natural formation and not manmade, but in a subtle way, not just come out and say, “hey, this is natural and not man made.” It is only man made in the areas it seems when it is deemed needed to create a pyramid structure; that is, like a manufactured pyramid. Photos do not do justice, you must see for yourself or be an educated geologist to see how the strata folds and the layers they are calling pavement are of natural stone and not man made block. I hate to break the news like this, we were hoping to send more photos but find it very difficult. The angle of the Pyramid taken from the air was to show the other sides that are not shown, as the only side that really looks like a pyramid is the only picture that is usually portrayed. We have been to the top and looked hard for any evidence of man made or another involvement of ancient origin, and we are not finding it. We have not talked to Sammie about this yet as he is in Croatia right now.
We do not know what to think – well, we do, but do not know yet how to express it without hurting anyone or taking away from any persons’ dream. There will need to be more evidence somewhere to make me believe it is an ancient pyramid, and I will speak little for Schoch, but he feels the same – we have many samples, none of which are showing ancient man made intervention to create a pyramid. I was thinking of the Rorschach test or however you spell it, one person can see one thing and another a very different object form the same picture, but when you use scientific methodology and really understand geology, fault lines, plastics, clay, sedimentary rock, bedrock, breccia ...on and on...you begin to see how time has created a weird picture form one die that can be interpreted as a pyramid, but, well, how can I say it? So far no scientific evidence of a pyramid, and there is one picture Greg has that he did not know what it was because Robert did not write out and compose a letter to explain more properly due to this. So he was very terse in his captions and did not state that the picture of the hammer and the close up of the strata underneath the pavement would explain very much to the educated eye or even the eye of a person who has the ability to figure things out. We are in a difficult position here; I will have to explain later when I am able to write.
You understand my problem with writing, now it is even more difficult with this keyboard and lack of energy. There are many people who are living for this and many people who do not understand what is going on, but are just going with the flow. I am so glad I have been able to see for myself. I will have to wait and write an article – I have taken many pictures. There are many people who believe, many people who know what is going on, but go along with it as it helps the economy. I feel very sad. I feel bad to break the news that maybe there is no pyramid, but I came here to find out for myself as other newspapers were writing contradicting articles and were wrong and rude and too much gossip. I now know, and I feel terrible for the many people whom I must be responsible for easing them into another form of future hope to put their heart into. It is hard to explain, it will be better when I get home.
Yes Kat, I know, I remember about the ice, but there is no ice here for that. It is terribly hot, I must get up at 5:30 AM to start my medication then I meet up at 7 through 9 with the other people or I have drivers. Many things change daily and I do not know what to do until the klix morning. I hope to fly on Monday, and shoot some aerial shots on the video.
I am very tired. Robert is working on comparing some photos of what we took with another person, and I am here, then I go to dinner and will do some interviews if this man shows up. But I am too tired. It is very emotionally draining in many ways. The tunnels, well, as I told you I had received a report before I left...well the report was not true, I do not know why that geologist would write a false report. I would have never gone into the tunnels if I would have known what they were really like, they could have caved in man times and I told Sammie about the problems with the report, but he had never received it as he told me. So I wonder why would I be sent a false report or a report that does not match up to what the tunnels really are. I will not go into them again, although it was worth the experience, but very hard. I got some video of it.
Also, the inscriptions, the letter E on the famous rock that as found in the tunnels. Well, sorry to tell you this, but those inscriptions were not in the tunnels on that rock initially, I spoke many times with the geologist who first entered those tunnels and found the rock and was in the tunnel many times – those inscriptions were never there, then one morning they just showed up. Now there are more. So, the inscriptions that are on that rock are not true. I hope for the people who thought and wished them to be evidence of some ancient language understand that I am not trying to hurt any one, I am telling the truth. There has been many deceptive happenings here I have become aware of through my investigations. I am to write that up, Robert will write up the geology. I help with half of the geology by pointing things out I see and then I photograph and assist and such, and then discuss and interview. I have talked to many people, so I know quite a bit now.
I wish to get more pictures to you, but they are on my video and on my camera and memory cards, also Robert’s camera, but he has problems with the time to focus on getting things done as there is much demand being placed upon us. Today I just slept, and then tried to walk later and take a break. There were some Germans to come and do some geo-radar, but they were stopped at the Croatian border and were not allowed by Croatia to cross the border with the equipment, or so the story goes...who really knows?
I will meet up with Sammie in another day or so. He is away so I am taking a break from all of this and trying to put things into perspective. I saw much in the newspapers that contradicted other stories – I now see some truths, I see how others have played games, but I see how the newspapers and forums have played bad games and made up stories and used their forums to insult when they should not have. So, I am in a position when I must tell the truth, and I will, I will always keep z integrity and not sell out.
I did hear that Dr Zahi Hawass was interviewed by an ‘Amer’, a student journalist from Egypt. I had arranged an interview with this person before I had left. He showed up last night, but I declined an interview and I knew Robert was in no frame of mind to be interviewed either. So, there has been much going on!
The politics, I mean the real politics of this country are in a way scary. I had this feeling that something was happening with elections and that there was something going on with politics and people in powerful places. I just found out the other day there are elections coming up in September. I met the former president of the whole of Yugoslavia the other day and many other politicians. Well, I wish for Greg to post that picture that Robert sent with the hammer and the layers of strata to show how the pavement is just another layer of natural formation and not that of a side walk or terrace [ed's note: done]. The sections you see are cut out of the side of the mountain and they are cleaned up to look like they are part of a complex, as if the so-called pyramid is being manufactured when they find something they can “add on” to create it. It has changed very much. Also, there were some areas recovered that showed some geological formations that were very important, as they presented evidence that was not in favor of a real pyramid. All of this is difficult for me to write and I can barely sit here right now. I will try to write again. Robert is having problems too, this has affected us severely, all of the weird things, which will take time to explain in a proper article when I am able to express clearly everything that is going on.
But, what you see, just please realize may not be what is said it is, that is all I can say, and I might have said too much all ready – but I am telling the truth. So, please Greg if you read this, will you please post that photo that Robert sent with the hammer and strata so that people can see the layers and the situation with the pavement [top image on this page, click for larger version].
I also thank everyone very much for their support, as this has been the most difficult trip for me this time. Nothing like Peru, very severe and much different. But, I must say, the Bosnian people themselves are beautiful and lovely people. I feel bad for them when the truth will be revealed in the future at some point in time. It will be a very difficult and sensitive situation for me to have to write it out, and I cannot prematurely do it until I fully understand why this is going on. I do understand some of it – and I am shocked – but you know what, that is why we are here, to see for ourselves.
Thank you, I only have to hang on a few more days here and then we move to Sarajevo and catch our flight in a few more days. Thank you for everything, sorry if I hurt anyone, but I must always tell the truth. I will know more later.
Love Colette
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
koga briga sta su ova dva napushena hipija napisala na njihovoj stranici.. llooollll
toliko je zanimljivo da je tvoj voljeni sajt PINCOM.info ovo isto objavio...
hehe ohladi covjece.. dobit ces uskoro slom zivaca.. jer si svakom komentaru na ovu temu poklopac..
Larci wrote:
koga briga sta su ova dva napushena hipija napisala na njihovoj stranici.. llooollll
toliko je zanimljivo da je tvoj voljeni sajt PINCOM.info ovo isto objavio...
hehe ohladi covjece.. dobit ces uskoro slom zivaca.. jer si svakom komentaru na ovu temu poklopac..
A kako ste vi jadni covjece...
Prvo zovete ljude, prepucavate se titulama, a odjedanput su hipiji kada vam ne odgovara sta kazu
Kao uostalom i tuzlanski geolozi, i barakat i ona expertica za drevna pisma.. sve sami hipiji je li tako.. Ustvari ono su foteljasi, pardon zaboravio sam :D:D
Piramida = na bosanskom, objekat (vise nego sumnjivog porijekla) koji sluzi za popunjavanje rupa u svakodnevnoj bosanskohercegovackoj dokolici i nadmudrivanje u razgovoru Bosanaca, poznatih po mentalitetu 'on ce meni .... ja znam sve i ja znam najbolje'.
Za dalje proucavanje piramida, preporucujem posjetu foruma sarajevo-x.com, dostupna u cetiri toma ispisana dokolicom.
AZ wrote:Piramida = na bosanskom, objekat (vise nego sumnjivog porijekla) koji sluzi za popunjavanje rupa u svakodnevnoj bosanskohercegovackoj dokolici i nadmudrivanje u razgovoru Bosanaca, poznatih po mentalitetu 'on ce meni .... ja znam sve i ja znam najbolje'.
Za dalje proucavanje piramida, preporucujem posjetu foruma sarajevo-x.com, dostupna u cetiri toma ispisana dokolicom.
Samo da nadopunim:
pored gore navedenog, izgleda da sluze ispijanju mozga sirokim narodnim masama, punjenje dzepova ublehasima, nabijanje bodova politicarima i preusmjeravanje budzetskog novca u "donacje za istrazivanja" :D:D
terapija wrote:
Cijenim tvoje ucesce na ovom forumu i mislim da si daleko iznad svih ovdje ostao stalozen i argumentirano (fotografijama ili sl.) popratis svaki svoj komentar. Ali gdje ti je ovdje piramida prijatelju???
Piramida je i za mene još uvijek hipoteza (iako se iz mojih postova moglo zaključiti i drugačije). Znači ja ne znam stoprocentno da postoje piramide u Visokom, ali vjerujem u mogućnost da postoje. Nisam ni arheolog ni geolog ali pokušavam iz onoga što nam je prezentirano preko interneta i onoga što sam vidio na terenu izvući potvrdu za svoj stav o svemu tome.
Druga stvar, ako ti ja kažem da se na auto otpadu može sastaviti traktor, to je hipoteza. Čak i ako sam ja ubijeđen da može ostaje mogućnost da će faliti neki ključni dio i da taj traktor nikada neće moći funkcionisati. Dalje kada bih i sakupio sve dijelove koji su potrebni na jednu gomilu to i dalje ne bi bio traktor ma šta ja ili ti o tome mislili. Tek nakon nekoliko mjeseci rada bi bilo moguće reći da li je moja hipoteza potvrđena ili ne, tj kad traktor bude sklopljen. Bezze pričam, jelde, ali hoću da kažem da to što ja ili ti ne možemo zamisliti da je Visočica ili Plješevica piramida ne znači automatski da nije ili da jeste. Potrebno je vrijeme i rad da bi se donijeli zaključci.
P.S. Nisam u prilici, ali bi bilo dobro digitalizovati kartu Visokog, pa napraviti 3D model i na njemu unijeti parametre koji se dobiju iskopavanjem. Slika bi bila puno jasnija a vjerujem da bi i onima iz Fondacije pomoglo da lakše prate radove i eventualno odluče o pozicijama novih sondi.
terapija wrote:
Cijenim tvoje ucesce na ovom forumu i mislim da si daleko iznad svih ovdje ostao stalozen i argumentirano (fotografijama ili sl.) popratis svaki svoj komentar. Ali gdje ti je ovdje piramida prijatelju???
Piramida je i za mene još uvijek hipoteza (iako se iz mojih postova moglo zaključiti i drugačije). Znači ja ne znam stoprocentno da postoje piramide u Visokom, ali vjerujem u mogućnost da postoje. Nisam ni arheolog ni geolog ali pokušavam iz onoga što nam je prezentirano preko interneta i onoga što sam vidio na terenu izvući potvrdu za svoj stav o svemu tome.
Druga stvar, ako ti ja kažem da se na auto otpadu može sastaviti traktor, to je hipoteza. Čak i ako sam ja ubijeđen da može ostaje mogućnost da će faliti neki ključni dio i da taj traktor nikada neće moći funkcionisati. Dalje kada bih i sakupio sve dijelove koji su potrebni na jednu gomilu to i dalje ne bi bio traktor ma šta ja ili ti o tome mislili. Tek nakon nekoliko mjeseci rada bi bilo moguće reći da li je moja hipoteza potvrđena ili ne, tj kad traktor bude sklopljen. Bezze pričam, jelde, ali hoću da kažem da to što ja ili ti ne možemo zamisliti da je Visočica ili Plješevica piramida ne znači automatski da nije ili da jeste. Potrebno je vrijeme i rad da bi se donijeli zaključci.
P.S. Nisam u prilici, ali bi bilo dobro digitalizovati kartu Visokog, pa napraviti 3D model i na njemu unijeti parametre koji se dobiju iskopavanjem. Slika bi bila puno jasnija a vjerujem da bi i onima iz Fondacije pomoglo da lakše prate radove i eventualno odluče o pozicijama novih sondi.
To sa digitalizacijom, odlican je ideja. Samo koliko ja znam na samom pocetku godine pompezno je najavljen digitalni 3D model od strane fondacije na kome ce se u realnom vremenu pratiti napredovanje iskopavanja... ali nista od toga...pojela maca. (da opet nekoga ne bih nazivao lazovom i sl.)
Citava stvar oko iskopavanja je toliko "ispreskakana" i kontradiktorna. Sad ne znam je li namjrea da nas zbune ili su oni zbunjeni cinjenicom da ipak jos nista nisu nasli pa skacu okolo i otvaraju sondu za sondom.
Citav projekat mi nekako ostavlja dojam totalne neorganiziranosti. Ne znam kako ot necega takvog ocekivati znacajne rezultate
seljak_cojek wrote:A možemo li umjesto linkova na blogove raznih anonimusa, dobiti tvoj lični komentar na moja dva prethodna posta u vezi sa objašnjenjima "mrak geologa". Samo da ne bude u stilu:"Piramide nema zato što je Semir plavokos".
Vidim, imas problema da komentiras sve lazi od strane Semketa i njegovih jarana, a tjeras druge da ti pod svaku cijenu odgovore.
Ne, nemam problema nego nemam vremena se nadvikivati, i igrati gluhih telefona. Od početka se hipoteza osporava izjavama tipa Semir laže, narod glup, sve su to ublehaši koji otimaju pare ovom našem jadnom i bijednom narodu (govori se o 145.000 koje je fondacija dobila-što sam ranije komentarisao, a za izbore će recimo samo SDP potrošiti preko milion maraka a SDA i ostali vjerovatno i preko tri miliona svaki, koliko im u ostalom i zakon dopušta).
Gospon Macola wrote:
Ali, evo ti vrlo jednostavnog odgovora na tvoje pitanje: Visocica je bila stoljecima koristena i od Bosanaca i od Rimljana i od Ilira i sasvim LOGICNO je da je tu i tamo ostao po koji put, zidina, pa i klozet ako treba.
To je nesto sasvim logicno, jer su ljudi uvijek gradili infrastrukture za zivot.
Zar po mrak geologu ono što je otkopano nije prirodno nastalo. Kontradikcija Ili je logično da "koji put, zidina, pa i klozet ako treba" nastane prirodnim putem.
Gospon Macola wrote:
Eh, da deder ti sad meni objasni sto se ovi Semirovi suradnici ogradjuju od njega, sto pisu da su ona slova u kamenju falsificirana, sto Semir ne spominje vise dr. Schocha i dr. Dowell, sto Semir ne spominje vise dr. Barakata, kako to moze biti da dr. Hawass nije poslao Barakata, a da Semir nista ne kaze na to (pa cak ni da ne odgovara zbog lazi).
Ehehe, vidis, ima tovar neodgovorenih pitanja ...
Bilo kako bilo: piramide nema i to je svima jasno.
Cak ce i Semir prije priznati da je nema, no sto cete to vi uciniti. Jer, ode lova, od turista lova, kuku lele....
A po čemu si ti shvatio da ti ja mogu objasniti zato Semir nešto radi ili ne radi.
A ono što ja mogu reći za dr. Schocha i dr. Dowell je da su jedini postupili profesionalno, došli, vidjeli, rekli šta misle o svemu tome. Uzgred budi rečeno za sada je samo dr. Dowell dala svoje mišljenje. Opet kažem svaka im čast
seljak_cojek wrote:A možemo li umjesto linkova na blogove raznih anonimusa, dobiti tvoj lični komentar na moja dva prethodna posta u vezi sa objašnjenjima "mrak geologa". Samo da ne bude u stilu:"Piramide nema zato što je Semir plavokos".
Vidim, imas problema da komentiras sve lazi od strane Semketa i njegovih jarana, a tjeras druge da ti pod svaku cijenu odgovore.
Ne, nemam problema nego nemam vremena se nadvikivati, i igrati gluhih telefona. Od početka se hipoteza osporava izjavama tipa Semir laže, narod glup, sve su to ublehaši koji otimaju pare ovom našem jadnom i bijednom narodu (govori se o 145.000 koje je fondacija dobila-što sam ranije komentarisao, a za izbore će recimo samo SDP potrošiti preko milion maraka a SDA i ostali vjerovatno i preko tri miliona svaki, koliko im u ostalom i zakon dopušta).
Gospon Macola wrote:
Ali, evo ti vrlo jednostavnog odgovora na tvoje pitanje: Visocica je bila stoljecima koristena i od Bosanaca i od Rimljana i od Ilira i sasvim LOGICNO je da je tu i tamo ostao po koji put, zidina, pa i klozet ako treba.
To je nesto sasvim logicno, jer su ljudi uvijek gradili infrastrukture za zivot.
Zar po mrak geologu ono što je otkopano nije prirodno nastalo. Kontradikcija Ili je logično da "koji put, zidina, pa i klozet ako treba" nastane prirodnim putem.
Gospon Macola wrote:
Eh, da deder ti sad meni objasni sto se ovi Semirovi suradnici ogradjuju od njega, sto pisu da su ona slova u kamenju falsificirana, sto Semir ne spominje vise dr. Schocha i dr. Dowell, sto Semir ne spominje vise dr. Barakata, kako to moze biti da dr. Hawass nije poslao Barakata, a da Semir nista ne kaze na to (pa cak ni da ne odgovara zbog lazi).
Ehehe, vidis, ima tovar neodgovorenih pitanja ...
Bilo kako bilo: piramide nema i to je svima jasno.
Cak ce i Semir prije priznati da je nema, no sto cete to vi uciniti. Jer, ode lova, od turista lova, kuku lele....
A po čemu si ti shvatio da ti ja mogu objasniti zato Semir nešto radi ili ne radi.
A ono što ja mogu reći za dr. Schocha i dr. Dowell je da su jedini postupili profesionalno, došli, vidjeli, rekli šta misle o svemu tome. Uzgred budi rečeno za sada je samo dr. Dowell dala svoje mišljenje. Opet kažem svaka im čast
Joj, sto volim ove piramidase. Mijenjaju misljenja ko carape. Prvo su Schoch i Dowell hipiji (kako si navodio u zadnjem postu), a sada "svaka im cast, profesionalno su to uradili". A uz to i napominjes da Schoch nije nista rekao. Eh, ili ne znas dobro engleski ili opet padas na politikanstvo. Znas i sam dobro da u tekstu od gdje. Dowell stoji da ce Schoch duze vremena raditi na clanku, posto se ima dosta toga za ispricati. I nesto me svrbi da napisem da kada se Schoch oglasi u negativnom smislu naspram Semketa, da cete opet osuti paljbom po njemu (Schoch) i neces se vise sjecati tvojih komplimenata n anjegov racun. Tako je to kod vas, cim se nova sonda otvori (iliti 'vjetar puhne'), vi hrlite kao mala djeca za Semketom. Zasto nije progovorio ni rijeci na svo pisanje od dr. Dowell? Zasto je odmah sazvao kojekakvu konferenciju da predstavi dvije sonde? Ha?
Sta to bi...? Ocekivao internacionalno priznanje, a na kraju ispade internacionalna blamaza.
I sada ce, kao da je politicar, naprosto 'odsjediti' i ovu samarcinu...pa do sljedece sonde....
A to sto gore (na humorican nacin) navodis da je klozet nastao prirodnim putem (sto onda meni imputiras u misljenje), morat cu te razocarati....
Dragi moj, Visocica je PRIRODNO nastalo brdo, koje su ljudi koristili kao PODLOGU za svoje kule, putove, zidine i sta ja znam jos.
Ali piramida nije. I basta!
To je sve sto se ovdje trebalo kazati i nema cile-mile, ako nije ovo onda je mozda ono, hajmo kopati, nismo mi to tako mislili, jebi ga, zapelo je, idemo dalje, skokni od sonde do sonde, bla, bla.
Nema!
Piramide nema i sve drugo je gubljenje vremena i 'ladjenje jajca u sjeni jablanova.
No, sada Osmanagić ignorira njihovo mišljenje, pa tako jučer nije bilo spomena o mišljenju američke ekipe, nego se ponosno predstavilo novo otkriće do kojeg se došlo kopanjem bunara.
Gospon Macola wrote:
Joj, sto volim ove piramidase. Mijenjaju misljenja ko carape. Prvo su Schoch i Dowell hipiji (kako si navodio u zadnjem postu)
O ovome sam govorio kad sam spomenuo "igru gluhih telefona". Taj post je napisala osoba sa nikom Larci. Da pažljivije čitaš to ti sigurno ne bi promaklo.
"svaka im cast, profesionalno su to uradili"
Iza ovoga i dalje stojim
Gospon Macola wrote:
A uz to i napominjes da Schoch nije nista rekao. Eh, ili ne znas dobro engleski ili opet padas na politikanstvo. Znas i sam dobro da u tekstu od gdje. Dowell stoji da ce Schoch duze vremena raditi na clanku, posto se ima dosta toga za ispricati.
dr. Dowell je na stranici http://www.robertschoch.net i sama objasnila da je ona u stvari asistent dr. Schoch-a i da on piše članke koje ona uređuje. Ono što je napisala je njeno mišljenje o svemu tome a izvještaj dr.Schocha će biti kasnije objavljen. I ne, ne mislim da će se mnogo razlikovati, ali bih ipak sačekao njegov izvještaj. Uzgred, dr.Schoch na pomenutoj stranici je rekao kako će obići lokalitete uzeti uzorke, snimke itd. i nakon povratka u SAD izanalizirati sve materijale sa terena i dati svoje mišljenje.
Gospon Macola wrote:
A to sto gore (na humorican nacin) navodis da je klozet nastao prirodnim putem (sto onda meni imputiras u misljenje), morat cu te razocarati....
JBM li ga, jesi li ti ovo pisao ili se neko neovlašteno koristiJo tvojim nikom.
Gospon Macola wrote:
Ali, evo ti vrlo jednostavnog odgovora na tvoje pitanje: Visocica je bila stoljecima koristena i od Bosanaca i od Rimljana i od Ilira i sasvim LOGICNO je da je tu i tamo ostao po koji put, zidina, pa i klozet ako treba.
To je nesto sasvim logicno, jer su ljudi uvijek gradili infrastrukture za zivot.
Pa jel sad prirodno ili je ljudskom rukom obrađeno i postavljano.
shvati 
Ili je logično da "koji put, zidina, pa i klozet ako treba" nastane prirodnim putem.
