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herzegowac wrote:
Pa to je uvijek tako.
Današnji portali jedva dočekaju nešto da iskopaju ovako, više klikova.
Trajati će danas i sutra i to je to.
Smiješno samo kako političari reagiraju bez provjere.

Banksy wrote:I, je li zaista rekla ili nije?

I da nije, rekla je slično stoput dosad. I govoriće i ubuduće.

U mojim bilješkama u vezi sa sastankom stoji to što sam i objavila. Ona jeste spomenula i Iran u jednoj rečenici i vezala ga za migrante. Rekla je da se Iranci kriju među migrantima, da su migranti ponajmanje iz Sirije ili Afganistana, da ih ima iz Afrike te iz drugih dijelova Azije.

Navela je i da među njima ima militanata i da oni predstavljaju problem. Nije povezivala vlasti BiH sa militantima i Iranom, već sa migrantima - tvrdi novinarka "Jerusalem Posta" Grir Fej Kašman (Greer Fay Cashman).

U kratkoj komunikaciji s "Dnevnim avazom" ona je ostala pri navodima koje je objavila.

Banksy wrote:I da nije, rekla je slično stoput dosad. I govoriće i ubuduće.

Navela je i da među njima ima militanata i da oni predstavljaju problem. Nije povezivala vlasti BiH sa militantima i Iranom, već sa migrantima - tvrdi novinarka "Jerusalem Posta" Grir Fej Kašman (Greer Fay Cashman).

herzegowac wrote:

Navela je i da među njima ima militanata i da oni predstavljaju problem. Nije povezivala vlasti BiH sa militantima i Iranom, već sa migrantima - tvrdi novinarka "Jerusalem Posta" Grir Fej Kašman (Greer Fay Cashman).

Ma iz kontrukcije rečenice je bilo skoro jasno da jedno nema veze s drugim.
Ali eto, i kada ta "novinarka" potvrdi opet ništa.
Opet, i ona nije citirala, nego nešto svoje iskonstruirala što je nabola.

herzegowac wrote:

Banksy wrote:I da nije, rekla je slično stoput dosad. I govoriće i ubuduće.

Kakav je to rezon?
Valjda se svi moramo boriti za ispravno informiranje, a ne reagirati na prvu novinarsku?
Nikad mi nije bio jasan mentalitet gdje se odmah na naslov nekog portala reagira bez dodatnog istraživanja ili barem da se sačeka potpuna informacija.

Banksy wrote:Ali da nam želi loše, s predizbornom ili bez nje, to je sigurno.

herzegowac wrote:

Banksy wrote:Ali da nam želi loše, s predizbornom ili bez nje, to je sigurno.

Hrvatska, kao i većina malih EU država, nema svoje politike prema vani (BiH još manje).
Tako da, sumnjam da ona kao takva ima bilo kakve planove.
Bezlična karijeristkinja kojih je prepuna EU.
Naravno, u BiH se sve to dramatizira jer se još borimo sa svojim postojanjem i nije jasno gdje mi idemo?

Novak20 wrote:

Banksy wrote:I, je li zaista rekla ili nije?

I da nije, rekla je slično stoput dosad. I govoriće i ubuduće.

Dilema je djelomično riješena.

https://avaz.ba/vijesti/bih/506159/novi ... e-to-rekla

U mojim bilješkama u vezi sa sastankom stoji to što sam i objavila. Ona jeste spomenula i Iran u jednoj rečenici i vezala ga za migrante. Rekla je da se Iranci kriju među migrantima, da su migranti ponajmanje iz Sirije ili Afganistana, da ih ima iz Afrike te iz drugih dijelova Azije.

Navela je i da među njima ima militanata i da oni predstavljaju problem. Nije povezivala vlasti BiH sa militantima i Iranom, već sa migrantima - tvrdi novinarka "Jerusalem Posta" Grir Fej Kašman (Greer Fay Cashman).

U kratkoj komunikaciji s "Dnevnim avazom" ona je ostala pri navodima koje je objavila.

Jerusalem Post Israel News
HOLOCAUST MAIN SUBJECT OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN RIVLIN AND CROATIAN PRESIDENT
The government had proposed establishing a monument for victims of the Holocaust, and the project was taken up by the Zagreb municipality.
BY GREER FAY CASHMAN JULY 29, 2019 22:15
4 minute read.


President Reuven Rivlin held a state reception for Croatian President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović who v
President Reuven Rivlin held a state reception for Croatian President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović who visits Israel. (photo credit: MARC NEYMAN/GPO)

Holocaust commemoration, education and restitution were the key subjects in the long conversation that President Reuven Rivlin had on Monday with Croatian President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović who is on a three day state visit to Israel.

It was the third meeting between the two presidents. The first was during Grabar-Kitarović’s first visit in 2015. The second was a year ago, when Rivlin paid a state visit to Croatia.

Ordinarily, when presidents of other countries come to Israel, there is a 10-15 minute period where both presidents make official statements. Then, they have a private meeting that generally lasts for up to half an hour, and then the visitor continues with his or her itinerary.

Rivlin greeted his Croatian counterpart at 9:30 a.m., and she left the President’s Residence at 11:10 a.m.

Although the two had touched on several issues in areas of cooperation when making their official addresses, when they had their private meeting, Grabar-Kitarović sought Rivlin’s help in settling a dispute that the Croatian government and the Zagreb municipality have with the World Jewish Congress, and the “small but active Jewish community” of Croatia, which boasts “the second oldest synagogue in Europe.”

The government had proposed establishing a monument for victims of the Holocaust, and the project was taken up by the Zagreb municipality. However, a certain segment of the Jewish community believes that the Zagreb municipality is trying to whitewash Croatia’s fascist past.

Grabar-Kitarović assured Rivlin that this is not the case, and that Croatia is not trying to deny its past. The Zagreb municipality even offered to build a second monument in accordance with whatever the Jewish community wants, but the offer has not served to end the dispute.
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Rivlin said that he would do what he could to help, but that he really could not interfere in Croatian affairs.

Grabar-Kitarović also spoke about Croatia’s Restitution Committee, which has allocated both property and monetary compensation to private individuals and the community, but stated that the work is going too slowly. Part of the problem, she said, is that there are no exact details of how many Croatian Jews were murdered and how many are entitled to restitution. Not all those entitled identify either as Jews or Croatians, so it is difficult to track them down. There are currently 75 cases pending, she said.

Croatia’s Education Ministry and Culture Ministry are doing a lot to promote Holocaust awareness and education. During her visit, a memorandum of understanding for intensive Holocaust education will be signed with Yad Vashem, which she also visited on Sunday. The Culture Ministry is also working on memorial sites and synagogue restoration, she said.

Rivlin invited his guest to return toward the end of January 2020, when, together with Yad Vashem, he will be hosting world leaders in commemorating the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

He told her that both Israel and Croatia are “looking towards the future without forgetting the past.”

At the beginning of next year, Croatia will take over the rotating presidency of the European Union for the first time. Croatia will strive to take a balanced approach, which includes “hearing an Israeli voice in the EU.”

Grabar-Kitarović said that during her country’s presidency, there will be an international Holocaust seminar at one of the import important Holocaust memorial sites. The purpose is “to remind the EU of our common values and why the EU was formed.” The young people who are part of the EU today don’t remember when Europe was walled and fenced with barb wires, she said.

Another Holocaust commemorative event that will take place during Croatia’s presidency of the EU will be in conjunction with Yad Vashem. There will be an exhibition at the United Nations in New York of the Righteous among the Nations.

Rivlin, who declared that the UN has been anti-Israel for years, said that such an attitude should be accepted as the norm. He praised Croatia as a great ally, and thanked his visitor for Croatia’s support of Israel at the EU, the United Nations and other international forums.

“We will remain reliable,” responded Grabar-Kitarović, who in turn thanked Rivlin for Israel’s assistance in Croatia’s bid to join the OECD.

Rivlin and Grabar-Kitarović each voiced regret that sale of 12 Israeli F-16 planes to Croatia had fallen through due to a third party veto. Neither named the third party, though it is known to have been the United States.

However, both presidents agreed that their countries would continue to cooperate on matters of defense, security and fighting terrorism.

In the latter context, Grabar-Kitarović noted that her country is suffering a migrant problem that is not quite like that of much of Europe. She made the distinction between migrants and refugees, saying that while Croatia was willing to give asylum to refugees, migrants looking for an improved lifestyle should not be in violation of international borders.

The migrants actually have no wish to stay in Croatia, she said, but simply to cross through to Germany.

While nearly all claim to be Syrian refugees, most are actually African or Pakistani migrants who try to break through the border from Bosnia-Herzegovina, which Grabar-Kitarović said was very unstable, and had in some respects been taken over by people who have connections with Iran and terrorist organizations. The country is now controlled by militant Islam, which is dominant in setting the agenda, she said, adding that some are very violent and break into people’s homes. “The problem is that the refugees are being left behind.”

The two president concurred on the importance of developing business relations in agriculture, construction and cybersecurity. They also spoke of increasing tourism in both directions, and agreed that direct flights between their countries had helped to boost two-way tourism.

Šunj wrote:

Novak20 wrote:

Dilema je djelomično riješena.

https://avaz.ba/vijesti/bih/506159/novi ... e-to-rekla

U mojim bilješkama u vezi sa sastankom stoji to što sam i objavila. Ona jeste spomenula i Iran u jednoj rečenici i vezala ga za migrante. Rekla je da se Iranci kriju među migrantima, da su migranti ponajmanje iz Sirije ili Afganistana, da ih ima iz Afrike te iz drugih dijelova Azije.

Navela je i da među njima ima militanata i da oni predstavljaju problem. Nije povezivala vlasti BiH sa militantima i Iranom, već sa migrantima - tvrdi novinarka "Jerusalem Posta" Grir Fej Kašman (Greer Fay Cashman).

U kratkoj komunikaciji s "Dnevnim avazom" ona je ostala pri navodima koje je objavila.

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Holoc ... ent-597095

Jerusalem Post Israel News
HOLOCAUST MAIN SUBJECT OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN RIVLIN AND CROATIAN PRESIDENT

While nearly all claim to be Syrian refugees, most are actually African or Pakistani migrants who try to break through the border from Bosnia-Herzegovina, which Grabar-Kitarović said was very unstable, and had in some respects been taken over by people who have connections with Iran and terrorist organizations. The country is now controlled by militant Islam, which is dominant in setting the agenda, she said, adding that some are very violent and break into people’s homes. “The problem is that the refugees are being left behind.”

Kejn wrote:Ako ovo stvarno nije rekla onda je ovo doslovno pišanje Izraela po Hrvatskoj državotvornosti i dokaz u kojoj mjeri je Izrael pušten sa lanca i šta sve sebi cionistička tvorevina dopušta. Zabrinjavajuće zaista.

Kejn wrote:Ako ovo stvarno nije rekla onda je ovo doslovno pišanje Izraela po Hrvatskoj državotvornosti i dokaz u kojoj mjeri je Izrael pušten sa lanca i šta sve sebi cionistička tvorevina dopušta. Zabrinjavajuće zaista.

Styling wrote:

SaraFina wrote:Ona se izvuče. A vi će te u Sarajevo, Bakirbegu skute ljubiti

To ako ona kaze da nije rekla mi sada treba da prihvatimo zdravo za gotovo, naravno, i da optuzimo Jerusalem Post da na nju lazu jer imaju nesto protiv nje. Ne bi ona, inace. Ona je nas dokazani prijatelj. Osim kada nas treba zarad licnog interesa popljuvati. Ja joj ne vjerujem da nije rekla da golom guzicom na vrelu pec sjedne.

mO k3 wrote:

Kejn wrote:Ako ovo stvarno nije rekla onda je ovo doslovno pišanje Izraela po Hrvatskoj državotvornosti i dokaz u kojoj mjeri je Izrael pušten sa lanca i šta sve sebi cionistička tvorevina dopušta. Zabrinjavajuće zaista.

Da da ima
I toga .....

Kejn wrote:Ako ovo stvarno nije rekla onda je ovo doslovno pišanje Izraela po Hrvatskoj državotvornosti i dokaz u kojoj mjeri je Izrael pušten sa lanca i šta sve sebi cionistička tvorevina dopušta. Zabrinjavajuće zaista.

Alfons Kauders wrote:Koliko vidim, Jerusalem Post nije povukao priču, niti ju je promijenio, niti izdao demanti.

Isto kao s onom švicarskom televizijom prije desetak dana...