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#276 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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Meni je u ovom videu samo ofirno što su doveli svog vozača da testira auta, a i sistem mjerenja je amaterski, mada ne vjerujem da bi se neko igrao sa rezultatima...
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#277 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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i bmw i audi su atmo motori, cekaj da izadju nove generacije sa V8T pa ces da vidis gdje ce biti polestar
novi S8 audi nabija stoju za 3,5 sec i 1/4 mile za 11,xx
novi rs4 ce biti bar 300-400 kila laksi od S8
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#278 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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GaRGa wrote:i bmw i audi su atmo motori, cekaj da izadju nove generacije sa V8T pa ces da vidis gdje ce biti polestar
novi S8 audi nabija stoju za 3,5 sec i 1/4 mile za 11,xx
novi rs4 ce biti bar 300-400 kila laksi od S8

4.2sec do stoje ;-)
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#279 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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Nešto kontam, onda da uporedim RS6 (579 ks) i najjači S80 (315 ks) ... ha ja, niko im nije zabranio da naprave jači auto... :-)
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#280 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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@garga...to nabija kod tebe u mokrim snovima 3,5 sekunde, nije Lambo...a po pitanju atmosferskih motora, ima penicilin modela za njih i sa atmosferskim motorima, šuplja ti je priča...novi M3 će biti šestak sa turbom, vjerovatno će slična priča biti i kod Audija, mada je RS4 relativno nov na tržištu...ima nešto što se zove downsizing, danas je to vrlo popularan pojam...

@gost...ljudi tek sad počinju da prave jake modele, ne vidim u čemu je problem?
a ne sumnjam da se ovaj Volvo može nositi i sa Rs6, i to vrlo lako...
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#281 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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Industrialyzer wrote:
GaRGa wrote:i bmw i audi su atmo motori, cekaj da izadju nove generacije sa V8T pa ces da vidis gdje ce biti polestar
novi S8 audi nabija stoju za 3,5 sec i 1/4 mile za 11,xx
novi rs4 ce biti bar 300-400 kila laksi od S8

4.2sec do stoje ;-)

let me google that for you..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... T0r6xQJU_4
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#282 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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johntra wrote:@garga...to nabija kod tebe u mokrim snovima 3,5 sekunde, nije Lambo...a po pitanju atmosferskih motora, ima penicilin modela za njih i sa atmosferskim motorima, šuplja ti je priča...novi M3 će biti šestak sa turbom, vjerovatno će slična priča biti i kod Audija, mada je RS4 relativno nov na tržištu...ima nešto što se zove downsizing, danas je to vrlo popularan pojam...

@gost...ljudi tek sad počinju da prave jake modele, ne vidim u čemu je problem?
a ne sumnjam da se ovaj Volvo može nositi i sa Rs6, i to vrlo lako...

ti vise po auto sajtovima vrijeme provodi nego na klixu ako hoces o autima da pametujes
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#283 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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još kad bi ti znao razliku između milja i kilometara i američkog i evropskog mjerenja ubrzanja, gdje bi nam onda kraj bio...haj, sad idi čitaj po sajtovima i dalje ili do trafike po Auto Bild, skontaj šta ti je lakše...
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johntra wrote:još kad bi ti znao razliku između milja i kilometara i američkog i evropskog mjerenja ubrzanja, gdje bi nam onda kraj bio...haj, sad idi čitaj po sajtovima i dalje ili do trafike po Auto Bild, skontaj šta ti je lakše...

kako si ti ogranice....
60 milja na sat je 96.56 km/h i ovaj audi tu brzinu razvije za 3,5 sekundi
ti tvrdis da za preostalih 3,5 km/h ovo autu treba jos 0,7 sec iako je 0-95 km/h nabio na 3,5 sec
da imas imalo pomao o automobilizmu ili fizici nebi takvu glupost izvalio...
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#285 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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Kad mi nađeš neki link ili specifikaciju u kojoj Audi S8 ide ispod četiri sekunde do 100 kilometara na sat, a četiri sekunde su moguće u idealnim uslovima, mada fabrika uvijek navodi 4,2 sekunde, onda o nečemu možemo pričati...do tada se tješi sa američkim testovima, koji je btw isto urađen u najidealnijim mogućim uslovima, sa vjerovatno spec gumama i sa visokooktanskim gorivom...u svakom slučaju, S8 sada jeste najjača limuzina, u to nema sumnje, samo ne sjede ni ostali skrštenih ruku...
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#286 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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kakve ti gluposti pricas
prvo Audi S8 je stock a Alpina je dorada BMW-a 7-ice....
drugo u Americi je 91 oktan gorivo... max 93 oktana sto se moze naci po pumpama
trece tek je izasla S8-ica bice dovoljno testova i na albanskom ako ti je razumljiviji od ovog gore postavljenog videa
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#287 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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Gost1515 wrote:
citroen xm wrote:Fundamental, možeš se smijati samo sam sebi. Al da ne idemo dalje.
Gost, ajd nam reci koja je to posebna tjunerska firma koja je sredila ovoga Volva? Ja ne znam, a volio bi.
jbg, u školu pa uči čitanje...
Postavio sam ti pitanje da vidim šta ćeš odgovoriti pa da onda uporedimo tvoj odgovor sa RS i M odjelom. A vidim dao si glup odgovor.
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#288 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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Gost1515 wrote:Nešto kontam, onda da uporedim RS6 (579 ks) i najjači S80 (315 ks) ... ha ja, niko im nije zabranio da naprave jači auto... :-)
Da, samo si zaboravio da S80 nije nikakav konkurent RS6-ici, nego A6-ici, kod koje je najjaci motor sa 345ks. Budimo realni A6 i RS6 osim marke i identicnog dizajna nemaju dodirnih tacaka, RS6 je potpuno drugo auto.
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#289 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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GaRGa wrote:kakve ti gluposti pricas
prvo Audi S8 je stock a Alpina je dorada BMW-a 7-ice....
drugo u Americi je 91 oktan gorivo... max 93 oktana sto se moze naci po pumpama
trece tek je izasla S8-ica bice dovoljno testova i na albanskom ako ti je razumljiviji od ovog gore postavljenog videa
prvo, njemački paćeniće, obrati malo pažnju na jezik...ovaj test koji si dao je prvi put da S8 ide 3,5 sekunde, što dokazuje da je nategnut, to jeste da je urađen u uslovima koje sam već nabrojao, a ti ako to ne kontaš, to je do tebe...stavljanje guma ili korištenje drugog goriva ne znači da auto i dalje nije stock, to je bar toliko jasno...i na kraju, kad mi nađeš da je od 0 do 100 kilometara 3,5 sekunde zvanično (fabričko) ubrzanje ovog modela, onda se javi, a do tada ga bacaj na četiri prstena...
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#290 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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olensoner wrote:
Gost1515 wrote:Nešto kontam, onda da uporedim RS6 (579 ks) i najjači S80 (315 ks) ... ha ja, niko im nije zabranio da naprave jači auto... :-)
Da, samo si zaboravio da S80 nije nikakav konkurent RS6-ici, nego A6-ici, kod koje je najjaci motor sa 345ks. Budimo realni A6 i RS6 osim marke i identicnog dizajna nemaju dodirnih tacaka, RS6 je potpuno drugo auto.
Pa dobro, ko im brani da naprave konkurenta? 8-)
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#291 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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Japan and Europe use a system called RON or Research Octane Number to determine the octane rating of their gasoline, while stateside we use a system called AKI or Anti-Knock Index to determine gasoline's octane rating... Interestingly, to further complicate things it would seem that our own AKI system is actually derived from the average of the RON system and another more complicated system referred to as MON or Motor Octane Number... So, to recap our methodologies for measuring gasoline's octane rating are different, but share some common elements...
So, with the commonality of RON in mind a good rule of thumb is as follows, multiply the foreign RON Octane rating by 0.95 and you will have the US AKI equivalent.

( RON Octane Rating x 0.95 = AKI Octane Rating )
98 RON Octane x 0.95 = 93.1 AKI Octane (US measure)
100 RON Octane x 0.95 = 95 AKI Octane (US measure)

So, as you can see the 93 or 94 octane fuel we are all paying an arm and a leg for is actually quite comparable to the higher octane fuels found in Europe and Japan. The people whom have to worry about low octane rating are our friends out west in places like California that are subjected to substandard 91 octane.
91 AKI Octane (US measure) = 95.5 RON Octane
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#292 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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johntra wrote:
GaRGa wrote:kakve ti gluposti pricas
prvo Audi S8 je stock a Alpina je dorada BMW-a 7-ice....
drugo u Americi je 91 oktan gorivo... max 93 oktana sto se moze naci po pumpama
trece tek je izasla S8-ica bice dovoljno testova i na albanskom ako ti je razumljiviji od ovog gore postavljenog videa
prvo, njemački paćeniće, obrati malo pažnju na jezik...ovaj test koji si dao je prvi put da S8 ide 3,5 sekunde, što dokazuje da je nategnut, to jeste da je urađen u uslovima koje sam već nabrojao, a ti ako to ne kontaš, to je do tebe...stavljanje guma ili korištenje drugog goriva ne znači da auto i dalje nije stock, to je bar toliko jasno...i na kraju, kad mi nađeš da je od 0 do 100 kilometara 3,5 sekunde zvanično (fabričko) ubrzanje ovog modela, onda se javi, a do tada ga bacaj na četiri prstena...

tebi bas krivo sto S8 ide bolje od specifikacija.... sta cu ti ja kad ti fiJat ni fabricke specifikacije ispunit nemoze ;)
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jašta mi je krivo, drama živa...evo čovjek ti je fino napisao razliku između RON računanja oktana, pa se i dalje tješi da mu je 3,5 sekunde do stoje zvaničan rezultat...na kraju, bolje voziti FIAT-a koji ne ide po fabričkim specifikacijama, nego baliti po nečemu što nikad nećeš imati... :thumbup:
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#294 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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johntra wrote:jašta mi je krivo, drama živa...evo čovjek ti je fino napisao razliku između RON računanja oktana, pa se i dalje tješi da mu je 3,5 sekunde do stoje zvaničan rezultat...na kraju, bolje voziti FIAT-a koji ne ide po fabričkim specifikacijama, nego baliti po nečemu što nikad nećeš imati... :thumbup:

ono kako kompleksi progovaraju....
ako ti nemas para za auto ne znaci da niko drugi nema...
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mobsterc wrote:Japan and Europe use a system called RON or Research Octane Number to determine the octane rating of their gasoline, while stateside we use a system called AKI or Anti-Knock Index to determine gasoline's octane rating... Interestingly, to further complicate things it would seem that our own AKI system is actually derived from the average of the RON system and another more complicated system referred to as MON or Motor Octane Number... So, to recap our methodologies for measuring gasoline's octane rating are different, but share some common elements...
So, with the commonality of RON in mind a good rule of thumb is as follows, multiply the foreign RON Octane rating by 0.95 and you will have the US AKI equivalent.

( RON Octane Rating x 0.95 = AKI Octane Rating )
98 RON Octane x 0.95 = 93.1 AKI Octane (US measure)
100 RON Octane x 0.95 = 95 AKI Octane (US measure)

So, as you can see the 93 or 94 octane fuel we are all paying an arm and a leg for is actually quite comparable to the higher octane fuels found in Europe and Japan. The people whom have to worry about low octane rating are our friends out west in places like California that are subjected to substandard 91 octane.
91 AKI Octane (US measure) = 95.5 RON Octane

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Generally, octane ratings are higher in Europe than they are in North America and most other parts of the world. This is especially true when comparing the lowest available octane level in each country. In many parts of Europe, 95 RON (90-91 AKI) is the minimum available standard, with 97/98 RON being higher specification (being called Super Unleaded). The higher rating seen in Europe is an artifact of a different underlying measuring procedure. In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in Canada, the United States and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in Canada and the US, would be 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90–91 US AKI=(R+M)/2, and deliver 98, 99 or 100 (RON) (93-94 AKI) labeled as Super Unleaded - thus regular petrol sold in much of Europe corresponds to premium sold in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

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in the Rocky Mountain (high altitude) states, 85 AKI is the minimum octane, and 91 AKI is the maximum octane available in fuel. The reason for this is that in higher-altitude areas, a typical naturally-aspirated engine draws in less air mass per cycle due to the reduced density of the atmosphere. This directly translates to less fuel and reduced absolute compression in the cylinder, therefore deterring knock. It is safe to fill up a carbureted car that normally takes 87 AKI fuel at sea level with 85 AKI fuel in the mountains, but at sea level the fuel may cause damage to the engine. A disadvantage to this strategy is that most turbocharged vehicles are unable to produce full power, even when using the "premium" 91 AKI fuel. In some east coast states, up to 94 AKI is available [1]. In parts of the Midwest (primarily Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois and Missouri) ethanol based E-85 fuel with 105 AKI is available [2]. Often, filling stations near US racing tracks will offer higher octane levels such as 100 AKI. California fuel stations will offer 87, 89, and 91 AKI octane fuels, and at some stations, 100 AKI or higher octane, sold as racing fuel. Until summer 2001 before the phase-out of methyl tert-butyl ether aka MTBE as an octane enhancer additive, 92 AKI was offered in lieu of 91.
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GaRGa wrote:
ono kako kompleksi progovaraju....
ako ti nemas para za auto ne znaci da niko drugi nema...
ne da ih nemaš, nego ih nemaš sigurno, prema tome i dalje sanjaj....
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johntra wrote:
GaRGa wrote:
ono kako kompleksi progovaraju....
ako ti nemas para za auto ne znaci da niko drugi nema...
ne da ih nemaš, nego ih nemaš sigurno, prema tome i dalje sanjaj....

bas si hejter, a i fukara ocigledno :)
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#298 Re: Audi vs BMW vs Mercedes-Benz

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bolje biti realna fukara, nego slinavi wannabe skorojević...haj sad razligu, dosadan si...
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johntra wrote:bolje biti realna fukara, nego slinavi wannabe skorojević...haj sad razligu, dosadan si...

opet kompleksi progovaraju :D
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kompleksi na šta? na to što ćeš kupiti novi Audi S8? :lol:
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