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valter wrote:
Prenj wrote:
valter wrote: mozda i nije nista otkopao, ali je sigurno bio na vise lokacija nego svi ti "nasi" strucnjaci zajedno ...

nas problem je sto smo svi ograniceni "diplomom", pa se onda ravnamo da svi koji imaju diplomu znaju i materiju, no to jedna velika zabluda, naime znam vise doktora i stomatologa kojima puno bolje ide vozenje autobusa nego li njihova struka, cak znam i nekolicinu el. i IT inzinjera kojima puno bolje ide poljoprivreda i vrtlarstvo nego li struka, pa tako polazim i u ovom slucaju ... Osmanagic ima ideju o piramidi, i pokusava je realizovati, ako te piramide nema, hmmm... bit ce kao i sa svim drugim u BiH, "dobili" smo tolike milijarde, ali samo sretnici su imali srecu dobiti dio te love ... ali sta ako piramida stvarno bude? sta onda? mislim da bi onda bio red da sva ta vrla svita koja je otkopavala rimske rostilje na Ilidzi svoje diplome iskoristi u svrhu tariguza, jer ovo antipiramidalno raspolozenje je samo rezultat straha sta ce biti sa njihovim polozajima ako piramida stvarno bude ...
Svi ti tvoji zalutali strucnjaci su morali prvo nauciti voziti autobus ili kresati siblje, niko im na 'lijepe oci' nije dao posao.
Semir O. NIKADA nije ucestvovao ni na jednom arheoloskom projektu = otkopao je u svojoj karijeri ukupno 0 (NULA) arheoloskih nalazista.
Njegova biografija uspjesnog turiste bi ga mogla kvalifikovati samo za turistickog vodica.
Nazalost, profesionalno ubleharenje je zanat od kojeg kod nas mnogi izvanredno zive.
i ti, kao i drugi, ubleharis i mahalises o nebitnim stvarima, raspravljas o tim mojim zalutalim poznanicima sto je u ovom trenutku nebitno, pitanje je bilo da ponovim, STA AKO PIRAMIDA BUDE!?[/quote]



ako bude piramide ja cu reci,izvinite pogresio sam i izgleda da sam bio corav kod ociju.
a sta ako je ne bude?sta ce te vi reci?
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wels wrote: "Ljulja" on njih vec shirom svijeta.

CNN,BBC,ZDF,CBS, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ....
Jah ..
The Bosnia-Atlantis Connection April 27, 2006
by Mark Rose


Frenzied reporting of supposed pyramids in the Balkans ignores the truth and embraces the fantastic.

The world's oldest and largest pyramid found in Bosnia? It sounds incredible. The story has swept the media, from the Associated Press and the BBC, from papers and websites in the U.S. to those in India and Australia. Too bad that it is not a credible story at all. In fact, it is impossible. Who is the "archaeologist" who has taken the media for a ride? Why did the media not check the story more carefully? ARCHAEOLOGY will address these questions in depth in our next issue, July/August, but for now let's at least put the lie to the claims emanating from Visoko, the town 20 miles northwest of Sarajevo where the "Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun" is located.

Semir (Sam) Osmanagic, a Houston-based Bosnian-American contractor first saw the hills he believes to be pyramids last spring. He is now digging the largest of them and plans to continue the work through November, promoting it as the largest archaeological project underway in Europe. (His call for volunteers even slipped into the Archaeological Institute of America's online listing of excavation opportunities briefly before being yanked.) He claims it is one of five pyramids in the area (along with what he calls the pyramids of the Moon, Earth, and Dragon, plus another that hasn't been named in any account I've seen). These, he says, resemble the 1,800-year-old pyramids at Teotihuacan, just north of Mexico City. Osmanagic maintains that the largest is bigger than the pyramid of Khufu at Giza, and that the Bosnian pyramids date to 12,000 B.C.

Construction of massive pyramids in Bosnia at that period is not believable. Curtis Runnels, a specialist in the prehistory of Greece and the Balkans at Boston University, notes that "Between 27,000 and 12,000 years ago, the Balkans were locked in the last Glacial maximum, a period of very cold and dry climate with glaciers in some of the mountain ranges. The only occupants were Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers who left behind open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. These remains consist of simple stone tools, hearths, and remains of animals and plants that were consumed for food. These people did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture."

But time and again the media reports say that Osmanagic has spent 15 years studying the pyramids of Latin America. What is not included in the reports is how Osmanagic interprets those structures and the cultures that built them. Had anyone bothered to investigate, they would have found rather bizarre notions in Osmanagic's book The World of the Maya (Gorgias Press, Euphrates imprint, 2005; $29.95). I had a look at the online edition of it (accessible on Osmanagic's "Alternative History" website at http://www.alternativnahistorija.com).

A couple of brief passages will convey the gist of Osmanagic's beliefs:

Ordinary watchmakers repair our watches and put them into accordance with Earthly time. It is my theory that the Maya should be considered watchmakers of the cosmos whose mission it is to adjust the Earthly frequency and bring it into accordance with the vibrations of our Sun. Once the Earth begins to vibrate in harmony with the Sun, information will be able to travel in both directions without limitation. And then we will be able to understand why all ancient peoples worshipped the Sun and dedicated their rituals to this. The Sun is the source of all life on this planet and the source of all information and knowledge. ...And with a frequency in harmony, the Earth will, via the Sun, be connected with the center of our Galaxy. These facts become exceptionally important when we realize that we are rapidly approaching December 2012, a date which the Maya have marked as the time of arrival of the Galactic Energy Cluster which will enlighten us.

The descendants of the Maya, the Lacandon Indians in Chiapas were discovered in the mid-twentieth century. This isolated community showed a surprising similarity to the Basque and Berber peoples (most probable descendants of the natives of Atlantis).... In the sacred Mayan book, the Popul Vuh, there are descriptions of cosmic travelers, the use of the compass, the fact that the Earth is round, and knowledge of the secrets of the universe.... The Mayan hieroglyphics tell us that their ancestors came from the Pleiades... first arriving at Atlantis where they created an advanced civilization.

Many cultures around the world, from India, Sumeria, Egypt, Peru, the Indians of North and Central America, the Inca and the Maya, call themselves the "Children of the Sun" or the "children of light." Their ancestors, the civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria, erected the first temples on energy potent point of the Planet. Their most important function was to serve as a gateway to other worlds and dimensions.

And there it is. A self-described archaeologist, who believes the Maya and others are descended from Atlanteans who came from the Pleiades, has been accepted as a legitimate researcher by many news outlets. His ideas of early pyramids in Bosnia, which is simply not possible, has been accepted as a major discovery. How could this happen?

If you want to categorize this farce, it seems a standard-issue "amateur/maverick confounds establishment with great discovery" story, which no doubt makes it appealing to uncritical reporters looking for a big story. This kind of tale is a staple of the pseudoarchaeology or fantastic archaeology genre. And the term "pyramidiot" has been applied to those obsessed with pyramids and who offer strange interpretations of them on websites and in books and televsion programs. (See "Seductions of Pseudoarchaeology: Far Out Television").

Such stories infuriate serious scholars like Runnels. "These reports are irresponsible on the part of journalists," he says. "These claims are completely unsupported with any kind of factual evidence, such as artifacts or photographs of the alleged architectures. They have not been confirmed by archaeologists who have the training and competence to evaluate them. The person making the claims appears to have no training in archaeology and has not presented his finds in a way that would allow them to be scrutinized by trained experts. This is simply sensationalism and grandstanding and the journalists who have reported on these claims, without first fact-checking the stories with professional archaeologists, should be ashamed of themselves. People who believe these stories, especially when they are presented without evidence, are fools."

Some in the academic establishment have spoken out. They maintain that the kind of project Osmanagic is running is far worse than just misleading the gullible public. Following a report about Osmanagic in the London Times, Anthony Harding, president European Association of Archaeologists, wrote the editors, "The situation of professional heritage management in Bosnia-Herzegovina is, since the Bosnian war, in a poor state, with a klix number of people trying to do what they can to protect their rich heritage from looting and unmonitored or unauthorised development. It adds insult to injury when rich outsiders can come in and spend large sums pursuing their absurd theories (the construction of a colossal pyramid so large that it dwarfs even those of Egypt or Mesoamerica? 12,000 years ago?), in ways that most other countries would never countenance, instead of devoting their cash to the preservation of the endangered genuine sites and monuments in which Bosnia-Herzegovina abounds."

Others fear that Osmanagic's excavations will damage real sites (the hill he calls the "Pyramid of the Sun" is said to have medieval, Roman, and Illyrian remains on it). In one of the few critical accounts of the Bosnian pyramid story, which appeared in the Art Newspaper, the University of Sarejevo's Enver Imamovic, a former director of the National Museum in Sarjevo, is quoted as saying, "This is the equivalent of letting me, an archaeologist, perform surgery in hospitals."

There is public outcry within Bosnia, and an online petition that seeks to shut down Osmanagic's project. But he apparently has backers within the federal government and the Sarejevo city government. Whether he is allowed to continue or not is unresolved for now, and his website makes no mention of any controversy. And even when the mainstream media catch up and realize that the "Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun" is no such thing, it will have entered the annals of fantastic archaeology and will have a multitude of believers and defenders.

Mark Rose is executive and online editor of ARCHAEOLOGY.
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© 2006 by the Archaeological Institute of America
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanagic/
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...Licno sam skeptican po pitanju piramida...ali sto sam procitao u dosadasnjoj diskusiji je jadno...

...Prvo imamo fanatike i sjedne i s druge strane koji lice na bijesne pse u ovoj "argumentovanoj raspravi"...

...Drugo, apsolutno nemam nista protiv toga sto Semir vrsi otkopavanja...pronasao je neke blokove i neka nastavi s radovima...

...Kome to moze smetati? Mozda ovim dezerterima koji, na bilo kakav nacin u startu pokusavaju da svojom disciplinom: "pljuvanja u dalj iz dijaspore", ocrne covjeka, a sami su negdje daleko...iza mora i sedam gora...i uvijek, ama bas uvijek, sole pamet ljudima u Bosni, kako bi se trebali ponasati, kako bi trebali zivjeti, a sami su kliznuli kada je bilo "najlakse"...pa jebite se vise s tim filozofiranjem...(ili platite psihijatra, to je moda na zapadu, da se njemu jadate...)

Nadalje, procitao sam clanak u DANIMA, tom smecu od novine, u kojem sam ocekivao da ce ponuditi kontrargumente argumentima koje je Semir u svom otvorenom pismu naveo i pozvao da ih se ospori...

...Medjutim, novinaru iz DANA nije palo na pamet da pomene nesto od tih cinjenica...nego po starom dobrom obicaju, potrebno je prvo covjeka ispljuvat, a onda argumente ko jebe...

...Pa ljudi, ima i drugih intelektualaca koji smatraju da se radi o piramidi, kao sto je Nadjija Nukic...zasto se niko ne osvrne na tu cinjenicu...mozda nam DANI u narednom broju kazu, kako je Nadjija Nukic, u osnovnoj skoli prepisivala od drugarici (SOKANTNO :shock: ) ili da je zaboravila napisati domacu zadacu u petom razredu, pa se sada kao kofrci, pronalazi piramidu...

...Poenta: U dosadasnjim radovima na piramidi, pronadjeno je mnogo anomalija, za koje antipiramidasi nisu dali objasnjenje...Semir je svoje objasnjenje dao...treba covjeka pustiti da zavrsi radove pa da vidimo sta ce biti od svega...
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valter wrote: i ti, kao i drugi, ubleharis i mahalises o nebitnim stvarima, raspravljas o tim mojim zalutalim poznanicima sto je u ovom trenutku nebitno, pitanje je bilo da ponovim, STA AKO PIRAMIDA BUDE!?
Ako bude piramide, ja odoh kopati, a ako je ne bude?
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Allhambra wrote: A vidim i neko pominjanje odvodjenja kuci, ali kako su me upozorili da je ovo fini i kulturni forum, i da nema vrijedjanja, nema potrebe da spominjem mater seljacku, jel tako ?
Nema potrebe, iako je, sudeci po tvojim postovima, spominjanje majki seljackih i slicno, tvoja oblast, gdje se snalazis kao riba u vodi. Tu mozes postici najvise jer se u drugim stvarima lijepo provaljujes, kao na primjer u ovom dole: :roll:

Preci cu odmah na dokaze i postirati vam svima jedan link, naucni dokazi:
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/ajaxfiles/p ... %20web.pdf
Poanta kosmickog sjevera prema kom je orjentirana sjeverna strana piramide Sunca je da je orjentiran tacno prema zvijezdi sjevernjaci tj da je mjerenjima dokazano da orjentacija kasni tacno 11 minuta, sto odgovara polozaju zvijezde Sjevernjace (North Star).
Poenta "kosmickog sjevera" je da pojaca utisak kod naivnih da se radi o necem jakom, naucnom, da se u ljudima, koji se mnogo ne razumiju u orijentaciju, stvori utisak velicine. Zamisli "KOSMICKI" sjever. Ljudi su navikli na rijec "geografski" sjever. Oni koji malo vise znaju, upoznati su sa pojmom "magnetni" sjever. A kao zacin svega sada dolazi "KOSMICKI".
Ovakav pojam, "kosmicki sjever", ne postoji u orijentaciji, gospodjice Alhambra.
Osjecaj se PREVARENOM
. :-)
Zapamti: Sjever mjeren prema zvijezdi Sjevernjaci se zove GEOGRAFSKI sjever.

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Taze vijest ...
Pyramid in Bosnia -- Huge Hoax or Colossal Find?
Sean Markey
for National Geographic News
May 12, 2006

He's been called a Balkan Indiana Jones. Others label him a dreamer, or worse, a pyramid buff with loony ideas.
Despite his critics (and he has many) Semir "Sam" Osmanagic believes he's discovered the find of a lifetime—a series of ancient pyramids in the heart of Bosnia.
If the Bosnian-American businessman is correct, the structures would be the first known step pyramids in Europe.
"I am 100 percent sure. There is no other option," the Houston, Texas-based Osmanagic said.
At the heart of Osmanagic's belief is Visocica hill, an undeniably pyramid-shaped mound near the town of Visoko, 18 miles (30 kilometers) northwest of Sarajevo (see a Bosnia and Herzegovina map).
Visoko, the former medieval capital of Bosnia, cradles a rich history, including Roman and Illyrian ruins and countless Neolithic artifacts.
Last month Osmanagic and his team began sinking a series of wells into the 700-foot-tall (213-meter-tall) hill, which Osmanagic renamed the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun.
The kick-off was observed by a clutch of onlookers, journalists, and—in what may be a first for such endeavors—contestants from the Miss Bosnia beauty pageant.
So far a mixed crew of volunteers and hired help has unearthed a network of tunnels along with what Osmanagic describes as ancient mortar and sandstone blocks shaped by human hands.
He says the pyramid is at least 2,500 years old and may even date to the last ice age, which ended about 10,000 years ago.
"Hopefully we can find some organic material, you know, the bones or the wooden fragments, or charcoal. … Then we can tell for sure," he said.

In recent months thousands of tourists have flooded into Visoko to peer at the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun and its neighbors, the nearby hills christened the Pyramids of the Moon and the Dragon.
Local entrepreneurs have been quick to cash in on the interest, knocking out pyramid-themed souvenirs, including clocks, slippers, and T-shirts.
One pizza parlor now serves triangular pies on triangular platters. And a local hotel recently changed its name to the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Motel.
Supporters say the dig is a spade of positive news in the once war-torn country, which endured a brutal four-year civil conflict in the 1990s.
In an email, Bosnian Meho said he was "amazed with a finding [of] pyramids, like many others Bosnians."
"This is [the] first positive thing, and so many of us now [are] getting together [for the] first time after the war, because we [have] got something positive to talk about."
Osmanagic echoes the sentiment: "Finally we have something so positive happening in this little, klix, ruined country of Bosnia."

Professional Outcry

While he concedes that the notion of such colossal structures in the region defies accepted history, Osmanagic is adamant that the pyramids are real.
But a pantheon of archaeologists disagrees.
Prominent Bosnian archaeologists entered the scrum early on, denouncing the dig and lobbying to shut it down.
Anthony Harding, president of the Czech Republic-based European Association of Archaeologists, has dismissed Osmanagic's ideas as "wacky" and "absurd."

Garrett Fagan, of Pennsylvania State University in University Park, has slammed the project. He says that the dig will destroy bona fide archaeological sites in the area.
He recently told the London Times newspaper: "It's as if someone were given permission to bulldoze Stonehenge to find secret chambers of lost ancient wisdom underneath."
Experts shovel some of their scorn on the media, which have been trumpeting Osmanagic's astounding announcements in recent weeks.
Many news Web sites, including the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, MSNBC, and ABC, ran a credulous Associated Press story dated April 19 that carried the headline, "Experts Find Evidence of Bosnia Pyramid."
In response, the executive editor of New York-based Archaeology magazine, Mark Rose, blasted Osmanagic as a quack and the press as gullible.
To emphasize his case, Rose quoted from online excerpts of a 2005 book by Osmanagic about the Maya.
Passages from the book suggest the Maya descended from the people of the mythical city of Atlantis, who themselves are aliens who came to Earth from the Pleiades star cluster.
Osmanagic counters that the material was misrepresented and was not his theory, but an interpretation of a Maya codex, or ancient book.
In general, the Bosnian-American dismisses Rose and other critics. Reported to have the Bosnian government's support, he plans to press on with this year's six-month excavation.
"I understand that the archaeologists would be the last ones to accept the fact that thousands of years back we did have advanced civilization in this region," he said.

Osmanagic remains confident his team will unearth sufficient proof to back that claim.

Given the level of professional skepticism, it will be a tough sell.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," said Curtis Runnels, an archaeologist at Boston University in Massachusetts and a Balkan prehistory expert.

He says the known Upper Paleolithic peoples in the region were lucky if they could build tents and fires. Monumental architecture on a scale not even seen in Egypt would be a cosmic leap forward.

"It is not up to professional archaeologists to explain 200 years of research and evidence," Runnels said. "It is up to Mr. Osmanagic to prove his claims."
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Ako jos neko ima iluzija da je ovom tipu zbilja stalo do naucne istine ...

U gornjem clanku, Semir je izjavio novinaru NG-a sljedece:
"Hopefully we can find some organic material, you know, the bones or the wooden fragments, or charcoal. … Then we can tell for sure," he said.
Ali kosturi su vec nadjeni, samo to Semir iz jasnih razloga, presucuje i onda u lice laze novinaru NG-a.
Naime, u novembru prošle godine njegova je Fondacija objavila geološki izvještaj Nadžije Nukić – dostupan na službenoj web stranici pod linkom Izvještaji – u kojem piše:
„Međutim u II redu ploča sa desne strane sondažnog bunara nailazimo na dvije ploče pješčara koje se nalaze jedna preko druge ukošene pod uglom od cca 25o. Između te dvije ploče je glinoviti lapor u kome se nalazi ljudski kostur. Ovaj kostur nije čitav, sastoji se od cijele lijeve noge, lista desne noge i dijelova lobanje koja je smještena u području karlice.
U III redu ploča sve su poredane jedna preko druge, pod istim uglom kao i u II redu. U ovom III redu takođe su nađeni ostasci ljudskog skeleta.
Ostaci ovog skeleta su od strane arheologa, slikane, orjentisane u prostoru, uredno spakovane i predate na analizu za utvrđivanje njihove starosti.”
Sta je jos od materijalnih dokaza koji se uklapaju u Semirove teorije kosmickog sjevera i alternativnih svjetova, presuceno, sakriveno, unisteno, mozemo samo nagadjati.
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Allhambra wrote: Poanta kosmickog sjevera prema kom je orjentirana sjeverna strana piramide Sunca je da je orjentiran tacno prema zvijezdi sjevernjaci tj da je mjerenjima dokazano da orjentacija kasni tacno 11 minuta, sto odgovara polozaju zvijezde Sjevernjace (North Star).
Visoko, 24.4.2006. - "Geodetski zavod BiH uradio je analizu dimenzija sjeverne stranice Bosanske piramide Sunca. Zaključeno je da je dužina svih stranica po 365 metara i one obrazuju jednakostranični trougao s po 60&186; na svakom uglu.
Također, u istoj instituciji potvrđeno je da je ova strana orijentirana prema kosmičkom sjeveru – drugim riječima, postoji odstupanje od geografskog sjevera za 21', čime se piramida poklapa s lokacijom zvijezde Sjevernjače."
:D A da se vi prvo dogovorite oko ovih minutaza. :zzzz:
Ili, .... da organizujemo mobu, pa da ih malo nashtimamo,a .....mozda je i zvijezda Sjevernjaca (North Star) pocela da "talashe", ... :oops:
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Jedan primjer: beba je u majcinom stomaku. Koji to doktor
moze da kaze: beba je dugacka 54 cm?
A kada se beba rodi, tek onda je mogu izmjeriti.
Logicno, zar ne? A sto ovdje nema logike, nego preovladava masta,
to je vec stvar za dublju analizu.

Hallo Kekec:

U cetvrtom mjesecu trudnoce kod bebe se moze izmjeriti duzina kosti od lakta do sake, razmak izmedu ocnih supljina, duzina kostiju noge itd...... trebam li ti objasniti da se onda i zna koliko je duga beba i predpostavka kolika ce biti kad se rodi. To se radi na ultrazvuku broj 2 koji se radi za posebne potrebe.
Nemoj pricati ono sto ne znas :-D :oops: 8-) 8-)
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Sarajevski geolozi u posjeti piramidi

Brdo Visocˇicu ? Bosansku piramidu Sunca posjetit c´e 16. maja i ekipa domac´ih geologa s Gra?evinskog fakulteta u Sarajevu.
Prema informacijama iz Fondacije Arheolosˇki park: "Bosanska piramida Sunca", geolozi c´e razgledati sondazˇne bunare otvorene na Visocˇici, a nakon geolosˇkih analiza, tokom sljedec´e sedmice, bit c´e uprilicˇena i konferencija za novinare.

Geolosˇke analize obavit c´e direktor Instituta za geologiju prof. dr. Mirza Basˇagic´, strucˇnjak za geomehaniku stijena i gra?evinske materijale prof.dr. Zlatko Langhof i prof. dr. Muris Osmanagic´.

"Za razliku od tuzlanskih geologa koji dosada nisu pregledali otkopane kamene blokove, a vec´ su izasˇli u javnost s dalekosezˇnim zakljucˇkom, zˇelimo da sarajevski geolozi prate radove po etapama", porucˇuju iz Fondacije.

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Evo još prirodnig geoloških formacija na piramidi mjeseca nastalih dejstvom endodinamičkih i egzodimaničkih procesa.
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lily0001 wrote:Jedan primjer: beba je u majcinom stomaku. Koji to doktor
moze da kaze: beba je dugacka 54 cm?
A kada se beba rodi, tek onda je mogu izmjeriti.
Logicno, zar ne? A sto ovdje nema logike, nego preovladava masta,
to je vec stvar za dublju analizu.
Hallo Kekec:
U cetvrtom mjesecu trudnoce kod bebe se moze izmjeriti duzina kosti od lakta do sake, razmak izmedu ocnih supljina, duzina kostiju noge itd...... trebam li ti objasniti da se onda i zna koliko je duga beba i predpostavka kolika ce biti kad se rodi. To se radi na ultrazvuku broj 2 koji se radi za posebne potrebe.
Nemoj pricati ono sto ne znas :-D :oops: 8-) 8-)
Draga Lily,
ovdje je rijec o TACNO odredjenim dimenzijama piramide, a ne o PRETPOSTAVKAMA. :-)
Poredjenje bebe sa piramidom je bilo vise figurativno, jer jos nisam cuo
da se govori o duzini bebe koja jos nije rodjena. Tek kada se rodi, onda se
duzina i tezina objavljuju, zapisuju, a bogami i pamte. :)
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Post by pape »

seljak_cojek wrote:Evo još prirodnig geoloških formacija na piramidi mjeseca nastalih dejstvom endodinamičkih i egzodimaničkih procesa.
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:) Ovo je vec nesto konkretnije, .... svaka cast. Potvrdjuje se i u praksi ono sto se vec odavno znalo. Ukazuju se ostaci vrijednih ruku srednjovjekovnih stanovnika na ovim prostorima. :) Aferim za kopache. :)
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#2739

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lily0001 wrote:Jedan primjer: beba je u majcinom stomaku. Koji to doktor
moze da kaze: beba je dugacka 54 cm?
A kada se beba rodi, tek onda je mogu izmjeriti.
Logicno, zar ne? A sto ovdje nema logike, nego preovladava masta,
to je vec stvar za dublju analizu.
Hallo Kekec:
U cetvrtom mjesecu trudnoce kod bebe se moze izmjeriti duzina kosti od lakta do sake, razmak izmedu ocnih supljina, duzina kostiju noge itd...... trebam li ti objasniti da se onda i zna koliko je duga beba i predpostavka kolika ce biti kad se rodi. To se radi na ultrazvuku broj 2 koji se radi za posebne potrebe.
Nemoj pricati ono sto ne znas :-D :oops: 8-) 8-)
u cetvrtom mjesecu trudnoce se moze izmjeriti puno vise nego sto ti navodis, fakat puno vise, cak je to danas i standard da se mjeri recimo sirina vertebralnog kanala u cervikalnom dijelu kicme kao i debljina koznih nabora vrata ... a sto se tice duzine bebe, pa zna se neki prosjek, ja ne znam niti jednu zenu da je rodila dijete od 62 cm :)
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Prenj wrote:
valter wrote: i ti, kao i drugi, ubleharis i mahalises o nebitnim stvarima, raspravljas o tim mojim zalutalim poznanicima sto je u ovom trenutku nebitno, pitanje je bilo da ponovim, STA AKO PIRAMIDA BUDE!?
Ako bude piramide, ja odoh kopati, a ako je ne bude?
onda cemo zivjeti kao i do sada, bez piramida :)
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Na izvanrednom blogu http://stultitia.blogger.ba pise i sljedece:
Obilazeći piramide na drugom kraju planete, Ekspertno Oko očito – i nažalost – nije našlo niti vremena niti za shodno provjeriti da li se stepenasti obrisi brda Visočice možda poklapaju i s nečim drugim?

Brojne fotografije raznih bosanskohercegovačkih srednjovjekovnih urbanih cjelina ukazuju da su one podizane gotovo po istom šablonu – na vrhovima brda i uzvišenjima, s jednim tipičnim srednjovjekovnim principom, od Vidoštaka do Doboja – na samom vrhu je tvrđava pod kojom se prostire naselje. Po istom ovom tipskom urbanističkom principu, utvrda je služila za zaklon stanovništva u slučaju napada, te je iz istog odbrambenog razloga uvijek podijeljena na odbrambene krugove. Ukoliko odbrana jednog fortificiranog kruga padne, povlačenje u sljedeći daje novu šansu za preživljavanje.

Uz to, gradnja ovakvih fortificiranih terasa davala je više površine samoj tvrđavi.

O kakvim je fortificiranim prstenovima i terasama riječ, nabolji primjer predstavljaju Travnik i Doboj. Ukoliko bi zidine ovih gradova bile, recimo, u mnogo lošijem stanju i obrasle vegetacijom, ne bi li i ova brda, travničko i dobojsko, ličila na 'stepenaste piramidalne anomalije antropogenog porijekla', kako naše novopečene Ekspertne Oči to vole kazati?

Ili ukoliko bi, recimo, stare jajačke zidine i kuće bile samo ruševine obrasle travom, ne bi li i jajačko brdo ličilo na stepenastu piramidu s platoom na vrhu?

Ili, pak, ako bi se usporedile fotografije Osmanagićevog dokaza o Bosanskoj Piramidi Sunca s fotografijom srednjovjekovnog Bužima ili Stoca - moglo bi se pomisliti da je svaki naš srednjovjekovni grad podignut na nekoj stepenastoj piramidi?!

I na koncu, nakon svih ovih fotografija, ako bi se pogledale slike i tlocrti onog što je zaštićeno kao nacionalni spomenik Visoki – ne čini li se da tu nešto nedostaje? Kraljevski – politički i trgovački najvažniji grad Bosanske države – Visoki bio je stješnjen na prostor manji od polovine fudbalskog igrališta? I imao je samo jedan odbrambeni prsten, jedan jedini potez zidina? Da sam ja bila dubrovački trgovac srebrom, sigurno ne bih tu noćila sa svojom robom, u ta vremena…

I to je ono pitanje koje tzv. antipiramidaši postavljaju od samog početka ovog rugla zvanog Bosanska Piramida Sunca – a šta ako Semir Osmanagić i njegova Fondacija svojim nekompetentnim raskopavanjem Visočice nepovratno uništavaju i ugrožavaju jedan od najvažnijih historijsko-arheoloških lokaliteta u Bosni i Hercegovini?
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#2742

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Pitanje za anti-piramidaše: Mislite li još uvijek da treba obustaviti iskopavanja jer je to samo brdo? (vidjeti prethodne slike)
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seljak_cojek wrote:Pitanje za anti-piramidaše: Mislite li još uvijek da treba obustaviti iskopavanja jer je to samo brdo? (vidjeti prethodne slike)
Da.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... nia-1.html
Garrett Fagan, of Pennsylvania State University in University Park, has slammed the project. He says that the dig will destroy bona fide archaeological sites in the area.
He recently told the London Times newspaper: "It's as if someone were given permission to bulldoze Stonehenge to find secret chambers of lost ancient wisdom underneath."
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seljak_cojek wrote:Pitanje za anti-piramidaše: Mislite li još uvijek da treba obustaviti iskopavanja jer je to samo brdo? (vidjeti prethodne slike)
Normalno da treba kopati da narod ne uzgubi radnu naviku dok ne ispadne sta prece i pametnije za kopanje :roll:
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#2745

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seljak_cojek wrote:Pitanje za anti-piramidaše: Mislite li još uvijek da treba obustaviti iskopavanja jer je to samo brdo? (vidjeti prethodne slike)
Iskopavanja se ne moraju obustaviti, ali Osmanagic svakako. Tj. on ne smije voditi iskopavanja, posto jednostavno nema pojma o arheologiji. Neka to rade oni, koji imau odgovarajucu struku i iskustvo. Piramidu naravno nece iskopati, ali sta je tu je. Prije nego jos vecu stetu nanesu.

Jedino sta Osmanagic smije, je slikati se pred tim iskopanim kamenjem. :lol: :lol:
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I sta kad se iskopa?
Da propada kao i svi ostali bosanski srednjevjekovni gradovi?
Nije zvaka za seljaka.
Treba SVE ostaviti pod zemljom za neke buduce generacije koje ce bolje znati kako da se brinu o svojoj istoriji od nas :(
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Gospon Macola wrote:[Neka to rade oni, koji imau odgovarajucu struku i iskustvo.
pa nek se pridruze niko im valjda ne brani :) :faraon:
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#2748

Post by Gera »

Hebote kao da svi za Zelju navijamo te nam treba nekoliko hiljada godina da skontamo da nam piramide rastu u avliji :lol:
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jel se ono sutra semir vraca iz usa???
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Post by seljak_cojek »

pape wrote: Ovo je vec nesto konkretnije, .... svaka cast. Potvrdjuje se i u praksi ono sto se vec odavno znalo. Ukazuju se ostaci vrijednih ruku srednjovjekovnih stanovnika na ovim prostorima. :) Aferim za kopache. :)
Nešto se ne sjećam da je neko iz naučnih krugova govorio o ovom kamenju (osim ublehaša, piramidaša). Prvo su negirali postojanje bilo čega što je posljedica djelovanja čovjeka, pa kad su se pojavili prvi kameni blokovi, onda su to bili položeni stećci, pa su onda geolozi rekli da su prirodne geološke formacije. Na kraju će biti, ma znali smo za piramidu samo nismo htjeli reći da ne kvarimo draž otkopavanja, beze bi bilo kopati da se znalo šta je ispod.
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