#2551 Re: KJKP TOPLANE Sarajevo
Posted: 25/05/2023 16:17
pratim.Vox_liberi wrote: ↑25/05/2023 15:54 Može li ovdje ili u inbox preporuka nekog pouzdanog majstora za radijatore, od koga bi i uzeli nove gusane radijatore? Hvala
pratim.Vox_liberi wrote: ↑25/05/2023 15:54 Može li ovdje ili u inbox preporuka nekog pouzdanog majstora za radijatore, od koga bi i uzeli nove gusane radijatore? Hvala
Nema. Barem ja nisam našao da neko ima nove gusane radijatore za toplane.Vox_liberi wrote: ↑25/05/2023 15:54 Može li ovdje ili u inbox preporuka nekog pouzdanog majstora za radijatore, od koga bi i uzeli nove gusane radijatore? Hvala
vidio sam u Penny da imaju nove gusane radijatore ali su baš skupi - čini mi se 35KM po rebruokanomalo wrote: ↑25/05/2023 16:17pratim.Vox_liberi wrote: ↑25/05/2023 15:54 Može li ovdje ili u inbox preporuka nekog pouzdanog majstora za radijatore, od koga bi i uzeli nove gusane radijatore? Hvalakod mene su konvektori (mislim da se tako zove ) stari su bar 40godina. sve dotrajalo, vrijeme je da se promjene.dvoumim se oko aluminijskih i gusanih radijatora.
Stvar sa svim grijnim tijelima koji se priključuju na Toplane je da moraju odgovarati sistemu. Tražite od Toplana koje tehničke karaktertistike mora radijator zadovoljiti, pa provjerite radijator u prodavmici. To važi za sve, za gusane, aluminijske, peškiraše, itd.
Naravno, može se variti, ali je toliko teško da niko to ne želi. Lako se dogodi da var izgleda dobro a onda da napravi veću štetu. A ko bi i pristao, ne bi mogao naplatiti uloženi trud i vrijeme.vjeshalica wrote: ↑26/05/2023 21:22 Gusani radijator je neunistiv a da se vari,gus moze,ali to vise niko ne radi ili tesko...
Guidelines for Welding Cast Iron
Cast iron is difficult, but not impossible, to weld. In most cases, welding on cast iron involves repairs to castings, not joining casting to other members. The repairs may be made in the foundry where the castings are produced, or may be made to repair casting defects that are discovered after the part is machined. Mis-machined cast iron parts may require repair welding, such as when holes are drilled in the wrong location. Frequently, broken cast iron parts are repaired by welding. Broken cast iron parts are not unusual, given the brittle nature of most cast iron.
While there are a variety of types of cast iron, the most common is gray cast iron, and these guidelines are directed toward this type of material.
A few facts about cast iron help in understanding the welding challenges. Cast iron typically has a carbon content of 2% - 4%, roughly 10 times as much as most steels. The high carbon content causes the carbon to form flakes of graphite. This graphite gives gray cast iron its characteristic appearance when fractured.
When castings are made, molten iron is poured into a mold and allowed to slowly cool. When this high carbon material is allowed to cool slowly, crack free castings can be made. Remembering this is helpful when welding cast iron: during and after welding, the casting must either be allowed to cool slowly, or should be kept cool enough that the rate of cooling is not important.
A critical temperature in most cast iron is about 1450 degrees F. When at this temperature, conditions that can lead to cracking occur. While the arc will heat the casting to temperatures above this level, it is important that the casting not be held at this temperature for long periods of time.
Electrode Selection
If the part is to be machined after welding, a nickel-type electrode will be required. Use Tech-Rod® 99 stick electrode for single pass, high dilution welds. Tech-Rod® 55 is preferred for multiple pass welds. Sometimes, root passes are put in with Tech-Rod 99, followed by fill passes with Tech-Rod 55. For welds where machining is not required, and where the weld is expected to rust like the cast iron, Lincoln Ferroweld® stick electrode can be used.
To Heat, or not to Heat
In general, it is preferred to weld cast iron with preheat--and lots of it. But, another way to successfully weld cast iron is to keep it cool--not cold, but cool. Below, both methods will be described. However, once you select a method, stick with it. Keep it hot, or keep it cool, but don't change horses in the middle of the stream.
Welding Techniques with Preheat
Preheating the cast iron part before welding will slow the cooling rate of the weld, and the region surround the weld. It is always preferred to heat the entire casting, if possible. Typical preheat temperatures are 500-1200 degrees F. Don’t heat over 1400 degrees F since that will put the material into the critical temperature range. Preheat the part slowly and uniformly.
Weld using a low current, to minimize admixture, and residual stresses. In some cases, it may be necessary to restrict the welds to small, approximately 1-inch long segments to prevent the build up of residual stresses that can lead to cracking. Peening of weld beads can be helpful in this regard as well.
After welding, allow the part to slowly cool. Wrapping the casting in an insulating blanket, or burying it in dry sand, will help slow cooling rates, and reduce cracking tendencies.
Welding Techniques without Preheat
The size of the casting, or other circumstances, may require that the repair be made without preheat. When this is the case, the part needs to be kept cool, but not cold.
Raising the casting temperature to 100 degrees F is helpful. If the part is on an engine, it may be possible to run it for a few minutes to obtain this temperature. Never heat the casting so hot that you cannot place your bare hand on it.
Make short, approximately 1” long welds. Peening after welding is important with this technique. Allow the weld and the casting to cool. Do not accelerate the rate of cooling with water or compressed air. It may be possible to weld in another area of the casting while the previous weld cools. All craters should be filled. Whenever possible, the beads should be deposited in the same direction, and it is preferred that the ends of parallel beads not line up with each other.
Sealing Cracks
Because of the nature of cast iron, klix cracks tend to appear next to the weld even when good procedures are followed. If the casting must be water tight, this can be a problem. However, leaking can usually be eliminated with some sort of sealing compound or they may rust shut very soon after being returned to service.
The Studding Method
One method used to repair major breaks in large castings is to drill and tap holes over the surfaces that have been beveled to receive the repair weld metal. Screw steel studs into the threaded holes, leaving 3/16” (5 mm) to ¼” (6 mm)of the stud above the surface. Using the methods discussed above, weld the studs in place and cover the entire surface of the break with weld deposit. Once a good weld deposit is made, the two sides of the crack can be welded together.
Zato sto moras imati onu veliku T alatku.sime_cipol wrote: ↑27/05/2023 08:35 Zasto se ne izbaci rebro koje ne valja, a ostala vrate i nastave grijati![]()

Šta si htjela reći?vjeshalica wrote: ↑27/05/2023 06:35 Moj Hakize ljudi varili gus u nasoj industriji kad ti nisi postojao zivotom.
dobar info - nije mi palo na pamet da gusani ne može na toplane
Može gusani, ali ne može taj iz Penny. Nisu svi gusani isti.
Ako se ne mogu nabaviti oni koji su mogli iz Srbije do prije koju godinu, onda bi to šta ti pišeš moglo biti jedino rješenje za ljude koji žele gusane radijatore.
Ja kad sam trazio nije bas. Treba ti odredjeni broj rebara. To se mora ustimati, pa onda malo ispjeskariti ili barem skinuti stara boja smirglom, pa ofarbati. I onda uznijeti u stan. I onda imas radijatore stare 50ak godina.
Pa valjda zato što ih je vrijeme pregazilo po dosta osnova , hajmo samo o težini !Hakiz wrote: ↑27/05/2023 18:55Ako se ne mogu nabaviti oni koji su mogli iz Srbije do prije koju godinu, onda bi to šta ti pišeš moglo biti jedino rješenje za ljude koji žele gusane radijatore.
Prije ili poslije svi će preći na ove "moderne"
Koji je razlog "nestanka" gusanih radijatora, zna li neko zašto se od njih odustaje?
Znači, ne znaš ni ti, čim kažeš "valjda". Koje bi bile druge "osnove" pored težine?mayab wrote: ↑28/05/2023 09:55Pa valjda zato što ih je vrijeme pregazilo po dosta osnova , hajmo samo o težini !Hakiz wrote: ↑27/05/2023 18:55
Ako se ne mogu nabaviti oni koji su mogli iz Srbije do prije koju godinu, onda bi to šta ti pišeš moglo biti jedino rješenje za ljude koji žele gusane radijatore.
Prije ili poslije svi će preći na ove "moderne"
Koji je razlog "nestanka" gusanih radijatora, zna li neko zašto se od njih odustaje?
Dosta ljudi ne konta da aluminij isto ima ogromnu izdržljivost , valjda što je lagan , pa ljudi misle to neće izdržati![]()
A ovamo, bicikli se prave od aluminija , i auta sve više , i naravno nisu ništa slabiji i lošiji od onih od željeza , naprotiv ...
Koliko ja znam, rijetko pukne samo rebro. Radijatori češće procure na spoju između dva rebra. To bi moglo značiti izmjenu oba rebra između kojih je procurilo?sime_cipol wrote: ↑27/05/2023 08:35 Zasto se ne izbaci rebro koje ne valja, a ostala vrate i nastave grijati![]()
Ma, i mrsko je. Meni je mrsko bilo kakvu dokumentaciju ganjati, pa i ovusime_cipol wrote: ↑28/05/2023 11:30Nije raji mrsko, nego imaju dugova, a sa dugovima ne mozes aplicirati![]()