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nineac wrote:Doduše došla je "demokratija" pa sigurno je to sad sigurnije samo ja to nevidim ali je garant tako, jer eto neki dan ona čistačica palavrićka kaže da smo živili u mraku dok je tito bio.

Zadig wrote:iskljuciva kategorizacija drug vodenjak

nineac wrote:Dobro mine su nevezane za to kakva je sigurnosna situacija.
neko reče da je ovo posljedica rata. Pa nesjecam se da je 1955 godine država dozvoljavala ovoliku prostituciju, bjelo roblje itd. Danas svi makroi imaju nekog u vlasti, a prije se za prostituciju znalo samo kroz filmove.

Vodenjak wrote:...vecina diskutanata na forumu jednostavno, bez opterecenja - voli Josipa Broza i vrijeme u kome je isti vladao!

BigusDickus wrote:

Vodenjak wrote:...vecina diskutanata na forumu jednostavno, bez opterecenja - voli Josipa Broza i vrijeme u kome je isti vladao!

Mozes zamisliti kako je tek bilo u Njemackoj, tamo "nekad", "zlatnih" 30-ih, 40-ih... kada je vecina Nijemaca "jednostavno, bez opterecenja" klicala svom vodji, koji ih je ujedinio iza ideje superiornosti arijevske rase. Nauka, tehnika, industrija, ekonomska, vojna i politicka moc Njemacke je strelovito rasla... eh, da, to su bila vremena... sjeca se Herr. Wasserman.

Šandor wrote:Pape protiv Tita.
Zemlja ce se otvoriti
Sandor ce u nju propasti
I do kosti istruhnuti


Ipak Pape, isfrustriran si tom svojom sarajevstinom do bola..... ......pa bolan.... ......nije mogao komunizam nastati u onoj formi......bez seljaka na sred Ferhadije..... ........al nije mogao ni opstati.....

Sad vjerovatno kontas odakle sam ja sljego.....ali moji su u Sarajevu jako dugo.....i nisu NIKAD imali stan u centru.....kule i dvorove....imanja i ostalo..... ......barem ne ovi sa oceve strane..... A i ovi s druge strane....sve sto su imali svojim su rukama zaradili....niko im nista nije poklonio.....dok im komunisti nisu sve oduzeli..... mislim....neka su oduzeli....i to je zivot.....nema veze.....ali pitanje je hoce li oni koji ne daju na Tita ikad shvatit sta je dovelo do sranja kroz koje smo prosli....?
Mislim da nece nikad.

I translated the following from an article by Fritjof Meyer published in the special feature Die Flucht der Deutschen of the German news magazine Der Spiegel.

Mocking the Victims

If Germany can chase away hundreds of thousands of Jews and Russia transports millions of people from one end of the continent to the other, then a few hundred thousand Albanians will not cause a world war. Thus the Belgrade minister Vaso Cubrilovic invoked competent models in an official memorandum written in 1937.
He was able to calculate the risks, for he had in 1914 taken part in the conspiracy for the attempt on the Austrian successor to the throne Franz Ferdinand, which 88 years ago led to the outbreak of the First World War.
The Serbian chauvinists’ call for ethnic cleansing, however, also referred to a German minority whose ancestors had been settled north of Belgrade after the withdrawal of the Turks 300 years before – the “Danube Svabians”. These hard-working people had transformed the steppe in the “Batshka” and the “Banat” into rich agricultural land, the present-day Voivodina.
The Serbian Nikola Pasic, architect of the multiethnic state created in 1918 which called itself Yugoslavia since 1929, considered it a mistake that the Germans were not already expelled back then. Serbian delegates in the 1920s recommended their resettlement to Macedonia, and soon thereafter the nationalist Vladan Joikic published a book about a general “depopulation of non-Slavs”.
But only the occupation by Hitler’s Wehrmacht motivated the nationalist Chetniks as well as Tito’s communist partisans to get rid of the more than half a million fellow citizens of German stock, especially as many ethnic Germans had joined the SS division “Prinz Eugen”.
This was enough for the Tito government to strip the Germans of their citizenship rights on 21 November 1944 and to declare them “enemies of the people”. Members of the German ethnic group who had collaborated with the Germans would suffer the death penalty.
When Hitler’s soldiers fled the Balkans in 1944, they were joined by the majority of Yugoslavs of German ethnicity, but about 200,000 remained in the country. They experienced arbitrary persecution by the victors – for in Serbia there should live only Serbs.
The “ethnic cleansing” of Yugoslavia from its German minority began immediately after Tito’s “go ahead”. Shocked by the German war crimes that had come to light, the world looked away. At that time, it was stated in the London “Observer” by the victim of NS persecution and later head of the British section of Amnesty International, Paul Oestreicher, only “few were prepared to defend the universality of human rights”.
In Hodshag (Voivodina) the Krajiska partisan brigade on 23 November 1944 forced 181 men and 2 women to undress and led them to a pit by the street to Karavukova. There they were shot. One escaped, another three – the barkeeper Franz Kraus, the businessman Ladislaus Kollman and Hans Petko – were saved by the Serbian town council.
Two days later the same brigade tortured and killed 212 men in Filipova, many of its members refusing to participate. In Elemir a Serbian priest prevented the execution of 70 Germans, and a Russian officer avoided a massacre in Setshan. On several occasions the newly formed Serbian town councils intervened, like in Parabutsh, where the head of council was therefore arrested.
Those were exceptions. Nobody kept the marauders in Ruma from dancing on their lying victims – as was repeated with Kosovars at Pec in 1999 – before they murdered the tormented in the brick factory. Women were raped, houses were sacked. In Semlin (Zemum) near Belgrade, where the Wehrmacht had murdered 6,280 Jews in gas vans, now 241 Germans known by name were executed in the salt office. The German communist Alexander Mettler protested but barely managed to save his own skin.
In Homolitz the Sremska partisan brigade shot 173 people with machine guns. In Kubin 108 people died in the same manner; allegedly cruel perversions were witnessed during these killings.
On a field near Brestovatz Tito’s freebooters buried twelve men in the earth up to their necks and then cut off their heads like cabbages, a killing method that has also been reported by former partisan leader Milovan Djilas. In the dairy hall of Kikinda the men were first beaten, then their noses, tongues, ears and penises were cut off and their eyes poked out. When it was all over, there were 136 corpses in the yard.
In Pancevo, where a German officer had given his victims the coup de grace, 222 men and women died by the hands of the partisans, among them the delegate Simon Bartmann, attorney at law Bartosch and the schoolboy Franz Mayerhöfer.
The remaining more than 5,000 Germans in town were expelled, the 1,200 able to work among them taken to the camp Fischplatz under the red-headed female commandant Radoika, in barracks behind barbed wire with two toilets for the lot of them.
The events in Yugoslavia were exactly documented by the Danube Svabian Cultural Foundation in Munich on hand of eyewitness accounts. The names of most of the victims and some of the perpetrators could be established. In that bloody autumn and winter until February 1945 a total of 9,500 Germans were killed – about as many as in Kosovo in 1998/99.
In eight transportation trains an additional 8,000 men and 4,000 women were deported to the Soviet Union; one in every six of them died. The other 167,000 ethnic Germans who had been spared were concentrated in camps. Until August 1945 all Serbian towns and villages had been cleared of Germans, the 637,939 hectares of land they owned falling preferentially to partisans who had distinguished themselves.
In the central camp of Novi Sad (formerly Neusatz) there lived 2,000 Danube Germans on two story plank beds, and there was also a very tight bunker where those guilty of some offense had to stand in the water.
The central camp in Zemun (Semlin) had once been built by the German air force. Through the camp Valpovo in Slavonia the political commissar in charge rode on his white horse without ever dismounting. By coincidence he had the same name as the commander of German extermination camps in Poland in 1942/43, who was the son of a Croatian: Odilo Globocnik.
Old and sick people, children and mothers with babies were placed in “special status camps”, where mass graves were dug right next to the fence. Between November 1944 and March 1948 exactly 48,447 Yugoslavian Germans died of hunger and cold, maltreatment and spotted fewer. The names of almost all of them are documented.
In 1948 the camps were dissolved. Since 1950 the International Committee of the Red Cross achieved the possibility of emigration – against a payment of up to four monthly salaries per family. Until 1985 87,600 Germans managed to leave the country into which their ancestors had been called. At the Yugoslav census of 1981 only 8,712 Germans reported themselves.
The “cleansing” of the Danube Svabians, covered by the silence of the big powers, remained without sanction. This could only encourage treating another minority in a similar way about 50 years later

nineac wrote:...imaš 18 godina, otac ti je jedan od prvaka SDA i živjeli ste prije rata na selu gdje su kokoške spavale zajedno sa vama, a onda ti je otac u toku rata dobio nagli poriv pameti, te je završio ona preostala 4 razreda osnovne škole, srednju, fakultet i magistriro a možda i doktoriro od 1992 do 1995. sada je "ugledni biznismen" a tebi je za rođendan kupio novo auto.
Utuvio ti je u glavu da ti stvarno živiš u demokratiji, iako ovo više liči na robovlasništvo, gdje je tvo otac robovlasnik...

kojsino wrote:SAMO FASISTI MRZE TITA !

BigusDickus wrote:

Vodenjak wrote:...vecina diskutanata na forumu jednostavno, bez opterecenja - voli Josipa Broza i vrijeme u kome je isti vladao!

Mozes zamisliti kako je tek bilo u Njemackoj, tamo "nekad", "zlatnih" 30-ih, 40-ih... kada je vecina Nijemaca "jednostavno, bez opterecenja" klicala svom vodji, koji ih je ujedinio iza ideje superiornosti arijevske rase. Nauka, tehnika, industrija, ekonomska, vojna i politicka moc Njemacke je strelovito rasla... eh, da, to su bila vremena... sjeca se Herr. Wasserman.

BigusDickus wrote:Nisam ja poredio Tita i Hitlera, nego nacin razmisljanja Vodenjaka i Herr. Wassermana, a bilo ko, ko pazljivije pogleda sve moje postove, nigdje nece naci puno rijeci hvale za sadasnju vladajucu garnituru, ni za trenutnu situaciju u nasoj zemlji.

Izvrtanje izjava i izvlacenje iz konteksta je jos jedno od omiljenih "oruzja" skoro svih forumskih "SKOJ-evaca", a prvo mjesto neprikosnoveno drze pokusaji diskreditovanja neistomisljenika.

BigusDickus wrote:Nisam ja poredio Tita i Hitlera, nego nacin razmisljanja Vodenjaka i Herr. Wassermana, a bilo ko, ko pazljivije pogleda sve moje postove, nigdje nece naci puno rijeci hvale za sadasnju vladajucu garnituru, ni za trenutnu situaciju u nasoj zemlji.

Izvrtanje izjava i izvlacenje iz konteksta je jos jedno od omiljenih "oruzja" skoro svih forumskih "SKOJ-evaca", a prvo mjesto neprikosnoveno drze pokusaji diskreditovanja neistomisljenika.

BigusDickus wrote:

Vodenjak wrote:...vecina diskutanata na forumu jednostavno, bez opterecenja - voli Josipa Broza i vrijeme u kome je isti vladao!

Mozes zamisliti kako je tek bilo u Njemackoj, tamo "nekad", "zlatnih" 30-ih, 40-ih... kada je vecina Nijemaca "jednostavno, bez opterecenja" klicala svom vodji, koji ih je ujedinio iza ideje superiornosti arijevske rase. Nauka, tehnika, industrija, ekonomska, vojna i politicka moc Njemacke je strelovito rasla... eh, da, to su bila vremena... sjeca se Herr. Wasserman.

BigusDickus wrote:Nisam ja poredio Tita i Hitlera, nego nacin razmisljanja Vodenjaka i Herr. Wassermana, a bilo ko, ko pazljivije pogleda sve moje postove, nigdje nece naci puno rijeci hvale za sadasnju vladajucu garnituru, ni za trenutnu situaciju u nasoj zemlji.

Izvrtanje izjava i izvlacenje iz konteksta je jos jedno od omiljenih "oruzja" skoro svih forumskih "SKOJ-evaca", a prvo mjesto neprikosnoveno drze pokusaji diskreditovanja neistomisljenika.