SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Najbolji i najgori filmovi, serije, sve o sedmoj umjetnosti...

Moderator: _BataZiv_0809

User avatar
suncica24
Posts: 4319
Joined: 22/03/2006 21:29
Location: Na vrh brda gdje vrba mrda

#26 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by suncica24 »

PS: I da, Pina je dokaz da 3D nije rezervisan za superjunake, imaginarna bica i svjetove i akcione filmove. Mozda je pored dokumenta o poetici Pininin predstava to i nesto najznacajnije sto je Wim otkrio.
User avatar
King_Kenny
Posts: 4848
Joined: 03/01/2010 10:41

#27 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by King_Kenny »

suncica24 wrote: Bilo jednom u Andoliji... stvarno, tesko svarljivo. Sad procitah screenplay i dobro se zamislih sta mi bi da odem pogledati (valjda radi preporuke). Jedino sto vrijedi je fotografija i pejzazi po kojima mi turski filmovi postaju prepoznatljivi.
Nije fotografija jedina vrijednost. :) preobražaj lika, koji odluči intervenirati u ljudsku sudbinu, lažirajući dokaze je mnogo vredniji. Film je odličan. ;)
I na kraju, Pina. Licno... presnazno. Kao sto cika Wim rece, ovo nije film, ovo je predstava, pokret tijela, snaga ekspresije... Mislim da mi treba vise gledanja da upijem svaku koreografiju i svaki pokret pojedinacno.
Zamjerka je jedino sto postoji taj kao dokumentarni dio, jer poetika je sama po sebi dovoljan dokument i sto je film "odavanje pocasti"... mogu samo da zamislim kakav film su zivjeli njih dvoje dok je Pina bila ziva i kako bi to izgledalo da je taj film docaran. Ali, u svakom slucaju... presnazno.
:thumbup:
User avatar
Triple_XXX
Posts: 396
Joined: 14/11/2009 20:57

#28 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by Triple_XXX »

.
Last edited by Triple_XXX on 30/07/2011 20:45, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
suncica24
Posts: 4319
Joined: 22/03/2006 21:29
Location: Na vrh brda gdje vrba mrda

#29 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by suncica24 »

Loverboy... dobar. Nekako realno i nepretenciozno ispricana prica o prostituciji i trgovini zenama, te mladima u Rumuniji.
Mozda i najvrednije je to profiliranje glavnog lika, koji je i hladan, i promucuran, i beznadezan, dok se nekako nazire i neka covjecnost u njemu dok smisljeno uvlaci zrtvu u igru...
U sustini... dobar.
Cinema komunisto... odlican. Pjer bi mogao stosta nauciti iz ovog filma.
Na kraju mi se plakalo od muke... pomislih kako je sff, zajedno sa pulom, filmfestom, motuvunom... pic... dim kad ugledas scenografije koje su se tad montirale, likove koji su rezirali, glumili, snimali sirom zemlje, onih 8000 i kusur filmova koje je Broz odgledao za zivota (a onda se sjetis da se ne sjecas da si nekog naseg glavonju ikad sreo u kinu) i Avalu bez struje, boje, posla... u rusevinama.
Ogledalo nase stvarnosti... i nase prostlosti koja nije ni crna ni bijela, ali je daleko sarenija od sivila koje zivimo danas.
User avatar
suncica24
Posts: 4319
Joined: 22/03/2006 21:29
Location: Na vrh brda gdje vrba mrda

#30 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by suncica24 »

PS: Zakljucak 1: Takmicarski je ove godine slab... jako slab :roll:
User avatar
harač
Posts: 5273
Joined: 13/02/2006 13:30

#31 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by harač »

idem večeras na "the trip", i to mi je prvi. mislio sam i ja b. tarr u konkurenciji, ali nije.
User avatar
ultima_palabra
Posts: 59284
Joined: 15/12/2008 16:53

#32 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by ultima_palabra »

Dobar turski film bio u srijedu, Naš veliki očaj... jedini film iz regiona u takmičarskom programu Berlinalea. Glavna glumica ima ono nešto, i mogla bi postati zvijezda :D
Image

Vidio sam i indonezijski dokumentarac Mjesto među zvijezdama... surova reala, jedino pred kraj malo previše razvučen i melodramatičan.

Slabo raje po filmovima, svi se kafane uhvatili :D Poluprazna kina na projekcijama, samo stranci dolaze...
User avatar
King_Kenny
Posts: 4848
Joined: 03/01/2010 10:41

#33 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by King_Kenny »

ultima_palabra wrote:
Slabo raje po filmovima, svi se kafane uhvatili :D Poluprazna kina na projekcijama, samo stranci dolaze...
Pa grad filma... :P ko će sjediti na tim nekakvim dosadnim, usporenim, dugotrajnim projekcijama koje čak ne nude ni happy end :D
User avatar
ultima_palabra
Posts: 59284
Joined: 15/12/2008 16:53

#34 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by ultima_palabra »

Evo Howard Feinstein na BHT-u kaže da više neće biti selektor Panorame :( Kola neumitno idu nizbrdo...
User avatar
suncica24
Posts: 4319
Joined: 22/03/2006 21:29
Location: Na vrh brda gdje vrba mrda

#35 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by suncica24 »

ultima_palabra wrote:Evo Howard Feinstein na BHT-u kaže da više neće biti selektor Panorame :( Kola neumitno idu nizbrdo...
da ponovim pitanje s druge teme: zasto? :(

meni je panorama objektivno programski najbolji dio festa :(
User avatar
ultima_palabra
Posts: 59284
Joined: 15/12/2008 16:53

#36 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by ultima_palabra »

suncica24 wrote:
ultima_palabra wrote:Evo Howard Feinstein na BHT-u kaže da više neće biti selektor Panorame :( Kola neumitno idu nizbrdo...
da ponovim pitanje s druge teme: zasto? :(

meni je panorama objektivno programski najbolji dio festa :(
Ma govori kao da je umoran, ali kroz priču se provlače neki drugi razlozi: nije zadovoljan sa smjerom u kojem ide festival, neće da se takmiči sa drugim programima a osjetio je da je i to prisutno, itd... Nisam čuo šta govori u originalu, a ne znam da li je prevodilac pohvatao svu suštinu.

Još jedan (veliki) korak udaljavanja od srži festivala...
User avatar
King_Kenny
Posts: 4848
Joined: 03/01/2010 10:41

#37 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by King_Kenny »

Potpuno ga razumijem....
User avatar
mayab
Posts: 30784
Joined: 06/03/2008 13:00
Location: SARAJEVO

#38 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by mayab »

Ne daju mu vise slobodu u izbora filmova kao sto je bilo prijasnjih godina, i nece covjek da radi ni po cijem diktatu, i ode sve u pm!
User avatar
suncica24
Posts: 4319
Joined: 22/03/2006 21:29
Location: Na vrh brda gdje vrba mrda

#39 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by suncica24 »

Au!
BASS
Posts: 881
Joined: 11/07/2007 04:51

#40 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by BASS »

Gledao melancholiu i teško mi ocjeniti taj film,jer su neke stvari genijalne,neke baš bezvezne...
Kao fokus bi trebao biti na studiji depresije,međutim Justine mi je (pogotovo u prvom djelu) djelovala kao razmaženi bogati hipohondar koji ne zna šta bi od sebe,a ne kao osoba u depresiji,pitam se,zašto je Von Trier uopšte to i stavljao u opis :?: Ostali likovi,kao i međusobna interakcija između njih samih,te njih i Justine - previše pojednostavljeno,stereotipno,jednodimezonalno urađeno i neuvijerljivo.Drugi dio je blizu genijalnosti,slojevit,kompletan,dobro osmišljen,grandiozan,čak je lik Justine uvjerljiviji,ma sve... Ukratko ko nije gledao - komotno "premotajte" na drugi dio i gledajte jedan odličan film,ili odgledajte cjeli i budite primorani dati mu trojku-mršavu četvorku :)
User avatar
ultima_palabra
Posts: 59284
Joined: 15/12/2008 16:53

#41 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by ultima_palabra »

Gledao In a Better World... očekivao ipak za mrvicu jače ostvarenje. Ipak dobar film, depresivna scenografija kao i kod većine skandinavaca, par jakih uloga... doktor Anton kojeg rediteljica zamišlja kao glas čovječanstva i mali Christian koji uz pažnju okoline možda ipak neće postati novi Breivik :roll:

Suzanne Bier prirodna i prizemljena žena, dugo ostala pričajući i slikajući se sa rajom. Howard, možda i zadnji put u Sarajevu :(
User avatar
johnnykola
Posts: 10400
Joined: 15/10/2004 12:23
Contact:

#42 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by johnnykola »

melancholia zbilja nije nesto.
User avatar
ultima_palabra
Posts: 59284
Joined: 15/12/2008 16:53

#43 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by ultima_palabra »

johnnykola wrote:melancholia zbilja nije nesto.
Nisam gledao, ali izgleda kao da se Lars sve više gubi.
User avatar
johnnykola
Posts: 10400
Joined: 15/10/2004 12:23
Contact:

#44 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by johnnykola »

ultima_palabra wrote:
johnnykola wrote:melancholia zbilja nije nesto.
Nisam gledao, ali izgleda kao da se Lars sve više gubi.
na ovu temu je rekao apsolutno sve jos s lomeci valove, pa i tamo se votsonova i skjerkegard na pocetku pelikule zene. :razz: mislim, ima na ovoj planeti milijun dobrih fotografa, neka ostavi njima uslikavanje aktova i nebesa. eto kad mi je anichrist bolji deset puta, a ni on mi nije nesto. manderlej, valici i psece selo - matere. :-D
User avatar
suncica24
Posts: 4319
Joined: 22/03/2006 21:29
Location: Na vrh brda gdje vrba mrda

#45 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by suncica24 »

meni je dobar (jbg, ja volim fotografiju :D ) nije njegovo najbolje ostvarenje, ali je i takav iznad prosjeka :)

nego, da sumiramo:
a) pod hitno organizovati proteste pod sloganom "Nedamo Howarda!" I ne dirati Panoramu!
b) sto se tice takmicarskog igranog, ne mogu da ocjenim da li je do regiona ili do Tataragicke. U svakom slucaju, jedva gledljivo i izuzetno slabo.
c) Novi tokovi dobri, ali ne bi im bilo naodmet da ih prate i novi ljudi, Phillippe se polako vrti u krug.
d) Takmicarski dokumentarni mi nekako iskace i ide tik do Panorame. Ima i tu svega, ali cesto se zalomi odlicnih stvari... Samo nekako opet, nisam bas za to da se sff pretvori u festival dokumentarnog filma, tako da i ovdje treba nekog balansa (npr, jeste li primjetili da su ove godine domaci autori uglavnom pucali na dokumentarne? je li to laksi put, ili sta vec, ne znam, ali... nije bas da mi se to svidja)

Sve u svemu, nekako najslabiji fest do sad. Sreca pa dodje Brangelina pa se neke stvari opet mogu pomesti pod tepih...
Pitanje je samo do kad, jer ocigledno, neke stvari popustaju po savovima... sto je steta, jer fakat Sarajevo treba SFF i SFF i dalje ima potencijala da osvoji ono pocasno Srce Sarajeva :)
User avatar
ultima_palabra
Posts: 59284
Joined: 15/12/2008 16:53

#46 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by ultima_palabra »

Ma ne znam vala šta posjeta Brangeline od 2-3 sata donosi i Sarajevu i SFF-u, to su upravo one stvari o kojima je Howard govorio :roll:
Nisam ove godine pogledao dovoljno filmova da ocijenim festival, ali slažem se s tim da neke stvari polako pucaju po šavovima. Moguće je da je SFF prerastao i svoj menadžment i sam grad...
User avatar
suncica24
Posts: 4319
Joined: 22/03/2006 21:29
Location: Na vrh brda gdje vrba mrda

#47 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by suncica24 »

ultima_palabra wrote:Ma ne znam vala šta posjeta Brangeline od 2-3 sata donosi i Sarajevu i SFF-u, to su upravo one stvari o kojima je Howard govorio :roll:
Nisam ove godine pogledao dovoljno filmova da ocijenim festival, ali slažem se s tim da neke stvari polako pucaju po šavovima. Moguće je da je SFF prerastao i svoj menadžment i sam grad...
Ne znam fakat... Može biti da je problem u tome što Sarajevo nije raslo sa Festivalom, ili pak u tome što je Festival rastao ne u pogresnom smjeru, nego, jednostavno, bez smjera...
U svakom slucaju, licno mislim da je vrijeme za jedan dobar teambuilding SFF, a uz njih i Sarajevo menagmenta, u kojem ce se svemu tome dati malo pravca, smjera i oblika. Jer, fakat se bojim da bi se moglo desiti da SFF odraste da bi zivotario i da onda zavrsimo tako sto cemo imati jos jedan fikus festival u gradu ikebana i fikusa.
User avatar
johnnykola
Posts: 10400
Joined: 15/10/2004 12:23
Contact:

#48 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by johnnykola »

suncica24 wrote:
ultima_palabra wrote:Ma ne znam vala šta posjeta Brangeline od 2-3 sata donosi i Sarajevu i SFF-u, to su upravo one stvari o kojima je Howard govorio :roll:
Nisam ove godine pogledao dovoljno filmova da ocijenim festival, ali slažem se s tim da neke stvari polako pucaju po šavovima. Moguće je da je SFF prerastao i svoj menadžment i sam grad...
Ne znam fakat... Može biti da je problem u tome što Sarajevo nije raslo sa Festivalom, ili pak u tome što je Festival rastao ne u pogresnom smjeru, nego, jednostavno, bez smjera...
U svakom slucaju, licno mislim da je vrijeme za jedan dobar teambuilding SFF, a uz njih i Sarajevo menagmenta, u kojem ce se svemu tome dati malo pravca, smjera i oblika. Jer, fakat se bojim da bi se moglo desiti da SFF odraste da bi zivotario i da onda zavrsimo tako sto cemo imati jos jedan fikus festival u gradu ikebana i fikusa.
potpis.
kazimir
Posts: 8
Joined: 31/07/2006 18:00

#49 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by kazimir »

When Celebrity Overwhelms Auteurs: Howard Feinstein on Resigning From the Sarajevo Film Festival
by Howard Feinstein (August 16, 2011)

When Celebrity Overwhelms Auteurs: Howard Feinstein on Resigning From the Sarajevo Film Festival

At the Sarajevo Film Festival, Angelina Jolie accepted her award at a gala ceremony at the same time that Howard Feinstein hosted a Q&A with Oscar-winning director Susanna Bier. According to Feinstein, every photographer snubbed the Bier event in favor of Jolie's.

We’re publishing Howard Feinstein’s first-person piece on his reasons for resigning from the Sarajevo Film Festival with the caveat that we’re not taking sides; there’s two for every story and here only Howard has the floor. (We’ve extended an invitation to the Sarajevo Film Festival for their take on events.) However, the issue of celebrities impacts every film festival.

—The Editors

Why I Left my Heart in Sarajevo: The Schizophrenia of Film Festivals

Daddy always said I was a quitter. He was uneducated, a champion Golden Gloves boxer and proud salvageman in Texas who lunged for his goals without detours. On account of his hard work, I had more choices at my disposal and prematurely abandoned Boy Scouts, United Synagogue Youth, B’nai B’rith Youth, Pi Lambda Phi, pre-med, and architecture, ending up first a film academic, then a critic. But I believe that he would not have condemned me for resigning as an international programmer three weeks ago after 13 years at the Sarajevo Film Festival.

Management’s unrelenting quest for celebrity actors - and I know that their appearance is a reality of the festival world and the sponsors and media who support it - began to spin out of control, so much so that it infringed on my principle goal: to present the best and/or most original films revealing a singular vision from around the globe that had had their premieres over the previous year. As much as I respect what thespians do, my heart belongs to directors. A dream job became a nightmare.

Why am I writing about what could be construed as an internal problem? Because it is not: The issues that led me to resign are endemic to festivals worldwide. Two tasks of film festivals that render them rather schizoid - wrangling stars and providing high-quality cinema - is something that needs to be balanced, or they run the risk of crassly catering to the rich and famous while showing merely mediocre films; or of having a roster with galas for mediocre movies with B- and C-list stars to satisfy journalists and staring locals. (Eric Kohn’s recent indieWIRE interview with Locarno director Olivier Pere suggests that that festival has become more balanced by adding some big stars to supplement its fairly esoteric fare.)

It doesn’t need to be like this: No matter which celebrities appear, the New York Film Festival is always first and foremost about the films themselves, as is Torino. Cannes and Venice get name performers but, Janus-faced, are able to remain showcases for esoteric fare. Deauville, on the other hand, unapologetically emphasizes American stars. Most festivals occupy, uncomfortably, the gray zone in between.

I curated two strands at Sarajevo: Tribute to…, a retrospective of a contemporary filmmaker, who presented one or two of his or her works daily, ending with a public career interview I conducted; and Panorama, a selection of about 25 fiction features and docs for which the filmmakers frequently came and interacted with the viewers. Both programs attracted a large, loyal following. I honestly think that their popularity stems from my having selected alone, without a committee or restrictions.
This year, however, the heads of the festival, Miro Purivatra, the director, and his wife, Izeta Gradevic, the creative director, suddenly began to restrict my choices. Interference is anathema to a programmer. The following examples might help explain.

Tribute To…

I invited the great Serbian director Oleg Novkovic to be the subject of a second tribute (after Argentine filmmaker Lucrecia Martel, the main honoree). I had done this combination of an international director (Abel Ferrara) with a regional one (Bela Tarr) before, at Purivatra’s request. But they nixed Novkovic. They kept changing the reasons, but it was clearly payback because he had pulled his most recent film, White White World, from last year’s regional competition in favor of Locarno. At the suggestion of the festival’s programming coordinator, I added White White World to Panorama. The management, who brought my guests this year alone from countries like Uruguay and Mexico, refused to pay his air fare—from nearby Belgrade.

Panorama

At 12 noon and 6 pm daily, I showed films from Panorama in the state-of-the-art Meeting Point cinema. (The 3 pm slot was reserved for the Tribute.) The 9 pm screening time was the most desirable. The film was projected outdoors, in the large atrium of a functioning fire station called Vatrogasac, with old stucco walls heightening the soundtrack. I selected the films based not only on their aesthetic merit, but on their ability to push spectators to stretch their minds and senses.

The festival directors have always chosen more accessible films based on the availability of “talent” to wave at the crowd for their much program, called “Open Air,” which takes place in a much larger outdoor space. We never before competed; in fact, we occasionally showed some of the same titles. This year deemed certain titles from Berlin and Cannes unavailable for my Panorama, the kind of films that would have always been possibilities in the past—just in case someone might end up available to stand before the throngs and smile.

Someone was going to come from the Dardenne brothers’ “Kid With a Bike”? Of course not. I had to salvage it from the scrap bin. I had to fight to include in Panorama “The Guard,” which had been earmarked as the closing night selection for Open Air should Brendan Gleeson or Don Cheadle become available. Through the Irish producer, an old friend, I invited them and the director, John Michael McDonagh, the only one I cared about. Purivatra, who was only interested in the performers, gave his blessing. Only McDonagh came and, unbelievably, management wanted to keep him only for the Open Air screening, so he could blow kisses. I had to fight to have him do a Q & A with the Panorama audience. This is that murky area in which cult of (perceived) celebrity and the qualitative characteristics of selections overlapped in a negative way.

The celebrity craze reached its climax, though, just before the Open Air screening of The Guard. At the closing ceremony inside the National Theater, Purivatra presented a last-minute honorary Heart of Sarajevo award to Angelina Jolie, in town to direct her very first (as yet unfinished) feature, based on the rape camps run by the Bosnian Serbs during the 1992-95 genocide.

Simultaneously, for Panorama’s closing night presentation in the packed Vatrogasac, less than 10 minutes’ walk away, I was doing an onstage Q & A with veteran Danish filmmaker Susanne Bier, a proven director and humanitarian who had been honored with the Best Foreign Language Film Oscar earlier this year, about In a Better World (a Bosnian premiere). It had taken me four years of effort and interviews to get Bier to come. Jolie was, of course, mobbed by cameras. For Bier, there was not a photographer in sight. In the past, there had always been photographers sent to that event, alerted by the festival’s press office.

A fate similar to Bier’s befell Martel, even though the cinema was completely full for all of her screenings (three features and two shorts), with people sitting on the steps and floor. Virtually no photographers, not even for the annual career interview, which had always been filmed and its honoree photographed. No matter that her presence for the Tribute was a real coup for the festival. I find it symptomatic that their neglect followed the receipt of my letter of resignation three days into the festival. But also, taking into account the festival’s initial unwillingness to invite McDonagh, I, sometimes incredibly naïve, knew that directorial talent would increasingly take second billing to star wattage.

Before the war, Sarajevo was famed for its multicultural lifestyle and sophisticated arts scene. One Bosnian, a longtime Panorama attendee, commented on the downward spiral. “The Sarajevo Film Festival’s red carpet placed in front of the National Theater runs through Susan Sontag Square. (Sontag had frequented Sarajevo during the war, where she mounted productions.) The irony of Angelina’s triumph at Sontag Square illustrates the shift in Sarajevo’s cultural life toward celebrity culture and spectacle.” He paused, then added, as if having a sudden revelation, “It just may be symptomatic that the opening of Sarajevo’s first McDonald’s coincided with the opening of the festival.”

Jolie is well represented on the festival’s website, but there is little evidence of anything from the Tribute or Panorama. According to a well-known Sarajevan pundit, “The eradication of fact is an example of strategies from the autocratic system of the Communist past that have not only survived but been redeveloped in post-socialist Bosnia.” It’s as if Panorama, Tribute to, and Howard Feinstein had never existed.

My guess is that this is atypical of film festivals in general, though each has its own demons. Most are built on a corporate or nonprofit-arts model, which allows room for disagreement, or at least debate. In the case of the Sarajevo Film Festival, which is owned privately by Purivatra, a rigid organizational template prohibits constructive transformation. As in the time of the Communist dictator Marshall Tito, an inflexible top-down hierarchy is the norm. No one makes waves. Well, no Bosnian makes waves.

I had considered leaving several times over the years, but always thought of the audience and changed my mind. They were passionate about the tributes, many of them first-ever complete ones, to such great directors as Mike Leigh, Alexander Payne, Tarr, Todd Haynes, Jia Zhang-ke, Ulrich Seidl, Bruno Dumont, Tsai Ming-liang, Peter Mullan, Ferrara, and of course Martel. The spectators strongly supported the intentionally unpredictable Panorama, for which I brought such filmmakers as Darren Aronofsky, Michael Winterbottom, James Marsh, Lisandro Alonso, Carlos Reygadas, and Jafar Panahi. But this go-round, I decided to think first of myself: Why do this once the joy had begun to dissipate from the extensive labor of programming?

The focus on regional films at the Sarajevo Film Festival is, and should remain, first and foremost. My hope is that bringing Sarajevo’s problems with films from outside its orbit out into the open might help nudge priorities in a direction that would serve it and its culture-hungry spectators well—and, to be frank, aid in maintaining a legacy I can be proud of.
User avatar
ultima_palabra
Posts: 59284
Joined: 15/12/2008 16:53

#50 Re: SFF 2011 (samo filmovi)

Post by ultima_palabra »

Sjajno štivo... preporuka svima da pročitaju.
Post Reply