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Prva stvar ja više neduvam, jer to ti je faza u životu! Dođeš u pubertet, misliš da si najpametniji itd, mislim mogu ja tebi to objasniti, ja znam da tamo gdje si ti vjerovatno to neučite jer ipak je važnije kada je 156 srpski ustanak dignut ili koliko su NATO avioni za vrijeme napada na srbiju potrošili srpskog zraka!
O kakvom ti bolan pritvaranju, protjerivanju i tako to pričaš! Eto ja znam dosta srba, kojim nikad dlaka s glave nija falila, niti su imali problema, a bili su pripadnici A RBiH! Znači naša vojska je imala povjerenja u ljude sprske nacionalnosti, jer mi smo ljude djelili na dobre i loše, a ne kako se ko zove!
I ti majmune jedan, umjesto da se poklopiš, i ćtuiš s obzirom na stvari koje ste uradili, još imaš drskosti da nešto pričaš!
Takvi kao ti rasturili su onakvu državu ne zbog srpskih interesa, nego zbog sopstvenog džepa!
A s obzirom da su srbi imali najveći broj nepismenih i neobrazovanih u BiH bilo Vam je lako to prodati, pa eto i da se svetite zbog kosovske bitke. Šta misliš nekome tamo za 600 godina padne na pamet da se sveti zbog Srebrenice? Kako bi to izgledalo? Znači po tebi to bi bilo opravdano, jer po vama ispade opravdano ono što ste napravili tamo!
Ipak najbolji komentar je mog prijatelja Ranka, koji je bio u specijalnoj jedinici A RBiH a sada živi u USA! Došo ja po čovjeka na aerodrom u ZG, i ulazimo u BiH, u njen dio koji se zove RS, i on kaže: A ja budala zbog čega su oni rasturili onu državu! Aludirajući na mrkli mrak u Bosanskom Brodu, Derventi i Doboju, 2002 godine, tj. u 21.vijeku !
A to o svjetskoj uroti protiv srba! Pa Vi koji tako razmišljate, zar stvarno mislite da se svijetu jebe zbog Vas, i da je nekome stalo da se zajebava zbog takvih budala? Pa ti stvarno nisi normalna!
Najbolje rješenje koje bi donekle pokrenulo i privredu jeste da napravimo zid na drini, koji bi djelio BiH i Srbiju, pa tako ko hoće da živi u SERIMO neka ide i nevraća se, a nas pusti da normalno,kao svi normalni ljudi živimo u blagodatima 21 vijeka, i da svako može sagraditi džamiju, crkvu, katedralu bilo gdje u BiH!
Na kraju krajeva, Pravoslavna Crkva u Zenici je ostala gdje jeste, a da nije bilo jednog jedinog incidenta oko nje! De mi navedi gdje je u RS ostala džamija?

grbavica70 wrote:Po tim tvojim "Haskim spisima" nijedan zlocin nad Srbima nije pocinjen u toku rata...eto koliko je kredibilan. U Federaciji je takodje bilo ubijanja, progona i etnickog cisenja nemuslimana, i veliki je broj gradova u koje se prezivjeli Srbi vise nikada vratiti nece, poput Zenice, Konjica, Tarcina, Sarajeva, Busovace, Visokog, itd, itd, da ne nabrajama dalje...U svim tim gradovima je pocinjen genocid nad Srbima i nasilno protjerivanje. Pljacka i slilovanja nisu bila samo usputna pojava, nego organizavana planski i detaljno. Za to jos niko nije odgovarao i nemoj mi spominjati VAS Haski sud, osnovan da sudi Srbima i ponekom Hrvatu.

Sarajevo ne figurira nigdje kao "Muslimanski grad", ali on to jeste, i za tebe i za mene, kao i za sve Srbe. Muslimanski grad iz kojeg je protjerano 180 000 Srba, sagradjeno na desetine novih dzamija. Sarajevo u kojem Srbin ne moze da se zaposli i kojem treba 10 godina da vrati svoju prijeratnu imovinu. Banja Luku smatrate "cetnickim" gradom jer je glavni grad RS-a...

Za RS ti niko ne prijeti, nego treba da ti bude jasno da nas je sandzacki hitac odvukao u cetri godine rata i da treba da budete oprezni slijedeci put.
To ko je mali a ko veliki, decko, neces imati prilike da provjeris, posto se sigurno neces vratiti u zemlju ako nedaj boze pukne opet.

Ne mozete se vratiti zbog neciste savjesti.Izgradite si zidine. Istocno Sarajevo samo provokativno zvuci jer vi ne izlazite iz Zapadnog Sarajeva.
Zato se ogradite i mirna Bosna.

Srpski Terorizam - nije bio ogranicen samo na terorisanju i ubijanju svih ne-Srba vec i na rusenje gradova, arhitekture i znamenitosti kao i kulturno-istorijskih spomenika nase drzave BH - SRPSKI TERORIZAM nad BH stanovnicima je trajao danima, i jos uvijek traje. (9/11 u NEW YORKU je samo FRAKCIJA TERORIZMA koji su BH stanovnici dozivljavali svaki dan)

BOSNIAN SERB GEN. STANISLAV GALIC GUILTY OF TERRORIZING SARAJEVO INCLUDING MARKALE MARKET MASSACRE

THE HAGUE - A Bosnian Serb general was convicted Friday of running a two-year terror campaign against civilians in Sarajevo, unleashing sniper fire and shells that killed and wounded thousands in the Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) sector of the city.

Stanislav Galic was sentenced to 20 years in prison by the UN war crimes tribunal. The tribunal found that Galic ordered his troops to fire on civilians while they were going about their daily lives: shopping, tending gardens or fetching water from the river.
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Galic, 60, was the first suspect to be tried by the UN war crimes tribunal exclusively in connection with the 44-month siege of the Bosnian capital in the 1992-95 war.
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It also was the first time the court dealt with the charge of terror, as defined in the 1949 Geneva Convention. The judges ruled that "the international tribunal does indeed have jurisdiction over the crime of attack on civilians" and the crime of terror, which has an "additional mental element."
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Serb forces dug into surrounding hills and rained sniper and shell fire down on buses, trams, gardens and funerals, killing men, women and children.
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The siege of Sarajevo claimed at least 10,500 lives, mostly of Bosniaks, including almost 1,800 children. Some 50,000 people were wounded during the siege, punctuated by atrocities such as mortar bomb attacks on a market and a soccer game.
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Judges found General Stanislav Galic guilty of terrorizing the city's residents through a two-year campaign of shelling and sniping. The court convicted Galic on five counts of crimes against humanity and war crimes. He was convicted of murder, inhumane acts and violence intended to spread terror among civilians.

In reading out the court's findings, Judge Alphons Orie said it was clear to the majority that the attacks against civilians could not have occurred without the will of corps commander General Stanislav Galic.
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"No civilian of Sarajevo was safe anywhere." - the presiding judge, Alphons Orie, said.
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"The evidence as understood by the majority reveals that the campaign against civilians was intended primarily to T E R R O R I Z E the civilian population," the judge said. "He actually controlled the pace and scale of those crimes."

"It is clear that General Galic, through his orders and by other means acts of facilitation and encouragement, conducted the campaign of attacks," said judge Orie. "He did so with the primary aim to spread terror among the civilian population of Sarajevo."

The judge said that prosecutors proved B E Y O N D a reasonable doubt 18 of the 26 sniping incidents they charged and all five of the shellings. That includes the 1994 Sarajevo marketplace shelling (markale market massacre) in which 68 people were killed and more than 100 injured. It has been a controversial incident, with many Bosnian Serbs saying Bosniaks shelled themselves to gain world sympathy and get the Bosnian-Serb army in trouble.

But judges, who said they examined new evidence about the marketplace bombing, concluded that the mortar shell that caused the explosion WAS FIRED by the Bosnian Serbs.

Even if there were incidents where Bosniaks sometimes fired on themselves - as Bosnian Serb-General defense lawyers argued - judges found that that does not excuse the crimes committed against the city's Bosniaks.

Gen. Stanislav Galic commanded the 18,000-member Bosnian Serb army from September 1992 to August 1994 -- a period when close to 3,800 civilians were killed.

Instead of protecting the population of Sarajevo, the court found, Galic's forces brought terror and destruction on the city. In the summary of their verdict on Friday, the judges said civilians of the mostly Bosniak city had been deliberately fired on "while attending funerals, while in ambulances, trams and buses and while cycling." They were attacked while tending gardens or shopping in markets, the judges said, most of the time in daylight.

The encircled city, with more than 400,000 residents, was often short of food and other essentials.

As Bosnian Serb troops, aided by Yugoslav forces, shelled and sniped at the city from their mountaintop positions, with U.N. peacekeepers standing by powerless, the violence was broadcast on television and shocked the world. Finally, in August 1995, Western forces launched air strikes against Serb troops.

Human rights groups have said more than 11,000 people, including more than 1,700 children, were killed in Sarajevo. The siege tore up and depleted a city that long had a reputation as a civilizes place where Muslims, Jews and Orthodox and Catholic Christians lived together for centuries.

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HELSINKI COMMITTE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IN SERBIA
(Excerpt from Dragoljub Todorovic's Burden of Crime: National Courts and Justice, dated 04/09/2002; Helsinki Chapter - No 51)

The Serb public opinion cherishes a stereotype that Bosniaks have stage-managed the Markale market massacre in Sarajevo. But at the trial of [Serb] General Stanislav Galic, the man in charge of the Sarajevo siege, the material evidence presented by the top international experts C L E A R L Y showed that shelling of Markale and massacre of innocent Sarajevo denizens was committed by the Serb army in the surrounding hills. That fact was disclosed by all the international media, but the DOMESTIC ones failed to mention it.

Po Americkom Zakonu BH drzavljani koji zive u SAD legalno imaju pravo da tuze Srbe za odstete ili bilo kojeg stanovnika na podrucju BH i sirom Svijeta za pocinjeni TERORIZAM - genocid - ili BILO KOJI PREKSRAJ KOJI JE PROTIVZAKONIT U SAD - bezobzira na odluke u Hagu.

U.S. JURY RETURN $4.5 BILLION VERDICT AGAINST FORMER BOSNIAN SERB LEADER RADOVAN KARADZIC

NEW YORK -- Former Bosnian Serb leader and indicted war criminal Radovan Karadzic has been ordered by a U.S. jury to pay $4.5 billion in damages for atrocities committed by his soldiers.

The jury and judge hearing the civil case against Karadzic, who remains an international fugitive, said Monday that the United States can't ignore genocide a world away.

"It's very important that the United States of America rises to the occasion when these things happen and we just don't wait for the United Nations' war crimes tribunal," Judge Peter K. Leisure said in the Manhattan courtroom.

The jury awarded $617 million in compensatory damages and $3.9 billion in punitive damages for injuries and deaths suffered by 39 people. The damages were awarded to 13 women and 10 men, none of whom were in the courtroom when the verdict was read.

The verdict came just weeks after a different jury returned a $745 million verdict against Karadzic in a civil case focusing on women injured in the war in the former Yugoslavia.

Both lawsuits had been brought under a 221-year-old U.S. law letting foreign citizens sue foreign officials and citizens for violating the law of nations.

Karadzic fought the claims through New York lawyers for four years before telling the judge he would not defend himself. He also has been indicted by the U.N. war crimes tribunal in The Hague, Netherlands, on charges of genocide.

"Can you really hope to find truth or do justice or protect rights for people in distant nations?" Karadzic wrote. "Do you really believe that attaching a U.S. dollar sign to human tragedy around the world by empty judgments in uncontested lawsuits is a step toward peace or justice?"

The judge ruled that Karadzic defaulted in the lawsuits, leaving the juries only to decide what he owed the plaintiffs in damages.

Both trials featured several witnesses who traveled from Bosnia and appeared anonymously, describing scenes so disturbing that Bill Walters, the foreman of Monday's jury, said he had nightmares.

"It was not easy to come up with compensation, but it was also not hard," Walters said.

The plaintiffs alleged gross human rights abuses, including genocide, torture, rape, execution, war crimes and other human rights abuses in an ethnic cleansing campaign to drive non-Serbs from their homes in Bosnia-Herzegovina and to establish Serbian control of the region.

A 12-year-old girl who now lives in Chicago described during the two-week trial how her leg had been blown off by a mortar attack in Bosnia when she was 5.

Other victims described nightmares after being raped repeatedly and witnessing the murders of loved ones. Some told stories of men being forced to have sex with one another or others being forced to drink motor oil. Another said he saw Serbian soldiers cut off the head of one man and play soccer with it in front of the man's friends.

Mirza Hirkich, a plaintiff who testified during the trial, said she didn't expect to ever see a penny of the damages award.

"They believe what we went through," she said. "I wanted all those people to understand how guilty were all the Serbs who did bad things."

Walters said jurors understood that a verdict likely would never be paid but it was important to send a message because it was clear Karadzic was responsible.

"The guards did the same things all over the country so there was no doubt in our minds that there was a master plan," he said.

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Srpski Terorizam je prisutan ne samo u BH vec i u SAD. Srpske Orthodoxne Crkve u SAD odbile da daju komentar.

SERB TERRORISTS IN THE UNITED STATES THREATEN TO KILL AS MANY AMERICANS AS NECESSARY

Serb-related terrorism threats in the United States continue to pose a very serious danger for lives of innocent American civilians and military personnel as well. Increasingly, the Pentagon has become concerned with the possibility that Serb terrorists would locate and target individual servicemen, perhaps in their homes. Threat condition has been increased from Alpha to Bravo...
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Source(s): Associated Press: article: FBI Warns of Possible Serb Terrorism in the United States

By: John Diamond

WASHINGTON -- The FBI has warned the U.S. military to be alert for possible Serb-led terrorist attacks inside the United States after several churches received "threats to kill" American soldiers, according to a memo obtained by The Associated Press.

FBI counter terrorism agents sent out the memo last week after Serbian Orthodox churches in the Sacramento, Milwaukee, Chicago and Indianapolis areas received via fax a Serb-language letter urging Serbian Americans to respond violently to any NATO strikes on Yugoslavia.

"The threat letter requested that all Serbian nationalists living in America take action against the NATO decision to intervene in the Serbian/Kosovo conflict by killing as many American soldiers in the United States as necessary to stop the NATO attacks in Serbia," according to the FBI memo.

The memo was distributed to military bases and other sensitive federal installations, such as nuclear weapons labs, through a special electronic mail warning system, officials said.

Dale Watson, the FBI's deputy assistant director for counter terrorism, declined to discuss the memo but said the church letters aren't the only Serb-related terrorism threats being examined by FBI investigators.

"As the war continues, we receive a lot of threats in here. The FBI looks into them," Watson said yesterday in a telephone interview. "This (letter) is not just an isolated situation. We look at threats; we take them all seriously."

The FBI seldom issues the type of memo sent to defense installations. The agency is investigating whether there is any link between the Yugoslav government in Belgrade and the threats in the United States, officials said.

The alert memo warned military commanders nationwide "that there is a credible threat klix to take action within the United States against U.S. military personnel."

Military bases around the country had been on alert klix as far back as summer's bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. But bases are stepping up security measures.

Counter terrorism specialists are particularly concerned that Air Force bases might be targeted if they are home to the stealth aircraft being used prominently in the bombing campaign against Yugoslavia.

"We have increased our threat condition from Alpha to Bravo," said Bob Pepper, spokesman for the 49th Fighter Wing at Holloman Air Force Base, N.M., home of F-117 stealth fighters. The one-step increase in threat awareness, he said, would probably not be noticeable to outside civilians. It involves more intensive identity checks and stricter requirements for non-military people entering the base.

Holloman is the only base for the F-117s; 24 of the aircraft are deployed to Europe and are flying strike missions over Yugoslavia.

Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon said military commanders are responding to the FBI warnings.

"We are aware of these threats and we have disseminated the information to local commanders and it's up to them to adjust ... according to the threats they see," Bacon said. Base commanders have the option of working with the FBI, their own military police or local law enforcement, he said.

U.S. military bases, particularly air bases, are generally sprawling facilities with heavily guarded gates and buildings far removed from the perimeter, making a truck-bomb attack difficult.

Increasingly, the Pentagon has become concerned with the possibility that Serb terrorists would locate and target individual servicemen, perhaps in their homes. As a result, the Pentagon has grown reluctant to identify individual pilots flying strike missions and has scrubbed military Internet sites of personal and family information and service members.

Serbian Orthodox church officials in the cities mentioned in the FBI memo either declined to comment or said they had no information about the Serb-language letter.

Pa normalno da imaju pravo tužiti! U svakoj civilizovanoj državi imaš pravo tužiti nekog što ti uzurpira posjed, a kamoli zbog terorizma! Po čemu eto Grbavica 70 misli da je Radovan ili Ratko manji terorist od Osame Bin Ladena!
I Osama i ona dvojica su vršili zločine protiv čovječnosti, s tim što još uvijek Ratko i Radovan imaju veći broj žrtava od Osame Bin Ladena!
I kada dođete u neku vukojebinu u RS (a svakim danom sve više u Banja Luka i ostali gradovi zbog njihove politike postaju vukojebine) imate sliku Radovana i Ratka, pa zar tako oni misle možda u Evropu ili na zapad.
Eto, po njihovom razmišljanju slike Osame bi trebale biti u Federaciji, samo u Federaciji Osamu mrze isto kao i radovana i ratka, a to je ono što njima smeta, što smo mi normalni, a oni bolesni!

Ja sam imala devet godina kada je rat poceo. Dobro se sjecam kada su Srbi iz moje ulice, u februaru 91, poceli se iseljavati iz moje ulice. Pitam taticu "Tata, zasto komsije voze stvari, je li se to oni negdje sele?" na sto je on rekao "Ma nigdje sine, voze neke stvari gore na selo", a ja i ostala djeca iz ulice, ko ludi cekali njihovog sina, naseg vrsnjaka, da se vrati, jer nam je nedostajalo jos igraca, za " 12 sati vjestice nema", a mali Dane se niti dan danas nije vratio. S vremena na vrijeme su mu roditelji dolazili dok nisu utrpali kucu nekim muslimanima koji su protjerani i ne zele da se vrate u svoje mjesto.

Eto toliko Grbavice o protjerivanju srpskog zivlja sa podrucja danasnje Federacije. Mislim da je ista stvar u svim dijelovima BiH: Vi ste znali sta ce biti, pa ste se na vrijeme ispalili.

crazy wrote: Eto toliko Grbavice o protjerivanju srpskog zivlja sa podrucja danasnje Federacije. Mislim da je ista stvar u svim dijelovima BiH: Vi ste znali sta ce biti, pa ste se na vrijeme ispalili.

Ma Grbavica je ostao na Grbavici (da puca na svoj grad. ) Zna on sve to i to vrlo dobro. Prvo sacekali da se svi Srbi isele koji su imali gdje da idu, a onda okruzili grad sa svih strana i pucali po civilima iz dana u dan neprestano fakticki - jer su znali ko je ostao, a zrtvovali su i one Srbe sto su ostali - dok su neke namjerno ostavili da rade kao obavjestavaoci Sve smisljeno i planski - jaranica zove da se javi - kaze 'evo me u Beogradu' i jos pita ko to puca na Sarajevo -? a stari joj otisao u cetnike. I to u Lukavicu.

INTELEKTUALAC.
Profesor - NAUCNIK.
Pa ti sad kontaj.

Vi ste znali sta ce biti, pa ste se na vrijeme ispalili.

Znali su njihovi pradjedovi, djedovi i ocevi. Znali su sta zele ali ne i da ce
ih to kostati da se na kraju vrate u doba Turske vladavine. Srbi iz Istocnog dijela SArajeva. Mi smo u Zapadnom dijelu.

March.30.2003.

(CBS) A steady sale of illegal arms from Yugoslavia to Iraq ought to be something we stopped worrying about with the downfall of dictator Slobodan Milosevic. But there is evidence that it continues unchecked under his successors. Correspondent Ed Bradley reports.

Evidence of illegal arms sales came to light last October when NATO-led peacekeeping troops raided the Orao aviation factory in the Serb-controlled area of Bosnia.

Among the documents they found was a contract for $8.5 million to repair and upgrade the engines of Saddam's MIG fighter planes.

They also found a copy of a letter sent last September to the Ministry of Defense in Baghdad outlining precautions to avoid detection by UN weapons inspectors. They offered the help of Yugoslav experts to dismantle the equipment, and cautioned the Iraqis to hide the spare parts in a safe place.

The letter went on to say that, when the possibility of being discovered had passed, the Yugoslav side would reassemble and operate the equipment again.

That letter was sent to the Iraqis by Yugoimport, the Yugoslav arms export agency, and signed by the director of Yugoimport in Baghdad.

That office in Baghdad wasn't just there to arrange the servicing of Saddam Hussein's MIGs.

Just how much the Iraqis relied on the Yugoslavs for arms is laid out in a report by the International Crisis Group, an independent organization that seeks to pinpoint potential trouble spots around the world.

We spoke to the author of the report, Dr. James Lyon.

“What we later found out was that it was not just jet engines,” Dr. Lyon said. “There were a whole series of other weapons that appeared to have gone, including artillery shells, including technology that could enable Saddam to enhance his Scud missiles, including anti-aircraft technology, including a whole series of other military technologies and equipment. So it wasn't simply jet engines in question. It could have been a whole laundry list of equipment.”

How big a laundry list? “Some estimates have put it as high as perhaps $3 billion, others $1.5 billion, no one knows for certain,” Dr. Lyon says.

No one knows for certain because Yugoimport, which is a state-owned company, saw hardly any of that money.

Zoran Kusovacs, the Balkan defense analyst for “Jane's Defense Weekly,” says most of it went into the pockets of private individuals.

“They have been operating like private arms dealers, at the same time when and where convenient, using allegedly the umbrella of the state,” Zusovacs explains. “This does not say that the officials did not know about these deals. Arms deals at this scale lasting this long cannot go unnoticed.”

Shortly after the raid on Orao, Croatian authorities, acting on a tip from U.S. intelligence, intercepted a ship called the Boka Star, steaming on the Adriatic Sea, and brought it to the port of Riyeka.

According to the ship's manifest, the Boka Star was headed for Egypt with a cargo of water filters and charcoal. But that's not what Croatian police found when they searched the hold.

A tape shot by the Croatian authorities reveals that the Boka Star was carrying 208 metric tons of explosives--some for use in artillery shells, and some that could be used to produce solid rocket fuel for missiles.

Zinka Bardic, a spokesperson for the Croatian Ministry of Interior, says that documents found in a secret compartment on the Boka Star included a log that listed the ship's voyages over the last year. They show, she says, “that they transported weapons and go to some Arabian country, like, to be specific, to Syria.”

From Syria, U.S. officials say, those explosives would have been trucked overland to Iraq to fuel Saddam's missiles.

Although the sales invoice was stamped by Yugoimport in Belgrade, Croatian police found that the Boka Star's cargo and crew came from many different regions in the former Yugoslavia.

Lord Paddy Ashdown, who is a UN representative in the Balkans, says the warring factions put aside their differences to make a dollar.

So, how widespread was the trade?

“I think it's more widespread than we have yet currently uncovered,” Lord Ashdown says. “When you look at this, you need to think of the old, as it were, ghostly network leftover of the JNA, the Yugoslav National Army's generals who controlled the military industrial complex, who existed in the days of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and who went on controlling it afterwards.”

Those Yugoslav army generals long had close ties with Iraq. In the 1980s, they developed a joint weapons program that produced a multiple rocket launcher that can fire chemical warheads.

In 1999, Yugoslav dictator Slobodan Milosevic flouted the UN arms embargo and signed a series of lucrative arms sales with Iraq.

But when Milosevic was ousted by a popular uprising, a new democratic government took over in Belgrade.

They promised to end those sales. They didn't.

“The information we have come across indicates that the arms sales may have actually increased after Milosevic left power,” says Dr. Lyon, of the International Crisis Group.

As President Bush began to beat the war drums, the Iraqis began to rely extensively on the Yugoslavs because of their decades-long cooperation, and because the Yugoslavs were the only other country that they dealt with that had been bombed by the Americans. “And so there might have been a strange sort of mutual trust built on that shared experience,” says Dr. Lyon.

But when the Yugoslavs were bombed by the Americans to put an end to Milosevic's policy of ethnic cleansing, the Iraqis had more to gain than trust.

Zoran Kusovacs says that during those air strikes the Yugoslavs, using sophisticated computer systems, acquired an in-depth knowledge of American aerial tactics.

“They had the chance to observe what sequences, what frequencies do radars use, what combinations of signals need to be sent for something to happen,” says Kusovacs. “And if that information, particularly if that analysis of that information, got to Iraq, that is something that really could be worrying for the Americans.”

What's more, Kusovacs says, the Yugoslavs managed to upgrade their anti-aircraft missiles with a television guidance system that allowed them to shoot down an American stealth bomber and to keep NATO aircraft above 15,000 feet.

That system has allegedly been passed on to Iraq.

Any improvement in Iraqi missile systems is bad news for the U.S., says Kusovacs: “How bad? That's the big question, but definitely no American general wants to see any kind of improvement on Iraqi missile systems.”

It wasn't just firepower but brainpower that the Yugoslavs exported to Iraq. Professors from the Technical University in Belgrade, people with scientific expertise in missile technology, made frequent trips to Baghdad to help the Iraqis make the weapon that the United States fears the most in its war in Iraq.

It is a harmless looking aircraft, a Czech-made jet trainer, But it can be armed with tanks of chemical or biological weapons and equipped with remote control technology, so that it can be flown without a pilot. Military experts say that it can be turned into what they call a ‘poor man's cruise missile,’ able to launch devastating attacks on Iraq's neighbors.

We asked whether the scientists involved were capable of doing that.

“Oh yes, very much so,” replies Dr. Lyon. “One of the professors, in fact, was working on the Scud program with Saddam back in the 1980s. These are not people who have just all of a sudden said ‘Hey, I know something, hire me.’ These are people who have track records of experience with ballistic missile programs and with propulsion systems.”

In a country where the devastation caused by American bombs is still visible four years later, those scientists knew that few would criticize them for selling their services to Saddam Hussein.

“Many people simply feel uncomfortable telling somebody this is bad, because so many people say, ‘America bombed us, why not damage America some way if we can do that,’” says Zoran Kusovacs.

But when news of the illegal arms deals broke, the democratic government which relies on American aid was quick to deny all knowledge of them.

We asked Miroljub Labus, the Deputy Prime Minister in charge of foreign trade, who he thinks was behind the illegal arms sales to Iraq.

“Some private vested interest,” Labus replies. “Some people in the last ten years, mostly from the military, retired gentlemen or generals, and they had very good relationships with Ministry of Defense, so they've been very active in selling those weapons.”

Deputy Prime Minister Labus says that the government immediately dismissed a Ministry of Defense official and a retired general who was head of Yugoimport.

But what about the government ministers, including the Minister of Defense and the Minister of Interior, who sat on the board of Yugoimport? How is it that they wouldn't know what's going on?

“Well, they claim that they didn't know everything what happened, you have to talk to them,” the Deputy Prime Minister says.

Is it logical to assume that you should know about such arms sales, if you’re the Minister of Defense or the Minister of Interior and you sit on the board of Yugimport?

“Yes, you should know,” Labus acknowledges.

The fact is, those ministers did know. In January 2002, the Yugoslav Foreign Ministry presented a document at a cabinet meeting detailing those illegal sales, and warning that such a breach of UN sanctions would damage the government's attempts to win Western approval.

Labus attended that meeting, and he says “my impression was that we passed a decision to cancel any trade. But it turned out that some ministers didn't share that view.”

So whatever they decided to do at this cabinet meeting, in fact nothing was done.

Why? Dr. James Lyon thinks “there were people in that new democratic government who were directly profiting from those arms sales. I think that there were some people at the ministerial level, perhaps even at the very highest levels of the government, who were making money off of this, through front companies and through cronies.”

One of those people at the very highest levels of the government, it is alleged, was Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic, who, ten days ago was gunned down in Belgrade by unknown assailants.

After his death, Djindjic was praised in the West as a liberal reformer. But he was also thought to be involved in illegal arms deals as well as other criminal activities.

The U.S. must take some of the blame for the way that the state and organized crime continue to march hand in hand in this country, as they did under Milosevic, says Zoran Kusovacs.

“The United States bears a lot of the responsibility because, along with others in the West, it has let the changes go skin deep,” he explains. “Milosevic has been changed. The system has not been changed. And certain things that were done under Milosevic are still being done under the democratic government, and they're as unacceptable now as they were then.”

QNews article A Very Christian War published Sept.01.1995.

One of the most striking features of the conflict in the former Yugoslavia has been the muscular Christianity of the Serbs. Many of the atrocities recorded by journalists, including impalements, throat-slitting and rape, have been preceded by appeals to convert to Orthodox Christianity. Detailed reports have surfaced in the Belgrade press describing the forced baptism of Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) in occupied areas of Bosnia, and it is known that at least some have accepted the sacrament in order to save their lives.

None of this is new. Forced baptism has been part of the militant Serb agenda for many years. Back in 1917, Yugoslavia's future prime minister Stojan Protic remarked: "We have the solution for Bosnia. When our army crosses the Drina, we will give the Muslims twenty-four hours, or even forty-eight hours, of time to become Christians. Those who do not wish to do so are to be cut down, as we did in Serbia earlier."

This consistent attitude of hatred grows from several roots. One is the hoary myth that Serbs were forced to convert to Islam during the centuries of Ottoman rule. But by far the strongest support for this genocidal attitude has come from the Serbian Orthodox Church, historically a dark, seething mass of phobias about Jews and Muslims.

With the death of Titos generation of leaders, the 1980s saw the rapid revival of militant nationalism in Serbia. In 1986 the Serb bishops, eager to regain their influence in the new post-Communist society, endorsed the famous Serbian Memorandum, a document drawn up by nationalist intellectuals which demanded the territorial unity of the
Serbian people, and thereby paved the way for Belgrades war for a Greater Serbian state. A leading lay intellectual who contributed to this document, Dragos Kalajic, explained that the Bosniaks do not belong to the European family of nations. [According to Kalajic] They are semi-Arabs, the result of a genetic predetermination and penchant. Hailing such rhetoric, leading churchmen such as Abbot Atanasije and Metropolitan Jovan Pavlovic launched extreme andstereotyped verbal attacks on Islam throughout the late 1980s, ratcheting up the already intense level of hatred and Christian revanchism. Official Christian magazines such as Glas Crkve platformed the ideas of the more inflammatory nationalists in Belgrade in those dying years of Yugoslavia: Glas Crkve
even printed the collected works of Vuk Draskovic, the Chetnik militia leader accused of war crimes and playing a pioneering role in the ethnic cleasing process.

The baleful influence of the Church soon percolated into school and university textbooks, further resurrecting the traditionally hateful Serbian view of Muslims. A university textbook on literature published in 1989 describes the epic of Bishop Njegos, a long poem which celebrated the extermination of Montenegros Muslims in the 18th century. The textbook tells students: "The Muslims had been the very
symbol of all that is evil in this world, Satans seed." But Njegos' sense of justice and righteousness was highly developed, as only that of an Orthodox ruler could be. Thus he could liquidate without mercy the Bosniaks, as the embodiment of evil and injustice. The impaled heads reminded him and his subjects daily that one must struggle against evil, and that that is the greatest Christian and human duty. For Njegos, revenge was a holy, divine act. Yes, he was in favour of peace and love among people, but only among people: that did not apply to beasts with human faces.

As war broke out in Bosnia in 1992, Church publications stepped up their fierce war of words. The official Church journal Pravoslavlje attacked Serb pacifists as helping the evil forces that are opposed to God. In our present Armageddon they are on the side of the destructive Gog and Magog ...

Faithful to its heritage, the Church hierarchy rallied to the cause of the more extreme Serb militias operating in Bosnia. Priests raised funds for the White Eagles, a fanatical militia operating in the Drina Valley area, and whose commander had proclaimed: We are not only interested in Serbia, but in a Christian, Orthodox Serbia, with no mosques or unbelievers. Similarly, Zeljko Raznjatovic, known as Arkan, who has been accused by the UN and America of gross and repeated crimes
against humanity, confirmed in an interview with a Belgrade magazine that his funds came above all from the Serbian Orthodox Church. Arkan continues to provide the bodyguards for the Metropolitan of Montenegro, that country's most senior cleric.

As the war unfolded, it became clear that the entire Serb religious hierarchy was ranged behind Karadzic and his nationalists. When in April 1993 the Vance-Owen peace plan for Bosnia was announced, the Serbian Patriarch Pavel, and Metropolitan Amfilohije of Montenegro, urged the Serbs to reject the plan and to press for a just military solution. The Serbian Synod then affirmed its support for a Greater
Serbia, following this up with a public procession through the streets of Belgrade in the company of Arkan and his officers. Serbs must fight, the Patriarch preached, now as never before.

The Church-backed militias in Bosnia, their consciences clear thanks to the bishops fervent prayers and blessings, grew ever more ferocious in their attacks on civilians. When news broke in the international media of the Serb concentration camps, whose horrific conditions had been documented by visiting Western journalists, the Serbian Church
convened a special synod explicitly to deny these accusations. In the
name of Gods truth, the bishops thundered, we declare that such camps neither have existed nor exist in the (so-called) 'Serbian' Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina. The official Church publication Pravoslavlje then claimed that no women or children had ever been detained by Serbs, while Patriarch Pavel blamed all atrocities on the Bosniaks.

In Bosnia itself, every bishop has supported the extremists, and condemned the more moderate Serbs who continue to believe in a multi-ethnic Bosnian state. The Metropolitan of Bosnia, who travels from unit to unit to bolster morale, recently told troops: "We have always won the wars. God will not abandon us this time either. The Bishop of Tuzla
has railed against the Asiatic plague" - referring to Islam. A bishop opens every session of the rebel Serb parliament with a prayer. Everywhere, priests, monks and army chaplains preach the medieval message of Christian holy war against the Muslims.

Elsewhere in the Christian world, this bloodthirsty revival of the Crusading instinct has been regarded with indulgence rather than horror. The Greek bishops have voted in their Synod to give Karadzic a medal for services to Christendom, calling him a most devoted servant of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Russian Orthodox Church has declared that
it is the Serbs, not the Bosniaks, who have been the victims of genocide. And Protestants, well-known for their sentimental view of Orthodoxy, have steadfastly refused to condemn their Balkan Christian brethren. According to veteran Bosnia watcher Adrian Hastings, "the Serbian Orthodox Church has had closer relations with the Church of England than any other. To take a strong line against Serb nationalism could be to displease ones Orthodox friends." He adds: "It has from the start been British policy that a Greater Serbia should be created and Bosnia destroyed. And church leadership in this country, by its erastian inability to challenge that policy, has colluded, and is colluding, in that crime."

The World Council of Churches, backed by the Bosnia Holocaust Deniers among the British bishops, has refused to criticise the Serbian church. In January 1994, the WCC issued a 27-page statement on former Yugoslavia. Astonishingly, this Orwellian document refers to the Bosniaks only once, in the context of its unqualified claim that violence and brutality are being committed on every side, Serb, Croat and Bosniak. It laments the desperate shortage of food and medical supplies in Serbia and Montenegro, but refrains from mentioning the far worse shortage in Bosnia, or the bombardment of Bosnias towns. In fact, Bosnia is not mentioned even once. The statement concludes, predictably, by voicing the WCCs strong opposition to any military intervention.

The conclusion from all this is clear enough. In this conflict between genocidal Christians and peaceful unbelievers, the Churches loyalties have been stated honestly and explicitly. The age-old Christian urge to exterminate the infidel, far from dying with the Enlightenment as claimed, is once again rampant in the heart of Europe. Membership of the European Community is conditional on possessing a shared Christian heritage, observed Jacques Delors in 1993. Crusading Europe, fired by fourteen hundred years of hatred of Muslims and Jews, is sure that it knows what is at stake in Bosnia. As Karadzic himself has prophesied: "The West will be grateful to us one day, because we elected to defend Christian values and Christian culture."

Background:
Nicholas (Nikola) Ribic (born 1974) -- charged as a terrorist, is sometimes described as a traitor, Canada’s version of John Walker Lindh.

Nicholas Ribich, a Canadian and former resident of Edmonton, Alberta, was arrested on February 20, 1999 in Mainz, Germany and then charged as part of the Bosnian-Serb army that captured United Nations peacekeepers and used them as human shields against NATO air strikes in 1995. Ribich, of Serbian ancestry, left his home in Canada to travel to Bosnia-Herzogovina where he joined the Bosnian-Serb army at the height of the war.

Ribich was charged under a section of Canada’s Criminal Code on jurisdiction that had never been used before that allows Canada to claim jurisdiction over kidnapping and hostage-taking offences of or by a Canadian committed outside the country. This law was enacted specifically to deal with terrorists.

Nicholas Ribich's hostage was a fellow Canadian, Capt. Patrick Rechner, working in Bosnia as an unarmed UN military observer. The May 1995 worldwide television and newspapers coverage showed the shocking photo of a distraught Capt. Rechner chained to a lightning rod at an ammunition bunker in the Bosnian Serb city of Pale. Ribich was in the uniform of a Bosnian Serb soldier, wielding an AK47 rifle, in the company of other Serb soldiers. Held for 24 days, the photo of Capt. Rechner became a symbol of the United Nations incapacity to deal with Serb military aggression.

Ribich’s trial began in Ottawa, Ontario on October 8, 2002. An audio recording was entered into evidence that revealed Nicholas Ribich on the phone to UN headquarters in Sarajevo, warning that if any more bombs fell on Serb positions, the observers would be the first to die. In his testimony, Capt. Rechner stated that Nicholas Ribich was part of almost every crucial stage of his captivity, including making him a human shield by chaining him to the lightning rod.

The following article is from Canadian Press
published: Oct.08.2002.

OTTAWA - A Canadian peacekeeper who was chained to a lightning rod as a hostage against NATO bombing in Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1995 testified Tuesday that a Canadian-born Serb - member of Bosnian Serb forces - took him captive.

Capt. Patrick Rechner, who was an unarmed United Nations observer when he was taken hostage on May 26, 1995, described how Nicholas (Nikola) Ribic and several other Bosnian Serbs entered his office in Pale outside Sarajevo on that day.

"I'd met him before but this was the first time I saw him in a uniform and a helmet," Rechner said of Ribich, who was in the courtroom. "He told me in a stern voice to sit down."

Rechner, 39, looked similar to the televised images from 1995 that showed him chained as a human shield against NATO air strikes.

Ribich faces four terrorism related hostage-taking charges.

Ribich is accused of being part of the Bosnian Serb terrorist unit - White Wolves - (chetniks) that abducted Rechner and a Czech peacekeeper after a NATO strike outside Sarajevo, then held them for 24 days as insurance against further bombing.

Rechner testified that Ribich and the others took them to a military compound several kilometers (miles) away from Pale, a Bosnian Serb stronghold.

Prosecutor Peter Lamont showed video clips of Rechner chained to the lightning rod next to what the captain described as a Bosnian-Serb bunker filled with mortar rounds.

Other UN observers were shown chained to bunker doors and lightning rods. Rechner said the tape was shot by one of his captors.

Lamont played an audio tape in which Rechner's voice could be heard over a crackling radio saying: "If the bombing starts again, I have been instructed to tell you that we will die for the sake of NATO. Over."

Rechner said he made the transmission on instructions from a Serb officer.

Nicholas Ribich, 28, was released on bail in 1999, when his father, Peter, posted a $150,000 bond and $50,000 cash.

He has been living with his father in Edmonton, where he was prohibited from holding a passport and leaving an area within 80 kilometers of the city.

If convicted, Ribich could face a penalty of life imprisonment.

Hvala Pravda30 za postove. Imacu sta da citam ujutro uz kafu.

crazy wrote: Eto toliko Grbavice o protjerivanju srpskog zivlja sa podrucja danasnje Federacije. Mislim da je ista stvar u svim dijelovima BiH: Vi ste znali sta ce biti, pa ste se na vrijeme ispalili.

Svako normalan, ko ima tri ciste u glavi ili gram mozga, znao da ce biti rata. Bilo je dovoljno gledati TV i dogadjaje, od ubistva Nikole Gardovica, preko barikada do onoga ludjaka sto je htio da dize branu na Visegradu....

Sjecam se da je mozda najveci broj Srba, i ne samo Srba, jer je bilo i drugih, napustilo Sarajevo odmah po objavljivanju referendumskog rezultata, i to ne preko Zlatista ili Vijecnice, cije su puteve kontrlosili paravojnici i parapolicajci ( tu nije bilo Srba ili Hrvata), pa su zbog toga bjezali preko Lukavice....Sav taj narod nije bjezao jer mu je neko rekao da bjezi, nego zato sto je bio pametan i normalan....

Samo budala nije vidjela sta se sprema....

Sto se tice toga "ko je znao a ko nije", svi su podsvjesno znali ali to niko nije govorio naglas bojeci se da ne ispadne budala pred drugim.

grbavica70 wrote:

crazy wrote: Eto toliko Grbavice o protjerivanju srpskog zivlja sa podrucja danasnje Federacije. Mislim da je ista stvar u svim dijelovima BiH: Vi ste znali sta ce biti, pa ste se na vrijeme ispalili.

Svako normalan, ko ima tri ciste u glavi ili gram mozga, znao da ce biti rata. Bilo je dovoljno gledati TV i dogadjaje, od ubistva Nikole Gardovica, preko barikada do onoga ludjaka sto je htio da dize branu na Visegradu....

Sjecam se da je mozda najveci broj Srba, i ne samo Srba, jer je bilo i drugih, napustilo Sarajevo odmah po objavljivanju referendumskog rezultata, i to ne preko Zlatista ili Vijecnice, cije su puteve kontrlosili paravojnici i parapolicajci ( tu nije bilo Srba ili Hrvata), pa su zbog toga bjezali preko Lukavice....Sav taj narod nije bjezao jer mu je neko rekao da bjezi, nego zato sto je bio pametan i normalan....

Samo budala nije vidjela sta se sprema....

Sto se tice toga "ko je znao a ko nije", svi su podsvjesno znali ali to niko nije govorio naglas bojeci se da ne ispadne budala pred drugim.

Ne samo Srbi, ali uglavnom su to Srbi bili koji su otišli! Možda su svi znali da će biti rat, tj. možda se moglo vidjeti, ali zanimljivo da su Bošnjaci bili ti koji su ostali i koji su se do zadnjeg momenta nadali da neće biti rata, a ti možeš negirati, ali je činjenica da Bošnjaci nisu bili ni približno spremni na rat, ni vojno ni na bilo koji drugi način!!!

Mislim da si ti jednom rekao da je 180.000 Srba protjerano iz SA (možda griješim ko je to rekao, ali mislim da si ti, a mrsko mi tražiti da provjerim), a sada kažeš , citiran: ...Sav taj narod nije bjezao jer mu je neko rekao da bjezi, nego zato sto je bio pametan i normalan....
Samim ovim kazeš da su otišli dobrovoljno, znači nije im niko rekao da idu, niti ih je natjerao!!!