Šta nam je Islam ostavio
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#26 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
izvanzemaljac
stvar percepcije,znaš imali su visoko podignutu ljestvicu i teško je bil onda ići dalje i više.Ništa nije sporno,rekoh ti razočarao si prisutne nema lokalnog mahalanja,ko je koga na gradnji koje čuprije.
stvar percepcije,znaš imali su visoko podignutu ljestvicu i teško je bil onda ići dalje i više.Ništa nije sporno,rekoh ti razočarao si prisutne nema lokalnog mahalanja,ko je koga na gradnji koje čuprije.
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#27 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
kad smo več kod gradnje http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90eds7CNi4Y
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#28 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Wow, koji mangup, ide na pivu.atom62 wrote:Uposlenici gosp. Mustafe Cerica su zaista aktivni na forumu!
Napravi ti legedno popis svega pa javi kad zavrsis, a ja odoh na pivu!
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#29 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
@atom62
@air ramiz
opomena pred ban.
@zonbirile ,ako imaš štagod napisati,a što smatraš da je u skladu sa postavljenom temom, izvoli napiši, ne vidim u čemu je problem-materijala je na pretek.
Ovo važi i za ostale.Čovjek piše kako piše, ali vidim da su svi odlično skontali svaku napisanu riječ,bez obzira na greške u pisanju
.Ne budite vazda na kraj srca 
@air ramiz
opomena pred ban.
@zonbirile ,ako imaš štagod napisati,a što smatraš da je u skladu sa postavljenom temom, izvoli napiši, ne vidim u čemu je problem-materijala je na pretek.
Ovo važi i za ostale.Čovjek piše kako piše, ali vidim da su svi odlično skontali svaku napisanu riječ,bez obzira na greške u pisanju
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#30 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
dr.gog
fulio si pročitaj moje postove od početka ne znam šta ti je problem.Ja se sa čovjekom složio obostrano,a ti arbitriraš,nigdje veze s vezo.Ipak se nadom da si fulio,pa pogledaj od početka nema puno.
fulio si pročitaj moje postove od početka ne znam šta ti je problem.Ja se sa čovjekom složio obostrano,a ti arbitriraš,nigdje veze s vezo.Ipak se nadom da si fulio,pa pogledaj od početka nema puno.
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#31 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Evo pročitao i ne vidim da spominješ išta vezano recimo , za nešto vrijedno pažnje: "ostavštinu" islama u medicini(jest da bih ja lično drukčije postavio naslov teme,ali nema veze..), niti ono na šta te teme aludiraju-utjecah islamske duhovnosti na naučni rad i slično.Zato mislim da ne treba gramatiku potenciratizonbirile wrote:moj izvanzemaljac,imaš trenutno 5 tema sa istim sadržajem.Ne činiš ništa dobro,sa ovim prežvakanim temama,a svaki post koji te pogodi kvalifikuješ komšijskim.
Upravo si sam dao odgovor,jer si pomalo tupo mislio poentirati sa komšijama sa Pala,a pao si u istu septičku jamu kao i oni,kada im nisu valjali Slovenci,Hrvati,Bošnjaci,Albanci,Crnogorci i normalnu EU sa papom na čelu.E vidiš sada razvuci malo pojam komšiluk pa pođi od Bugarske,Rumunije,Mađarske,Grčke,Albanije i bivših SFRJ prostora,pa češ vidjeti da te ljudi ne razumiju.Nije bilo baš idilično,kako bi sad da se predstavi.Kao što se Srbi ne upitaše kako to da niko ne valja sem nas,poučno bi bilo da malo popustiš bar dok si ne postaviš to pitanje.
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#32 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
zaboravih...složio se jesi, ali ja sam mislio na nešto konkretno,podatke i slično,ništa loše nisam mislio.zonbirile wrote:dr.gog
fulio si pročitaj moje postove od početka ne znam šta ti je problem.Ja se sa čovjekom složio obostrano,a ti arbitriraš,nigdje veze s vezo.Ipak se nadom da si fulio,pa pogledaj od početka nema puno.
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Pretpostavljam da je tema sta su nam ostavile napredne islamske civilizacije kroz stoljeca (jer vidim da se krecemo prema raspravi o civilizacijskim dostignucima). Ostavile su nam mnogo toga, od cinjenice da su "spasile", preradile i prenijele znanje starih Grka novim generacijama dok je Evropa grcala u inkvizicijama i paljenju vjestica, pa nadalje. Mora se reci da je taj cin jedan od bitnijih za evropsku civilizaciju koja je tek kroz 'ponovni susret' krenula ka spostvenoj Renesansi. Problem islamskih civilizacija je taj sto su nakon jednog velikog civilizacijskog uspona zaustavili i jos nisu dosli do neke svoje renesanse, ili reformacije, ili prosvjetiteljstva ili kakvog god 'pokretackog' mislilackog, umjetnickog, itd trenutka u svom razvoju.
Isto kao sto pokretac teme pita sta nam je ostavio islam, mozemo se pitati sta nam je ostavio konfucijanizam (ili sta nam je donijela najstarija kontinuirana civilizacija na svijetu -- kineska), a za koju znamo da je izmislila sve i svasta ... a svoju veliku renesansu dozivljava sada u mnogim smislovima bez da se odrice osnovnih vrijednosti svoje bastine i kulture.
Jedna tekovina koju nam islam nije donio, bez obzira koliko se razliciti forumashi i generalno pripadnici islamske vjeroispovijesti bunili da dokazu suprotno, je jednakost svih ljudi i tekovina zbog koje ce za mene uvijek biti nemoguce prihvatiti 'civilizacijska dostignuca islama' kao neprikosnovena je sovinisticka interpretacija polozaja zene u islamskim drustvima. To ponavaljam kao papagaj non-stop i nastavicu ponavljati bez da ulazimo u rasprave tipa 'ali Kur'an kaze' ... ono sto Kur'an kaze i sto ljudi cine nema puno veze jedno s drugim, jer civilizacija ne postoji u Kur'anu, nego izvan i u odnosu na njega.
U svakom slucaju, nepobitna su dostignuca islamskih civilizacija, isto kao sto je i nepobitno da je islamu (ili njegovim civilizacijama danas) neophodna neka vrsta reforme (filozofske i svjetovne) koja ce se pozabaviti nekim od svojih savremenih problema. Eto, to je moje misljenje.
Isto kao sto pokretac teme pita sta nam je ostavio islam, mozemo se pitati sta nam je ostavio konfucijanizam (ili sta nam je donijela najstarija kontinuirana civilizacija na svijetu -- kineska), a za koju znamo da je izmislila sve i svasta ... a svoju veliku renesansu dozivljava sada u mnogim smislovima bez da se odrice osnovnih vrijednosti svoje bastine i kulture.
Jedna tekovina koju nam islam nije donio, bez obzira koliko se razliciti forumashi i generalno pripadnici islamske vjeroispovijesti bunili da dokazu suprotno, je jednakost svih ljudi i tekovina zbog koje ce za mene uvijek biti nemoguce prihvatiti 'civilizacijska dostignuca islama' kao neprikosnovena je sovinisticka interpretacija polozaja zene u islamskim drustvima. To ponavaljam kao papagaj non-stop i nastavicu ponavljati bez da ulazimo u rasprave tipa 'ali Kur'an kaze' ... ono sto Kur'an kaze i sto ljudi cine nema puno veze jedno s drugim, jer civilizacija ne postoji u Kur'anu, nego izvan i u odnosu na njega.
U svakom slucaju, nepobitna su dostignuca islamskih civilizacija, isto kao sto je i nepobitno da je islamu (ili njegovim civilizacijama danas) neophodna neka vrsta reforme (filozofske i svjetovne) koja ce se pozabaviti nekim od svojih savremenih problema. Eto, to je moje misljenje.
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#34 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Koja su to "nepobitna dostignuća islamskih civilizacija", za početak?piupiu wrote: U svakom slucaju, nepobitna su dostignuca islamskih civilizacija, isto kao sto je i nepobitno da je islamu (ili njegovim civilizacijama danas) neophodna neka vrsta reforme (filozofske i svjetovne) koja ce se pozabaviti nekim od svojih savremenih problema. Eto, to je moje misljenje.
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#35 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Nemoj više iznositi svoje mišljenje...i ne samo ti,vec i mnogi koji ne poznaju islam...sami sebi stavljajte veto na teme o kojima malo znate ili ne znate gotovo nikako...to bi bilo najbolje....piupiu wrote:Pretpostavljam da je tema sta su nam ostavile napredne islamske civilizacije kroz stoljeca (jer vidim da se krecemo prema raspravi o civilizacijskim dostignucima). Ostavile su nam mnogo toga, od cinjenice da su "spasile", preradile i prenijele znanje starih Grka novim generacijama dok je Evropa grcala u inkvizicijama i paljenju vjestica, pa nadalje. Mora se reci da je taj cin jedan od bitnijih za evropsku civilizaciju koja je tek kroz 'ponovni susret' krenula ka spostvenoj Renesansi. Problem islamskih civilizacija je taj sto su nakon jednog velikog civilizacijskog uspona zaustavili i jos nisu dosli do neke svoje renesanse, ili reformacije, ili prosvjetiteljstva ili kakvog god 'pokretackog' mislilackog, umjetnickog, itd trenutka u svom razvoju.
Isto kao sto pokretac teme pita sta nam je ostavio islam, mozemo se pitati sta nam je ostavio konfucijanizam (ili sta nam je donijela najstarija kontinuirana civilizacija na svijetu -- kineska), a za koju znamo da je izmislila sve i svasta ... a svoju veliku renesansu dozivljava sada u mnogim smislovima bez da se odrice osnovnih vrijednosti svoje bastine i kulture.
Jedna tekovina koju nam islam nije donio, bez obzira koliko se razliciti forumashi i generalno pripadnici islamske vjeroispovijesti bunili da dokazu suprotno, je jednakost svih ljudi i tekovina zbog koje ce za mene uvijek biti nemoguce prihvatiti 'civilizacijska dostignuca islama' kao neprikosnovena je sovinisticka interpretacija polozaja zene u islamskim drustvima. To ponavaljam kao papagaj non-stop i nastavicu ponavljati bez da ulazimo u rasprave tipa 'ali Kur'an kaze' ... ono sto Kur'an kaze i sto ljudi cine nema puno veze jedno s drugim, jer civilizacija ne postoji u Kur'anu, nego izvan i u odnosu na njega.
U svakom slucaju, nepobitna su dostignuca islamskih civilizacija, isto kao sto je i nepobitno da je islamu (ili njegovim civilizacijama danas) neophodna neka vrsta reforme (filozofske i svjetovne) koja ce se pozabaviti nekim od svojih savremenih problema. Eto, to je moje misljenje.
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#36 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
@dr.gog
Najnepobitniji je onaj prvi koji sam navela u gornjem postu -- ocuvanje, razvoj i prenosenje znanja anticke Grcke citavom svijetu. Broj dva -- a mozda i broj jedan za mene -- je vjerska tolerancija koju su islamske civilizacije praktikovale tokom svoje cjelokupne istorije. Ideja Umme(ta), koja je za mene ideja o jednom harmonicnom covjecanstvu, je treca. Aritmetika, trigonometrija, astronomija, fizika, poezija, usavrsavanje papira, mehanicki satovi, integracija vizantijskih, arapskih, perzijskih dostignuca i njihova nadogradnja, trzisna ekonomija, pojam 'ugovora', itd ... sve su to neki od doprinosa islamskih civilizacija savremenom svijetu. Vjerovatno neki drugi ovdje znaju detaljnije i ljepse opisati neke specificne procese, 'izume', tekovine ...
Najnepobitniji je onaj prvi koji sam navela u gornjem postu -- ocuvanje, razvoj i prenosenje znanja anticke Grcke citavom svijetu. Broj dva -- a mozda i broj jedan za mene -- je vjerska tolerancija koju su islamske civilizacije praktikovale tokom svoje cjelokupne istorije. Ideja Umme(ta), koja je za mene ideja o jednom harmonicnom covjecanstvu, je treca. Aritmetika, trigonometrija, astronomija, fizika, poezija, usavrsavanje papira, mehanicki satovi, integracija vizantijskih, arapskih, perzijskih dostignuca i njihova nadogradnja, trzisna ekonomija, pojam 'ugovora', itd ... sve su to neki od doprinosa islamskih civilizacija savremenom svijetu. Vjerovatno neki drugi ovdje znaju detaljnije i ljepse opisati neke specificne procese, 'izume', tekovine ...
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#37 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Na ovo gore bih samo mogla da dodam da se taj zlatni period islamskih civilizacija smatra islamskom renesansom, ali ja govorim o nekoj buducoj, novoj, renesansi ... pardon na nepreciznosti.LSD wrote:Nemoj više iznositi svoje mišljenje...i ne samo ti,vec i mnogi koji ne poznaju islam...sami sebi stavljajte veto na teme o kojima malo znate ili ne znate gotovo nikako...to bi bilo najbolje....piupiu wrote:Pretpostavljam da je tema sta su nam ostavile napredne islamske civilizacije kroz stoljeca (jer vidim da se krecemo prema raspravi o civilizacijskim dostignucima). Ostavile su nam mnogo toga, od cinjenice da su "spasile", preradile i prenijele znanje starih Grka novim generacijama dok je Evropa grcala u inkvizicijama i paljenju vjestica, pa nadalje. Mora se reci da je taj cin jedan od bitnijih za evropsku civilizaciju koja je tek kroz 'ponovni susret' krenula ka spostvenoj Renesansi. Problem islamskih civilizacija je taj sto su nakon jednog velikog civilizacijskog uspona zaustavili i jos nisu dosli do neke svoje renesanse, ili reformacije, ili prosvjetiteljstva ili kakvog god 'pokretackog' mislilackog, umjetnickog, itd trenutka u svom razvoju.
Isto kao sto pokretac teme pita sta nam je ostavio islam, mozemo se pitati sta nam je ostavio konfucijanizam (ili sta nam je donijela najstarija kontinuirana civilizacija na svijetu -- kineska), a za koju znamo da je izmislila sve i svasta ... a svoju veliku renesansu dozivljava sada u mnogim smislovima bez da se odrice osnovnih vrijednosti svoje bastine i kulture.
Jedna tekovina koju nam islam nije donio, bez obzira koliko se razliciti forumashi i generalno pripadnici islamske vjeroispovijesti bunili da dokazu suprotno, je jednakost svih ljudi i tekovina zbog koje ce za mene uvijek biti nemoguce prihvatiti 'civilizacijska dostignuca islama' kao neprikosnovena je sovinisticka interpretacija polozaja zene u islamskim drustvima. To ponavaljam kao papagaj non-stop i nastavicu ponavljati bez da ulazimo u rasprave tipa 'ali Kur'an kaze' ... ono sto Kur'an kaze i sto ljudi cine nema puno veze jedno s drugim, jer civilizacija ne postoji u Kur'anu, nego izvan i u odnosu na njega.
U svakom slucaju, nepobitna su dostignuca islamskih civilizacija, isto kao sto je i nepobitno da je islamu (ili njegovim civilizacijama danas) neophodna neka vrsta reforme (filozofske i svjetovne) koja ce se pozabaviti nekim od svojih savremenih problema. Eto, to je moje misljenje.
A sto se LSD-iija tice, ja cu iznositi svoje misljenje sve dok ga imam i dok ga ne iznosim maliciozno i bezobrazno i s namjerom da vrijedjam.
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#38 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Evo jedan domaci link na temu: http://www.preporod.com/arena-magazine- ... e-163.html
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#39 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Zanimljive informacije hvala.sahan wrote:Evo jedan domaci link na temu: http://www.preporod.com/arena-magazine- ... e-163.html
Za onog Kineza nisam znao. Jeli to onaj isti što je sa onom flotom oplovijo svjet ili je to neki drugi to me zanima.
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#40 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
sta su nam ostavili islamski naucnici i istrazivaci
How Islamic inventors changed the world
From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life. As a new exhibition opens, Paul Vallely nominates 20 of the most influential- and identifies the men of genius behind them
1 The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London. The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.
2 The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.
3 A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.
4 A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.
5 Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.
6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.
7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.
8 Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.
9 The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.
10 Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.
11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.
12 The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it.
13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.
14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.
15 Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).
16 Carpets were regarded as part of Paradise by medieval Muslims, thanks to their advanced weaving techniques, new tinctures from Islamic chemistry and highly developed sense of pattern and arabesque which were the basis of Islam's non-representational art. In contrast, Europe's floors were distinctly earthly, not to say earthy, until Arabian and Persian carpets were introduced. In England, as Erasmus recorded, floors were "covered in rushes, occasionally renewed, but so imperfectly that the bottom layer is left undisturbed, sometimes for 20 years, harbouring expectoration, vomiting, the leakage of dogs and men, ale droppings, scraps of fish, and other abominations not fit to be mentioned". Carpets, unsurprisingly, caught on quickly.
17 The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.
18 By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.
19 Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.
20 Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.
"1001 Inventions: Discover the Muslim Heritage in Our World" is a new exhibition which began a nationwide tour this week. It is currently at the Science Museum in Manchester. For more information, go to http://www.1001inventions.com.
naslov teme je pogresan,rijec je o islamskim naucnicima i istrazivacima , a ne o religji Islam
How Islamic inventors changed the world
From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life. As a new exhibition opens, Paul Vallely nominates 20 of the most influential- and identifies the men of genius behind them
1 The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London. The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.
2 The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.
3 A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.
4 A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.
5 Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.
6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.
7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.
8 Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.
9 The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.
10 Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.
11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.
12 The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it.
13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.
14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.
15 Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).
16 Carpets were regarded as part of Paradise by medieval Muslims, thanks to their advanced weaving techniques, new tinctures from Islamic chemistry and highly developed sense of pattern and arabesque which were the basis of Islam's non-representational art. In contrast, Europe's floors were distinctly earthly, not to say earthy, until Arabian and Persian carpets were introduced. In England, as Erasmus recorded, floors were "covered in rushes, occasionally renewed, but so imperfectly that the bottom layer is left undisturbed, sometimes for 20 years, harbouring expectoration, vomiting, the leakage of dogs and men, ale droppings, scraps of fish, and other abominations not fit to be mentioned". Carpets, unsurprisingly, caught on quickly.
17 The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.
18 By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.
19 Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.
20 Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.
"1001 Inventions: Discover the Muslim Heritage in Our World" is a new exhibition which began a nationwide tour this week. It is currently at the Science Museum in Manchester. For more information, go to http://www.1001inventions.com.
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#41 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Za ponovnu priču o "gramatici" ubuduće slijedi ban
.A ni "kokoši" nisu osobito od koristi za temu 
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#42 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Evo našao sam na pretraživaču Google šta je Islam donio Evropi:
- papir,
- svilu,
- vodovod,
- kanalizaciju,
- ceste,
- obrazovanje,
- melioraciju,
- javna kupatila,
- zdravstvenu zaštitu,
- matematiku,
- decimalni sustav,
- brojke koje i danas nazivamo arapskim,
- nepoznanicu ‚x’
- revolucionarnu nulu nakon koje svijet nikad neće biti isti.
- trigonometriju
- algebru, koja se zove tako po Kitab Al Jabru, djelu čuvenog matematičara Al-Hawarizmija, po kojemu je, usput, svoj naziv dobio algoritam
- geografiju,
- filozofiju,
- izradili su prvu kartu svijeta, prvi izračunali opseg zemlje i otkrili heliocentrični sistem,
- sagradili su prvi opservatorij,
- utemeljili modernu astronomiju
- sa Istoka su donijeli kompas, rižu, šećer, naranču,limun, breskvu,
- presu za ulje,
- sustav navodnjavanja i uopće modernu poljoprivredu,
- pamuk,
- tekstilnu industriju i modu, jakna je arapski izum.
- konstruirali su prvu cameru obscuru i utemeljili optiku,
- kahvu,
- farmakologiju.
- U vrijeme kad se Europa gušila u smradu i bolestima, Arapi su donijeli sapun i parfem, objasnili da se zaraza širi zagađenom vodom,
- donijeli čuveni Qanun Ibn Sine, prvu enciklopediju lijekova i eliksira, al-iksira, upravo su arapski alkemičari – alkemija, od al-kimya – očevi moderne hemije.
- između ostalog otkrili su lužine i barut, izmislili destilaciju i dobili al-kuhul.
- papir,
- svilu,
- vodovod,
- kanalizaciju,
- ceste,
- obrazovanje,
- melioraciju,
- javna kupatila,
- zdravstvenu zaštitu,
- matematiku,
- decimalni sustav,
- brojke koje i danas nazivamo arapskim,
- nepoznanicu ‚x’
- revolucionarnu nulu nakon koje svijet nikad neće biti isti.
- trigonometriju
- algebru, koja se zove tako po Kitab Al Jabru, djelu čuvenog matematičara Al-Hawarizmija, po kojemu je, usput, svoj naziv dobio algoritam
- geografiju,
- filozofiju,
- izradili su prvu kartu svijeta, prvi izračunali opseg zemlje i otkrili heliocentrični sistem,
- sagradili su prvi opservatorij,
- utemeljili modernu astronomiju
- sa Istoka su donijeli kompas, rižu, šećer, naranču,limun, breskvu,
- presu za ulje,
- sustav navodnjavanja i uopće modernu poljoprivredu,
- pamuk,
- tekstilnu industriju i modu, jakna je arapski izum.
- konstruirali su prvu cameru obscuru i utemeljili optiku,
- kahvu,
- farmakologiju.
- U vrijeme kad se Europa gušila u smradu i bolestima, Arapi su donijeli sapun i parfem, objasnili da se zaraza širi zagađenom vodom,
- donijeli čuveni Qanun Ibn Sine, prvu enciklopediju lijekova i eliksira, al-iksira, upravo su arapski alkemičari – alkemija, od al-kimya – očevi moderne hemije.
- između ostalog otkrili su lužine i barut, izmislili destilaciju i dobili al-kuhul.
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#43 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Barut je pronađen u Kini . U 13. veku je stigao do Arapa
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#44 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Ali su ga oni donijeli u Evropu, ovo sam našao na nekom hrvatskom portalu.tataratira wrote:Barut je pronađen u Kini . U 13. veku je stigao do Arapa
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#45 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
papir, svila...isto tako
sve to stoji, doprinos civilizaciji je ogroman ali sadašnjost ne živi od prošlosti
moderna civilizacija je nastala od industriske revolucije, daj neki primjer iz ove bliže istorije
da li je struju kakvu danas koristimo izmislilo Pravoslavlje ili Nikola Tesla?
sve to stoji, doprinos civilizaciji je ogroman ali sadašnjost ne živi od prošlosti
moderna civilizacija je nastala od industriske revolucije, daj neki primjer iz ove bliže istorije
da li je struju kakvu danas koristimo izmislilo Pravoslavlje ili Nikola Tesla?
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#46 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Pogledaj i ti malo na Google vjerovatno su mislili na ono što su arapi donijeli u Evropu jer su prije toga bili u Kini i drugim zemljama bliskog istoka.tataratira wrote:papir, svila...
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#47 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Eto sve napredno,a onda?istocnjak wrote:Evo našao sam na pretraživaču Google šta je Islam donio Evropi:
- papir,
- svilu,
- vodovod,
- kanalizaciju,
- ceste,
- obrazovanje,
- melioraciju,
- javna kupatila,
- zdravstvenu zaštitu,
- matematiku,
- decimalni sustav,
- brojke koje i danas nazivamo arapskim,
- nepoznanicu ‚x’
- revolucionarnu nulu nakon koje svijet nikad neće biti isti.
- trigonometriju
- algebru, koja se zove tako po Kitab Al Jabru, djelu čuvenog matematičara Al-Hawarizmija, po kojemu je, usput, svoj naziv dobio algoritam
- geografiju,
- filozofiju,
- izradili su prvu kartu svijeta, prvi izračunali opseg zemlje i otkrili heliocentrični sistem,
- sagradili su prvi opservatorij,
- utemeljili modernu astronomiju
- sa Istoka su donijeli kompas, rižu, šećer, naranču,limun, breskvu,
- presu za ulje,
- sustav navodnjavanja i uopće modernu poljoprivredu,
- pamuk,
- tekstilnu industriju i modu, jakna je arapski izum.
- konstruirali su prvu cameru obscuru i utemeljili optiku,
- kahvu,
- farmakologiju.
- U vrijeme kad se Europa gušila u smradu i bolestima, Arapi su donijeli dali sapun i parfem, objasnili da se zaraza širi zagađenom vodom,
- donijeli čuveni Qanun Ibn Sine, prvu enciklopediju lijekova i eliksira, al-iksira, upravo su arapski alkemičari – alkemija, od al-kimya – očevi moderne hemije.
- između ostalog otkrili su lužine i barut, izmislili destilaciju i dobili al-kuhul.
STAO!
Dok su drugi to sve prihvatili i razvijali se u islamskim zemljama sve je stalo,sve gore navedeno je je nastalo ili je nastajalo dok Šerijat i ekstremizam,vjersko slijepilo nije zaglupilo i unazadilo široke mase,ono čim se neke islamske zemlje danas mogu pohvaliti to je sve iz "daleke prošlosti",kako to danas te zemlje izgledaju?
Bijeda i jad,zapuštenost,prljavština,neke bogatije se blješte od zapadnog kiča i zapadne moderne arhitekture.
Što je to tako moralo biti?
A da ne govorimo o politici koja to i nije već sve same diktature... :
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#48 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
Upravo tako gdje je istok stao - zapad je nastavio. Kada su počeli da idu u dubioze nastupila je dekadencija.zambaklija wrote:Eto sve napredno,a onda?istocnjak wrote:Evo našao sam na pretraživaču Google šta je Islam donio Evropi:
- papir,
- svilu,
- vodovod,
- kanalizaciju,
- ceste,
- obrazovanje,
- melioraciju,
- javna kupatila,
- zdravstvenu zaštitu,
- matematiku,
- decimalni sustav,
- brojke koje i danas nazivamo arapskim,
- nepoznanicu ‚x’
- revolucionarnu nulu nakon koje svijet nikad neće biti isti.
- trigonometriju
- algebru, koja se zove tako po Kitab Al Jabru, djelu čuvenog matematičara Al-Hawarizmija, po kojemu je, usput, svoj naziv dobio algoritam
- geografiju,
- filozofiju,
- izradili su prvu kartu svijeta, prvi izračunali opseg zemlje i otkrili heliocentrični sistem,
- sagradili su prvi opservatorij,
- utemeljili modernu astronomiju
- sa Istoka su donijeli kompas, rižu, šećer, naranču,limun, breskvu,
- presu za ulje,
- sustav navodnjavanja i uopće modernu poljoprivredu,
- pamuk,
- tekstilnu industriju i modu, jakna je arapski izum.
- konstruirali su prvu cameru obscuru i utemeljili optiku,
- kahvu,
- farmakologiju.
- U vrijeme kad se Europa gušila u smradu i bolestima, Arapi su donijeli dali sapun i parfem, objasnili da se zaraza širi zagađenom vodom,
- donijeli čuveni Qanun Ibn Sine, prvu enciklopediju lijekova i eliksira, al-iksira, upravo su arapski alkemičari – alkemija, od al-kimya – očevi moderne hemije.
- između ostalog otkrili su lužine i barut, izmislili destilaciju i dobili al-kuhul.
STAO!
Dok su drugi to sve prihvatili i razvijali se u islamskim zemljama sve je stalo,sve gore navedeno je je nastalo ili je nastajalo dok Šerijat i ekstremizam,vjersko slijepilo nije zaglupilo i unazadilo široke mase,ono čim se neke islamske zemlje danas mogu pohvaliti to je sve iz "daleke prošlosti",kako to danas te zemlje izgledaju?
Bijeda i jad,zapuštenost,prljavština,neke bogatije se blješte od zapadnog kiča i zapadne moderne arhitekture.
Što je to tako moralo biti?
A da ne govorimo o politici koja to i nije već sve same diktature... :run:
Istok je počeo da tone u dubioze nematerijalizma a zapad u materijalizam tako da je na obje strane nastala neravnoteža.
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#49 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
čim su izmislili dildo, gumenu vaginu i kondome sve je krenulo nizbrdo 
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#50 Re: Šta nam je Islam ostavio
tataratira wrote:čim su izmislili dildo, gumenu vaginu i kondome sve je krenulo nizbrdo
