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#26
Posted: 15/10/2007 12:03
by simi5
Oboljelo još 97 vojnika koji su bili u BiH i na Kosovu
Nadležno ministarstvo iznijelo podatak da je do sada registriralo 255 oboljela vojnika i 37 mrtvih...
15.10.2007. 09:25
Teške posljedice osiromašenog urana po italijanske vojnike bila je udarna tema i nedavne sjednice parlamenta u Rimu. Razlog tome je 97 novooboljelih vojnika u toku ove godine i devet mrtvih vojnika, pogođenih, tzv. balkanskim sindromom.
Provjera podataka
Prema podacima Vojnog opservatorija, do sada je registrirano 2.536 vojnika koji su oboljeli od karcinoma nakon povratka iz mirovne misije u okolini Sarajeva i na Kosovu. Umrla su 164 vojnika mlađa od 30 godina.
Međutim, ovi podaci znatno se razlikuju od podataka koje je u parlamentu iznio ministar odbrane Arturo Parisi. Ministarstvo odbrane registriralo je "255 oboljela vojnika i 37 mrtvih" nakon povratka iz misije sa Balkana. Inače, u parlamentu je osnovana komisija za istragu o žrtvama osiromašenog urana.
- Ova značajna razlika u ciframa je dodatni problem za nastavak istrage i tražili smo od ministarstva zdravlja da provjere kriterije sakupljanja podataka - izjavila je šefica komisije Lidija Menapace za "Dnevni avaz".
Isplata odštete
Andrea Armaro, glasnogovornik ministra odbrane Italije, za naš list kaže kako još nema tačnih podataka o broju žrtava osiromašenog urana.
- Jedno je sigurno - broj oboljelih vojnika od karcinoma nakon povratka sa vojnih misija na Balkanu je povećan. To je razlog što smo u finansijskom programu izdvojili 170 miliona eura za isplatu odšteta porodicama oboljelih vojnika - kaže Armaro.
Ubilački prah traje stoljećima
Ubilački prah, koji se zadržava stoljećima u tlu i vodi gdje je bačena raketa s osiromašenim uranom, katastrofalno djeluje na sva bića koja dođu u dodir s otrovnom materijom. Osiromašeni uran na ljudskom tijelu izaziva karcinom pluća, bubrega, teške ozljede kostiju i leukemiju.
Izvor: Avaz
Mislim da tekst govori sam za sebe a protiv Al Gora. Koliko je moći u rukama podpretsednika SAD i jednog od najmoćnijih ljudi sveta? Mnogo a jedna od njih je i demonstrativno neslaganje i podnošenje ostavke.
#27
Posted: 15/10/2007 14:50
by karabaja-x
ja mislio ovo tema o al bundiju
#28
Posted: 15/10/2007 15:02
by EI Presidente
simi5 wrote:Oboljelo još 97 vojnika koji su bili u BiH i na Kosovu
Nadležno ministarstvo iznijelo podatak da je do sada registriralo 255 oboljela vojnika i 37 mrtvih...
15.10.2007. 09:25
Teške posljedice osiromašenog urana po italijanske vojnike bila je udarna tema i nedavne sjednice parlamenta u Rimu. Razlog tome je 97 novooboljelih vojnika u toku ove godine i devet mrtvih vojnika, pogođenih, tzv. balkanskim sindromom.
Provjera podataka
Prema podacima Vojnog opservatorija, do sada je registrirano 2.536 vojnika koji su oboljeli od karcinoma nakon povratka iz mirovne misije u okolini Sarajeva i na Kosovu. Umrla su 164 vojnika mlađa od 30 godina.
Međutim, ovi podaci znatno se razlikuju od podataka koje je u parlamentu iznio ministar odbrane Arturo Parisi. Ministarstvo odbrane registriralo je "255 oboljela vojnika i 37 mrtvih" nakon povratka iz misije sa Balkana. Inače, u parlamentu je osnovana komisija za istragu o žrtvama osiromašenog urana.
- Ova značajna razlika u ciframa je dodatni problem za nastavak istrage i tražili smo od ministarstva zdravlja da provjere kriterije sakupljanja podataka - izjavila je šefica komisije Lidija Menapace za "Dnevni avaz".
Isplata odštete
Andrea Armaro, glasnogovornik ministra odbrane Italije, za naš list kaže kako još nema tačnih podataka o broju žrtava osiromašenog urana.
- Jedno je sigurno - broj oboljelih vojnika od karcinoma nakon povratka sa vojnih misija na Balkanu je povećan. To je razlog što smo u finansijskom programu izdvojili 170 miliona eura za isplatu odšteta porodicama oboljelih vojnika - kaže Armaro.
Ubilački prah traje stoljećima
Ubilački prah, koji se zadržava stoljećima u tlu i vodi gdje je bačena raketa s osiromašenim uranom, katastrofalno djeluje na sva bića koja dođu u dodir s otrovnom materijom. Osiromašeni uran na ljudskom tijelu izaziva karcinom pluća, bubrega, teške ozljede kostiju i leukemiju.
Izvor: Avaz
Mislim da tekst govori sam za sebe a protiv Al Gora. Koliko je moći u rukama podpretsednika SAD i jednog od najmoćnijih ljudi sveta? Mnogo a jedna od njih je i demonstrativno neslaganje i podnošenje ostavke.
Da su se Srbi povukli sa pozicija oko Sarajeva (kako su i potpisali), ne bi ih niko ni bombardovao. Zato krivi Mladica, Karadzica i generale VRSa sto se intervencija uopste i desila i sto su se kurcili s NATO snagama koje su, pored Amera, u svojim redovima imale i Britance, i Holandjane, i Francuze, itd. koji su svi, aktivno, djelovali po srpskim pozicijama.
#29
Posted: 18/10/2007 18:38
by srce_ruke_lopata
Al Gore-a postujem i cijenim ali mu je sva ova prica oko globalnog zagrijavanja jedan veliki supljak.Preko nekih cinjenica ne mogu preci kada je rijec o globalnom zagrijavanju, i ne kupujem Gore-ovu pricu..
Kao prvo, podaci o zemljinoj temperaturi se registruju mozda za zadnjih 100 godina i to je sasvim mali period u odnosu na period postojanja nase planete da se donese neki zakljucak kako smo mi odgovorni za podizanje temperature.Drugo,mjerni instrumenti nisu bili ni blizu toliko tacni i precizni kao danas da se moze reci "temperatura zemlje je porasla za 1°C u zadnjih 100 god" (sama varijacija u mjernim instrumentima je bila veca od 1°C).Trece,ko to moze da utvrdi koja je "default" temperatura nase planete i gdje se mjeri?Cetvrto,nasa planeta je prolazila kroz mnogobrojne promjene tokom postojanja,pa bi se valjda i ledeno doba i pomjeranje kontinenata i izumiranje dinosaura ili udaranje asteroida od nju trebalo pripisati nekom globalnom hladjenu/zagrijavanju/pomjeranju i pri tome kriviti covjeka (da ne spominjem kako nije bilo industrije).
Slazem se da treba imati cist zrak u nasim zivotnim sredinama,ciste rijeke i cistu vodu,reciklirati sto vise i njegovati i obnavljati zelene povrsine i sume...ali globalno zagrijavanje je suplja prica i neko samo profitira na tome,u ovom slucaju Gore i "zeleni".
#30
Posted: 18/10/2007 22:00
by rina*
srce_ruke_lopata wrote:Al Gore-a postujem i cijenim ali mu je sva ova prica oko globalnog zagrijavanja jedan veliki supljak.Preko nekih cinjenica ne mogu preci kada je rijec o globalnom zagrijavanju, i ne kupujem Gore-ovu pricu..
Kao prvo, podaci o zemljinoj temperaturi se registruju mozda za zadnjih 100 godina i to je sasvim mali period u odnosu na period postojanja nase planete da se donese neki zakljucak kako smo mi odgovorni za podizanje temperature.Drugo,mjerni instrumenti nisu bili ni blizu toliko tacni i precizni kao danas da se moze reci "temperatura zemlje je porasla za 1°C u zadnjih 100 god" (sama varijacija u mjernim instrumentima je bila veca od 1°C).Trece,ko to moze da utvrdi koja je "default" temperatura nase planete i gdje se mjeri?Cetvrto,nasa planeta je prolazila kroz mnogobrojne promjene tokom postojanja,pa bi se valjda i ledeno doba i pomjeranje kontinenata i izumiranje dinosaura ili udaranje asteroida od nju trebalo pripisati nekom globalnom hladjenu/zagrijavanju/pomjeranju i pri tome kriviti covjeka (da ne spominjem kako nije bilo industrije).
Slazem se da treba imati cist zrak u nasim zivotnim sredinama,ciste rijeke i cistu vodu,reciklirati sto vise i njegovati i obnavljati zelene povrsine i sume...ali globalno zagrijavanje je suplja prica i neko samo profitira na tome,u ovom slucaju Gore i "zeleni".
Razumijem sto si skeptican , 1 °C cak ni toliko vec 0,75 °C zvuci malo ako se jos uzme u obzir da su ova mjerenja vrsena relativno kratak period ui poredjenju sa staroscu zemlje neki ce reci da je GW trabunjanje.
E sad ti uporedi, manje no jedan celsijus za 100 godina sa 1,4 do 5,8 °C u narednih 100 godina, zar nije ogromna razlika? Ne smatras da tako drasticne promjene mogu dovesti do katastrofalnih posljedica po covjeka i ostalu floru i faunu ? Rupe u atmosferi se ne krpe, ja jos nisam cula ni kao najveci Science Fiction za to.
Meni licno nije poznat u detalj nacin na koji su oni dosli do ovog zakljucka, znam da se zasniva na simulaciji klimatskih promjena, i da je mjera ”climate senstivity” koja se definise uz pomoc vec studiraniog kimata i uticaja duplo uvelicanog sadrzaja ugljen dioxida u atmosferi( laicki), ali ako se 90% strucnjaka slaze sa gore navedenim podatcima, koje su prezentirane od strane FN-s Intergovernermental panel of climate change (IPCC) zasto ih nebih i ja i bilo koja vlast prihvatile i ucinile nesto po tom pitanju ?
Galilea i Kopernika isto tako nisu cjenile tadasnje vlasti a ljudi su bili i te kako u pravu i njihov naucni stav je bio prihvacen od drugih naucnika.
Ako se dobro sjecam ima poslovica, nesto kao "lako je gurati kola nizbrdo" a tako i mi, hocemo li da radimo na tome da ostanemo jos koji dan duze na ovoj planeti, da ostavis potomstvu zelenu avliju,ili hoces da ti potomci emigraju u buducnosti na Mars umjesto u lijepu Norvesku ?

Zalosno je cuti da ljudi ovo ne uzimaju za ozbiljno,jer nije nikakva politcka igra, vec egzistencijalno pitanje svih nas.
#31
Posted: 19/10/2007 00:25
by srce_ruke_lopata
Da Rina, vecina ovih GW tvrdnji se zasniva na kojekakvim simulacijama i predvidjanjima strucnjaka i zbog toga sam malo skeptican.Ne poricem da smo mi kao ljudska rasa nanijeli stetu planeti,pa mozda je i malo zagrijali,ali da sad to izaziva nekakve uragane i topi led na polovima, u to me tesko ubijediti bez nekih jacih naucnih dokaza (ne simulacija niti predvidjanja).To da ce se temp popeti za 5.8°C u narednih 100 god (ako sam dobro razumio) je opet naucno predvidjanje i steta sto nas nece biti tu da se vidimo koliko su bili tacni

...Kako onda objasniti kraj ledenog doba, jel' i tada bilo neko GW?Ne vjerujem, vec vjeurujem da zemlja prolazi kroz promjene,i svakodnevno izumiru biljne i zivotinjske vrste a nastaju neke nove kao rezultat adaptacije i promjene.Mi jesmo jednim malim dijelom odgovorni za to, ali ne toliko koliko govore, bar ja tako mislim.
#32
Posted: 19/10/2007 13:22
by rina*
srce_ruke_lopata wrote:Da Rina, vecina ovih GW tvrdnji se zasniva na kojekakvim simulacijama i predvidjanjima strucnjaka i zbog toga sam malo skeptican.Ne poricem da smo mi kao ljudska rasa nanijeli stetu planeti,pa mozda je i malo zagrijali,ali da sad to izaziva nekakve uragane i topi led na polovima, u to me tesko ubijediti bez nekih jacih naucnih dokaza (ne simulacija niti predvidjanja).To da ce se temp popeti za 5.8°C u narednih 100 god (ako sam dobro razumio) je opet naucno predvidjanje i steta sto nas nece biti tu da se vidimo koliko su bili tacni

...Kako onda objasniti kraj ledenog doba, jel' i tada bilo neko GW?Ne vjerujem, vec vjeurujem da zemlja prolazi kroz promjene,i svakodnevno izumiru biljne i zivotinjske vrste a nastaju neke nove kao rezultat adaptacije i promjene.
Mi jesmo jednim malim dijelom odgovorni za to, ali ne toliko koliko govore, bar ja tako mislim.
Ljudski ucinak je puno veci nego sto ti mislis, covjek je stvorio toliko novih hemiskijih jedinjenja za koje i nemamo pojma kako se ponasaju u ekoloskom ciklusu. Ja stvarno neznam kako da te covjek razuvjeri

ako AL Gore nije i 2500 strucnjaka

#33
Posted: 19/10/2007 17:45
by jefferson
simi5 wrote:Oboljelo još 97 vojnika koji su bili u BiH i na Kosovu
Nadležno ministarstvo iznijelo podatak da je do sada registriralo 255 oboljela vojnika i 37 mrtvih...
15.10.2007. 09:25
Teške posljedice osiromašenog urana po italijanske vojnike bila je udarna tema i nedavne sjednice parlamenta u Rimu. Razlog tome je 97 novooboljelih vojnika u toku ove godine i devet mrtvih vojnika, pogođenih, tzv. balkanskim sindromom.
Provjera podataka
Prema podacima Vojnog opservatorija, do sada je registrirano 2.536 vojnika koji su oboljeli od karcinoma nakon povratka iz mirovne misije u okolini Sarajeva i na Kosovu. Umrla su 164 vojnika mlađa od 30 godina.
Međutim, ovi podaci znatno se razlikuju od podataka koje je u parlamentu iznio ministar odbrane Arturo Parisi. Ministarstvo odbrane registriralo je "255 oboljela vojnika i 37 mrtvih" nakon povratka iz misije sa Balkana. Inače, u parlamentu je osnovana komisija za istragu o žrtvama osiromašenog urana.
- Ova značajna razlika u ciframa je dodatni problem za nastavak istrage i tražili smo od ministarstva zdravlja da provjere kriterije sakupljanja podataka - izjavila je šefica komisije Lidija Menapace za "Dnevni avaz".
Isplata odštete
Andrea Armaro, glasnogovornik ministra odbrane Italije, za naš list kaže kako još nema tačnih podataka o broju žrtava osiromašenog urana.
- Jedno je sigurno - broj oboljelih vojnika od karcinoma nakon povratka sa vojnih misija na Balkanu je povećan. To je razlog što smo u finansijskom programu izdvojili 170 miliona eura za isplatu odšteta porodicama oboljelih vojnika - kaže Armaro.
Ubilački prah traje stoljećima
Ubilački prah, koji se zadržava stoljećima u tlu i vodi gdje je bačena raketa s osiromašenim uranom, katastrofalno djeluje na sva bića koja dođu u dodir s otrovnom materijom. Osiromašeni uran na ljudskom tijelu izaziva karcinom pluća, bubrega, teške ozljede kostiju i leukemiju.
Izvor: Avaz
Mislim da tekst govori sam za sebe a protiv Al Gora. Koliko je moći u rukama podpretsednika SAD i jednog od najmoćnijih ljudi sveta? Mnogo a jedna od njih je i demonstrativno neslaganje i podnošenje ostavke.
hmmmmmm, a jel to amerika jedina koristi municiju od osiromasenog urana?
Sve vojske koriste tu municiju, ukljucujuci bivsu JNA. Takodje bivsa JNA, a kasnije cenicisu raspolagali sa nekoliko desetina tenkova M84 koji su se razlikovali od standardnog tako sto su imali reaktivni oklop od osiromasenog urana po uzoru na ruski T-90!
To koju municiju koristi avion u svom topu je stvarno smjesno u trazenju dlake u jajetu Al Goru!
Kome ce dati Nobelovu angradu, Putinu, ili mozda Ivanovicu?
#34
Posted: 19/10/2007 17:55
by GandalfSivi
@Simi5, legendo...
Hoces argumenta. Pa hajde da pocnemo od toga da je Al Gore bio podpredsjednik kada je Amerika potpisala Kyoto protokol, ali ga je ovaj drugi predsjednik (zbunje, ovo ono) ponistio.
Dalje, municija sa osiromasenim uranijem je standardni dio opreme i NATO-a i americke vojske, te jedan od podpredsjednika nema apsolutno nista sa tim. Dalje, prije nego sto pocnes gluposti pricati, informisi se malo. Ovaj put cu ti ja pomoci sa jednim texticem, i necu vise. Moras sam raditi na tome. Pa evo ti text...
Dvojica ljudi - Vint Cerf i Bob Kahn, koji su zaista napravili internet, napisali su u septembru 2000. godine zajedničku izjavu: "Kao ljudi koji su napravili osnovnu arhitekturu i protokole na osnovu kojih funkcioniše internet, želimo da odamo priznanje potpredsjedniku Goreu za njegov doprinos koji datira još iz vremena kad je on bio kongresmen, potom senator i na kraju potpredsjednik Sjedinjenih Američkih Država. Nijedan drugi političar, po našim saznanjima, nije više doprinio ovom projektu…"
Na američkim predsjedničkim izborima 2000. godine ja sam glasao za Ralpha Nadera i time omogućio Vrhovnom sudu Amerike da za predsjednika Amerika, u najmanju ruku diskutabilnom odlukom, proglase G.W.Busha. Kao eventualnu olakšavajuću okolnost napominjem da moj glas ni na koji način nije utjecao na konačan rezultat, jer su svi izborni glasovi Washington DC-a ipak dati Al Goreu. Zašto sam glasao za Nadera, a ne za Gorea?
Zato što sam smatrao da je za 300 miliona ljudi neprirodno da imaju izbor između samo dviju partija, jer nije tačno, kao što mi je to Nader rekao nakon jednog intervjua, da na zemlji postoje samo dvije vrsti ljudi; oni koji vole kupus i oni koji ga ne vole. Danas se, naravno, kajem, jer svaki put kad se ime Al Gore spomene u vijestima, ja zamislim kakva bi Amerika zemlja bila da je on pobijedio…
Uz Clintona Albert Arnold Al Gore je rođen u Washington DC-u 1948. godine. Al se, po svjedočenjima profesora, nije naročito isticao među drugim đacima u privatnoj konzervativnoj školi (St. Alban's school) koju je pohađao, mada je u arhivi škole ostalo zabilježeno da je na testu inteligencije "drveni Apolo", kako su ga svi zvali, osvojio jednom 133, a drugi put 134 poena. (Ne postoji zvaničan podatak o IQ rezultatima G.W.Busha). Na proslavi srednjoškolske mature Al Gore upoznaje bubnjarku školskog rokenrol banda Wildcats Mary Elizabeth Aitcheson (za prijatelje Tipper) i nakon nekoliko godina zabavljanja ta mladalačka ljubav se završava, kao bajka, sretnim brakom i s četvero djece.
Nakon završetka Harvard univerziteta i kratkotrajnog ali veoma uspješnog bavljenja novinarstvom, Gore se zaputio stopama svog oca i 1977. godine, nakon uspješne političke kampanje u državi Tennessee, postaje kongresmen, a potom, 1985. godine, senator. Za vrijeme svog mandata u parlamentu Gore je bio poznat po svojoj sklonosti da se bavi regulativom onih naučnih i društvenih problema koji su zbog svoje kompleksnosti bili nepopularni među drugim političarima. Strateške vojne snage i nuklearna odbrana, nauka, komunikacije, studiranje okeana, statuti i pravilnici u administraciji, itd. Osim ovih "dosadnih" interesa, koji će na kraju rezultirati Goreovim zakonom o stavljanju Pentagonovog interneta u službu naroda (zakon se zove Gore Bill, jer ga je on sa svojim saradnicima sastavio i inicirao), Gore se ponekad bavio i međunarodnim političkim pitanjima.
Nakon Saddamovog brutalno "Al-Anfal" ratnog pohoda na sjeveru Iraka, u kome je bojnim gasom pobijeno hiljade i hiljade Kurda, Gore je inicirao donošenje zakona (Zakon o prevenciji genocida iz 1988. godine), koji bi, da je donesen, rezultirao drastičnim sankcijama protiv iračkog diktatora. Međutim, tadašnji predsjednik Amerike Reagen je, savjetovan od strane svog potpredsjednika G.W.Busha, zaprijetio vetom i zakon nikad nije izglasan. Te iste (1988.) godine Al Gore je, stidljivo, pokušao da se uključi u predsjedničku trku, ali je ubrzo odustao i demokratski predsjednički kandidat će postati Michael Dukakis, koga će stariji G.W.Bush nešto kasnije pojesti za doručak u jednoj od TV debata. Sljedeće godine, Al Goreov šestogodišnji sin je zamalo ubijen u saobraćajnoj nesreći i on se povlači iz politike. Potpuno se posvećuje sinovljevom dugotrajnom liječenju i pisanju knjige o zaštiti okoliša Zemlja u ravnoteži, koja će odmah po objavljivanju postati veliki hit.
Sredinom mjeseca jula 1992. godine Bill Clinton je izašao na pozornicu velelepnog Maddison Square Gardena u New Yorku i u historijskom govoru poznatom pod nazivom "Ja dolazim iz malog mjesta koje se zove nada" okupljenim delegatima demokratske stranke saopćio da "u ime onih koji za život zarađuju svojim radom i plaćaju porez, u ime onih koji podižu svoju djecu igrajući po pravilima, u ime svih vrijednih Amerikanaca koji čine našu zaboravljenu srednju klasu, ja s ponosom prihvatam vašu nominaciju za predsjednika Amerike."
Čovjek koji je stajao na bini pored Clintona, njegov budući potpredsjednik, je Al Gore. Intenzitet ekonomskog prosperiteta koji je zapljusnuo Ameriku u vrijeme Clinton - Gore administracije je manje-više poznat, jer ga je posredno osjetio i ostatak svijeta.
Impresivni rezultati Američka privreda je, prema zvaničnim podacima vladinih agencija, ubrzano rasla osam uzastopnih godina i svi se ozbiljni ekonomski analitičari, bez obzira na partijsku pripadnost, slažu da je ključni faktor u toj ekspanziji bio, takozvani, Omnibus budžet (Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993.), za čije je usvajanje u 50-50 posto podijeljenom američkom Senatu bio presudan jedan glas. Glas koji je, u funkciji predsjednika Senata, dao potpredsjednik Amerike Al Gore. Iako se ljudi, zahvaljujući površnosti i malicioznosti američkih elektronskih medija, danas sjećaju samo Monice Lewinsky, administracija Clinton - Gore je u periodu od osam godina ostvarila impresivne rezultate.
Dvadeset i dva miliona novih poslova, najveći broj ljudi koji posjeduju stan u američkoj historiji, najniži procent nezaposlenosti u 30 godina, otplata 360 milijardi dolara nacionalnog duga, najniža stopa siromaštva u zadnjih 20 godina, porast plaća na svim nivoima, pretvaranje rekordnog budžetskog deficita u najveći historijski suficit, najveće smanjenje troškova vlade u zadnje tri decenije, najniži federalni porez na prihod i najveći procent porodica koje posjeduju berzne dionice. Zbog svega toga, bilo je logično očekivati da će u predsjedničkim izborima 2000. godine Al Gore, kad Clinton zbog ustavnog ograničenja broja mandata to više ne bude mogao, biti izabran za predsjednika Amerike i tako nastaviti američku ekonomsku renesansu. Međutim, iako je jednu godinu ranije postao prvi visoki funkcioner koji je istrčao pravi maraton (četiri sata, 54 minute i 25 sekundi), Al Gore je predsjedničku trku 2000. godine izgubio od G.W.Busha pod, i dan-danas, neobjašnjivim okolnostima. Al Gore je, naime, dobio uvjerljivu većinu (pola miliona glasova više od G.W.Busha), ali je 537 glasova u Floridi (čiji je guverner brat G.W.Busha) i odbijanje Vrhovnog suda Amerike da dozvoli ponovno prebrojavanje glasačkih listića u spornoj općini, najvišu izvršnu vlast u Americi, umjesto iskusnom, ozbiljnom i studioznom akademiku Al Goreu, dala u ruke čovjeka…, čovjeka koji u donošenju najbitnijih odluka, po nedavnom vlastitom priznaju, konsultuje svog oca. Ne svog prirodnog oca, iskusnog diplomatu i bivšeg predsjednika Amerike G.W.Busha, nego "svog duhovnog oca" Isusa Hrista, čiji je otac opet, kao što znamo, tip koji je za šest dana stvorio čitav svijet, a sedmi dan uzeo da se malo odmori. U svakom slučaju, za predsjednika je izabran G.W.Bush.
(Ovdje moram spomenuti još nešto što je nemoguće dokazati, ali je ipak istina. Veliki dio Amerikanaca bira svog predsjednika po sljedećem kriteriju: da se slučajno sretnemo u kafani, s kim bih radije popio piće za šankom. Većina ljudi s kojima sam razgovarao u toku tih izbora je Al Gorea doživljavala kao "ukočenog", "dosadnog", "isuviše pametnog", a G.W.Busha kao "duhovitog i smiješnog čovjeka iz naroda".)
A zamisli kakva bi Amerika zemlja bila da je Al Gore pobijedio…
U jednom naučnofantastičnom skeču popularne televizijske emisije Saturday Night Live (koja veoma podsjeća na sarajevske Nadrealiste), Al Gore, koji glumi samog sebe, se nalazi u paralelnom kosmosu u kome je on pobijedio na izborima 2000. godine. Globalno zagrijavanje je zaustavljeno, cijena nafte je pet centi za litar, svi Amerikanci imaju zdravstveno osiguranje, državni suficit je 11 triliona dolara, a G.W.Bush je predsjednik fudbalskog saveza.
Priča od pet riječi Nakon izbora, Al Gore se povlači s političke javne scene i svoje vrijeme i energiju posvećuje demokratizaciji američkog političkog sistema (osnivajući interaktivnu internet televiziju Current TV) i problemu očuvanja prirodne ravnoteže na zemlji. Na uporna pitanja novinara o svojim političkim namjerama u budućnosti, Al Gore uvijek odgovara rečenicom "da o tome nema govora", iako se, u članku objavljenom 29. juna 2007. godine u The Guardian, a na osnovu istraživanja javnog mijenja u New Hampshireu, kaže da bi u slučaju da se Al Gore kandiduje za predsjednika Amerike na predstojećim izborima, čak 29 posto sljedbenika Hillary Clinton prešlo na njegovu stranu. Kada su, u drugom dijelu istraživanja, tome dodati sljedbenici drugih kandidata koji bi svoje sadašnje lidere napustili i prišli Al Goreovom pokretu, čovjek koji odbija da učestvuje u trci bi bio prvi na listi demokratskih kandidata s uvjerljivih 32 posto glasova.
Danas je Al Gore jedan od upravnih odbornika kompjuterske kompanije Apple.Inc i savjetnik kompanije Google.Inc. i zahvaljujući novcu koji za to dobiva osnovao je i finansira nekoliko organizacija koje se bave zaštitom ljudske sredine. Za svoj rad na širenju ekološke svijesti ovih dana je dobio i Nobelovu nagradu, čiji je novčani dio već donirao jednoj od svojih organizacija. A zamisli kakva bi Amerika zemlja bila da je Al Gore pobijedio…
Međutim, priča koja, po meni, (osim podatka da je u vrijeme hurikana Katrine svojim novcem iznajmio dva aviona i evakuisao 270 ljudi iz New Orleansa) možda najbolje opisuje Al Gorea je sljedeća. Primajući 2006. godine "nagradu za životni doprinos razvoju interneta", koju dodjeljuje po izbirljivosti čuveni The Webby Awards, Al Gore je u zahvalnom govoru, koji je ograničen na samo pet riječi, rekao: "Molim vas, nemojte prebrojavati glasove".
A zamisli samo kakva bi Amerika zemlja bila da je pobijedio Al Gore… Kao što Ezra Pound reče: kad samo pomislim na šta bi Amerika ličila/kad samo pomislim na šta bi Amerika ličila/kad samo pomislim na šta bi Amerika ličila/pa lijepo/od toga, da zaspim ne mogu.
Izvor : Pedja Kojovic, DANI
#35
Posted: 19/10/2007 18:01
by karabaja-x
jel to onaj osnivac onog "no ma'am-a"
#36
Posted: 19/10/2007 20:03
by pitt
karabaja-x wrote:jel to onaj osnivac onog "no ma'am-a"
to je ovaj hairlija

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#37
Posted: 19/10/2007 20:16
by karabaja-x
pitt wrote:karabaja-x wrote:jel to onaj osnivac onog "no ma'am-a"
to je ovaj hairlija

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al booondy:"a woman is only pretty until she becomes your wife."
#38
Posted: 19/10/2007 20:40
by pitt
Go away, Peg.
Begone Jackals.
That's a good one, God!!
Oh. life is good! But not for me ...
I'm jealous of every man not married to you.
Behind every successful man is a woman who didn't marry me.
I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare.
Christmas is not the time for regrets. That's what anniversaries are for.
Love is not only blind but stupid.
Peggy : Tell me you love me, Al.
Al : I love football, I love beer, let's not cheapen the meaning of the word.
Peggy : Tell me you love me, Al
Al : Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Peggy : Tell me you love me, Al
Al : Peggy, it hurts my stomach.
If you want to have sex, the kids will have to leave. If you want it to be good, then you will have to leave.
Burned Beyond Recognition"??? Why can't these bands have cool names like when we were kids? Bands like "Nineteen Ten Fruitgum Company"!
If your life was any easier, you'd be in an urn in the ground!
Don't quit your day couch, Peg!
Behind every successful man is a woman who did not marry me.!
You do not want Kelly! From the moment she was conceived she has made men's lives miserable. Swaggart, Baker, Kennedy ... Kennedy, Kennedy ... Swaggart again!!!
The home shopping network! There's a good idea for women! It was a little too hard driving to the mall with a couch strapped to their ass!!!
It's amazing! They don't even have gravity in Wanker county but they have the home shopping network!!!
Marcy's niece? She must be from the unfeathered side of the family!
This wouldn't be a bad job if people didn't come in here!
Well, with a name like Leslie I think your a sissy!!!
He's my son!!! Don't you think I know he stinks?!!
In ten days we bowl for the championship which means we start intense training! Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Beer are in, protect your bowling arm at all times! Sex before the match is out! ... Unless of course you can keep it secret from the wives.
Marcy : We're having a new addition to our family!
Al : Shouldn't you be at home sitting on it to hatch?
Al : Cut to the left, cut to the left!!! Now!!! Go for the end zone!!
Bud : I thought you were looking at cheerleaders.
Al : I am. Damn cameraman's shooting their faces!!!
Marcy : I am Marcy Darcy here on behalf of the Coalition for the Esthetically Challenged.
Al : Challenged? I'd say defeated, exiled and left for dead!
No problem, I was on my way back to town to get a hernia operation anyway! Can I get anybody else a hundred pounds of anything?
Peg : You haven't been very nice to my family.
Al : Neither has nature, go bother it!
That's the sound of the axel hitting the ground. That means one of two things. Either Peg's family's in town or everybody in China just jumped off a chair.
Your life is meaningless compared to Hondo!!!
I welcome death!
I saw your mother naked and everything went black!!! I think my eyes were trying to protect my heart!!!
Peggy : Why don't you take us all out for dinner?
Al : What the hell, kids, you never wanted to go to college anyway, did you?
Congratulations Peg, you've just won a trip to disneyfist!
Shoes ... no kind of life for a man ...
You hate to see me eat, don't you, Peg?
If daddy gets the (electric) chair, will you sit on his lap one last time? (to Kelly)
5000 bucks for a Barbie doll??? A real woman isn't worth that much ...
... show them, as only you can, that the female body is not to be appreciated, but to be feared, reviled and in the case of most of you, kept totally covered at all times.
It would make a great movie! Better than that damn Columbus. America was already there, it would take a genius to invent a toilet bowl!
We didn't break free from that pantsy country England by voting! We did it by throwing their stinkin' tea in our American harbour! And why? Because Americans don't like tea. We like coffee. And Americans don't like wine. We like beer. Ice cold. Ice-cold-best-in-a-bottle-but-fine-any-way-you-can-get-it-belchin. It would make a great movie! Better than that damn Columbus. America was already there, it would take a genius to invent a toilet bowl! wake-up-in-a-pool-of-it-next-day-beer!
A fat woman came into the shoe store today. Wanted a pair of shoes for a christmas party. I told her to stand on her hands, put a star in her butt and go as the world's largest, ugliest tree!
Al (to a trio of fat women) : So do you really work for Victoria's Secret?
Fat Woman : Yes, we work for the plus size store for Victoria's Secret. It's called Victoria's BIG secret.
Al : I don't think Victoria can hold a secret this big.
The American justice system works! Beat the crap out of people before the judges let them go!
Peg : Ooh baby! Is that a nightstick or are you just happy to see me?
Al : It's a nightstick and I'm not afraid to use it!
Al : You'll never guess what I dreamt about at work today!
Peg : Me?
Al : Yes!
Peg : Was I in bed?
Al : Yes! As a matter of fact I'd tied you up!
Peg : Ooh Al, that's so kinky! What were you doing?
Al : Cindy Crawford!
Peg : Why don't you ever rock me, Al?
Al : 'Cause I'd rather stone you.
Pretty women make us BUY bear. Ugly women make us DRINK beer.
It's not for the dodge, it's for your mom, Peg, look it even comes in her size : astrooooo Vannnnn"
Entertainment for the cave man was simple : Man kills food, woman burns it, giant pterodactyl swoops down, chases woman, woman falls in mud. A good laugh is had by all.
Fat Woman : Do you always go to work wearing a suit and smelling like High Karate?
Al : No. Do you always go to work wearing curtains and smelling like Mars bars?
Four weddings and a funeral, where's the difference?
Well, according to my research, the cost of raising a baby from birth to college is approximately seven hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Thanks to my actually selling a shoe last week, I'm proud to say we're now just short seven hundred eighty thousand dollars. Thank you.
You know what I would do if I was President? I'd take a big empty state, that nobody's using, y'know, like Idaho, and I'd pack every pregnant woman in the country into donut trucks, and convoy 'em all to Boise. And since Idah means nothing anyhow, I'd change the name to Preg-naho.
Pig latin, Peg? It must be your mother. Tell her I said 'oink'.
Peg, did your mother get so fat she spread across the border?
This is my week off, so pack up, get the kids and I'll see you in a week.
There's only one dead guy in this mall and you're looking at him.
I saw a star in the East. Peg, did you do laundry?
Look at your mother, you've got her so worried she's looking every bit her 50 years.
Peg, I suspect your mind, much like the lost continent of Atlantis, no longer appears on any map.
How can she make more money than a guy who sells shoes AND burgers?
I'm so upset I can hardly eat this sandwich.
Am I truly nothing? Could the neighbourhood children be right?
I wish the world was a fly and I'm a giant rolled up newspaper.
God, is Oprah right? Are you a big fat woman?
Except for the day before the day I met you, this is the happiest day of my life.
Now wait a second. My pretty teenage daughter with the brain of a fruit-fly earned a thousand dollars in three nights. Should I be worried?
Stand back pumpkin. He's just about to pop and I don't want teeth and eyes all over you.
Old McBundy had a farm ... B-U-N-D-Y, and on this farm he had no wife, B-U-N-D-Y, and a no wife here and a no kids there, a hooker coming over on Friday nights ... Big luscious hooters, a pizza and a beer there ... old McBundy had a farm ... B-U-N-D-Y
Here we have 3 of the seven dwarfs, puffy, crabby and horny.
Why doesn't the world die?
The only power I sensed was that of the mighty forces unleashed by beans.
Please, Peg, if you have any feelings for me, don't make me make love to you.
Milwaukee, That's the town they built around you mother isn't it, Peg?
I only saw the end credits of Shane until your mother lumbered in front of the TV. By the time she passed by, it was morning!
I begged for the death-penalty but they insisted that I learn a lesson.
Peg, this is your birthday, please don't make me kill you!
I can't sleep with that damn woman in my bed!
I'm a shoe man, born and bred, dammit.
You're so sexy when you neuter me that way.
Peg, you look fabulous! You're gonna knock them dead at the bowling alley!
The brain doesn't need blood. It just needs to be kept wet.
People who work putting shoes on fat women who wear dresses should not have 20/20 vision.
(To a fat woman) Let me explain. It's just like an elevator. There's a 2 ton weight limit on these shoes ...
I've got a woman so lame that she actually thinks that when I groan during sex it has anything to do with her.
I married you 'til death do us part. So when I'm dead, I'm free to date.
Sure selling shoes is fun. But behind the glamour, it's like any other minimum wage slow death.
How many cradles have you robbed in your thousand years?
The last time she saw forty was 1840!
That's a solid $1.97 for me. After taxes, social security, and your mom, I just earned myself a cool nickel.
That's probably what it meant when my horoscope said "KABOOM!"
Imagine everybody you know under one moomoo! (Describing his mother-in-law)
Al : Son, have I told you not to get married?
Bud : Yeah, dad.
Al : Have I told you not to become a shoe salesman?
Bud : Yeah, dad.
Al : I guess I told you everything I know then.
See honey, lawn sales are based on the bigger idiot theory. You know, you sell things so dumb that some bigger idiot would buy it. But the flaw on that theory is eventually, you will get to the head idiot. And you call her mom.
I'm going to L.A. to become the big white hooter hunter!
I'm Maharaja Bundy and women with 4 hooters feed me Ding Dongs all day.
Hey, Marcy, what's holding the towel up?
I never wanted to get married, I got married. Never wanted kids, I have 2 of them. Why the hell am I here?
Remember our motto : We ain't got it.
Standing here with my loving family, I wonder why I'm running FROM the axe.
I'm going back to Chicago; where I only die a little every day.
Envy me. That's my wife. Those are my kids and I sell womens' shoes.
I'm not paying for my mistakes. I've been doing that since I got married.
If you want something fixed right, get an ugly guy to do it.
I'd invite you in but instead I think. I'll just beat the crap out of you.
I'm married with children.
It's only a game if you win but if you lose it's a stinking waste of time.
If God had wanted women to play ball, he would've made them men.
Guys may come and guys may go, but daddy's always daddy ... well, at least until he jumps a freight train.
Peg, is there any reason this cactus is where my alarm clock should be?
I had a dream last night. A big red haired mosquito in tight pants was hovering over me sucking money out of my wallet.
Only one woman, too much time.
We're closed and, much like my life, the day is over.
Peg, could you get that? It's probably the 'Homeless? It could be worse!' Tour.
Why is it that Elvis is dead but I'm in hell?
We all have to live with our disappointments ... I have to sleep with mine.
I'm gonna find a real man. One who likes klix and hates women.
I saw a star in the East. Peg, did you do laundry ?
Something sinister's going on, so I know a woman's behind it.
There's two things that the Bundy's don't do. We don't eat vegatables and we don't tap.
Life didn't pass me by, it sat on my head.
Marry a redhead!
I'm so hungry I could eat a horse. Since I'm not home, I won't have to.
Computers and women are ruining the country.
Dead men don't wake up yelling 'don't'.
In order for a house to be a home, only one can make the rules.
Threats don't work on me ... I've already been to hell.
How would I know, I never look at you!
Go away, Peg!
I'd rather dive of the Sears Tower head first into a thumbtack or bait a crocodile with my manhood ...
Here comes our baby now. Let's call him Insano.
Not quite as old as the hair on your legs ...
Great Ceasar's ghost!
Come on baby. We've got things to do; eyes to blindfold and babies to make.
I would like to plant a showel right between her barren eyes.
You see kids, it was a dream and you were replaced by two sixpacks in the refrigerator.
I hate those tests. They are designed to bury men.
If he slept with you, he's the stupidest man on earth.
Run like Mexican water through a first-time tourist.
It never quite the same when you're sober, is it?
Telling Al Bundy is just like telling the wind.
I blame it on TV myself.
You give him a bottle of redeye and a Playboy and he'll marry your mother to a cow.
Now son, look here, these redwood-trees they're over a thousand years old. I'm gonna cut me one of these down and use for a base for my satellite dish.
Well, it beats going to Hawaii with your mother.
What's five million years in the scheme of the life of one man?
This cheese means more to me than both your lives.
Peg, when you married me, was it pre-meditated or a drive-by marriage?
Home, work, can a man have too much fun?
Kelly, it's not that we don't believe you. It's just that we don't believe in LOVE.
I will show him the same kind of respect that any father would show a 41 year old man who dates his teenage daughter.
Am I truly nothing? Could the neighbourhood children be right?
We could always have another daughter, but as we both know, this is the car I'm going to have the rest of my life.
White crosses, sunlight ... nothing works on you anymore does it?
Soon our mouths will be alive with dead animals of every race and religion.
You've desecrated the toilet I call home!
I don't know what we're put on this planet to do but we're here damn it!
You might be wondering what a 25 year old millionaire is doing with a 18 year old daughter?
My wheenies have been exposed!
What's for dinner tonight in the slammer, guys?
I was driving home ... God knows why ...
Gee, none of my family was of any help to me, how unusual.
Lousy, red-headed, life-sucking mosquito!
Except for the day before the day I met you, this is the happiest day of my life.
Lets go! Last one to your house gets to sit next to my wife!
Oh mighty one in the heavens who created the mountains, the seas and beer ...
Next to a dog, a beautiful woman is the thing to be.
I don't HAVE to go to sleep after sex. I WANT to go to sleep after sex. I welcome the darkness.
I would rather sleep in a bunk-bed under Oprah!
Yo! I'm broke!
I'm sorry Peg. I saw some underware I just had to have.
How proud can a father be?
Now wait a second. My pretty teenage daughter with the brain of a fruit-fly earned a thousand dollars in three nights. Should I be worried?
Say goodnight, super-fly!
Stand back pumpkin. He's just about to pop and I don't want teeth and eyes all over you.
I'll get that money even if I'll have to dance naked in the streets!
I'm a living example of how the brain really doesn't need blood to work.
Hey, everything looks like noodles in here!
They call me Flipper ... Flipper ...
Seems like I do what I was knowing then, boy.
This table will self-desctruct in 5 seconds ...
I'll hold him down and you'll take his wallet.
I love you, Peg ... Just kidding!
She's got you shaking like a frenchman in a thunderstorm.
Are they gonna find US with our legs up in the air?
Now kids, we're not here to attack each other. We're here to attack the baby.
I don't know ... The last thing I remember a fryingpan bounced of my head.
I wouldn't rub your feet if a genee popped out of them.
Kids take a good long look. This is worth a thousand condom commercials.
Kids, don't look back. We'll all be salt.
Where's my remote control???
I'm afraid I may not know what cool is anymore.
Al Bundy is back!!!
Oh, look at the starving children. Woah man, now we're having fun!
You may as well bore me with your problems ...
I'm still giddy with the thought that possibly, just possibly, I might have sat at the same toilet seat as Bob Hope.
Of cause my present lack of fait is understandable since your average parking meter makes more a day than I do.
It's showbusiness. You don't need talent OR brain.
I left high school, lost the will to live and here I am ...
May the shoe-business take you all!
I'm married to a woman named ... something.
Peg, you know I warned you before about touching me.
Marcy, the part with the cups goes in front.
I'm gonna give this to the only one I truly love ... me!
Laugh at this, hyenas!
There is so much that I wanna say to you but there's a show coming on that I wanna watch.
Why doesn't the world die?
I want my TVGuide!!!
I've got two TV guides. One on the table and one in the bath-room. I'm rich!
The only power I sensed was that of the mighty forces unleashed by beans.
Please, Peg, if you have any feelings for me, don't make me make love to you.
I've learned to live on plack.
Greetings vultures! Your meal-ticket is here.
... and no one understands why I scream on the way home ...
Peg we've been married for 17 years. Can't we just be friends?
A man's home is his coffin.
Don't let these slits on my wrists fool you.
Health people are like dinosaurs. They're not fit to survive.
Anything that's good enough for the cockroach is good enough for my family.
I'm hungry enough to block a colon.
You can spend some quality-time at the news-stand reading dirty magazines.
Don't call me a TV in my own home!
Honey ... you're an idiot!
A stallion like me only comes around once a year.
Oh, if only a man could have two wives.
What was I thinking when I said 'I do'? I'd already had sex with her so I didn't need that again.
Milwaukee. That's the town they build around you mother isn't it, Peg?
Wait a minute, I think I've just had a vision!
I see you're all looking at me a bit differently now.
The opera isn't over until the last heterosexual falls asleep.
None today! Tomorrow, twice as much!
This is not a recorded message. I'm a human being, damn it!
I begged for the death-penalty but they insisted that I'd learn a lesson.
I work in a shoe-store and still I'm not happy to come home.
You go home and tell your daddy you have the mail-man's eyes.
Don't look at me, I'm blind from hunger.
Put your feet up folks, it's getting pretty deep in here.
The last thing a guy wants to look at at the end of the day is a woman.
How about if I get my gun and shoot you with a nice silver bullet.
No-one can resist a shoe-salesman.
I deserv to be punished, I married your mother.
What if I make you a nice licence-plate that says 'I'm a bore'?
Pretty good for a guy stupid enough to marry you, huh?
Another hallmark moment!
If I could just help one kid not marry, my job is done.
I hate to go to sleep with the smell of feet on my hands.
Revenge ... is great
Let's bowl
Peg, this is your birthday, please don't make me kill you!
We are blood-Bundys. We are truly doomed.
I truly, truly want to die!
Alright now, everybody ... shoot me!
This news is so big I even want the girl to hear it ...
Nothing's too good for me ...
I haven't showered in a week so I think I better get right to bed ...
I miss my couch.
Don't make me kill you on family-day.
Let's boogie!
... who cares, it's free!
Take me to your finest bathroom!
Ah, home sweet hell!
If I was the mailman, I'd be having your wife.
Why go out for milk when you've got a cow at home.
Every now and then a guy who drive a Dodge likes to close his eyes and imagine it's a Ferrari.
Christmas is not the time for regrets. That's what anniversaries are for.
I can't sleep with that damn woman in my bed!
Back then, mother meant cooking but then gay meant happy.
I'm born and bred to be a shoeman.
I'm a shoe man, born and bred, dammit.
This is a fine mess. She's an idiot and the smart one's mad at us.
I hate my life ... can't eat, can't sleep, can't bury my wife in the backyard.
That's all I need. Work all day with the Beaver and come home to you.
I didn't steal your bra!
Today is the first day of the end of your life.
Don't look at me, I wasn't even awake.
The brain doesn't need blood. It just needs to be kept wet.
People who work putting shoes on fat women who wear dresses should not have 20/20 vision.
If you need me I'll be at the nudie bar.
Ok, here's another idea. Let's toss this in the oven and see if it bakes. There's a shoe-salesman in the 23th century. It's called Shoe Trek.
Peg, you can stab me with knives, you can beat me with clubs, you can make me open my eyes when we're having sex but there's no way on earth you can make me get a second job.
Let me explain. It's just like an elevator. There's a 2 ton weight limit on those shoes ...
This is a sex free house and by God it will be for the rest of my life.
I've lived and I've loved ... later on I even married.
You know I never danced unless it was gonna get some sex for me.
It's not everyday an uncle dies and the coroner forgets to lock his house.
It gets better each time as long as it's never with the same woman.
A man is a man all his life. A woman is only sexy until she becomes your wife.
Six bucks is too much money to spend on any woman.
Well, I chalked up some more frequent loser miles today.
I've got a woman so lame that she actually thinks that when I groan during sex it has anything to do with her.
Thank god she can't eat me!
Just say no to marriage.
Insurance is like marriage. You pay and pay but you never get anything back.
If dynamite was dangerous, do you think they'd sell it to an idiot like me.
It's bad enough that I know we're married, do we have to let the whole world know?
I married you 'til death do us part. So when I'm dead, I'm free to date.
God, for once I'm actually glad to be home.
We haven't had any kids in over 10 years. I must be doing something right.
Oh, Lord, if I ever meant anything to you, please let me fall asleep before she thinks of sex.
Marriage stinks, have a kid. Kid stinks, have another kid.
Sure selling shoes is fun. But behind the glamour, it's like any other minimum wage slow death.
Sorry, Peg, I didn't hear you. I was thinking of killing myself.
To know me is to love me.
That's what being a man is like : making mistakes and not caring.
You know Peg, for a bigfoot your mother is not bad.
Peg : Shall I get one of those? (mini skirts)
Al : Why?
... I want some form of dead animal on that table ... and I want that animal to be succulent.
Damn it, Steven, we're men. It's our god-given right to watch sports and smut.
Peggy : Am I getting old, Al?
Al : How do I know? I never look at you.
#39
Posted: 19/10/2007 22:22
by karabaja-x
svaka mu je na mjestu

#40
Posted: 20/10/2007 10:56
by Skyfox
pitt you’re crazy
