@Mac
Hajde ovo što si napisao o organskoj hrani, ali me zanima otkud znanje o proizvodnji stočne hrane?
Pomoc pri prevodu...
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Macintosh
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#27
@Eshek,
Sto bi se reklo "kolateralna steta". Naime, nekoliko klijenata koji se bave poslovima vezanim za organsku poljoprivredu su dio neformalne poslovne grupe (nesto kao asocijacija zasnovana na zajednickom interesu) koja se zalaze za rigorozne standarde definiranja organske hrane.
Jedan od ciljeva je da se za svaku etapu proizvodnje hrane moze dokazati da je uradjena po principima i metodama organske poljoprivrede te u skaladu sa odgovarajucim standardima i zakonskim odredbama. Kad je u pitanju proizvodnja hrane zivotinjskog porijekla (meso, mlijeko i jaja), cilj je da se u preharni koristi organski proizvedena stocna hrana koja istovremeno mora biti i priordna za odredjenu zivotinjsku vrstu. Na primjer, organski kukuruz se nebi mogao koristiti za ishranu goveda, itd.
Ovde moram napomenuti da gore navedeni klijenti ne ukljucuju firme i organizacije iz BiH.
Sto bi se reklo "kolateralna steta". Naime, nekoliko klijenata koji se bave poslovima vezanim za organsku poljoprivredu su dio neformalne poslovne grupe (nesto kao asocijacija zasnovana na zajednickom interesu) koja se zalaze za rigorozne standarde definiranja organske hrane.
Jedan od ciljeva je da se za svaku etapu proizvodnje hrane moze dokazati da je uradjena po principima i metodama organske poljoprivrede te u skaladu sa odgovarajucim standardima i zakonskim odredbama. Kad je u pitanju proizvodnja hrane zivotinjskog porijekla (meso, mlijeko i jaja), cilj je da se u preharni koristi organski proizvedena stocna hrana koja istovremeno mora biti i priordna za odredjenu zivotinjsku vrstu. Na primjer, organski kukuruz se nebi mogao koristiti za ishranu goveda, itd.
Ovde moram napomenuti da gore navedeni klijenti ne ukljucuju firme i organizacije iz BiH.
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mIRCerka
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#30
sto se tice organske proizvodnje u BiH... imamo OK kontrolu za org.proizvodnju...a sve je obicno u skladu sa KRAV standadrima...
http://www.krav.se/english.asp svega tu ima pa bujrum...
ima jos jedna certifikacijska kuca, inostrana, ali nije poznata kao KRAV a nas narod navikao, makar preko KLASa na KRAV...
http://www.krav.se/english.asp svega tu ima pa bujrum...
ima jos jedna certifikacijska kuca, inostrana, ali nije poznata kao KRAV a nas narod navikao, makar preko KLASa na KRAV...
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Saraswati
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#31
@Helem, uzecu tvoje opservacije u obzir.
@Eshek, u pravu si. Jeste izvadjeno iz konteksta. Samo ne znam koliko bi ti pomogli ovi isjecci na kojima ja radim jer su i oni izvadjeni iz konteksta. Ali postiracu i njih, dok se ja malo snadjem
Raja, hvala na inputima
@Macintosh, zivo pratim diskusiju. Vidim da su nam ove informacije svima korisne.
Do citanja!
@Eshek, u pravu si. Jeste izvadjeno iz konteksta. Samo ne znam koliko bi ti pomogli ovi isjecci na kojima ja radim jer su i oni izvadjeni iz konteksta. Ali postiracu i njih, dok se ja malo snadjem
Raja, hvala na inputima
@Macintosh, zivo pratim diskusiju. Vidim da su nam ove informacije svima korisne.
Do citanja!
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mIRCerka
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#33
suti, organske mi je na vrh venerinog brijega.... i veterine i poljoprivrede...Saraswati wrote:A vidim i Mirci je tu...
Welcome Mirci
sreca nisam bila online proslu sedmicu, nisam na vrijeme vidjela ovu temu inace bih se roknula ko siroce jer sam bila na rubu sloma...radi poljoprivrede....i organske proizvodnje... i uzgajanja malina...
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mIRCerka
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#35
prosle godine sam za potrebe firme morala prevoditi standarde KRAVa...Saraswati wrote:Vjerujem
i onda se za glavu uhvatim kad skontam koliko recimo samo vrsta gline ima...
da ne pricam o gnojivima...i raznim biljkama...
nego, prevde li postavljacica teme sto je trebalo?
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Saraswati
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#37
Evo, pa ko zna:
M10 (d) in the case of products prepared after 1 January 1997, the labelling refers to the name
and/or the code number of the inspection authority or body to which the operator is
subject. Member States shall decide whether to require a reference to the name and/or to
the code number and shall notify the Commission accordingly.
3. The labelling and advertising of a product specified in Article 1 (1) (b) may bear
indications referring to organic production methods in the sales description of the
product only where:
Napomena, ne morate prevoditi samo boldirane dijelove
M10 (d) in the case of products prepared after 1 January 1997, the labelling refers to the name
and/or the code number of the inspection authority or body to which the operator is
subject. Member States shall decide whether to require a reference to the name and/or to
the code number and shall notify the Commission accordingly.
3. The labelling and advertising of a product specified in Article 1 (1) (b) may bear
indications referring to organic production methods in the sales description of the
product only where:
Napomena, ne morate prevoditi samo boldirane dijelove
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Saraswati
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#38
Evo jedan veci post. Naravno, ne ocekujem da mi sve prevodite, ovo samo malo da prosirim konetkst. Bilo bi mi korisno kada biste mi dali sugestije za pravne termine. Neke sam boldirala.
3. The labelling and advertising of a product specified in Article 1 (1) (b) may bear
indications referring to organic production methods in the sales description of the
product only where:
(a) at least 95 % of the ingredients of agricultural origin*of the product are, or are
derived from, products obtained in accordance with the rules laid down in Article
6 or imported from third countries under the arrangements laid down in Article
11;
(b) all the other ingredients of agricultural origin of the product are included in Annex
VI, Section C or have been provisionally authorized by a Member State in
accordance with any implementing measures adopted where appropriate pursuant
to paragraph 7;
(c) the product contains only substances listed in Annex VI, Section A, as ingredients
of non-agricultural origin;
(d) the products or its ingredients of agricultural origin, referred to in subparagraph
(a), have not been subjected to treatments involving the use of substances not
listed in Annex VI, Section B;
(e) the product or its ingredients have not been subjected to treatments involving the
use of ionizing radiation;
(f) the product has been prepared or imported by an operator who is subject to the
inspection measures laid down in Articles 8 and 9;
(g) in the case of products prepared after 1 January 1997, the labelling refers to the
name and/or the code number of the inspection authority or body to which the
operator who has carried out the most recent preparation operation is subject.
Member States shall decide whether to require a reference to the name and/or to
the code number and shall notify the Commission accordingly.The indications referring to organic production methods must make it clear that they
relate to a method of agricultural production and must be accompanied by a reference
to the ingredients of agricultural origin concerned, unless such reference is clearly
given in the list of ingredients;
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(h) the product has been produced without the use of genetically modified organisms
and/or any products derived from such organisms.
3a. By way of derogation from paragraphs 1 to 3, trade marks which bear an
indication referred to in Article 2, may continue to be used until 1 July 2006 in the
labelling and advertising of products which do not comply with this Regulation
provided that:
— registration of the trade mark was applied for before 22 July 1991 —
unless the second subparagraph below applies — and is in conformity
with the First Council Directive 89/104/EEC of 21 December 1988 to
approximate the laws of the Member States relating to trade marks (1),
and— the trade mark is already reproduced with a clear, prominent, and easily
readable indication that the products are not produced according to the
organic production method as prescribed in this Regulation.
The date of application referred to in the first indent of the first subparagraph is, for Finland,
Austria, and Sweden, 1 January 1995 and, for the Czech Republic, Estonia, Cyprus, Latvia,
Lithuania, Hungary, Malta, Poland, Slovenia and Slovakia, 1 May 2004.
*Ovo je za Macintosha
3. The labelling and advertising of a product specified in Article 1 (1) (b) may bear
indications referring to organic production methods in the sales description of the
product only where:
(a) at least 95 % of the ingredients of agricultural origin*of the product are, or are
derived from, products obtained in accordance with the rules laid down in Article
6 or imported from third countries under the arrangements laid down in Article
11;
(b) all the other ingredients of agricultural origin of the product are included in Annex
VI, Section C or have been provisionally authorized by a Member State in
accordance with any implementing measures adopted where appropriate pursuant
to paragraph 7;
(c) the product contains only substances listed in Annex VI, Section A, as ingredients
of non-agricultural origin;
(d) the products or its ingredients of agricultural origin, referred to in subparagraph
(a), have not been subjected to treatments involving the use of substances not
listed in Annex VI, Section B;
(e) the product or its ingredients have not been subjected to treatments involving the
use of ionizing radiation;
(f) the product has been prepared or imported by an operator who is subject to the
inspection measures laid down in Articles 8 and 9;
(g) in the case of products prepared after 1 January 1997, the labelling refers to the
name and/or the code number of the inspection authority or body to which the
operator who has carried out the most recent preparation operation is subject.
Member States shall decide whether to require a reference to the name and/or to
the code number and shall notify the Commission accordingly.The indications referring to organic production methods must make it clear that they
relate to a method of agricultural production and must be accompanied by a reference
to the ingredients of agricultural origin concerned, unless such reference is clearly
given in the list of ingredients;
.M15
(h) the product has been produced without the use of genetically modified organisms
and/or any products derived from such organisms.
3a. By way of derogation from paragraphs 1 to 3, trade marks which bear an
indication referred to in Article 2, may continue to be used until 1 July 2006 in the
labelling and advertising of products which do not comply with this Regulation
provided that:
— registration of the trade mark was applied for before 22 July 1991 —
unless the second subparagraph below applies — and is in conformity
with the First Council Directive 89/104/EEC of 21 December 1988 to
approximate the laws of the Member States relating to trade marks (1),
and— the trade mark is already reproduced with a clear, prominent, and easily
readable indication that the products are not produced according to the
organic production method as prescribed in this Regulation.
The date of application referred to in the first indent of the first subparagraph is, for Finland,
Austria, and Sweden, 1 January 1995 and, for the Czech Republic, Estonia, Cyprus, Latvia,
Lithuania, Hungary, Malta, Poland, Slovenia and Slovakia, 1 May 2004.
*Ovo je za Macintosha
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debela
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#40
znas sta, bez ikakve uvrede, mislim da ni ti, a ni prijateljica ocito niste dorasle zadatku kojeg ste se prihvatile. to nije sramota jer u pitanju je zakon, kako si navela, znaci strogo strucni tekst. mislim da je postenije platiti profesionalnog prevodioca nego nekome uciniti medvjedju uslugu jer od tvog prevoda zavisi kako ce neko protumaciti zakon i djelovati dalje. a posljedice mogu biti lose.
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Edit
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#42
debela wrote:znas sta, bez ikakve uvrede, mislim da ni ti, a ni prijateljica ocito niste dorasle zadatku kojeg ste se prihvatile. to nije sramota jer u pitanju je zakon, kako si navela, znaci strogo strucni tekst. mislim da je postenije platiti profesionalnog prevodioca nego nekome uciniti medvjedju uslugu jer od tvog prevoda zavisi kako ce neko protumaciti zakon i djelovati dalje. a posljedice mogu biti lose.
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Bumbar
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#44
Slazem se... znam studente preva koji haman placu kad treba pravni tekst prevoditi...Edit wrote:debela wrote:znas sta, bez ikakve uvrede, mislim da ni ti, a ni prijateljica ocito niste dorasle zadatku kojeg ste se prihvatile. to nije sramota jer u pitanju je zakon, kako si navela, znaci strogo strucni tekst. mislim da je postenije platiti profesionalnog prevodioca nego nekome uciniti medvjedju uslugu jer od tvog prevoda zavisi kako ce neko protumaciti zakon i djelovati dalje. a posljedice mogu biti lose.
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Saraswati
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#45
Pa slazem se i ja... To da mi nismo kompetentne uopste nije sporno Radi se o tome da je njoj to uzasna hica na poslu i da me je zamolila da joj prevedem tih par strana. A ja ne mogu a da se ne konsultujem sa ljudima koji o tome nesto vise znaju.
A da je amaterski, jest...
@Mirci, hvala na kontaktu
Radi se o tome da je njoj to uzasna hica na poslu i da me je zamolila da joj prevedem tih par strana. A ja ne mogu a da se ne konsultujem sa ljudima koji o tome nesto vise znaju. A da je amaterski, jest...
@Mirci, hvala na kontaktu
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delightful
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#47
Sad je meni HITNO potrebna pomoc - kako se kaze pomor ribe???? Hvala
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Macintosh
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#50
Fish death ili death of fish. S obzirom da se pod pomorom ribe najcesce misli na veliku kolicinu ribe moze se koristiti i massive death of fish ili massive fish death u kontekstu gdje je pomor izazvan indirektno kao sto je, na primjer, izljevanje otpadnih voda ili otrovnih tvari u rijeku/jezero/more (cilj nije pomor ribe nego "odlaganje" otpada, nus proizvoda, itd).
Ukoliko se radi o pomoru izazvanim direktno s ciljem ulova ribe (na primjer, kad ekipa ide u ribolov s dinamitom), moze se jos i koristiti massive fish kill.
Massive u gore pomenutim terminima se moze zamjeniti i sa mass scale odnosno mass-scale. Sve u svemu, ovisi o kontekstu.
@Eshek,
Izivni za nejavljanje, ali sam malo zauzet. Nastojat cu postaviti neke linkove i dokumente (ukoliko dobijem dozvolu za "distribuciju") u narednih nekoliko dana.
Ukoliko se radi o pomoru izazvanim direktno s ciljem ulova ribe (na primjer, kad ekipa ide u ribolov s dinamitom), moze se jos i koristiti massive fish kill.
Massive u gore pomenutim terminima se moze zamjeniti i sa mass scale odnosno mass-scale. Sve u svemu, ovisi o kontekstu.
@Eshek,
Izivni za nejavljanje, ali sam malo zauzet. Nastojat cu postaviti neke linkove i dokumente (ukoliko dobijem dozvolu za "distribuciju") u narednih nekoliko dana.