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Realista
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#26

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Nisam mogao zamisliti da ce mi ikada rumunski auto biti interesantan. Eto sta rade strana ulaganja. Svaka cast.
Da mi je jos skupit onih 13500 sto mi fali i voziiiiiii misko!!!!!!!
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#27 Manja carina za Dacia-u

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Uskoro ce biti smanjena carina za vozila proizvedena u Rumuniji, dakle, za Dacia-u.
UMJESTO 16% CARINE BIT CE 8,6% !!!
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#28 Re: Nova Dacia Logan

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Nadir wrote:Cijena navedenog modela je 5000 Eura, a u BIH dolazi u septembru po cijeni od cca 14.000 KM ( na cestu, s carinom i porezom ).
Pozdrav drustvo :-D

Iz Skoplja sam i nesto sam se prilicno zagrejao za ovaj auto pa me cisto interesuje koliko je to 14000 KM u eurima. Cisto da znam od prilike koliko bi kostao kod nas.

Hvala unapred.
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#29 NOVA DACIA LOGAN

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Pozdrav Makedoniji.
14.000 KM ti je cca 7.200 EUR
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#30 Re: NOVA DACIA LOGAN

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Nadir wrote:Pozdrav Makedoniji.
14.000 KM ti je cca 7.200 EUR

Hvala Nadir. 8-) Pa 7200 eur je sasvim u redu na prvi pogled. Mislim da niko ne nudi auto u toj klasi za manje para. Javite kad pocne prodaja kod vas.
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#31 NOVA DACIA LOGAN

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VladoMKD, prodaja nove Dacia-e Logan u BIH pocinje od slijedeceg mjeseca.
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14 hiljada maraka za Daciu! Pa ljudi vi niste normalni! Po čemu se oni to razlikuju od Lade, osim po tome što im Renault daje dijelove koje je u svoje modele ugrađivao prije cca. 10-15 godina? Otiđite fino na auto pijacu pa pogledajte šta se tamo nudi za iste pare! Npr. Marcedes 190D, koji košta oko 9000 maraka (dobro očuvan model) poderaće tri takve Dacije! Samo smo mi Bosanci toliki debili da za istočnjačko smeće, poput Lade i Dacije, damo nekih 15 hiljada maraka! Nevjerovatno!
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ado-šampion wrote:Otiđite fino na auto pijacu pa pogledajte šta se tamo nudi za iste pare! Npr. Marcedes 190D, koji košta oko 9000 maraka (dobro očuvan model) poderaće tri takve Dacije! Samo smo mi Bosanci toliki debili da za istočnjačko smeće, poput Lade i Dacije, damo nekih 15 hiljada maraka! Nevjerovatno!
:lol: Nisu samo bosanci :roll:
Znas , nije svako sposoban da ode na pijacu i odabere pravi auto. Mislim da nekih 60% od onih koji kupuju na staro promase stvar. Das 5000 EUR i onda jos toliko za remont i ostale stvari, i na kraju opet vozis stari auto kome je neko jos pre 10 god. izbacio nekoliko puta ulje kroz auspuh. OK salim se malo, ali ja bih kakve sam srece izabrao naveci krsh na pijaci :lol:
Zato sam se odlucio za novi, a ono sto Logan nudi izgleda sasvim prihvatljivo. Jos se nadam da je ovo pokusaj Dacie da uradi ono sto je uradila Skoda sa Feliciom - proboj na trziste kvalitetom i cenom. Nadam se da ce bar ova prva serija Logana liciti na nesto i da ce izbeci one poznate mane Dacie, zavrsna izrada, prozori, ulazenje vode unutra i slicne stvari. Ipak na Loganu pise "by Renault" pa se iskreno nadam da nece sebi dozvoliti da rusi tesko steceni ugled u svetu auto industrije.

btw. raspitao sam se kod nas i kazu da ce poceti sa prodajom za mesec dana :-D
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#34

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angela, pusti ta evropska sranja o NCAP sigurnosti. kompletna fama o apsorpciji udarca je zasnovana na pretpostavci da ces spizditi u FAP pri brzini od 90-100 kmh. i prezivjeti. sto je super.

ali vecina sudara se desava pri manjim brzinama, da ne govorim o blagim "kuckanjima" i "grebanjima", koja su normalna pojava u gradskoj voznji. i sta je posljedica? posljedica je to da kada kucnes renault lagunu negdje na semaforu pri brzini od 15-20 kmh, ulubis i deformises (citaj: sjebes) pola sasije, te napravis stetu od par milja maraka. renault servis derneci u tu cast. a kada vozis npr. ladu, taj isti udarac rezultira ogrebotinom i eventualnim blagim udubljenjem koje se u bilo kojem mahalskom servisu ispravi gumenim cekicem ili eventualno pneumatikom za 200 maraka.

a kod renaultoovih automobila pneumatsko izvlacenje lima je nmoguce jer se radi o aluminijskim legurama koje se zguzvaju i mozes ih baciti nakon udara. a o rucnom ispravljanju da i ne govorim. sve u svemu, nakon sudara, kupi novo auto.

sto se tice sudara pri vecoj brzini (npr 80 kmh) sa ladom, vjeruj mi, neunistiva je. pod uslovom da se vezes, nece ti nista biti. ovo vazi pogotovo za ladu nivu. znao sam u ratu jednog kapetana iz 101 motorizovane koji je bio u nivi koja je pogodjena iz 45-ice na igmanu. stigli su do hrasnice bez problema.

dakle: lada je stari ruski celik koji je tvrd ko kamen, bez obzira da se radi o staroj 1300 ili novom siluetu. robusna je i tvrda, bucna i puno trosi, ali je zato jebeni TENK! dacia je vazda bilo jeftino istocnoevropsko govno, nesto kao rumunski wartburg. i to sto ce nam sad renault prodavati ublehe o svom ugledu, uvaljujuci nam motor koji se u twingo prestao ugradjivati prije 7 godina, ne mijenja nista.

zivjela lada!

p.s.
fabia je odlican autic koji je, sto se tice sigurnosti, tvrd skoro kao i lada. ko je dozivio jaci sudar, zna o cemu govorim (nosaci sasije, greda i kriz su od livenog celika, pa vi skontajte)...
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#35

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Pronasao sam neki forum :

http://www.daciaclub.ro/viewforum.php?f=34

:-? Ali nista ne razumem, neki drive-testovi i linkovi za Logan, nazalost nemogu da nadjem nista na engleskom :sad:

Mozda nekome koristi :roll:
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#36

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toliko o marketingu i globalnom trzistu... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#37

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ado-šampion wrote:14 hiljada maraka za Daciu! Pa ljudi vi niste normalni! Po čemu se oni to razlikuju od Lade, osim po tome što im Renault daje dijelove koje je u svoje modele ugrađivao prije cca. 10-15 godina? Otiđite fino na auto pijacu pa pogledajte šta se tamo nudi za iste pare! Npr. Marcedes 190D, koji košta oko 9000 maraka (dobro očuvan model) poderaće tri takve Dacije! Samo smo mi Bosanci toliki debili da za istočnjačko smeće, poput Lade i Dacije, damo nekih 15 hiljada maraka! Nevjerovatno!
Najbolje auto je novo auto.

Jebo taj Mercedes ako je on star 15 godina i na stalne opravke ces za 2-3 godine izletiti para da si mogao jos jednog uzeti.
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#38

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JD wrote:
ado-šampion wrote:14 hiljada maraka za Daciu! Pa ljudi vi niste normalni! Po čemu se oni to razlikuju od Lade, osim po tome što im Renault daje dijelove koje je u svoje modele ugrađivao prije cca. 10-15 godina? Otiđite fino na auto pijacu pa pogledajte šta se tamo nudi za iste pare! Npr. Marcedes 190D, koji košta oko 9000 maraka (dobro očuvan model) poderaće tri takve Dacije! Samo smo mi Bosanci toliki debili da za istočnjačko smeće, poput Lade i Dacije, damo nekih 15 hiljada maraka! Nevjerovatno!
Najbolje auto je novo auto.

Jebo taj Mercedes ako je on star 15 godina i na stalne opravke ces za 2-3 godine izletiti para da si mogao jos jednog uzeti.
u potpunosti se slazem. stari gospodin henri ford je znao sta govori... :D
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#39

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JD wrote:
ado-šampion wrote:14 hiljada maraka za Daciu! Pa ljudi vi niste normalni! Po čemu se oni to razlikuju od Lade, osim po tome što im Renault daje dijelove koje je u svoje modele ugrađivao prije cca. 10-15 godina? Otiđite fino na auto pijacu pa pogledajte šta se tamo nudi za iste pare! Npr. Marcedes 190D, koji košta oko 9000 maraka (dobro očuvan model) poderaće tri takve Dacije! Samo smo mi Bosanci toliki debili da za istočnjačko smeće, poput Lade i Dacije, damo nekih 15 hiljada maraka! Nevjerovatno!
Najbolje auto je novo auto.

Jebo taj Mercedes ako je on star 15 godina i na stalne opravke ces za 2-3 godine izletiti para da si mogao jos jednog uzeti.
Najbolji je nov auto, ako nije zastava, lada ili dacia.

Pa zar bi neko stvarno kupio Daciu prije jednog Mercedesa? A 190D sam spomenuo sasvim slučajno jer mi je jaran nedavno uzeo. Fabia, na primjer, košta 16-ak hiljada. Pa izvuko bi te dvije hiljada makar mi trebale za lijeka, al bi vozio normalno auto. Ovo je poruka i za onog Makedonca!
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ado-šampion wrote: Najbolji je nov auto, ako nije zastava, lada ili dacia.

Pa zar bi neko stvarno kupio Daciu prije jednog Mercedesa? A
Zasto da ne, jer nije to Mercedes star 3 godine nego 13.

Ima ljudi koji ne znaju popraviti auto i hoce novo pouzdano auto u koje nemaju sta ulagati nego samo nasuti gorivo i voziti, a Mercedes koji kosta 15.000 KM to ne garantuje ni u kom slucaju.
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Ova Dacia je skroz pristojan automobil, ne znam u cemu je problem. Bar prema najavama, treba vidjeti i prve testove da se skonta nesto vise. Izgleda lijepo i ja bi je uzeo definitivno prije nekog Mercedesa 190 iz 90-e...
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ado nemoj biti ogranicen. ne moze punoljetna mecka biti isplativija od nove lade, da ga jebes.

zaboravio si na cijenu dijelova. jer cak i za polovnu mecku dijelovi su novi... :D
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#43

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YESSSSSSSSSS :D Evo ga prvi drive-test na engleskom :-D

Drive test Dacia Logan 1,6l Ambition

Dan Vardie, Capadoccia, Turkey
10 Septembrie 2004


Renault choose Turkey as a display scene for first international tests. The Romanian motoring press felt offended by the Frenchmen choice. Dl. Luc Alexandre Menard, Dacia Chairman and Vice-president of Renault, in charge with international operational management explains that Renault wants to tell the world that Dacia is an international brand. Besides, the logistics for such an operation in Romania, was not at the French manufacturer standards. We drove the new Logan on Capadoccia roads and we cannot say that we discovered something new. Maybe as a compensation, the French manufacturer decided that Romanian motoring group will be the first that will drove a Logan and that’s not something to take likely.

Millions of Romanians are curios to know more about this new car. The best answer will be: it’s no surprise! It’s just what you have been expected! A basic vehicle, without any special ambitions, hopes to succeed not through performance, but price. The manufacturer gave to Logan, decent values that will be most appreciated by a middle class man. It’s a comfortable car which embodies the Romanian car dream: a car that can get over any obstacles encounter by the driver. Due to a higher ground clearance with almost 2 centimeters, comparing with other cars designed for Western Europe-155 cm, Logan will take you anywhere, in any circumstances, at mountain or sea. And does that, with five passengers on board with their luggage. At the presentation, Dacia representatives underlined the spacious interior, always comparing with cars from upper classes. The rear passengers knee space –a critical feature for a four or five passengers model- is bigger then at Peugeot 607 and the rear passengers width room is at wide as at Renault Velsatis. Disregarding the manufacturer strong desire to prove that is a obvious feature, the fact is that has a really generous space even with the tall ones. In the back, there is enough space even for the fatty ones so three average passengers would travel most comfortable. We drove a Logan Ambition- 8000 euros with adjustable driver seat, two frontal airbags, Bosch ABS latest generation, taken from Megane II. But we haven’t found how to ajust the steering wheel. Dacia’s representatives motivated this absence by cutting cost.

Otherwise, cost cutting is a main priority at Logan. We have a one piece dashboard, from a modest, low cost material. They took elements from Clio, dashboard clusters, electrical rear windows command buttons. The trunk floor is covered with a “foam” material, that covers the spare tire. The trunk lid is lifted by two simple springs, as we haven’t seen for a while. The bench is not foldable, and other extra features : heated seat , side bags, no way! The manufacturer presented us a crash test made by Renault at UTAC during homologations, insisting that we will have an untouched interior. Although admits that they don’t want, more than there stars. But admits that after Euro tests will gather no more then 3 stars. So, we have to say, even if Renault wouldn’t like, this is under their own pretensions, because Renault is seen as a five stars company, regarding that Modus was award also with 5 stars. When you drive it, if you don’t know what you are driving, you might be disappointed. In curves, you feel like you are driving a boat. Ms. Francois Fourmont explained that the suspension is a compromise for Logan. For a better road handling, without roll movement, we should have five passengers on board plus their luggage. We were only two of us, no luggage and the car was one with the tarmac, rolling like a train. Has a tendency to over steer in tight curves and can become a very interesting experience for the ones who knows how to handle it. Technically speaking, suspension travel is bigger than they stated and the axle are taken from Renault Nissan B platform-in my opinion too simplified, for cost reasons. The anti roll front bar is available only for top version that we drove, but the specialists insist that the car’s dynamical performances doesn’t modify at the versions without ABS. Anyway, Logan –regardless of version, no ESP, Brake Assist, Traction Control or any other assistance systems.

From a sporty driver’s point of view, the 90 HP engine and 128 Nm is not such a fine combination with a 5 speeds gear box. The engine is a little bit soft, but until 120km/h you will not encounter any problem, but over this speed is hard to get performance. In order to “trick” it, we shift to the forth speed and gain more speed. The manufacturer explained that 4 and 5 speed were designed to a lower fuel consumption. The official medium fuel consumption is 7,2l/100km. The board computer –some electronic gadgets do exist- showed that we consumed 9,2l/100km, when we drove only on long roads, traffic free. It’s true that with the manual air conditioner on, and some off road “escapades”. But all cars are in tests, so is quit alright to “eat” so much.

Even with the most powerful engine available at the new Logan is not a car that can please everyone. It’s more a model designed for common people- the majority- which desire a safe vehicle, meant to take him from A to B point. There are people who don’t need extreme sensations and can live happy without beneficiating of the latest technologies. Logan doesn’t want to be something that is not, is a average car for anyone with some pretensions. But it will be a dream car for the ones who only dreamed about. If you want, it’s a real social project. At the hotel where we stayed, behind a parked a Jaguar X Type were two Logans. Unavoidable, we, the Romanian press group, we made some naughty commentaries that you can easily guess. But what you pay for a Jaguar, you can buy three Logans and remain with spare money. Of course, our comparison is too much! But for many Romanians – and for other many million people for all around the world- this comparison makes sense.

Technology and dynamics
Even if goes from B platform, Logan is no technological breakthrough and neither has a dynamic behavior but doesn’t want to. Is comfortable on long roads and can overpass any obstacles that might encounter.

Purchasing and handling
The model strong point. The top version, although too expensive –in our opinion, remains the most competitive offer, but not the cheapest. Dacia promises low service prices and a great reliability. The consumes are almost ok.
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Samo da dodam , ja jos nisam kupio Logan i nisam konacno odlucio ali sve mi se cini da sam veoma blizu. Potreban mi je novi auto, jos uvek vozim ficu 83 godiste :oops: i znam sta znaci staro.

Ovo izgleda sasvim ok za 4 clanu familiju bez posebnih zahteva. Ajde kazite koji novi auto nudi toliko prostora ( 5 osoba + 511l prtljaznik :shock: ) za te pare. Sve sto se nudi je daleko manje prostorno, i daleko skuplje od Logana, ne treba mi jos jedan fica, para nemam za Fokus, Partner, Megan.
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ti se dvoumis jarane ,opet ces za te pare kupit bmw 3 iz 94.il si i ti iz bunjo doo.
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#46

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a uz to jebo ja novo auto koje se prodaje u avazovim oglasima.mislim, halo malo marketing.
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Ja ograničen :lol: ! Pa Vi ste ograničeni kad tako razmišljate. Jebote i Renault i Dacia i jedno i drugo je kita! Sad ko Renault neka ku...va marka, pa oni ugradili motore koje su u svoje automobile ugrađivali prije 10 godina u neku Daciu i sad ta Dacia auto! I kakve su to gluposti "by Renault"? Jebote Renault ispade sad najbolje auto na svijetu. Zamisli da je neko stavio "by Mercedes". Po takvom načinu razmišljanja to auto bi vozila čitava Evropa, ma koliko on loš bio! To "by Renault" Vam ne garantuje ništa, Renaultovi motori (i ovi napredniji) su nepoudani. :x
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#48

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Uhhhh ado stvarno si sampion, ubedio si me Mercedes je bolji i od Dacie i od Renaulta. Kupujem Mercedes samo da mi ado pozajmi nesto eurica da dodam na ono sto imam. Ado sam izracunaj koliko mi treba za Mercedes umesto Dacie.
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ado-šampion wrote:To "by Renault" Vam ne garantuje ništa, Renaultovi motori (i ovi napredniji) su nepoudani. :x
Vozio sam "nepouzdan" Renaultov motor od 72 do 97 god. Renault 12 TL 1280 cm/ 62 ks. Znas sta se dogodilo , raspala se karoserija a motor 250 000 bez remonta i mogao je da gura tako jos dosta. Nije mi se isplatilo da krpim to i vozim i dalje. Pocele su kocnice da otkazuju, ma raspalo se sve osim motora.
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#50

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zar vi mislite da je 250.000 neka cifra za motor koji je pravljen za laganu voznju, 1,3 nije sigurno pravljen da se sa njim trkas nego da ides od tacke a do tacke b.
ja sam se na moju nesrecu uvjerio u izdrzljivost renaultovih motora, i jos uvijek se uvjeravam. jedva cekam da ga prodam ako budem mogao.
imam lagunu 2.0 iz 96, lijepa i udobna ali motor je kanta. trosi 10 l na otvorenoj i to pazljive voznje, kao da je motor sa sest ili osam cilindara je... :shock: . hladan trese, kad upalim klimu hoce se ugasiti motor itd
prije lagune sam vozao kadetta 86 i prodao ga sa predjenih 250.000 km malo zasce voznje. ja sam ga uvezao sa 144.000, mozda je i vracena kilometraza ko zna, pa je i vise presao.
covjek ga voza jos uvijek i prezadovoljan je.
sto se tice renaulta, daleko im kuca od moje :x
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