oteo si mi rijec iz usta, taman podjo gor upisat, lako je svabi distancirat se kad ih je rujo discipliniro i utjero starah u kosti,sta rade od 45te nego se distancirajusalik79 wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:43Nije slika, pritisni na play, ide uzivo. Nevjerovatno je da "mulanski rezim" uspjeva natjerati milione ljudi na komemoraciju i dzenazu. Bas su im utjerali strah u kosti.sumirprimus wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:28 ko neki deja vu, salik ovu si sliku vec postavljo mescini jutros???![]()
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IRAN
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#24652 Re: IRAN
King Theoden wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:43Gledaj ovo, jbtkad ovakav tekst osvane na državnom mediju, onda to ne znači ništa drugo nego da se njemačka u potpunosti distancira od američke politike.
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Amin ja Rabb!
Takodjer, od 19. minute:
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#24655 Re: IRAN
Pravimo se mrtvi
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#24656 Re: IRAN
To sto sada vidis je nakon predjenih kilometara i kilometara. Mozes vuci i nazad, da steknes dojam o kolikoj masi je rijec.sumirprimus wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:46nu ima i plaj![]()
nista licno protiv ove,generalno ne volim dzenaze.
vidim more svijeta, znaci da je kod njih bio velka licnost.
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#24657 Re: IRAN

cekamo pecat za raketne vize kazu i to je to
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#24660 Re: IRAN
Ne spilamo svi njemacki ba...daj na eng.King Theoden wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:43 Gledaj ovo, jbtkad ovakav tekst osvane na državnom mediju, onda to ne znači ništa drugo nego da se njemačka u potpunosti distancira od američke politike.
https://www.tagesschau.de/kommentar/tru ... 1~amp.html
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#24661 Re: IRAN
I tako se ispostavilo tačno ono što su mnogi sumnjali. Trump, idiot kakav jeste, je naredio napad na generala vođen čistim impulsom a ne racionalnim razmišljanjem. Izvori bliski NYT govore da ubijeni general uopšte nije planirao nikakve napade glomazne veličine kao što dva Majka govore, generalova posjeta Siriji i Iraku su bile obične kakve je i prije radio, bio je to obični monday as ussual. Trump je naredio napad nakon što je ugledao slike sa američke ambasade u Bagdadu, bez konsultacija sa svojim generalima koji su bili zapanjeni ovom odlukom.
I tako, zbog Trumpovog babijanskog impusla, svijet stoji pred raljama trećeg svjetskog rata. Ovi što govore Amerika blabla neka znaju da ovo nije Amerika, ovo je skup idiotskih muškaraca sa dječijim poimanjem svijet koji u svojim rukama imaju kontrolu najjačeg oružja koje je svijet ikad imao.
Moliti sve Bogove svijeta da ne dobiju drugi mandat.
I tako, zbog Trumpovog babijanskog impusla, svijet stoji pred raljama trećeg svjetskog rata. Ovi što govore Amerika blabla neka znaju da ovo nije Amerika, ovo je skup idiotskih muškaraca sa dječijim poimanjem svijet koji u svojim rukama imaju kontrolu najjačeg oružja koje je svijet ikad imao.
Moliti sve Bogove svijeta da ne dobiju drugi mandat.
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#24662 Re: IRAN
Trump's dealings with Iran
The end of credibility
With its military strike, the United States plunged an entire region deep into the crisis and nevertheless claim that the world has therefore become safer. It has nothing to do with politics anymore.
A commentary by Torsten Teichmann, ARD Studio Washington
The Iraqi parliament is demanding the withdrawal of all 5,200 US soldiers stationed in the country to fight the so-called Islamic State. From Baghdad there are reports of rocket attacks on military bases. The United States has to face a threat of retaliation and sends thousands of additional soldiers to military bases in the region, for example to Kuwait. And yet US Secretary of State Pompeo claims the world is safer than it was a few days ago after the targeted killing of the Iranian Al Quds brigade, Soleimani, by the United States.
Given the crisis, the Trump administration is digging deeper. Here, US President Trump dominates the battle for the headlines: if Iran's leadership threatens retaliation against 35 possible American targets, Trump will text over 52 targets with interest for Iran that the US military has targeted. It is becoming increasingly difficult to speak of politics at all.
But the crisis in the United States and thus the West as a whole in the Middle East does not begin with Donald Trump. Loss of credibility in recent history is due to the invasion of Iraq under President George W. Bush. The justification that Iraqi ruler Saddam Hussein at the time had weapons of mass destruction was a lie. When the administration felt caught, it was argued that the world would be much safer without Saddam Hussein. Seems familiar.
Looking back, it was the United States that had supported Saddam's dictatorship in Iraq and its oppression and violence for years. For the people of Iraq who suffered, the fall of the dictatorship was of course a liberation. On the other hand, the survivors of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, whose relatives fell victim to a wave of terrorism against the American occupation following the 2003 US invasion, find the words from Washington to be pure cynicism.
The Trump administration is similarly ruthless: it was a mistake to completely abandon the nuclear agreement with Iran as a security structure instead of continuing to negotiate on the basis of the treaty with Iran. Even the harshest critics of the agreement had spoken out to supplement the contract. The hardliners and ideologues prevailed in Washington. And that strengthened the military, strategists and masterminds like Kassem Soleimani in Iran, who are campaigning for greater Iranian influence in the region.
Iran has reacted to economic sanctions and the so-called US policy of maximum pressure by escalating regional crises: in the Persian Gulf, in Saudi Arabia, in Iraq. Tehran decided when and where to attack the US military or U.S. allies' facilities. They demonstrated Trump. An American was killed in an attack on a military base in Iraq. The protest in front of the US embassy in Baghdad was perceived as a further insult in the United States. The US administration wanted to get out of the situation at short notice.
But a tactical decision like an assassination doesn't replace a political strategy. It would be important in Washington and Tehran to recognize that the military and pressure alone cannot replace a political solution. The parties to the conflict urgently need a way out of the confrontation.
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#24663 Re: IRAN
Naravno na ivici smo 3. sv rata. Jer ako ko takne Iran bratska Rusija ce u nuklearni rat odmah.... afskrozPoint. wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:51 I tako se ispostavilo tačno ono što su mnogi sumnjali. Trump, idiot kakav jeste, je naredio napad na generala vođen čistim impulsom a ne racionalnim razmišljanjem. Izvori bliski NYT govore da ubijeni general uopšte nije planirao nikakve napade glomazne veličine kao što dva Majka govore, generalova posjeta Siriji i Iraku su bile obične kakve je i prije radio, bio je to obični monday as ussual. Trump je naredio napad nakon što je ugledao slike sa američke ambasade u Bagdadu, bez konsultacija sa svojim generalima koji su bili zapanjeni ovom odlukom.
I tako, zbog Trumpovog babijanskog impusla, svijet stoji pred raljama trećeg svjetskog rata. Ovi što govore Amerika blabla neka znaju da ovo nije Amerika, ovo je skup idiotskih muškaraca sa dječijim poimanjem svijet koji u svojim rukama imaju kontrolu najjačeg oružja koje je svijet ikad imao.
Moliti sve Bogove svijeta da ne dobiju drugi mandat.
Ovo je trumpu doslo jos kao kec na desetku jer su ultra ljevicari u demokratama skocili odma da pjene. Time je Trump dobio jos neporedjeljenih glasaca
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#24664 Re: IRAN
Evo njemački Spiegel prenosi uživo.
Govori o milionima ljudi koji su na ulicama.
https://m.spiegel.de/video/livestream-b ... 31451.html
Priča da su lagali i petljali još od sadama, i tak.
Jedan djelić:
But the crisis in the United States and thus the West as a whole in the Middle East does not begin with Donald Trump. Loss of credibility in recent history is due to the invasion of Iraq under President George W. Bush. The justification that Iraqi ruler Saddam Hussein at the time had weapons of mass destruction was a lie. When the administration felt caught, it was argued that the world would be much safer without Saddam Hussein. Seems familiar.
Looking back, it was the United States that had supported Saddam's dictatorship in Iraq and its oppression and violence for years. For the people of Iraq who suffered, the fall of the dictatorship was of course a liberation. On the other hand, the survivors of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, whose relatives fell victim to a wave of terrorism against the American occupation following the 2003 US invasion, find the words from Washington to be pure cynicism.
Govori o milionima ljudi koji su na ulicama.
https://m.spiegel.de/video/livestream-b ... 31451.html
Nikad nisam ni čuo ni pročitao da je neki njemački, a pogotovo ne državni medij na ovakav način kritikovao i na najoštriji mogući način osudio ameriku.
Priča da su lagali i petljali još od sadama, i tak.
Jedan djelić:
But the crisis in the United States and thus the West as a whole in the Middle East does not begin with Donald Trump. Loss of credibility in recent history is due to the invasion of Iraq under President George W. Bush. The justification that Iraqi ruler Saddam Hussein at the time had weapons of mass destruction was a lie. When the administration felt caught, it was argued that the world would be much safer without Saddam Hussein. Seems familiar.
Looking back, it was the United States that had supported Saddam's dictatorship in Iraq and its oppression and violence for years. For the people of Iraq who suffered, the fall of the dictatorship was of course a liberation. On the other hand, the survivors of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, whose relatives fell victim to a wave of terrorism against the American occupation following the 2003 US invasion, find the words from Washington to be pure cynicism.
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#24665 Re: IRAN
Neradni je dan malo razumijevanja
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#24667 Re: IRAN
Nista novo kod Amera. Ista stvar je bila po pitanju Afganistana, kojega su unistili za generacije koje dolaze - njima je bilo bitno ostvariti svoju agendu:MorningStar wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:54Naravno na ivici smo 3. sv rata. Jer ako ko takne Iran bratska Rusija ce u nuklearni rat odmah.... afskrozPoint. wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:51 I tako se ispostavilo tačno ono što su mnogi sumnjali. Trump, idiot kakav jeste, je naredio napad na generala vođen čistim impulsom a ne racionalnim razmišljanjem. Izvori bliski NYT govore da ubijeni general uopšte nije planirao nikakve napade glomazne veličine kao što dva Majka govore, generalova posjeta Siriji i Iraku su bile obične kakve je i prije radio, bio je to obični monday as ussual. Trump je naredio napad nakon što je ugledao slike sa američke ambasade u Bagdadu, bez konsultacija sa svojim generalima koji su bili zapanjeni ovom odlukom.
I tako, zbog Trumpovog babijanskog impusla, svijet stoji pred raljama trećeg svjetskog rata. Ovi što govore Amerika blabla neka znaju da ovo nije Amerika, ovo je skup idiotskih muškaraca sa dječijim poimanjem svijet koji u svojim rukama imaju kontrolu najjačeg oružja koje je svijet ikad imao.
Moliti sve Bogove svijeta da ne dobiju drugi mandat.
Ovo je trumpu doslo jos kao kec na desetku jer su ultra ljevicari u demokratama skocili odma da pjene. Time je Trump dobio jos neporedjeljenih glasaca![]()
https://www.les-crises.fr/oui-la-cia-es ... rzezinski/
Le Nouvel Observateur : When the Soviets justified their intervention by saying that they intended to fight against secret US interference in Afghanistan, nobody believed them. Yet there was a background of truth. You don't regret anything today?
Zbigniew Brzezinski : Regret what? This covert operation was a great idea. It had the effect of luring the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it?
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#24668 Re: IRAN
Ne zaboravi da je prvi svjetski rat počeo zbog mrtve i beznačajne Srbije i tifusara Gavrila. Tako da nije nimalo smiješno.MorningStar wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:54Naravno na ivici smo 3. sv rata. Jer ako ko takne Iran bratska Rusija ce u nuklearni rat odmah.... afskrozPoint. wrote: ↑06/01/2020 10:51 I tako se ispostavilo tačno ono što su mnogi sumnjali. Trump, idiot kakav jeste, je naredio napad na generala vođen čistim impulsom a ne racionalnim razmišljanjem. Izvori bliski NYT govore da ubijeni general uopšte nije planirao nikakve napade glomazne veličine kao što dva Majka govore, generalova posjeta Siriji i Iraku su bile obične kakve je i prije radio, bio je to obični monday as ussual. Trump je naredio napad nakon što je ugledao slike sa američke ambasade u Bagdadu, bez konsultacija sa svojim generalima koji su bili zapanjeni ovom odlukom.
I tako, zbog Trumpovog babijanskog impusla, svijet stoji pred raljama trećeg svjetskog rata. Ovi što govore Amerika blabla neka znaju da ovo nije Amerika, ovo je skup idiotskih muškaraca sa dječijim poimanjem svijet koji u svojim rukama imaju kontrolu najjačeg oružja koje je svijet ikad imao.
Moliti sve Bogove svijeta da ne dobiju drugi mandat.
Ovo je trumpu doslo jos kao kec na desetku jer su ultra ljevicari u demokratama skocili odma da pjene. Time je Trump dobio jos neporedjeljenih glasaca![]()
I malo je bolesno helikopterom gađati na međunarodnom aerodromu generala druge zemlje sa kojom formalno nisi u ratu, da malo ljevičari među demokratama zapjene.
Trump kako je došao u Bijelu Kuću čačka i izmišlja razloge da napadne Iran. Bolestan čovjek koji ne razmišlja o posljedicama.
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#24669 Re: IRAN
Prvi svjetski rat nije poceo zbog Srbije a jos manje zbog Gavrila.Point. wrote: ↑06/01/2020 11:05
Ne zaboravi da je prvi svjetski rat počeo zbog mrtve i beznačajne Srbije i tifusara Gavrila. Tako da nije nimalo smiješno.
I malo je bolesno helikopterom gađati na međunarodnom aerodromu generala druge zemlje sa kojom formalno nisi u ratu, da malo ljevičari među demokratama zapjene.
Trump kako je došao u Bijelu Kuću čačka i izmišlja razloge da napadne Iran. Bolestan čovjek koji ne razmišlja o posljedicama.
Nije helikopter nego dron, da zemlja konstantno prijeti,njene proxy formacije raketirale americku ambasadu i baze gdje se amerikanci nalaze,jednako kao i napad na saudijska naftna postrojenja.Idu kontra interesa amerike po cijelom BI,pokusavaju da u potpunosti preuzmu kontrolu na Irakom.Oteli britanski tanker... znaci za ameriku i vise nego dovoljno razloga - a siktanje lijevo orjentisanih demokrata samo daje vecu podrsku obicnog amera trumpu - jer isti gleda Iran kao prijetnju.
Ne izmislja Trump nista, za sve vaznije dogadjaje predsjednik usa dobije objasnjenje obavjestajnih sluzbi i vojske pa mu se i ponude opcije - opcije koje vojska i te sluzbe kreiraju.. on po svom nahodjenju bira od pacifisticke do ekstremne a za svaku je dobro sve razmotreno i isplanirano prije nego mu se ponudila... ili mislis kao sto sam vec spomenuo da trump ustane ujutro i kae "ma roknite onog nervira me"
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#24670 Re: IRAN
Ma nije amerika, šta ti je
Samo reci godinu, i ja ću ti navesti primjere američkog državnog terorizma.
Utorak, 9/11? Može!
Nikada ništa više neće biti kao što je bilo prije tog dana.
To je datum kojeg nećemo i ne smijemo zaboraviti
Da, bio je to utorak kada je jedna teroristička organizacija poznata kao cia ubila demokratski izabranog predsjednika Čile-a, izvjesnog g-dina salvatora allendea.
5000 ubijenih čileanaca su bili kolaterala
Onda su ti isti ameri instalirali diktatora pinočea.
Trebam li dalje ili povlačiš to što si napisao?
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#24671 Re: IRAN
A kako ti je dosao Homeini?King Theoden wrote: ↑06/01/2020 11:17Ma nije amerika, šta ti jeniko ni ne pomišlja da je to ustvari američka politika još od kraja drugog svjetskog rata.
Samo reci godinu, i ja ću ti navesti primjere američkog državnog terorizma.
Utorak, 9/11? Može!
Nikada ništa više neće biti kao što je bilo prije tog dana.
To je datum kojeg nećemo i ne smijemo zaboraviti![]()
Da, bio je to utorak kada je jedna teroristička organizacija poznata kao cia ubila demokratski izabranog predsjednika Čile-a, izvjesnog g-dina salvatora allendea.
5000 ubijenih čileanaca su bili kolaterala
Onda su ti isti ameri instalirali diktatora pinočea.
Trebam li dalje ili povlačiš to što si napisao?
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#24672 Re: IRAN
Ubistvo Ferdinanda od strane Principa i poslije ultimatum Austrougarske Srbiji je bio okidač koji je uvukao svijet u prvi svjetski rat. Ili možda imaš alternativnu istoriju?MorningStar wrote: ↑06/01/2020 11:10Prvi svjetski rat nije poceo zbog Srbije a jos manje zbog Gavrila.Point. wrote: ↑06/01/2020 11:05
Ne zaboravi da je prvi svjetski rat počeo zbog mrtve i beznačajne Srbije i tifusara Gavrila. Tako da nije nimalo smiješno.
I malo je bolesno helikopterom gađati na međunarodnom aerodromu generala druge zemlje sa kojom formalno nisi u ratu, da malo ljevičari među demokratama zapjene.
Trump kako je došao u Bijelu Kuću čačka i izmišlja razloge da napadne Iran. Bolestan čovjek koji ne razmišlja o posljedicama.
Nije helikopter nego dron, da zemlja konstantno prijeti,njene proxy formacije raketirale americku ambasadu i baze gdje se amerikanci nalaze,jednako kao i napad na saudijska naftna postrojenja.Idu kontra interesa amerike po cijelom BI,pokusavaju da u potpunosti preuzmu kontrolu na Irakom.Oteli britanski tanker... znaci za ameriku i vise nego dovoljno razloga - a siktanje lijevo orjentisanih demokrata samo daje vecu podrsku obicnog amera trumpu - jer isti gleda Iran kao prijetnju.
Ne izmislja Trump nista, za sve vaznije dogadjaje predsjednik usa dobije objasnjenje obavjestajnih sluzbi i vojske pa mu se i ponude opcije - opcije koje vojska i te sluzbe kreiraju.. on po svom nahodjenju bira od pacifisticke do ekstremne a za svaku je dobro sve razmotreno i isplanirano prije nego mu se ponudila... ili mislis kao sto sam vec spomenuo da trump ustane ujutro i kae "ma roknite onog nervira me"![]()
I da, manje više, Trump je impulsivno naredio napad. Opšta praksa je da generali i savjetnici postave na stol pred predsjednika sve moguće opcije kao i one nerazumne, ektremne tako da druge opcije dobiju na važnosti. Opcija da se rokne Sulejman je bila na stolu već 28 decembra i Trump je odbacio tu mogućnost. Par dana poslije, nakon što je ugledao par slika iz bagdadske ambasade naredio je napad na opšte iznenađenje prisutnih. Toliko o strateškom planiranju i mozganju a šta poslije.
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#24673 Re: IRAN
Bernie Sanders
January 3 at 9:04 PM ·
I want to take a moment to address the events in Iraq and the escalating crisis in the Middle East. Yesterday, President Trump ordered the assassination of a top Iranian general, Qassem Solemani, in Iraq, along with the leader of an Iraqi militia. This is a dangerous escalation that brings us closer to another disastrous war in the Middle East, which could cost countless lives and trillions more dollars, and lead to even more deaths, more conflict, more displacement in that already highly volatile region of the world.
When I voted against the war in Iraq in 2002, I feared that it would result in greater destabilization in that country and the entire region. At the time, I warned about the deadly so-called unintended consequences of a unilateral invasion.
Today, 17 years later, that fear has unfortunately turned out to be a truth. The United States has lost some 4,500 brave men and women fighting in Iraq, tens of thousands have been wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed and trillions of dollars have been spent on that war.
The result: today we have massive unrest in that country, we have corruption in that country, we have terrible poverty in that country and now, Iraqis want American troops out.
All of that suffering. All of that death. All of those huge expenditures of money. For what?
It gives me no pleasure to tell you that, at this moment, we face a similar crossroads fraught with danger. Once again we must worry about unintended consequences and the impact of unilateral decision making.
Let me repeat a warning I gave in 2002 during the debate over the war in Iraq: “War must be the last recourse in our international relations. And as a caring nation, we must do everything we can to prevent the horrible suffering that a war will cause.”
As the former chair of the U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs, I have seen up close the pain, death, and despair caused by war.
I’ve gone to too many funerals in my own state. I’ve talked to too many mothers who have lost their kids in war. I’ve talked to too many soldiers, men and women, who have come home with PTSD, who have come home without arms and without legs.
And I know that it is rarely the children of the billionaire class who face the agony of reckless foreign policy. It is the children of working families.
Let us not forget that when Trump took office, we had a nuclear agreement with Iran, negotiated by the Obama administration along with our closest allies. Countries from all over the world came together to negotiate that agreement that put a lid on Iran’s nuclear program.
The wise course would have been to stick with that nuclear agreement, enforce its provisions, and use that diplomatic channel with Iran to address a wide range of other concerns, including their support of terrorism.
Unfortunately, Trump ignored the advice of his own security officials and listened to right-wing extremists, some of whom were exactly the same people who got us into the war in Iraq in the first place.
As we all remember, Trump promised to end endless wars. Tragically, his actions now put us on the path to another war, potentially one that could be even worse than before.
The truth as we all know is that the world today is a very dangerous place. We are seeing a movement, all across the planet, towards authoritarianism. We are seeing a growing arms race, and we are seeing nuclear weapons in the hands of unstable and hostile regimes. I believe that in the midst of all of that, the role of the United States, difficult though it may be, must be to work with the international community to end conflicts, to end the threat of war, not to promote war as Trump is doing.
This is how the true power of the United States is shown, and that is how I will use American power as president.
As I think we have seen for several years now, Trump makes decisions impulsively, without explanation, and -- in this case, as in the past -- without any Congressional consultation. I believe strongly that a key step in ending our endless wars is for the Congress to reassert its constitutional authority over matters of war.
Our Founding Fathers had it right, and they gave the responsibility of war to Congress, and that is exactly where it must be placed.
I find it incredible that at the same time as Trump is greatly expanding military spending -- and I am proud to tell you that I have voted against all of Trump’s military budgets -- at the same time he is spending billions more on the military, he is cutting back on the diplomatic capabilities of the State Department to negotiate agreements around the world. And that to my mind is a very dangerous course of action.
I have consistently opposed this dangerous path to war with Iran. But we need to do more than just stop the potential of a war. We need to firmly commit to ending the U.S. military presence in the Middle East in an orderly manner, not through a tweet, and must understand that these wars have cost us so much in blood and treasure. We must end our involvement in the Yemen war led by Saudi Arabia, which is now one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes on earth, and bring our troops home from Afghanistan.
Instead of provoking more volatility in the region, the United States must use its power, its wealth and its influence to bring the regional powers to the table to resolve conflicts.
Let me conclude by simply saying this: At a time when we have 500,000 Americans who are homeless today, including 30,000 veterans, at a time when some 87 million people are either uninsured or underinsured and 30,000 die each year because they don’t get to a doctor when they should, and at a time when we face an urgent need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, to build the housing that we desperately need and to address the existential crisis of climate change, we as a nation must get our priorities right. We must invest in the needs of the American people, not spend trillions more on endless wars.
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#24674 Re: IRAN
Ne pričam o Čileu nego o današnjem vremenu. Da je demokrata predsjednik USA ili bilo koji republikanac koji nije Trump ili u njegovom užem krugu dupeljubaca ovaj gnusni i neracionalan napad se nikad ne bi desio. Prije samo 6 godina prava Amerika je sklopila deal sa Iranom i bili su u kolilo toliko dobrim odnosima.King Theoden wrote: ↑06/01/2020 11:17Ma nije amerika, šta ti jeniko ni ne pomišlja da je to ustvari američka politika još od kraja drugog svjetskog rata.
Samo reci godinu, i ja ću ti navesti primjere američkog državnog terorizma.
Utorak, 9/11? Može!
Nikada ništa više neće biti kao što je bilo prije tog dana.
To je datum kojeg nećemo i ne smijemo zaboraviti![]()
Da, bio je to utorak kada je jedna teroristička organizacija poznata kao cia ubila demokratski izabranog predsjednika Čile-a, izvjesnog g-dina salvatora allendea.
5000 ubijenih čileanaca su bili kolaterala
Onda su ti isti ameri instalirali diktatora pinočea.
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#24675 Re: IRAN
Ubistvo Franca Ferdinanda je bio casus belli za rat koji je krenuo zbog rasporeda kolonija tj. Njemacko-Austrijske zelje za kolacem koje su vec Francuska i Britanija sebi uzele.Point. wrote: ↑06/01/2020 11:21
Ubistvo Ferdinanda od strane Principa i poslije ultimatum Austrougarske Srbiji je bio okidač koji je uvukao svijet u prvi svjetski rat. Ili možda imaš alternativnu istoriju?
I da, manje više, Trump je impulsivno naredio napad. Opšta praksa je da generali i savjetnici postave na stol pred predsjednika sve moguće opcije kao i one nerazumne, ektremne tako da druge opcije dobiju na važnosti. Opcija da se rokne Sulejman je bila na stolu već 28 decembra i Trump je odbacio tu mogućnost. Par dana poslije, nakon što je ugledao par slika iz bagdadske ambasade naredio je napad na opšte iznenađenje prisutnih. Toliko o strateškom planiranju i mozganju a šta poslije.
Opsta praksa nije da se na stol pred predsjednika stavljaju nerazumne i sve opcije nego one koje su vec isplanirane kao sto sam rekao sve sa sta ce bit ako bude.
Normalno da se odluke mijenjaju kako se i situacija mijenja... sta ocekujes danas pitaju Trumpa ocemo napast iran on kaze ne, sutra iranci roknu 5 baza i onda bi trebalo ono da bude vec sam rekao ne ??
Ne brini se ti o strateskom mozganju, ameriku ne vodi jedan covjek kako to zamisljas a cinjenica da su iz hladnog rata izasli kao pobjednici i najjaca supersila su govori mi da znaju da mozgaju i igraju strateski.
