AUTENTIČNOST vs DOGMA, (islam, Hriščanstvo, Judaizam itd.)

[Smrcak15]

[zagortenej]

Da, autor je naveo drugi dio ajeta br.24 iz sure br. 57.

Vidi se pod c) da je navedeno 141:7, nije valjda da misli na 141 suru

Čovjek piše s desna na lijevo.

[HardcoreMX]

sta da ti kazem..ne daj se Zagore..

[zagortenej]

sta da ti kazem..ne daj se Zagore..

Pusti se naprđivanja, to svako dijete zna.
Nego šta ti misliš, koja je verzija najispravnija?

[HardcoreMX]

Pusti se naprđivanja, to svako dijete zna.
Nego šta ti misliš, koja je verzija najispravnija?

kakve verzije..to je opet ispod djecijeg nivoa..ne znam sto da mislim..
ali svidja mi se rijec koju si izabrao..naprđivanje..upravo to, dakle sto kazes..

[zagortenej]

The Word of Mohammad

Muhammad is the creator of the Koran. That is what well-known Iranian reformer Abdolkarim Soroush says in his book The Expansion of the Prophetic Experience that will be published early next year. With this view, Soroush goes further than some of the most radical Muslim reformers. In an interview with Zemzem, he gives a foretaste of his book.

In The Expansion of the Prophetic Experience Soroush makes clear that his view on the fallibility of religious knowledge to a certain degree also applies to the Koran. With thinkers such as Nasr Hamid Abu Zayd and Mohammed Arkoun, Soroush belongs to a small group of radical reformers who advocate a historical approach to the Koran. In his new book, however, he goes one step further than many of his radical colleagues. He claims that the Koran is not only the product of the historical circumstances in which it emerged, but also of the mind of the Prophet Mohammed with all his human limitations. This idea, says Soroush, is not an innovation, as several medieval thinkers already hinted at it.

http://www.drsoroush.com/English/Interv ... ammad.html

[Smrcak15]

Nego šta ti misliš, koja je verzija najispravnija?

Nego šta ti misliš, koja je verzija najispravnija?

ispravnija je Hafs koji recitiraju 95% muslimana

kao sto mozes vidjeti iz izjave poslanika Muhammeda sta je ispravniije


dok Warsh 3% recitira od muslimana.

Mi muslimani imamo orginal, standard, to je Hafs recitacija koju 95% muslimana cita.

Ja to ne bi zvao verzija, nego recitacija razlicita, jer su im kosturi teksta isti nacin izgovora mijenja iz drugog u trece lice, ili iz treceg u drugo.

[Idemedosumom]

Pusti se naprđivanja, to svako dijete zna.
Nego šta ti misliš, koja je verzija najispravnija?

kakve verzije..to je opet ispod djecijeg nivoa..ne znam sto da mislim..
ali svidja mi se rijec koju si izabrao..naprđivanje..upravo to, dakle sto kazes..

Lass ihn in Ruhe, ugrožena je vrsta ovdje... Otkako su Nurudina, Towelie-a i dadinja otjerali, forum je postao dosadan. Ovako duh sa sikirom povremeno bljesne pa imamo šta čitati/gledati

[HardcoreMX]

Friede sei bei dir...se kaze postoji samo jedna podjela i najvaznija...na dobre ljude i ostale, lose ljude..supke, papke kako tko hoce...e tko je tu manjina, to je pitanje..vjera je najvise okrenuta ka podizanju ahlaka covjeka pa je tako vjernik onaj koji ga je najvise usavrsio..a smisao vjere je podici se na jednostavnost...

[MarlboroGold]

Es ist doch uberhaupt keine Uberraschung das du es so siehst... deshalb ist es manchmal sehr schwer gegenuber einem Glaubigen sich in einen guten Licht zu stellen wenn ihr von Beginn an so eine Einstellung von Atheisten und anderen habt. Eingebildet wurde ich sagen...

[Idemedosumom]

Hallo, mojne generalizirati.

Plus, kakav ti je taj Dojć brez umlaut slova

[MarlboroGold]

Hallo, mojne generalizirati.

Plus, kakav ti je taj Dojć brez umlaut slova

Nemam

Nema generalizacije... "manchmal"

[Idemedosumom]

... wenn ihr von Beginn an...

Wenn einige von euch, nicht unbedingt alle*

[Bloo]

Lasa vorba in germana

[MarlboroGold]

Lasa vorba in germana

Skol

[Bloo]

Medi šerbe

[MarlboroGold]

... wenn ihr von Beginn an...

Wenn einige von euch, nicht unbedingt alle*

Ok...

[Idemedosumom]

Medi šerbe

Treba Medi nešto za san. Valja ustat' rano...

[Diwan]

[HardcoreMX]

jaro gold marlboro, al si ga zapetljo..neces se ti najesti ako konobar ne bude sa Balkana ..normalno da je cilj vjerniku podici se na jednostavnost jer na tome stoji plemenitost, sa suprotne strane stoji naravno kompliciranje, ovdje se ne spominje, no nije tesko skontati cija bi to mogla osobina biti ako je suprostavljenja vjernickom duhu...

[Diwan]

od 14:46 priča o Akhenatenu ili ti Mojsiju

[zagortenej]

At the time of the Mu’tazilah there were 3 or 4 views about the revelation of the Qur'an.

The first view - which is the prevalent view - is that Gabriel goes up and down from the heavens and goes down to the prophet informing him of the unseen and divine teachings. The Qur'an, in this widespread view, is literally the word of God. Meaning God sent down the Qur'an to the prophet with its letters, words and meanings. It is entirely from God. Gabriel is just the postman. Just the intermediary. He simply delivers the letter from God to the prophet. Like a telephone line. It is God who is speaking both the words and meanings. The Qur'an is literally the words and meanings from God. That's the first view.

The second view is that, no, this Qur'an is not God's words. God just gave the meanings and concepts to Gabriel. These are the words of Gabriel to Muhammad. So the concepts and meanings are from God but the speech and chpice of words are from Gabriel. That's the second view and they support it on the basis that the Qur'an says: إِنَّهُ لَقَوْلُ رَسُولٍ كَرِيمٍ “Verily this is the word of a most honourable Messenger.” (81:19)

The third view says, no. They say the meanings are from God, but the speech - these words - are from Muhammad. Muhammad is the one who formed and phrased it himself. Human wording from Muhammad. For example God sent the concept of God is one, monotheism, to the prophet's heart by way of Gabriel, but it is the prophet himself who composed the words. Like when you give cloth to a tailor and he makes it into whatever garment he wants. It's plain cloth given to the tailor. The klix process of making this raw material into a gown or suit is the work of the tailor.

[Irsar]

Puno peripetija oko trivijalnosti. Ili je Kur'an istina ili nije; ako jeste, onda je manje važno koje tačno riječi su upotrijebljene da se istina predoči; ako nije, onda je više svejedno šta je to Kur'an, da li "Allahova Riječ" ili "Muhammedova riječ". Ovo ujedno vrijedi i za svaku pojedinačnu tvrdnju u Kur'anu.

[Diwan]

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ ... /Jesus.htm

[Diwan]