Problem pasa lutalica

[starii]

sutra je dan D za pse lutalice...pocinje sa radom sinteraj, pa da covjek moze normalno setati gradom..

iznad stadiona kosevo ima jedno 20 mali kucica...eto koliko nam je uspjesna sterilizacija...

[L u c i f e r]

"Civilizaciski napredak naroda mjeri se njegovim odnosom prema životinjama"

(Gandi)

A civilizacijski napredak dzukeloljubaca mjeri se njihovim odnosom prema napadima copora na ljude.

- Lucifer za jutarnji forum uzivo sa cenife -

[kakavdanakneiskustvu]

"Civilizaciski napredak naroda mjeri se njegovim odnosom prema životinjama"

(Gandi)

Aha, baš je Gandhi imao u mislima Penzionerske domove za avlijanere o trošku države Indije kad je to rekao

[jasko_ba]

Propaganda svoje radi
http://inmemoryofvucko.org/2014/09/20/s ... tion-ploy/

[vješalica]

@vjesalice trazim ti vijest gdje pise da je Vlada KS donijela izmjenu zakona ili sta vec nazovi kako hoces da se psi sklone sa ulica...citaj opasni psi. Mrsko mi je traziti pa sam odustala. Mislim da su mnogi do sad procitali tu vijest bezbroj puta.I to vazi samo za KS....a poznato je da je svaki kanton u BiH drzava za sebe :/

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Vlada nije i ne može donijeti izmjenu državnog zakona,valjda si to mogla nekad saznati,samo su donijeli odluku u kojoj isključivo se postupa po tom istom zakonu da se agresivni uklone sa ulica.
sad je druga stvar što ste vi to doživjeli kao poziv na masakr i masovno istebljenje vaših štićenika.

[vješalica]

u sarajevu je dog trust napravio cirkus od zakona. koji se nastavlja i dalje.

Dog Trust nema nikakvu moć niti ima ikakvo pravo stavljanja svoje pozicije iznad zakona. To je laž i izmišljena priča iz zlobe i neznanja i radi prikrivanja stvarnih krivaca.[/quote]


Nije tačno,upravo te organizacije se nameću ovdje sa svojim teorijama,a svaki pokušaj normalnog svijeta da riješi to na civilizovan način propada upravo radi njih.
Zašto taj dogstrust ne zagovara vječni život u svojoj zemljici iz koje su došli da propagiraju prava isključivo pasa,jer se samo sa njima bave?
Pasiji lobiji su namjerno prebacili obavezu na Općine i sve ostale da njima donesu zakon sa kojim bi oni bili zaštićeni u nehumanom postupanju i uvijek tražili novac za svoje poremećaje sakupljanja pasa.
Jer gdje će biti da su se pojedini azili otvorili,a u njima vlada totalni haos,a predstavnici istih i dalje drmaju gradom i redovno se javljaju pored svega što su uradili.

[L u c i f e r]

Propaganda svoje radi
http://inmemoryofvucko.org/2014/09/20/s ... tion-ploy/

Ponasaju se kao mala djeca koja tuzakaju mami (strancima) kako im zli ciko (gradjani) dira igracke (dzukele).

To sto lazno ocrnjuju vlastitu zemlju i odbijaju ovo malo turista, to ih vec ne zanima...

[SanskiBiser]

Propaganda svoje radi
http://inmemoryofvucko.org/2014/09/20/s ... tion-ploy/

pregledao detaljno i meni taj blog liči servisni bilten aktivista i men' to baš i nije neka propaganda jer je efekat ograničen na grupu ljudi koji dijele iste svjetonazore...

meni je propaganda ono što sam gledao na TV Sarajevo i Al Jazeera a ovo mi je VRH:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from ... e-29224773

Vidi se da je Dogs Money iza toga

[L u c i f e r]

Propaganda svoje radi
http://inmemoryofvucko.org/2014/09/20/s ... tion-ploy/

pregledao detaljno i meni taj blog liči servisni bilten aktivista i men' to baš i nije neka propaganda jer je efekat ograničen na grupu ljudi koji dijele iste svjetonazore...

meni je propaganda ono što sam gledao na TV Sarajevo i Al Jazeera a ovo mi je VRH:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from ... e-29224773

Vidi se da je Dogs Money iza toga

Nevjerovatan idiotizam.
Kazu da gradu treba jos azila i veterinarskih centara.
Kao da zivimo u Dembeliji gdje su sve ljudske potrebe zbrinute, a ne u balkanskom blatu siromastva i bijede.
Treba nama azila i besplatnih ljekarskih usluga, ali za nezaposlene i penzionere...

[kakavdanakneiskustvu]

Propaganda svoje radi
http://inmemoryofvucko.org/2014/09/20/s ... tion-ploy/

Ponasaju se kao mala djeca koja tuzakaju mami (strancima) kako im zli ciko (gradjani) dira igracke (dzukele).

To sto lazno ocrnjuju vlastitu zemlju i odbijaju ovo malo turista, to ih vec ne zanima...[/quote

Treba im jebat mater zbog toga

[kakavdanakneiskustvu]

Propaganda svoje radi
http://inmemoryofvucko.org/2014/09/20/s ... tion-ploy/

pregledao detaljno i meni taj blog liči servisni bilten aktivista i men' to baš i nije neka propaganda jer je efekat ograničen na grupu ljudi koji dijele iste svjetonazore...

meni je propaganda ono što sam gledao na TV Sarajevo i Al Jazeera a ovo mi je VRH:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from ... e-29224773

Vidi se da je Dogs Money iza toga

Nevjerovatan idiotizam.
Kazu da gradu treba jos azila i veterinarskih centara.
Kao da zivimo u Dembeliji gdje su sve ljudske potrebe zbrinute, a ne u balkanskom blatu siromastva i bijede.
Treba nama azila i besplatnih ljekarskih usluga, ali za nezaposlene i penzionere...

Upravo to,kad sve to riješimo onda možda treba ikerovima praviti azile

[SanskiBiser]

http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/about/accou ... ts2013.pdf

godišnji buđžet DogsMoney - sitnica 70 miliona funti, tj. 88 miliona €.

jbg mogu lobirati, potplaćivati, unajmljivati itd. do mile volje...i Kendi kuću kupiti

[kakavdanakneiskustvu]

http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/about/accou ... ts2013.pdf

godišnji buđžet DogsMoney - sitnica 70 miliona funti, tj. 88 miliona €.

jbg mogu lobirati, potplaćivati, unajmljivati itd. do mile volje...i Kendi kuću kupiti

Kucerinu,ali nisu oni budale,oni ce tražiti od općine da joj imanje obezbijede

[L u c i f e r]

Koji su to lihvari i hulje, djecu bunare, najstariji prevarantski fol na svijetu:

http://www.dogstrust.ie/mediacentre/pr1 ... trust.aspx

Pádraig O’Halloran, from Clonmel, having recently turned 9, decided to donate all of the money he received for his birthday to Dogs Trust, Ireland’s largest dog welfare charity, raising a total of €350.

[SanskiBiser]

Koji su to lihvari i hulje, djecu bunare, najstariji prevarantski fol na svijetu:

http://www.dogstrust.ie/mediacentre/pr1 ... trust.aspx

Pádraig O’Halloran, from Clonmel, having recently turned 9, decided to donate all of the money he received for his birthday to Dogs Trust, Ireland’s largest dog welfare charity, raising a total of €350.

al' pazi to, 350 € za 9ti rođendan

Jooj odmah mi na um padne kakav bi bio Kendin mali



Mama dala DogsMoney

[shbc]

Nakon 95 stranica, jedno je sigurno. Ovaj problem nece rijesiti ni eutanazija, ni sintori, a pogotovo ne sterilizacija.

Bivsa drzava je imala efikasan nacin borbe. Sintori su tu bili kada je populacija pasa bila mala, ukoliko bi nekim slucajem ona porasla iznad njihovih mogucnosti, problem bi rjesavali lovci. Isto se radilo sa pticama, pacovima, misevima, zoharima, mravima itd. Lovci, deratizacija i dezinsekcija.

Samo mi smo odjednom postali veliki humanitarci i emotivci pa nam sada sve smeta. Gospoda sa Balkana... Kakav paradoks.

[L u c i f e r]

Mahatma Gandhi Hoax Quote
Greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way that its animals are treated
Posted on September 13, 2013

N.B. The following text in this blog-post Mahatma Gandhi Hoax Quote Greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way that its animals are treated is Copyright © 2013 Philip Johnson.

Many people who care about the welfare and rights of animals make use of a quote attributed to Mahatma Gandhi (Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, 1869-1948).

Internet websites and blogs, popular books and magazine articles, books by professional academics (animal rights lawyers, ethicists/philosophers, theologians) all claim that Gandhi said this:

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way that its animals are treated.

I have just transcribed the above quote from Lewis Regenstein’s Replenish The Earth (New York: Crossroad, 1991, page 225). Regenstein does not offer an endnote to document where he obtained this quote from. Regenstein is not alone in doing this with regards to these words attributed to Gandhi.

Kenneth C. Balcomb III is another typical example:

I really like Sam Ridgway’s (2008) inclusion
of Mahatma Gandhi’s quote in his Historical
Perspectives piece: “The greatness of a nation and
its moral progress can be judged by the way its
animals are treated.” I would extend that to say
how its wildlife fellow beings are treated, and I
would remove any thought that we possess them
in any way. It is more that we travel with them
through time on this planet we call Earth, but I am
sure Gandhi knew that.

(Kenneth C. Balcomb, “Whales in a Changing World,” Aquatic Mammals 36 (2010): 407 [401-408]).

It comes as no surprise that following Balcomb’s suggestion I looked at Sam Ridgway’s essay “History of Veterinary medicine and marine mammals: a personal perspective” Aquatic Mammals 38:4 (2008): 471-513. Ridgway has the Gandhi quote as an epigraph statement at the start of his article BUT has no footnote/bibliographical citation as to where the Gandhi quote is to be found!

Other writers do supply a footnote but the source is always as Balcomb has done to cite it from another author, and no-one ever points directly to anything that Gandhi actually wrote.

In a series of previous posts on this blog I exposed the “hoax” of two animal friendly prayers that are attributed to the Christian Father St Basil the Great (start here for Part 1 of the 7-part series). In my posts about St Basil I exposed the poor chain of evidence: the prayers could not be found in anything St Basil wrote nor in the Liturgy of St Basil. I established in fact that the two prayers were composed in the early 20th century. I pleaded then as I do again here for animal activists of all stripes (popular and academic) to do their homework properly when it comes to quotations and the original sources of the quotes.

A good initial reason to be suspicious about the validity of the Gandhi quote revolves around the fact that just like the St Basil prayers, variant versions of the same quote exist.

One variant on the above reads:

The moral progress of a nation and its greatness should be judged by the way it treats its animals.

Another variant appears in the book What is Hinduism? The text was prepared by the editors of Hinduism Today. Here is the quote as it appears on page 309:

One can measure the greatness of a nation and its moral progress by the way it treats its animals. Cow protection to me is not mere protection of the cow. It means protection of all that lives and is helpless and weak in the world. The cow means the entire subhuman world.

I have just finished a painstaking search of all 98 volumes of the Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi that were issued in 1999 by the Publications Division of the Government of India (there are earlier collections with slightly fewer numbered volumes). The collected works contain his speeches, letters, transcriptions of even telegrams, newspaper and magazine articles, prefaces he wrote to other writer’s works and so on.

The result of my search is that there is no such quote to be found in any of the 98 volumes! The quote in What is Hinduism is partly true, namely from the second sentence onwards “Cow protection … entire subhuman world”. Gandhi did make those remarks about cow protection. However when one consults the Collected Works the first sentence about moral progress is nowhere to be seen!

Yes Gandhi did write letters and other items expressing his views on cow-protection, stray dogs, his views on vivisection, his doctrine of ahimsa (non-violence) as shown to non-human creatures, his pilgrimmage from meat-eating to vegetarianism (influenced by the secular animal rights activist Henry Salt), etc. None of his writings in the Collected Works has the above quote (in either of the three variant versions).

At the moment I am unable to say “who” is the originator of this quote or who started the ball-rolling in claiming that Gandhi said these words. It is sufficient to note that the quote is not an authentic Gandhi quote (or if it is then will someone please supply an unambiguous and verifiable source?).

This is not the place to discuss Gandhi’s views on animals as that will require another arduous task of describing and understanding what he said in context. However, it is just worth noting that many animal activists have a romanticised picture of Gandhi on animals, which simply does not gel with what the man wrote, believed and practiced. Similarly, there is a romanticised view of Hinduism being more animal-friendly than many other religious faiths.

Gandhi was committed to the doctrine of ahimsa (non-violence) but he was forced to admit that he could not be consistent in living up to it as a principle in regards to some animals. Here are a few examples (in context) of what Gandhi had to say, and his remarks cast a somewhat different light on the man that runs counter to the impressions some western writers have about him.

Is there a wolf at large? A search should be made for it. Someone should be on the watch. Now I consider it our dharma [i.e. teaching] to destroy such animals. It will be a different thing if we discover an alternative.

(Letter from Gandhi to Y. M. Parnerkar, dated August 20, 1945. See Volume 87 of Collected Works page 387. Context of the letter is about a farm that seems to be endangered by a wild wolf on the prowl).

In a piece called “The Monkey Nuisance”:

My ahimsa is my own. I am not able to accept in its entirety the doctrine of non-killing of animals. I have no feeling in me to save the lives of animals which devour or cause hurt to man … I will not feed ants, monkeys or dogs … Unlike the animal, man has been given the faculty of reason.

(See Volume 90 Collected Works page 310. The context is Gandhi speaking about feral animals or wild animals being nuisances to human habitations. Notice that Gandhi’s remarks refer to the superiority of human beings possessing reason as a defining mark of difference. While Gandhi accepted organic biological evolution, and at times also spoke of kinship with animals, he nevertheless consistently maintained a view of human superiority vis-a-vis non-human creatures. According to many animal activists Christianity is to be blamed for an “anthropocentric” view of animals. Strange to say the same critics are silent in pointing out that Gandhi held to anthropocentrist views too.)

Again, when discussing the differences between animals and humans Gandhi said in reply to a question about animal and human souls:

True, there is a difference between the souls of men and of animals. Animals live in a sort of perpetual trance; but men can wake up and become conscious of God. God says, as it were, to man, “Look up and worship Me; you are made in My image.”

These remarks of course must be situated in the context of the notion of karma and rebirth, and so the souls of animals are in a lower state of spiritual development (often being human souls from former lives now reduced to the life of an animal while the law of karma is worked out in that soul’s experience of the cycle of life, death and rebirth).

Gandhi upheld human life over animal life:

My non-violence is not merely kindness to all living creatures. The emphasis laid on the sacredness of subhuman life in Jainism is understandable. But that can never mean that one is to be kind to this life in preference to human life.

(Volume 91 Collected Works page 61).

In a series of 7 pieces called “Is This Humanity?” Gandhi addressed the difficult problem of dealing with stray dogs in India, especially those being carriers of rabies. In the 7 pieces Gandhi defended the position of killing stray dogs because of the problems associated with dogs being feral, harming humans etc. The items appear in Vol 36 Collected Works pages 389-392, 410-412, 425-429, 449-451 and 481-484; and in Volume 37 Collected Works pages 20-23 and 52-54. It might also be noted that Gandhi believed that the “answer” to the problem of stray dogs could be found not in Indian society but by looking to the West:

There is a regular science of dog-keeping which the people in the West have formulated and perfected. We should learn it from them and devise measures for the solution of our own problem.

(Vol 36 Collected Works page 412).

Years later Gandhi alluded to his 7 piece series on stray dogs in the final decade of his life and reiterated:

Humanitarian instinct demands destruction of such animals in an instantaneous and painless measure.

(Vol 92 Collected Works page 428).

[BadBoy]

Halo ba? Ne dam ni marke.
Izvolite iz svog dzepa formirati hotele i hranite ih sniclama ako hocete.
Ove sa ulica cemo potamaniti, ovako ili onako, prije ili kasnije, nek ti to bude jasno.

Samo sam čekao "civilizacijski" urlik

Kad nestane pasa na ulicama, šta je sljedeće na redu, ko?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Prvo osnovi logike i logičkog debatovanja pa se onda dalje može nastaviti normalno. Sve ostalo je bacanje prašine u oči i skretanje sa pravog problema.

[Sarcom]

Cak i ovakav nakaradni zakon bi mogao da se sprovede,ako bi vlast radila svoj posao, a i mi kojima smetaju psi bili malo angazovaniji po tom pitanju.Npr. u zakonu pise da se smiju eutanizirati agresivni i bolesni psi,ali odrediti tako da opstinski/kantonalni veterinar odreduje koji su psi za euatanaziju, a ne da DogTrust ima uticaja po tom pitanju.Ako bi se ovi pobunili kazniti ih za opstrukciju zakona i sl.Takode kaznjavati vlasnike pasa pocevsi od napustanja psa,preko nosenje brnjice,kupljenja izmeta itd.

[BadBoy]

P.S. Ajmo cukoljupci usmjerite sav taj entuzijazam, energiju i novac kojeg imate toliko na stvari koje su bitne:

Rijetke i ugrožene vrste biljaka i životinja u BiH

[kakavdanakneiskustvu]

Koji su to lihvari i hulje, djecu bunare, najstariji prevarantski fol na svijetu:

http://www.dogstrust.ie/mediacentre/pr1 ... trust.aspx

Pádraig O’Halloran, from Clonmel, having recently turned 9, decided to donate all of the money he received for his birthday to Dogs Trust, Ireland’s largest dog welfare charity, raising a total of €350.

E svašta,Bože sacuvaj

[L u c i f e r]

Every penny will help save the lives of many puppies and dogs’

Dogs Trust receives no Government funding and relies solely on the donations of the public to run the rehoming centre in Finglas, Dublin 11. Currently there are 164 dogs looking for a home.

Tolika lova, a drže u svom azilu samo 164 psa.

[O'zone]

P.S. Ajmo cukoljupci usmjerite sav taj entuzijazam, energiju i novac kojeg imate toliko na stvari koje su bitne:

Rijetke i ugrožene vrste biljaka i životinja u BiH

ili ovaj masakr da bi se dame mogle umotati u krzno

http://www.klix.ba/biznis/privreda/farm ... 40920025#9

[Seoskivaralica]

Baš bi volio da vidim neku sarajkicu kako govance od fifice dušice kupi u kesice , kod vatrice.....sa onom facom "MLJAC"....

[SanskiBiser]

Baš bi volio da vidim neku sarajkicu kako govance od fifice dušice kupi u kesice , kod vatrice.....sa onom facom "MLJAC"....

eee ima i high-tech gađžet za to, da to čak izgleda i COOOL kad se radi