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#23351 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 11:44
by no_sikiriki
Škobo Habu wrote: 03/05/2022 10:54 Evo poslastice za ovdašnje feministkinje:

https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatsk ... a-15192212
Really? Ako je ovo poslastica za feministkinje, bilo kakve, i bilo gdje, ubij me sad.
Kao sad sam ravnopravna, jer mogu istovremeno da robujem i kod kuće i na poslu? Woooow, koji napredak.
Kad naprave keks koji se zove "Domaćin i menadžer", pa može samo i Domaćin, možda i počnem jesti. :mrgreen:

#23352 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 11:47
by n+1
Valjda se Domaćica odnosi na domaći keks, a ne socioekonomski status žene. Kakve veze ima keks sa ovim drugim? :D Barem sam ja tako shvatao naziv.

#23353 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 11:50
by auspuhc
n+1 wrote: 03/05/2022 11:47 Valjda se Domaćica odnosi na domaći keks, a ne socioekonomski status žene. Kakve veze ima keks sa ovim drugim? :D Barem sam ja tako shvatao naziv.
Ovo je da se debele feministice koje najvise zderu ovaj nezdravi secer osjecaju bolje. :-D

#23354 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 11:53
by hadzinicasa
n+1 wrote: 03/05/2022 11:47 Valjda se Domaćica odnosi na domaći keks, a ne socioekonomski status žene. Kakve veze ima keks sa ovim drugim? :D Barem sam ja tako shvatao naziv.
pa s ovim su sami nazivu dali konotaciju.

#23355 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 11:54
by no_sikiriki
n+1 wrote: 03/05/2022 11:47 Valjda se Domaćica odnosi na domaći keks, a ne socioekonomski status žene. Kakve veze ima keks sa ovim drugim? :D Barem sam ja tako shvatao naziv.
Ja sam oduvijek shvatala taj naziv u kontekstu žene, domaćice, koja servira taj keks gostima, npr.

#23356 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 11:56
by hadzinicasa
no_sikiriki wrote: 03/05/2022 11:54
n+1 wrote: 03/05/2022 11:47 Valjda se Domaćica odnosi na domaći keks, a ne socioekonomski status žene. Kakve veze ima keks sa ovim drugim? :D Barem sam ja tako shvatao naziv.
Ja sam oduvijek shvatala taj naziv u kontekstu žene, domaćice, koja servira taj keks gostima, npr.
ja nisam nikad.
ja sam k'o @n+1

#23357 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 13:10
by piupiu
n+1 wrote: 03/05/2022 09:39 Ne postoje dokazi o Isusu kao povijesnoj ličnosti, što znači da ne možemo govoriti o povijesnom Isusu. O njemu možemo govoriti jedino kao religijskoj figuri iz religijskih tekstova.

Samim tim, potpuno je besmisleno reći "možda je bio historijska ličnost". Ne, možda je postojao, to svakako. Ali nije povijesna ličnost, jer ga u povijesti nema. Distinkcija je suptilna, ali važna.
Potpuno obrnuto mišljenje imam - Isusa u povijesti itekako ima - on je centralna ličnost u razvoju Zapadne civilizacije. Ako pitaš kakvog naučnika koji je usput i liberalni teolog ili konzervativni kršćanin... on će ti reći da je samo Evandjelje dokaz o njegovom postojanju. No, na stranu to. Za nekog sociologa koji proučava razvoj Zapadne civiliziacije - Isus predstavlja centralno mjesto, figuru, motivaciju... i u tom smislu je historijska ličnost.

#23358 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 14:02
by n+1
piupiu wrote: 03/05/2022 13:10
n+1 wrote: 03/05/2022 09:39 Ne postoje dokazi o Isusu kao povijesnoj ličnosti, što znači da ne možemo govoriti o povijesnom Isusu. O njemu možemo govoriti jedino kao religijskoj figuri iz religijskih tekstova.

Samim tim, potpuno je besmisleno reći "možda je bio historijska ličnost". Ne, možda je postojao, to svakako. Ali nije povijesna ličnost, jer ga u povijesti nema. Distinkcija je suptilna, ali važna.
Potpuno obrnuto mišljenje imam - Isusa u povijesti itekako ima - on je centralna ličnost u razvoju Zapadne civilizacije. Ako pitaš kakvog naučnika koji je usput i liberalni teolog ili konzervativni kršćanin... on će ti reći da je samo Evandjelje dokaz o njegovom postojanju. No, na stranu to. Za nekog sociologa koji proučava razvoj Zapadne civiliziacije - Isus predstavlja centralno mjesto, figuru, motivaciju... i u tom smislu je historijska ličnost.
Dobro, hajde da ne banaliziramo. Ako je Evanđelje dokaz o Isusovom postojanju, onda je Teogonija dokaz Zeusovog postojanja, a Vede su dokaz da postoji Višnu. To nije ozbiljna priča.

Kao što postoje naučnici koji zastupaju kreacionizam, ne sumnjam da zaista postoje i takvi koji Evanđelje smatraju dokazovom Isusovog postojanja, ali naučnik nije isto što i nauka, jer se nauka zasniva na metodu i konsenzusu naučne zajednice, a ne individualnom mišljenju bilo koga. Samim tim, naučnik koji tvrdi da je Evanđelje dokaz Isusovog postojanja bio bi u kontradikciji sa povijesnom metodologijom, kao i općeprihvaćenim stavom naučne zajednice. Pa i taj Ajnštajn, kojeg spominjemo zadnjih dana, nije bio u pravu glede Generalne teorije, sve dok naučnoj zajednici nije donio dokaz koji je pokazao da je u pravu, iako je sve vrijeme bio u pravu, ako me razumiješ. :D

Što se tiče ostatka tvog posta, kršćanski nauk je svakako važna odrednica Zapadne civilizacije, ali to opet ne znači da je Isus povijesna figura - jedino da je utjecajna figura. Po toj logici, bogovi su povijesne figure, jer je povijest čovjeka i njegova društva u dobroj mjeri određena religijskim normativima. Tako da - mani me retoričkih vratolomija. :)

#23359 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 14:28
by Sara03
Tim domaćica kao domaći keks, a ne kao žena domaćica. :)

Ovo što rade sa novom ambalažom i natpisima, neki je spoj woke kulture i konzumerizma, ali mene vjerovatno neće vidjeti. Svakako bi bila grehota, pored "žive" Laste. :sretan:

#23360 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 14:31
by dale cooper
n+1 wrote: 03/05/2022 11:47 Valjda se Domaćica odnosi na domaći keks, a ne socioekonomski status žene. Kakve veze ima keks sa ovim drugim? :D Barem sam ja tako shvatao naziv.
+1

#23361 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 14:47
by Škobo Habu
piupiu wrote: 03/05/2022 02:10

Religija nije ni pseudonauka, religija je mitološko 'znanje'. Ovo što mi imamo na Balkanu je vrlo često pseudohistorija. Što ne znači da Isus nije bio historijska ličnost.
Ako se držimo rimskih spisa, onda on nije nikakva historijska ličnost. Mislim na razdoblje njegova života. Tek se onako uzgred spominje.

Njegov mitološki lik će graditi stoljećima kasnije štovaoci njegova kulta.

#23362 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 14:56
by Hakiz
piupiu wrote: 03/05/2022 13:10
n+1 wrote: 03/05/2022 09:39 Ne postoje dokazi o Isusu kao povijesnoj ličnosti, što znači da ne možemo govoriti o povijesnom Isusu. O njemu možemo govoriti jedino kao religijskoj figuri iz religijskih tekstova.

Samim tim, potpuno je besmisleno reći "možda je bio historijska ličnost". Ne, možda je postojao, to svakako. Ali nije povijesna ličnost, jer ga u povijesti nema. Distinkcija je suptilna, ali važna.
Potpuno obrnuto mišljenje imam - Isusa u povijesti itekako ima - on je centralna ličnost u razvoju Zapadne civilizacije. Ako pitaš kakvog naučnika koji je usput i liberalni teolog ili konzervativni kršćanin... on će ti reći da je samo Evandjelje dokaz o njegovom postojanju. No, na stranu to. Za nekog sociologa koji proučava razvoj Zapadne civiliziacije - Isus predstavlja centralno mjesto, figuru, motivaciju... i u tom smislu je historijska ličnost.
Da.

Da li je postojao kao čovjek od krvi i mesa ili postoji samo u mitu i dogmi je nebitno u ocjenjivanju njegovog povijesnog značaja.

#23363 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 14:59
by dale cooper
Ono čega su se svi pribojavali da će se desiti imenovanjima Trumpa i postavljanja konzervativaca u ustavni sud SAD-a će se vrlo brzo
i vrlo vjerovatno i ostvariti. Roe v. Wade odluka koja je legalizovala abortus će biti oborena.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/leaked ... 022-05-03/
WASHINGTON, May 2 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court looks set to vote to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide, according to a leaked initial draft majority opinion published by Politico on Monday.

The unprecedented leak from the conservative-majority Supreme Court sent shock waves through the United States, not least because the court prides itself on keeping its internal deliberations secret and leaks are extremely uncommon.

Reuters was not able to confirm the authenticity of the draft. The Supreme Court and the White House declined to comment.

“Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” conservative Justice Samuel Alito wrote in the draft opinion which is dated Feb. 10, according to Politico, which posted a copy online.

Based on Alito's opinion, the court would find that the Roe v. Wade decision that allowed abortions performed before a fetus would be viable outside the womb - between 24 and 28 weeks of pregnancy - was wrongly decided because the U.S. Constitution makes no specific mention of abortion rights.

"Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each state from regulating or prohibiting abortion," Alito said, according to the leaked document.

Take a look at the world's abortion laws

The news broke a little more than six months before the mid-term elections that will determine if Democrats hold their razor-thin majorities in the U.S. Congress for the next two years of President Joe Biden's term in office.

Abortion is one of the most divisive issues in U.S. politics and has been for nearly a half century.

"This decision is a direct assault on the dignity, rights, & lives of women, not to mention decades of settled law," said former U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton. read more

"It will kill and subjugate women even as a vast majority of Americans think abortion should be legal. What an utter disgrace."

Republican Senator Tom Cotton said: "...Roe was egregiously wrong from the beginning & I pray the Court follows the Constitution & allows the states to once again protect unborn life."

Protestors react outside the U.S. Supreme Court to the leak of a draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito preparing for a majority of the court to overturn the landmark Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision later this year, in Washington, U.S., May 2, 2022. REUTERS/Moira Warburton

After an initial vote among the justices following an oral argument, one is assigned the majority opinion and writes a draft. It is then circulated among the justices.

At times, in between the initial vote and the ruling being released, the vote alignment can change. A ruling is only final when it is published by the court.

In a post on Twitter, Neal Katyal, a lawyer who regularly argues before the court, said if the report was accurate it would be "the first major leak from the Supreme Court ever."

The court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, heard oral arguments in December on Mississippi's bid to revive its ban on abortion starting at 15 weeks of pregnancy, a law blocked by lower courts. read more

It appeared based on December's oral argument that a majority was inclined to uphold Mississippi's abortion ban and that there could be five votes to overturn Roe.

The Roe v. Wade decision recognized that the right to personal privacy under the U.S. Constitution protects a woman's ability to terminate her pregnancy.

Christian conservatives and many Republican officeholders have long sought to overturn it.

The Supreme Court in a 1992 ruling called Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey reaffirmed abortion rights and prohibited laws imposing an "undue burden" on abortion access.

Mississippi asked the justices to overturn both rulings and Alito's draft opinion largely adopts the Republican state's arguments.

If Roe is overturned, abortion is likely to remain legal in liberal states. More than a dozen states currently have laws protecting abortion rights. Numerous Republican-led states have passed various abortion restrictions in defiance of the Roe precedent in recent years.

Republicans could try to enact a nationwide abortion ban, while Democrats could also seek to protect abortion rights at the national level.

Democrats said the draft opinion undermines the importance of this year's elections, in which they are seeking to maintain control of the House and Senate.

"We need to turn out the vote like we've never turned out the vote before," Democratic Representative Jamie Raskin told MSNBC. "The people need to stand up and defend democratic institutions and the rights of the people because the Supreme Court is certainly not doing anything for us."

Republican Senator Josh Hawley said, without evidence, that the leak was likely from a liberal inside the court.

"The justices mustn’t give in to this attempt to corrupt the process. Stay strong," he said in a Twitter post.
Ako treba dokaz da je feminizam još uvijek potreban i da borba još uvijek traje onda je to ovo.

#23364 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 15:08
by Hakiz
dale cooper wrote: 03/05/2022 14:59 Ono čega su se svi pribojavali da će se desiti imenovanjima Trumpa i postavljanja konzervativaca u ustavni sud SAD-a će se vrlo brzo
i vrlo vjerovatno i ostvariti. Roe v. Wade odluka koja je legalizovala abortus će biti oborena.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/leaked ... 022-05-03/
WASHINGTON, May 2 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court looks set to vote to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide, according to a leaked initial draft majority opinion published by Politico on Monday.

The unprecedented leak from the conservative-majority Supreme Court sent shock waves through the United States, not least because the court prides itself on keeping its internal deliberations secret and leaks are extremely uncommon.

Reuters was not able to confirm the authenticity of the draft. The Supreme Court and the White House declined to comment.

“Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” conservative Justice Samuel Alito wrote in the draft opinion which is dated Feb. 10, according to Politico, which posted a copy online.

Based on Alito's opinion, the court would find that the Roe v. Wade decision that allowed abortions performed before a fetus would be viable outside the womb - between 24 and 28 weeks of pregnancy - was wrongly decided because the U.S. Constitution makes no specific mention of abortion rights.

"Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each state from regulating or prohibiting abortion," Alito said, according to the leaked document.

Take a look at the world's abortion laws

The news broke a little more than six months before the mid-term elections that will determine if Democrats hold their razor-thin majorities in the U.S. Congress for the next two years of President Joe Biden's term in office.

Abortion is one of the most divisive issues in U.S. politics and has been for nearly a half century.

"This decision is a direct assault on the dignity, rights, & lives of women, not to mention decades of settled law," said former U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton. read more

"It will kill and subjugate women even as a vast majority of Americans think abortion should be legal. What an utter disgrace."

Republican Senator Tom Cotton said: "...Roe was egregiously wrong from the beginning & I pray the Court follows the Constitution & allows the states to once again protect unborn life."

Protestors react outside the U.S. Supreme Court to the leak of a draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito preparing for a majority of the court to overturn the landmark Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision later this year, in Washington, U.S., May 2, 2022. REUTERS/Moira Warburton

After an initial vote among the justices following an oral argument, one is assigned the majority opinion and writes a draft. It is then circulated among the justices.

At times, in between the initial vote and the ruling being released, the vote alignment can change. A ruling is only final when it is published by the court.

In a post on Twitter, Neal Katyal, a lawyer who regularly argues before the court, said if the report was accurate it would be "the first major leak from the Supreme Court ever."

The court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, heard oral arguments in December on Mississippi's bid to revive its ban on abortion starting at 15 weeks of pregnancy, a law blocked by lower courts. read more

It appeared based on December's oral argument that a majority was inclined to uphold Mississippi's abortion ban and that there could be five votes to overturn Roe.

The Roe v. Wade decision recognized that the right to personal privacy under the U.S. Constitution protects a woman's ability to terminate her pregnancy.

Christian conservatives and many Republican officeholders have long sought to overturn it.

The Supreme Court in a 1992 ruling called Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey reaffirmed abortion rights and prohibited laws imposing an "undue burden" on abortion access.

Mississippi asked the justices to overturn both rulings and Alito's draft opinion largely adopts the Republican state's arguments.

If Roe is overturned, abortion is likely to remain legal in liberal states. More than a dozen states currently have laws protecting abortion rights. Numerous Republican-led states have passed various abortion restrictions in defiance of the Roe precedent in recent years.

Republicans could try to enact a nationwide abortion ban, while Democrats could also seek to protect abortion rights at the national level.

Democrats said the draft opinion undermines the importance of this year's elections, in which they are seeking to maintain control of the House and Senate.

"We need to turn out the vote like we've never turned out the vote before," Democratic Representative Jamie Raskin told MSNBC. "The people need to stand up and defend democratic institutions and the rights of the people because the Supreme Court is certainly not doing anything for us."

Republican Senator Josh Hawley said, without evidence, that the leak was likely from a liberal inside the court.

"The justices mustn’t give in to this attempt to corrupt the process. Stay strong," he said in a Twitter post.
Ako treba dokaz da je feminizam još uvijek potreban i da borba još uvijek traje onda je to ovo.
Prvo da se riješi pitanje nejednakih plata, zastupljenosti u političkim funkcijama i visoko plaćenim pozicijama u korporacijama, pa će onda oko tih banalnosti.

Da ne ulazimo u to zašto bi uopšte ono šta se radi u SAD moralo nama preko bare biti primjer. Ni oni se ne obaziru na evropske vrijednosti, da i mi njima uzvratimo istom mjerom?

#23365 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 15:11
by Sara03
Oni su sui generis u svakom pogledu. Država sa najviše genijalaca i budala po kilometru kvadratnom. :|

#23366 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 15:33
by no_sikiriki
Sara03 wrote: 03/05/2022 14:28 Tim domaćica kao domaći keks, a ne kao žena domaćica. :)

Ovo što rade sa novom ambalažom i natpisima, neki je spoj woke kulture i konzumerizma, ali mene vjerovatno neće vidjeti. Svakako bi bila grehota, pored "žive" Laste. :sretan:
Pa nema tu timova. Nego ja vs. ostatak svijeta. Čak sam i muža pitala, i on je na vašem timu. :lol:

#23367 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 15:35
by Hakiz
Uvijek se iza imena krila pomisao na dobru domaćicu koja s obrazom dočekuje goste. Kakav domaći keks, kakvi bakrači...

Falsifikovanje istorije, ništa drugo :(

#23368 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 15:38
by Sara03
no_sikiriki wrote: 03/05/2022 15:33
Sara03 wrote: 03/05/2022 14:28 Tim domaćica kao domaći keks, a ne kao žena domaćica. :)

Ovo što rade sa novom ambalažom i natpisima, neki je spoj woke kulture i konzumerizma, ali mene vjerovatno neće vidjeti. Svakako bi bila grehota, pored "žive" Laste. :sretan:
Pa nema tu timova. Nego ja vs. ostatak svijeta. Čak sam i muža pitala, i on je na vašem timu. :lol:
S obzirom na trenutnu kampanju, ima vas još. :P

Hoću "domaćica i forumašica", molim lijepo. :lol:

#23369 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 15:44
by Sara03
Hakiz wrote: 03/05/2022 15:35 Uvijek se iza imena krila pomisao na dobru domaćicu koja s obrazom dočekuje goste. Kakav domaći keks, kakvi bakrači...

Falsifikovanje istorije, ništa drugo :(
Ma hajte molim vas, prava domaćica bi svakako zasukala rukave i prionula na Arbeit, da domaćinski dočeka goste. :oops: :D

#23370 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 15:50
by no_sikiriki
Sara03 wrote: 03/05/2022 15:38
no_sikiriki wrote: 03/05/2022 15:33

Pa nema tu timova. Nego ja vs. ostatak svijeta. Čak sam i muža pitala, i on je na vašem timu. :lol:
S obzirom na trenutnu kampanju, ima vas još. :P

Hoću "domaćica i forumašica", molim lijepo. :lol:
Ma hoću Domaćin. Nek on zasuče rukave. :mrgreen:

#23371 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 15:52
by Hakiz
Sara03 wrote: 03/05/2022 15:44
Hakiz wrote: 03/05/2022 15:35 Uvijek se iza imena krila pomisao na dobru domaćicu koja s obrazom dočekuje goste. Kakav domaći keks, kakvi bakrači...

Falsifikovanje istorije, ništa drugo :(
Ma hajte molim vas, prava domaćica bi svakako zasukala rukave i prionula na Arbeit, da domaćinski dočeka goste. :oops: :D
Što jest, jest :(

Onda, ove virtualne domaćice :-D

#23372 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 16:51
by saint_mirad
ako hoće da rebrendiraju keks da ugode novim woke generacijama neka uklone sasvim naziv domaćica, jer žene rođene posle 1993. ne kuvaju i ne rade domaće poslove. jedino što znaju jeste da pune svoje telefone, lažu i budu biseksualne.

#23373 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 16:52
by MarlboroGold
Ljudi su sa tom kampanjom keksa postigli da će prodaja biti još veća. To je i bio ultimativni cilj, jer se znalo kakve će biti reakcije kad je u pitanju ovo podneblje.

#23374 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 18:03
by Hakiz
MarlboroGold wrote: 03/05/2022 16:52 Ljudi su sa tom kampanjom keksa postigli da će prodaja biti još veća. To je i bio ultimativni cilj, jer se znalo kakve će biti reakcije kad je u pitanju ovo podneblje.
Angliciramo jezik polako ali sigurno. Ne samo korištenjem riječi i izraza, nego i fraza. Gore napisano je najbolji primjer. U našem jeziku se nikada nije koristila fraza ultimativni cilj.

Ultimativni cilj smo počeli koristiti kada smo počeli bukvalno prevoditi frazu ultimate goal, zaboravivši da imamo naše dobre fraze konačni cilj i krajnji cilj.

Ultimativni cilj meni izgleda rogobatno, strano našem jeziku, pogrešno. Ružno (estetski).

#23375 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 03/05/2022 18:26
by no_sikiriki
saint_mirad wrote: 03/05/2022 16:51 ako hoće da rebrendiraju keks da ugode novim woke generacijama neka uklone sasvim naziv domaćica, jer žene rođene posle 1993. ne kuvaju i ne rade domaće poslove. jedino što znaju jeste da pune svoje telefone, lažu i budu biseksualne.
:lol: :lol:
Ti si gift that keeps giving, majke mi. :thumbup: