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#2326 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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ljubav_aha wrote:
ronhill wrote:
BSn wrote:zasto su zabranjeni svila i zlato muskarcima u islamu?
http://www.n-um.com/?q=node/2888

zar muskarac sa burmom na ruci gubi "muzevan" stil :!: nije u redu ni kad se zene kao jelke okite nakitom ,znaci ne treba pretjerivati
A otkud to da burma mora biti od zlata !? :-D ja koga god znam da je ozenjen i da drzi do vjere nosi burmu od srebra a ne od zlata.
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#2327 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Mene zanima da li je brada sunnet ili vadžib ? Znam da ima nekakvih tumačenja, a isto tako znam da je došla sa imperativom( puštajte ) u vjerodostojnom hadisu.


Zamolio bih samo one koji poznaju gramatike bosanskog i arapskog jezika da ponude odgovore. Hvala
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#2328 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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beautyfool wrote:
ljubav_aha wrote:

zar muskarac sa burmom na ruci gubi "muzevan" stil :!: nije u redu ni kad se zene kao jelke okite nakitom ,znaci ne treba pretjerivati
A otkud to da burma mora biti od zlata !? :-D ja koga god znam da je ozenjen i da drzi do vjere nosi burmu od srebra a ne od zlata.
zar sam negdje napisala da "mora" :lol: isto tako mnogi imaju alergijske reakcije na srebro :D

sustina je NE-trosenje zlata za nakit ,jer se zlato koristi u ranze svrhe,a ne samo za kicenje


Gold was and is the jewellery women generally adopt as well as haughty rulers, so Islam stopped men from such inappropiate imitation and instead allowed them to wear diamonds and platinum as well as silver but no gold- in Heaven We will wear all the gold they want[/i]. The Quran isn't explicit on this but since there are 21 auhtentic hadith on this and the Quran says to follow the Prophet Muhammad then ipso facto the Quran has actually commanded this.

-eh,eto mogu dijamanti,ali ne i zlato,zar nije bolje iste dijamante koristiti u medicinske svrhe,a ne smao za puko kicenje oba pola
u raju,ce svi nositi zlato,wow :D
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#2329 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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ljubav_aha wrote:
beautyfool wrote:
ljubav_aha wrote:

zar muskarac sa burmom na ruci gubi "muzevan" stil :!: nije u redu ni kad se zene kao jelke okite nakitom ,znaci ne treba pretjerivati
A otkud to da burma mora biti od zlata !? :-D ja koga god znam da je ozenjen i da drzi do vjere nosi burmu od srebra a ne od zlata.
zar sam negdje napisala da "mora" :lol: isto tako mnogi imaju alergijske reakcije na srebro :D

sustina je NE-trosenje zlata za nakit ,jer se zlato koristi u ranze svrhe,a ne samo za kicenje


Gold was and is the jewellery women generally adopt as well as haughty rulers, so Islam stopped men from such inappropiate imitation and instead allowed them to wear diamonds and platinum as well as silver but no gold- in Heaven We will wear all the gold they want[/i]. The Quran isn't explicit on this but since there are 21 auhtentic hadith on this and the Quran says to follow the Prophet Muhammad then ipso facto the Quran has actually commanded this.

-eh,eto mogu dijamanti,ali ne i zlato,zar nije bolje iste dijamante koristiti u medicinske svrhe,a ne smao za puko kicenje oba pola
u raju,ce svi nositi zlato,wow :D
wow tumacenje ala ljubav_aha bas u svom stilu :lol:
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#2330 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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beautyfool wrote:
ljubav_aha wrote: zar sam negdje napisala da "mora" :lol: isto tako mnogi imaju alergijske reakcije na srebro :D

sustina je NE-trosenje zlata za nakit ,jer se zlato koristi u ranze svrhe,a ne samo za kicenje


Gold was and is the jewellery women generally adopt as well as haughty rulers, so Islam stopped men from such inappropiate imitation and instead allowed them to wear diamonds and platinum as well as silver but no gold- in Heaven We will wear all the gold they want[/i]. The Quran isn't explicit on this but since there are 21 auhtentic hadith on this and the Quran says to follow the Prophet Muhammad then ipso facto the Quran has actually commanded this.

-eh,eto mogu dijamanti,ali ne i zlato,zar nije bolje iste dijamante koristiti u medicinske svrhe,a ne smao za puko kicenje oba pola
u raju,ce svi nositi zlato,wow :D
wow tumacenje ala ljubav_aha bas u svom stilu :lol:
jesi li ti procitala i razumjela cijeli post,ili ocevidno jedan mali dio mog tuamcenja ,a ostalo "nije ni vazno" jer je ljubav_aha napisala "kompletno-u-svom-stilu"

hajde,molim te jos jednom dobro procitaj,hvala
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#2331 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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"pa odrediš zapad,suprotno je istok,ili sjever pa desno je istok,ali treba malo više informiranosti,bruka šta pitaš-gradivo 2 razred osnovne"

...Ja sam trazila pomoc, a ne nekoga ko ce mi govoriti da je to 2. razred osnovne.. U svakom slucaju hvala na odgovoru.
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#2332 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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suntu jeu wrote:Mene zanima da li je brada sunnet ili vadžib ? Znam da ima nekakvih tumačenja, a isto tako znam da je došla sa imperativom( puštajte ) u vjerodostojnom hadisu.


Zamolio bih samo one koji poznaju gramatike bosanskog i arapskog jezika da ponude odgovore. Hvala
Kod klasičnih alima je raspon bio od farza do vadžiba. Čačkajući po internetu da bih pokušao kvalitetnije odgovoriti, naletio sam na jedan tekst u kojem čovjek kaže da se u klasičnim knjigama nije o tome ni toliko pisalo jer dokazivati bradu nije ni bilo potrebno, jer su je ljudi masovno puštali. Među modernim alimima ima puno onih koji je čak stavljaju u mustehab ili tome slično, međutim ti alimi su uglavnom modernisti, a njima dosljedno slijeđenje sunneta nije jača praksa. U našim uvjetima, napominjem, to je moje mišljenje, dovoljno ćeš posla imati i razglabanja, ako pustiš i kratku bradu. S dužom imaš šansu i da te SIPA posjećuje. Moj prvi verbalni "sukob" oko brade (kratke) sam imao sa rođenom tetkom kojoj je brada "ružna" na što sam joj rekao da je to Poslanikov sunnet, a što joj se ne sviđa, šta ću joj ja.
Neke detalje oko hadisa, ako znaš engleski možeš naći u ovom tekstu(boldirani dio):

The Position of the Beard in Islam

By al-’Allaamah Badee’ud-Deen Shaah ar-Raashidee as-Sindee

All praise is for Allaah, Lord of the Worlds; and prayers and peace be upon the Master of the Prophets and Messengers, and his household, family and companions; whomsoever follows them with goodness until the Day of Recompense.

To Proceed:

Allaah the Mighty and Majestic has made the figure of the human being very well and pleasing. As He said, “We have certainly created the human being in the best of moulds.” [Sooratut-Teen 95:4] [1]

It is proven that man’s figure is very well and pleasing. And Allaah the Mighty and Majestic has created humans in pairs, for external distinction in both (i.e. male and female). He made the man having a beard, with which beauty and dignity augments. Such that, it is a crown of a man’s face. Hence, it is generally observed that for each and every madhhab (mode of life, religion, ideology, etc.), be it Muslim or non-Muslim, the chieftain is bearded. Such that, man naturally considers the beard to be a source of honor. [That is so] because this is a divide hue (frame: religion), in comparison to which, there is no other hue, “Our religion is the religion of Allaah. And who can give a better religion than Allaah? And we are His worshippers.” [Sooratul-Baqarah 2:138]

So long as the mentality of the Muslims was secure from the hue of the polytheists, and the Jews and the Christians and their like, both, whether man or woman, considered the beard to be an adornment and beauty for the man. Accordingly, Ibn Batootah in his travelogue entitled, Tuhfatun-Nazaar fee ’Ajaa‘ibil-Asfaar (1/17) records an occurrence which goes as follows: Shaykh Jamaalud-Deen Saawee was a very handsome person. Hence, one woman was infatuated with him, and through some type of pretense, called in to her house. After entering she had the doors closed. Then she called the Shaykh towards her for evil (fornication). The Shaykh tried his best to escape. However, when he did not find any means of escape, he first decided to go to the toilet and after entering, he took a blade and shaved his beard with it. When he came out, the woman found his face to be so hideous that she was disgusted with him. Thus he came out safe and secure, escaping evil.

Dear readers, consider this: When the mind was pure, the divine shape was liked by everyone. When the mind became impure, the good appearance appeared bad and the bad appearance appeared good. In fact, this is a mischief of shaytaan who dared to speak before Allaah the Mighty and Majestic and said, “I will surely take from among Your servants a specific portion. And I will mislead them, and I will arouse in them [sinful] desires, and I will command them so they will slit the ears of cattle, and I will command them so they will change the creation of Allaah.” [Sooratun-Nisaa‘ 4:118-119]

Meaning, the ways and means of leading astray that he directed Allaah’s servants to. Among them was that he would instruct them that they should change Allaah’s form of creation. And the Divine Commandment goes as follows, "So direct your face towards the religion, haneef (upright on the truth). Adhere to the fitrah [2] of Allaah, upon which He has created the people. No change should there be in the creation of Allaah. That is the straight religion, but most of the people do not know.” [Sooratur-Room 30:30]

Imaam of Hind, Shaah Waliyyullaah ad-Dihlawee says in Hujjatullaahil-Baalighah (1/152), “Its cutting, meaning the beard, is the way of the Magians [3], and it is the altering of Allaah’s creation.” And likewise shaving of the beard resembles oneself to the woman, about which there is a severe threat. It is narrated from Ibn ’Abbaas (radiyallaahu ’anhu) that the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) has cursed the men who imitate women and the women who imitate men. [4] And similarly, Ibn ’Abbaas’ narration is also related in Musnad Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, Tirmidhee and Ibn Maajah. It is narrated that the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “Allaah has cursed the women who imitate men and the men who imitate women.” [5]

Dear onlookers, that deed on which is the curse of Allaah and His Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) is considered a very major and perilous sin. Al-’Allaamah Ibn Hajr al-Haythamee has included it among the major sins in az-Zawaajir ’an Iqtiraafil-Kabaa‘ir. And externally, the beard is man’s specific distinction, and the absence of the beard is the woman’s specific distinction. So whoever shaves the beard certainly resembles the woman. Imaam al-Ghazzaalee says in Ihyaa’ ’Uloomud-Deen (2/257), “And with it, meaning the beard, men are distinguished from women.” So he (the man) is included in this severe threat. And the beard is the Sunnah (exemplary way) of all the Prophets. Accordingly, there is a mention of Haroon’s (’alayhis-salaatu was-salaam) beard in the Noble Qur‘aan, “O son of my mother, do not seize me by the beard or by my head.” [Soorah Ta-Ha 20:94]

Also, there is a mention of both Moosaa (’alayhis-salaatu was-salaam) and Aadam’s (’alayhis-salaatu was-salaam) beard in ad-Durrul-Manthoor (1/62). And there is also an ordered in the Qur‘aan, “Those (Prophets) are the ones to whom Allaah has guided, so take their guidance as an example.” [Sooratul-An’aam 6:90]

That is, take as an example only those deeds other than which the Sharee’ah (Divine Law) of Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) has abrogated. However, this Sharee’ah did not abrogate the ruling on the beard. Rather, it has affirmed and emphasized it. Therefore, our Supreme Guide, Master of the Prophets and Messengers, Muhammad’s (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) blessed beard filled his chest. As is related by Yazeed al-Farsee in Shamaa‘ilut-Tirmidhee, “Chapter of Seeing the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) in a Dream,’ who said, ‘Indeed, I saw the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) in a dream.’ So he said, ‘Verily, the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) used to say, “Indeed, the Shaytaan cannot imitate me, so whoever has seen me in a dream has indeed seen me.” Can you describe the person you have seen in the dream?’ I said. ‘Yes. I will describe him between the spectrum of two men. His body and flesh were moderate, complexion was brown-skinned, inclining towards whiteness, eyes were kohl-smeared, smile was pleasant, figure was beautiful and round-like, his beard reaching here to here and it filled his chest.’ So Ibn ’Abbaas said, ‘If you had seen him while awake, you could not have described him beyond that.’”

Similarly, the four well-known Caliphs, Aboo Bakr, ’Umar, ’Uthmaan and ’Alee, all had large beards. As mentioned in Tabaqaat Ibn Sa’d (3/114), Taareekhul-Khulafaa‘lis-Suyootee (p. 102, 116, 129). Also, the shaving and cutting of the beard resembles the polytheists and Magians. That is why avoiding it is definitely obligatory upon Muslims. This is so because whoever imitates a people, is included among them. As is the saying of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), “Whoever imitates a folk is but among them.” [6]

Dear readers, shaving the beard is [indeed] distinguished of oneself, meaning, making oneself defective. As Imaam Fakhrul-Andalus Ibn Hazm says in Maraatibul-Ijmaa’ (p.157), “They (the scholars of the Ummah) are in agreement that shaving the whole beard is disfiguring – not permissible. So, al-Haakim has brought in Mustadrak a narration by ’Imraan and at-Tabraanee from the hadeeth of Ibn ’Umar and Mugheerah (radiyallaahu ’anhumaa), “The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) has prohibited disfigurement.” [7]

The meaning of disfigurement is “making defective.” The disfigurement of the body is to amputate the nose and lips. And the disfigurement of the hair is to shave and depilate the hair of the cheek or to dye the hair black. As mentioned in the famous book of language and hadeeth, an-Nihaayah fee Ghareebil-Hadeeth wal-Hadeeth wal-Aathaar authored by Imaam Ibn Atheer al-Jazaree (2/294) and Majma’ Bihaaril-Anwaar authored by al-’Allaamah Muhammad Taahir Patnee, (3/289). Therefore, this is also the reason why the shaving of the beard is prohibited. Rather, there is severe warning against the disfigurement of the cheek.

In Mu’jamul-Kabeer (11/41), there is a narration by Ibn ’Abbaas (radiyallaahu ’anhu), “Indeed, the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “Whoever disfigures his hair, there is no share for him with Allaah.” Although there is a kalaam (discussion, debate) about this narration, since the real issue is proven through several evidences, quoting such narrations are useful for the purpose of targheeb wat-tarheeb (incitement and intimidation). And in the books, an-Nihaayah and Majma’ul-Bihaar the wording of this narration is, “The disfigurement of the cheeks is shaving the hair of the cheeks.” Rather, all four madhaahib (schools of jurisprudence) which are attributed to the imams: Imaam Aboo Haneefah, Imaam Maalik, Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee and many other imaams have declared the shaving of the beard unlawful. [7]

Dear onlookers, in the previous subject matter few ahaadeeth were mentioned, from which the virtue and emphasis of the beard is made evident. And its shaving and cutting is proven to be a loathsome act. These are great facts for a sensible Muslim and his admonition. After this, specifically those ahaadeeth will be mentioned by which the virtue of leaving the beard and its emphasis, and besides that the evil and harm of shaving and cutting, is known. May Allaah grant us the tawfeeq (Divine-help) to receive this admonition – aameen.

THE FIRST AND SECOND HADEETH:

From Ibn ’Umar, who said, ‘The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “Differ from the mushrikeen (polytheists), save the beards and trim the moustaches.” And in another narration, “Sharply trim the moustaches and leave the beards.” [7]

EXPLANATION: In this hadeeth, there is an order to grow and leave the beard, and the command of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) is for the purpose of obligation and mandate. As described the scholars of principles (usool) of jurisprudence. As mentioned in al-Manaar ma’a Sharhin-Noorul-Anwaar, (p. 230), at-Tawdeeh ma’a Sharhit-Talweeh, (1/132) Usoolus-Sarkhasee (p. 185), Usoolul-Bazdawee (p. 21), Sharhul-Manaar li Ibni Maalik ma’a Hawaash lir-Rahaawee wa Azmee Zaadah wabnul-Hatbee (p. 120), al-Husaamee (p. 40). And al-’Allaamah Ibn Haajim Jamaalud-Deen says in Mukhtasar Usool, “The masses of scholars said that the order in fact amounts to obligation with the masses of scholars.” And in its explanation (Tahreer’s) authored by Ameer Badshah, it says, “Al-’Allaamah Ibn Haajib Baydaawee says it is correct. Imaam Raazee says it is the truth and Aamadee and Imaamul-Haramayn of Shaafi’ee madhhab say, ‘And it is said that this was dictated by Ash’aree to his companions.’” So leaving the beard is obligatory. And its shaver and cutter is a renouncer of an obligation. And renouncer of an obligation is considered a faasiq (open-sinner). And as for he who opposes the order of the Messenger of Allaah is a very great admonishment, “So let those beware who oppose from his (the Prophet’s) order, lest fitnah (trial, tribulation) strike them or a painful punishment.” [Sooratun-Noor 24:63]

Also, it is proven by this hadeeth that cutting of the beards is the action of the mushrikeen, not the Muslims. And whoever imitates them is considered among them, as [mentioned] in the previous hadeeth. So the person who shaves the beard is a mushrik by his appearance and image.

BENEFIT: The word “awfiru” is from “awfara” which means “plenty.” So the meaning of awfiru will be grow the beard and leave it. So that the hair will become dense. As “waffaraahu tawfeeran: katharahu” (in-creased it and grew it).” [8] And in another narration is the “aafoo”which is from “a’faa.” As in the famous book of Language of Hadeeth, an-Nihaayah fee Ghareebil-Hadeeth li Ibnil-Atheer (3/366), “Chapter of ’ayn with faa,” “And that is he leaves its hair and does not cut like the moustaches from explanation of “He left the beard” when it is said “It multiplies and increases.” The meaning, “I’faa ul-lihah” is that the hair of the beard should be grown and should not be cut like the moustaches. The origin of this is from “I’faa‘ush-shay,’” meaning that thing which increased and multiplied.

Footnotes:

[1] That is, upright, symmetrical and balanced in form and nature.

[2] Fitrah (natural state, innate predisposition): It is an innate inclination of man to worship his Creator prior to the corruption of his nature by external influences (environment). Thus, Islaam is described as the Religion of fitrah – that of the inherent nature of mankind.

[3] An ancient religion that teaches the worship of fire.

[4] Related by al-Bukhaaree, (2/874).

[5] Refer to al-Jaami’us-Sagheer (2/123).

[6] Refer to al-Jaami’us-Sagheer (2/167), reference to Aboo Daawood from the hadeeth of Ibn ’Umar, and reference to at-Tabaranee al-Aswat from the hadeeth of Hudhayfah. For further explanation of its meaning refer to hadeeth (no. 1) below.

[7] Refer to al-Mishkaat (no. 38).

[8] Tarteebul-Qaamos (4/636)
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#2333 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Love_animal wrote:"pa odrediš zapad,suprotno je istok,ili sjever pa desno je istok,ali treba malo više informiranosti,bruka šta pitaš-gradivo 2 razred osnovne"

...Ja sam trazila pomoc, a ne nekoga ko ce mi govoriti da je to 2. razred osnovne.. U svakom slucaju hvala na odgovoru.
Ima načina, ali mora biti sunčan dan. U svakoj vaktiji poslije jacija-namaza ima kolona kibla-sat. U vrijeme naznačeno na kibla satu, a to je ovih dana oko pola 12 izađeš vani i okreneš se u pravcu sunca - taj pravac je kibla. Ako ti je teško odrediti ravnaš se prema sjenci, suprotno od smjera sjenke je kibla. Je li jasno, treba li pojašnjenje.
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#2334 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Nego, imam pouzdane informacije o nekim vehabijama u Sarajevu koji ne žele da izvrše ikakve terorističke napada na bilo koga i bilo što. Kome da proslijedim taj info i ima li kakva nagrada?
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#2335 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Imas u Havazu nagradu, za svaku sliku miroljubljivog vehabije 100 km :D
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#2336 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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madner wrote:Imas u Havazu nagradu, za svaku sliku miroljubljivog vehabije 100 km :D
Ma jok, kakve slike. Ljudi imaju planove o nediranju ikog, pa da vidim zanima li to SIPU, možda...il da ja zovnem Avdu Avdića?
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#2337 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Kod SIPE zoves agenta Muju Muldera, ako ne krese Dinu Scali ili ispija kahvu onda mu ostavi podatke pa se onda on time pozabavi. Samo reci da sam te ja poslao, iz agencija za toleranaciju i ravnopravnost bradonja. :D
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#2338 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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to prijavi za rubriku "vjerovali ili ne", mada poslije desavanja u zadnjih 10 godina vjerovatno bi vise bilo onih koji bi se priklonili ovoj rijeci iza ili... s kim si, s njim si.



ontopic: hvala za ponudjene odgovore. :)
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#2339 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Ima načina, ali mora biti sunčan dan. U svakoj vaktiji poslije jacija-namaza ima kolona kibla-sat. U vrijeme naznačeno na kibla satu, a to je ovih dana oko pola 12 izađeš vani i okreneš se u pravcu sunca - taj pravac je kibla. Ako ti je teško odrediti ravnaš se prema sjenci, suprotno od smjera sjenke je kibla. Je li jasno, treba li pojašnjenje.
Hvala puno.. Orjentisat ću se pomoću sjenke... Beskrajno sam Vam zahvalna! :)
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#2340 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Love_animal wrote:
Ima načina, ali mora biti sunčan dan. U svakoj vaktiji poslije jacija-namaza ima kolona kibla-sat. U vrijeme naznačeno na kibla satu, a to je ovih dana oko pola 12 izađeš vani i okreneš se u pravcu sunca - taj pravac je kibla. Ako ti je teško odrediti ravnaš se prema sjenci, suprotno od smjera sjenke je kibla. Je li jasno, treba li pojašnjenje.
Hvala puno.. Orjentisat ću se pomoću sjenke... Beskrajno sam Vam zahvalna! :)
Nema na čemu.
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#2341 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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da li je ovo stvarno po islamu....


IRANSKE vlasti su poručile da Iranka Sakineh Mohamadi-Aštiani koju je sud zbog preljuba osudio na smrt kamenovanjem, što je izazvalo burne reakcije diljem svijeta, neće biti usmrćena na ovaj okrutni način. Zasad nije poznato, hoće li 43.godišnja majka biti pomilovana ili će smrtna kazna biti izvršena vješanjem, prenosi britanski Times.

Na slučaj Iranke koja je trebala biti pogubljena kamenovanjem su reagirali Europska unija, ali i više europskih zemalja pojedinačno koje su Iran pozvale da spriječi izvršenje kazne. Mnoge javne osobe su Iranu poslale otvorena pisma.

Sakineh Mohamadi-Aštiani je u svibnju 2006. godine osuđena zbog preljuba, a tada je nad njom izvršena i kazna od 99 udaraca bičem. Tijekom izvršenja te kazne, žena je zločin priznala, ali ga je nedugo nakon toga ponovo negirala. Unatoč tome, iranski vrhovni sud je 2007 godine ženi potvrdio stravičnu smrtnu kaznu kamenovanjem.
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#2342 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Za one koji počine preljubu, a u braku su, kazna je smrt kamenovanjem..
Oni su ubili ljudsko dostojanstvo muževa, žena i djece i po meni je kazna opravdana..
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#2343 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Sredni vijek na kalendaru, srednji vijek u glavama (evo, pogledas samo ova post iznad mog)... jest jednako - srednji vijek kao domet.


Zato i ne cudi.... slovom i brojem - milijarda i po'.... a efekat koji postizu (mislim na pozitivna kretanja u svijetu, te njegovo mijenjanje nabolje) - kao onih stotinjak hiljada Eskima... Nula bodova.

Ja se i dalje nadam da ce do neke reforme doci, jer je ovo postalo jadno, smijesno, zalosno i suludo, sve u isto vrijeme.
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#2344 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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inace stvar je do covjeka sta mu je bitinije, imati N8 sa 12mp u dzepu ili pustiti zenu da se kre.. :-D
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#2345 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Po Islamu je kazna za preljubu takva, medjutim po meni je problem kako se tako lahko dokaze ucinjena preljuba? Potrebna su 4 pouzdana svjedoka koja su vidjela sami cin ili da osoba sama prizna bez ikakve prisile.
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#2346 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Static-X wrote:inace stvar je do covjeka sta mu je bitinije, imati N8 sa 12mp u dzepu ili pustiti zenu da se kre.. :-D
Zena koja je namjerila da se kresne, sresnuce se sa ili bez tvog N8 sa 12 mp u dzepu... Medjutim, civilizovan svijet za to ima civilizovane odgovore, jer za svaku pojavu postoji i ustanove, i nacini pomocu kojih se iznalazi solucija, i aparati pomocu kojih se ovakvi ili onakvi sankcionisu, dovedu u red, a da se od toga ne pravi cirkus i da se ne poseze za nesto sto je bilo praksa prije nekoliko hiljada godina (sad se svako moze praviti budala, ali eto, i na tom banalnom primjeru N8 i njegove 12 mp kamere, mozes uociti, da ce se, nakon odredjenog vremena, pojaviti nesto bolje, jace i korisnije...) .... s druge strane... nekima je lakse kamen u ruke i ozezi... jebes specijalizovane institucije, jebes kalendar i ono do cega smo dosli... lakse je zakamenjat, pa makar i djeca to morala da gledaju... :)


A da je stvar do covjeka...naravno da jeste... zato valjda toliki milioni emigranta i bjezi iz tih zemalja, u kojima se i danas zivi kao prije 2000 godina.... :-D

Sve ostala prica je suvisna, pateticna i smijesna... :-D
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#2347 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Chisum wrote:
A da je stvar do covjeka...naravno da jeste...
Sve ostalo je suvisno...
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#2348 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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udrch wrote:Za one koji počine preljubu, a u braku su, kazna je smrt kamenovanjem..
Oni su ubili ljudsko dostojanstvo muževa, žena i djece i po meni je kazna opravdana..

eh,steta,sto ne zivis u eri tamnog doba :D
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#2349 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Ali_G wrote:Po Islamu je kazna za preljubu takva, medjutim po meni je problem kako se tako lahko dokaze ucinjena preljuba? Potrebna su 4 pouzdana svjedoka koja su vidjela sami cin ili da osoba sama prizna bez ikakve prisile.

kamenovanje nije samo prakticirano u Islamu :!:
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#2350 Re: Par pitanja za one koji poznaju islam

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Ali_G wrote:Po Islamu je kazna za preljubu takva, medjutim po meni je problem kako se tako lahko dokaze ucinjena preljuba? Potrebna su 4 pouzdana svjedoka koja su vidjela sami cin ili da osoba sama prizna bez ikakve prisile.
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