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#2326 Re: Republika Turska

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Izvana pilotiran puč je "korištenje sile protiv političke nazavisnosti jedne zemlje". To je ZABRANJENO temeljnim međunarodnim ugovorima, to je ZABRANJENO pomenutim Memorandumom. Zabranjenu stvar su uradili oni koji su tako stvorili pravni vakuum i omogućili drugo, izvedeno i posljedično kršenje međunarodnog prava i pomenutog ugovora (promjena granica).

Ovo je tako a ti sviraj ***** do zore.
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#2328 Re: Republika Turska

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Challenger__ wrote:Izvana pilotiran puč je "korištenje sile protiv političke nazavisnosti jedne zemlje". To je ZABRANJENO temeljnim međunarodnim ugovorima, to je ZABRANJENO pomenutim Memorandumom. Zabranjenu stvar su uradili oni koji su tako stvorili pravni vakuum i omogućili drugo, izvedeno i posljedično kršenje međunarodnog prava i pomenutog ugovora (promjena granica).

Ovo je tako a ti sviraj ***** do zore.
Sve i da je to tacno,nema vece gluposti od pravdanja jednog zla drugim zlom.
Medjutim,to je daleko od toga da je tacno.Kao prvo,pucisti nisu koristili silu protiv politicke nezavisnosti zemlje nego protiv predsjednika koji je zemlji htio uskratiti upravo to-obecanu politicku nezavisnost i to upravo od Rusije time sto bi se zemlja okrenula evroatlantskim integracijama.Kao drugo,to da je puc izvana pilotiran nije nikada dokazano a da nije imao podrsku medju narodom je demantovano kasnijim dogadjajima kao i odrzanim izborima.

Ne znam zasto uopste i raspravljam sa nekim ko krsenje povelje UN-a pravda nizerazrednim diplomatskim dogovorom za koji cak ne moze dokazati ni da je prekrsen sa ukrajinske strane a istovremeno se poziva na istu UN kada je Irak u pitanju. :-)
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#2329 Re: Republika Turska

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Co0l wrote:Sve i da je to tacno,nema vece gluposti od pravdanja jednog zla drugim zlom.
:lol:

Ko pravda? Pravda samo onaj koji ignoriše uzročno-posljedični lanac za događaje kojima smo bili svjedoci. Pravda onaj koji priča o posljedici a ne govori o uzroku. Pravda samo onaj koji ignoriše hronologiju zločina: Bezakonje prvo prethodilo bezakonju drugom.

Pametnom dosta a licemjeru kriiiiiiiiiiiiiiivoooooooooooo.

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Zabrana upotrebe sile protiv političke nezavisnosti nije samo sadržaj Memoranduma nego svih temeljnih međunarodnih ugovora. To su USA prekršile po hiljaditi put. Samo su se u ovom slučaju preračunale.
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#2330 Re: Republika Turska

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Co0l wrote:Sve i da je to tacno,nema vece gluposti od pravdanja jednog zla drugim zlom.
Ko pravda? Pravda samo onaj koji ignoriše uzročno-posljedični lanac za događaje kojima smo bili svjedoci. Pravda onaj koji priča o posljedici a ne govori o uzroku. Zlo pravda samo onaj koji ignoriše hronologiju zločina: Bezakonje prvo prethodilo bezakonju drugom.

Pametnom dosta a licemjeru kriiiiiiiiiiiiiiivoooooooooooo.
Mani se demagogije,ti pravdas.A uzrocno-posljedicni lanac,na koji se pozivas,ne samo da nisi dokazao,nego si dokazao upravo suprotno.
Neko ko u krsenju nizerazrednog diplomatskog dogovora,koji, uzgred budi receno, Ukrajina nije ni prekrsila,vidi logican slijed dogadjaja i opravdanje za takvo monstruozno krsenje Povelje UN u vidu aneksije Krima,je sve samo ne pametan.

Ruski pijun je pokusao da sprijeci politicku nezavisnost Ukrajine sprjecavajuci evroatlantske integracije.USA sa tim nema nista.
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Povelja UN zabranjuje upotrebu sile protiv političke nezavisnosti jedne zemlje, podjednako kao promjenu granica. USA su uradile prvo, a Rusija drugo. A sad ti nastavi vazti do zore.
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#2332 Re: Republika Turska

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Challenger__ wrote:Povelja UN zabranjuje upotrebu sile protiv političke nezavisnosti jedne zemlje, podjednako kao promjenu granica. A sad ti nastavi vazti do zore.
Tako je,jos jedna stvar koja se Rusima u slucaju Ukrajine moze staviti na dusu.Jer svrgavanje predsjednika to nije bilo.
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#2333 Re: Republika Turska

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Znam ja da si ti zatucan, zlonamjeran i limitiran, nema potrebe da to dokazuješ.

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#2334 Re: Republika Turska

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Challenger__ wrote:Znam ja da si ti zatucan, zlonamjeran i limitiran, nema potrebe da to dokazuješ.

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#2335 Re: Republika Turska

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Nije mi namjera da vrijeđam. Tri puta ponavljam da "korištenje sile protiv političke nazavisnosti jedne zemlje" nije samo ad hoc sadržaj Memoranduma, nego normativ, standard svih međunarodnih dokumanata uključujući i Povelju UN. A ti tri puta to ignorišeš i taj postulat svodiš na nivo nižerazrednog, maltene neobavezujučeg pravila. Ne. Sa i bez Memoranduma to je ZABRANJENO.

Istina, to se ignorisalo hiljadu puta, pučiralo se na sve strane svijeta, ali Ukrajina i okruženje nisu Čile u kome se može ponoviti scenario Aljendea a da to ne izazove unutrašnje i vanjske reakcije bile one ispravne ili ne, sviđale se nekom ili ne.

Jedan protivpravni akt (iz vana, USA-pilotiran puč) izazvao je drugi protivpravan akt (secesija Krima) i to je sva priča.

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#2337 Re: Republika Turska

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sta bi? jel erdogan dao ostavku?
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#2338 Re: Republika Turska

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Challenger__ wrote:Nije mi namjera da vrijeđam. Tri puta ponavljam da "korištenje sile protiv političke nazavisnosti jedne zemlje" nije samo ad hoc sadržaj Memoranduma, nego normativ, standard svih međunarodnih dokumanata uključujući i Povelju UN. A ti tri puta to ignorišeš i taj postulat svodiš na nivo nižerazrednog, maltene neobavezujučeg pravila. Ne. Sa i bez Memoranduma to je ZABRANJENO.

Istina, to se ignorisalo hiljadu puta, pučiralo se na sve strane svijeta, ali Ukrajina i okruženje nisu Čile u kome se može ponoviti scenario Aljendea a da to ne izazove unutrašnje i vanjske reakcije bile one ispravne ili ne, sviđale se nekom ili ne.

Jedan protivpravni akt (iz vana, USA-pilotiran puč) izazvao je drugi protivpravan akt (secesija Krima) i to je sva priča.

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I ja tebi ponavljam,tjeranje predsjednika u ovom slucaju nije koristenje sile protiv politicke nezavisnosti zemlje nego korsitenje sile radi ocuvanja politicke nezavisnosti zemlje i nema veze sa tim o cemu pricas.
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#2339 Re: Republika Turska

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drastic wrote:sta bi? jel erdogan dao ostavku?
Evo sad ce,samo sto nije.Ceka prvo da vidi kakve ce mu sankcije uvest Putin.
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PKK u Frankfurtu, druzenje sa djecicom :D :D

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Will there be a 'Kurdish AKP' in Turkey?
Turkey’s June 7 elections marked the end of the Justice and Development Party’s (AKP) supremacy in the predominantly Kurdish southeast, where it had been the No. 1 political party since its coming to power in 2002. The rise of the pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party’s (HDP) in the region, which came at the expense of big AKP losses, has prompted the AKP to redesign Kurdish politics.

The first signal came ahead of the June 7 polls as President Recep Tayyip Erdogan blasted a 10-point road map agreed between government representatives and the HDP as part of the settlement process. He later said he did not recognize the agreement and declared that the settlement process was over.

The strong result of the HDP in the June 7 polls resulted in intensified efforts by Erdogan and the AKP to curb the party, polarize the Kurdish electorate and weaken and reshape the Kurdish political scene.

The July 20 suicide bombing in Suruc, which targeted pro-Kurdish activists, came as a watershed, marking both the escalating threat of the Islamic State and the resumption of terrorist attacks by the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The Kurdish-majority southeast has become the theater of bloodshed and destruction, and the Kurds now worry more about their security than political priorities.

Erdogan and the AKP subsequently employed a rhetoric that equated the HDP with the PKK, drew links between the HDP and terrorism and portrayed the HDP as an adversary of Islam, seeking to entice "devout Muslim Kurds" away from the party.

Deputy Prime Minister Yalcin Akdogan and other AKP officials are blaming the HDP and the PKK of abusing the settlement process; they hold the HDP responsible for the escalation of the terrorist threat, including the Oct. 10 twin suicide bombings in Ankara that claimed 102 lives. Akdogan has warned that the HDP might be eventually outlawed for its links with the PKK, seeking to create anxiety among the Kurds over the party’s future.

The AKP's efforts paid off in the Nov. 1 snap elections as the ruling party regained its parliamentary majority; the HDP lost over 911,818 votes of the total it had gained in the June 7 elections, which went largely to the AKP.

According to HDP lawmaker Altan Tan, the AKP managed to win back a third of the conservative Kurdish voters who had left the AKP and gravitated toward the HDP on June 7. “This was a warning signal, a yellow card. The walkout could continue if we fail to come up with the policies these voters desire,” Tan said in a newspaper interview after the elections.

Since the Nov. 1 polls, the AKP has intensified its efforts to permanently break the bond between conservative Kurds and the HDP, and create the popular base for an alternative Islamic Kurdish party or a “Kurdish AKP.” The AKP is targeting the conservative Kurdish electorate that Tan says remains with the HDP, and it is likely to coax the HDP’s conservative and moderate Islamist lawmakers in defecting and creating a new party for the next elections, in 2019 or earlier.

In its June 7 election campaign, the HDP used the slogan “We won’t let you become an executive president,” a reference to Erdogan’s ambitions to create a presidential system, which considerably boosted the HDP’s appeal and assisted it in passing the 10% national threshold that Turkish electoral law requires to enter parliament. After Nov. 1, however, several senior HDP members have displayed a more moderate, if not welcoming approach on the issue, saying that a presidential system similar to that of the United States or Mexico could be discussed.

Signaling an emerging rift within the party, the HDP’s Adil Zozani, for instance, said an executive presidency for Erdogan could be supported if this would mean the settlement of the Kurdish problem and freedom for jailed PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan, who is serving a life sentence on Imrali island.

The AKP’s parliamentary majority today is only 13 seats short of the majority required to change the constitution. In this context, the possibility of the AKP cajoling the HDP’s conservative lawmakers into defecting and creating a moderate Islamist Kurdish party as an AKP ally in parliament cannot be ruled out.

Recent reports of pro-AKP media and columnists have also reinforced expectations of AKP maneuvers to weaken the HDP. Yeni Safak’s editor-in-chief Ibrahim Karagul, for instance, describes the AKP’s new term in power as the “Third Golden Era,” and claims the HDP and the PKK would be now discarded as interlocutors on the Kurdish question. According to Karagul, “A merciless struggle will be waged against [PKK] terrorism, which has now devolved into an internal occupation campaign. The HDP will no longer be treated as an interlocutor. … [Ocalan] will no longer be treated as an interlocutor either. The course of action will be based on the fact that the HDP and the PKK have become the vanguards of an international war on Turkey. New parties and new representation mechanisms [for the Kurds] will perhaps be established.”

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu’s former adviser Etyen Mahcupyan also claims the HDP will be sidelined on the Kurdish question. The settlement process, he says, could be “taken out of the freezer” after new political formations and new negotiating mechanisms are created.

In another remarkable development, the head and senior members of the outlawed Socialist Party of Kurdistan (PSK) have recently returned to Turkey after 35 years in exile with a decision to “engage in legal politics.” The PSK, which rejects armed action, has a history of bad blood with the PKK. In remarks upon his arrival in Diyarbakir in mid-October, PSK Secretary-General Mesut Tek spoke in positive terms of the AKP, saying, “I don’t think the Kurdish national movement’s blind antagonism toward the AKP serves the interests of the Kurds.” He stressed they were back in Diyarbakir to engage in democratic Kurdish politics, signaling that the HDP will face a challenge also from the Kurdish left.

In sum, the AKP appears to be determined to strip the HDP of the 1,5 million devout voters that Tan estimates to remain with the party by pushing the creation of a “Kurdish AKP,” while simultaneously trying to weaken the HDP’s leftist wing via the PSK. The defection of several lawmakers from the HDP to the PSK could lay the groundwork for parliamentary representation for the PSK.

Meanwhile, a draconian security crackdown, including lengthy, round-the-clock curfews, has been underway in the predominantly Kurdish southeast since the summer. In this context, a two-pronged strategy seems to be at work: suppressing and bullying the Kurds with heavy-handed security measures on one hand, while dividing them politically through new parties and formations on the other. The ultimate goal, it seems, is to debilitate and polarize the Kurds before bringing them back to the negotiating table as a much weaker interlocutor.


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Teski dani za komunjarske kurdske separatiste u Turskoj. Razjebase im u potpunosti i proPKK stranku (HDP) i vlazne snove. Guzi padisah i ne vadi. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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#2342 Re: Republika Turska

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Turci nakon sto su samo tako zavalili pobunjenike u Siriji rusenjem onog aviona, 'ladno izvukli dupe pa se sad malo bahate u Iraku. Nakon sto su pokazali svoju nemoc da u Siriji odrade nesto konkretno u korist onih koje podrzavaju, odlucili isto to pokazati i u Iraku.

Stvarno malkice jedu go'na.
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Pale dzamije, to ce im plaho pomoci u buducnosti.
http://www.radiosarajevo.ba/novost/2093 ... -fotovideo
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Kat wrote:Pale dzamije, to ce im plaho pomoci u buducnosti.
http://www.radiosarajevo.ba/novost/2093 ... -fotovideo
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Pristalice komunisticko-teroristicke PKK su u potpunosti izgubili kompas nakon ponizenja i poraza na proslim izborima. Ocaj, bijes, fanatizam i gorcina izbijaju iz svake njihove akcije. Jednostavno nisu navikli na demokratske tokove.

AKP je vratio trecinu kurdskih glasova koje je izgubio na, kasnije ponovljenim, parlamentarnim izborima. Ukoliko zaista dodje do osnivanja proAKP kurdske stranke u Turskoj to bi bio konacan ekser u kovceg proteroristickom HDP-u.
Gube tlo pod nogama, raste im ocaj i frustracije te je sasvim za ocekivati da vidimo jos ovakvih scena u buducnosti. Nece ovo biti zadnja dzamija koju su kurdski komunisti i teroristi zapalili. Svakom ovakvom akcijom jos vise ce se udaljavati od vecine Kurda a o mirovnom procesu da i ne govorimo.
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jbg baš izgleda kao ratna zona

ali zaista nakon svega moraš biti levat da se ložiš na komunizam
ideologija je propala to se vidi :D
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Mlohavi wrote:Turci nakon sto su samo tako zavalili pobunjenike u Siriji rusenjem onog aviona, 'ladno izvukli dupe pa se sad malo bahate u Iraku. Nakon sto su pokazali svoju nemoc da u Siriji odrade nesto konkretno u korist onih koje podrzavaju, odlucili isto to pokazati i u Iraku.

Stvarno malkice jedu go'na.
Malkice?

Stavljaju govna u usta lopatom onom Sirotanovickom.

Turci se boje situacije u kojoj ce Turkmeni zavrsiti pod kurdskom vlascu i moguceg reciproteta za sve ono sto su oni Kurdima radili.
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#2347 Re: Republika Turska

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turska je trenutno zemlja sa najgorom vlašću na planeti. bez erdogana ISIS ne bi bio moguc i rat u Siriji vjerovatno ili ne bi postojao ili ne bi bio ovog intenziteta.

turci su imali naklonost amerike kao kontrateza iranu i njegovim saveznicima na bliskom istoku, ali desi li se jos koji teroristicki napad na zapadu erdogan ce postati preskup za odrzavanje pakta i morace se poraditi na njegovom svrgavanju.
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Turci lupaju PKK u Iraku, sinoc avioni danas i helikopteri u akciji. Da ih se sad hoce navuci na potpuni vojni angazman, da i Turke vidimo u akciji :oops:
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-Zestoke borbe u opstini Sur, Diyarbakır traju vec osmi dan. Turske snage koriste helikoptere, PKK borci iskopali rovove. Danas ubijen jedan pripadnik turskih snaga, drugi ranjen.
Borbe su se na navedenom podrucju odvijale cas jacim cas slabijim intenzitetom od izbora u junu 2015.
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-Bilal Erdogan, koji inace zadnjih mjesec-dva boravi u Italiji, je, kako prenose turski mediji, u izjavi za italijanske novine Corriere della Sera izjavio da u Istanbulu posjeduje pet restorana.

-Opozicija u Turskoj je trazila da se istrazi porijeklo imovine Bilala Erdogana, koji je kao student stipendista postao vlasnik nekoliko brodova (od kojih je jedan imenovao "Bosna"<3 , gradevinske firme, te lanca kozmetickih radnji). Tuzioci koji su zapoceli istragu o imovini Bilala Erdogana su smijenjeni i protiv njih je pokrenut krivicni postupak.
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#2350 Re: Republika Turska

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Nastavlja se lov na pristaše Fethullaha Gulena u Turskoj: Privedeno 18 osoba, uključujući i visoke policijske dužnosnike
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