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#226 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 17/07/2014 13:59
by Russki
Stop vakcinaciji!

#227 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 17/07/2014 14:11
by Pjanic15
Russki wrote:Stop vakcinaciji!
Bolje da si napisao "Stop zdravom razumu!", preciznije vas definiše zavjeraši. :-)

#228 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 18/07/2014 03:03
by The Realist
Autizam se manifestuje obicno u prvoj godini zivota i to bas kada se primaju odredjene vakcine, te se zato i povezuju sa istim. Ali autizam se tada krne manifestovati i kod djece koja nisu vakcinisana, ali to uglavnom ljudi ne znaju.

Ja razumijem da se treba raspravljati o rizicima koje moze nositi vakcinacija i kako smanjiti iste, ali tvrditi kako nevalja i davati argumente tipa "vakcina protiv polia je najveci uzrocnik polia u SAD-u" je stvarno dokaz koliko oni koji zagovaraju te stvari, nemaju osnovnog znanja o istome.

#229 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 20/07/2014 09:49
by Chagalj
The Realist wrote:Autizam se manifestuje obicno u prvoj godini zivota i to bas kada se primaju odredjene vakcine, te se zato i povezuju sa istim. Ali autizam se tada krne manifestovati i kod djece koja nisu vakcinisana, ali to uglavnom ljudi ne znaju.

Ja razumijem da se treba raspravljati o rizicima koje moze nositi vakcinacija i kako smanjiti iste, ali tvrditi kako nevalja i davati argumente tipa "vakcina protiv polia je najveci uzrocnik polia u SAD-u" je stvarno dokaz koliko oni koji zagovaraju te stvari, nemaju osnovnog znanja o istome.
da vidimo jeli to tacno

New Study Shows The Amish Don't Get Autism? And They Don't Get Vaccinations: Possible Link?
http://www.southmilwaukeenow.com/blogs/ ... 35051.html

People outside the alternative health community are often confused by the lack of autism in the Amish people. The Amish do not experience autism, or most of the other learning disabilities that plague our technological society. They live in a society that consists of outdated technologies and ideals, at least by contemporary standards.

#230 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 20/07/2014 09:55
by Chagalj
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http://www.iansvoice.org/

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Warm in mama’s arms, 3 days before the HepB vaccine.

Day 8
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Within 24 hrs. of receiving the HepB vaccine.

Day 12-15
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Day 17-29
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Day 31-36
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Day 47 August 10
At approximately 1:00 am, Ian Larsen Gromowski went to heaven to meet his Grandpa Ken.

No words exist to express how Scott and I felt then, feel now, or will feel for the rest of our lives. We had a son who died after just 47 days of life and who suffered tremendously. To say we miss and love him beyond belief does not even begin to do our feelings justice. Life has changed greatly for us. We are changed people. No one and no child will ever replace our precious “lil’ sunshine” Ian.

#231 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 20/07/2014 10:09
by The Realist
Hajmo stavljati fotografije oboljelih od svih bolesti protiv kojih nas stite vakcine? Ili jos bolje, hajmo postaviti fotografija nisana/spomenika svih onih koji umrli od spomenutih bolesti i uporediti s onim koji su umrli radi vakcine. Jeste bizarno, ali ce dati puno bolju sliku cijele situacije.

Na mobitelu sam, ali postavim poslije rezultate drugih studija vezanih za autizam.

#232 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 20/07/2014 11:24
by Chagalj
The Realist wrote:Hajmo stavljati fotografije oboljelih od svih bolesti protiv kojih nas stite vakcine? Ili jos bolje, hajmo postaviti fotografija nisana/spomenika svih onih koji umrli od spomenutih bolesti i uporediti s onim koji su umrli radi vakcine. Jeste bizarno, ali ce dati puno bolju sliku cijele situacije.

Na mobitelu sam, ali postavim poslije rezultate drugih studija vezanih za autizam.
Studies Prove Without Doubt That Unvaccinated Children Are Far Healthier Than Their Vaccinated Peers
http://vactruth.com/2014/02/26/unvaccin ... healthier/

#233 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 20/07/2014 12:54
by The Realist
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/searc ... nes-autism

Samo ću dio staviti ovdje, jer je tekst dug.
Autism and vaccines: It's the link that just won't die.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC, the World Health Organization, and the Institute of Medicine all agree that there's probably no relationship between autism and vaccines.
Sanders strongly supports vaccines, saying their benefits far outweigh their risks. But he understands where the concern about vaccines and autism comes from.
Most medical researchers argue that this is probably a coincidence: Autism symptoms tend to become apparent around the same time that children are scheduled to get routine vaccines.

Although there are two separate issues concerning vaccines and autism, they're often lumped together. One has to do with the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine; the other involves vaccines containing the chemical preservative thimerosal, which contains a form of mercury that has been suspected of causing autism and has recently been removed from most vaccines.

The MMR scare started 10 years ago with a report published in The Lancet that described the cases of eight children who, as their parents recalled, developed autistic symptoms and digestive ailments shortly after getting their first MMR dose. The researchers proposed that the vaccine might trigger a previously unknown form of regressive autism. They suggested that maybe the measles virus in the vaccine lodged in the intestine, causing some kind of reaction that then affected the brain.

After that, experts studied whether the MMR vaccine could cause autism. To do that, they looked for clues among kids who did and didn't get the vaccine.

Since that initial finding, 14 studies including millions of children in several countries consistently show no significant difference in autism rates between children who got the MMR vaccine those who didn't.

The bottom line: It's very unlikely that the MMR causes autism, researchers say.
Također, za razliku od ove dolje studije, ovdje su milioni djeca ispitani dok se nije došlo do zaključka (i opet kao pravi profesionalci stave "unlikely", jer uvijek postoji doza opreza i postoji šansa da postane okidač za nešto što već postoji u organizmu, dok ovi dolje odmah donose zaključke na tako malom broju ispitanika, što odmah govori o čemu se radi tu), dolje su ispitali par stotina i stvorili zaključak, ali ono što je inderesantno, nisu htjeli reći koliko su djeca i od čega oboljevala prije vakcinacije i koliko ih je preživaljvalo da bi mogla oboljeti poslije od nečega.

A pročitaj cijeli članak, pa ćeš vidjeti razliku između "jedne i druge" žive i to da se izbacilo iz većine vakcina i sada se koriste pojedinačne doze.
Studies Prove Without Doubt That Unvaccinated Children Are Far Healthier Than Their Vaccinated Peers
http://vactruth.com/2014/02/26/unvaccin ... healthier/
Nisam ovo koristio, ali sada hoću:

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#234 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 20/07/2014 13:13
by Pjanic15
Chagalj wrote:
The Realist wrote:Hajmo stavljati fotografije oboljelih od svih bolesti protiv kojih nas stite vakcine? Ili jos bolje, hajmo postaviti fotografija nisana/spomenika svih onih koji umrli od spomenutih bolesti i uporediti s onim koji su umrli radi vakcine. Jeste bizarno, ali ce dati puno bolju sliku cijele situacije.

Na mobitelu sam, ali postavim poslije rezultate drugih studija vezanih za autizam.
Studies Prove Without Doubt That Unvaccinated Children Are Far Healthier Than Their Vaccinated Peers
http://vactruth.com/2014/02/26/unvaccin ... healthier/
Ti baš uporan u postavljanju smeća sa sajtova zavjeraša :-) , da ponoviš lekciju:
In February 2012, the Cochrane Library published a review of dozens of scientific studies involving in all about 14,700,000 children, which found no credible evidence of an involvement of MMR with either autism or Crohn's disease.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 29A.f03t02

A 2009 review of studies on links between vaccines and autism discusses the MMR vaccine controversy as one of three main hypotheses which epidemiological and biological studies fail to support.
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full

A 2007 review of independent studies performed after the publication of Wakefield et al.'s original report found that these studies provide compelling evidence against the hypothesis that MMR is associated with autism.
http://www.nature.com/clpt/journal/v82/ ... 0407a.html

A 2007 case study used the figure in Wakefield's 1999 letter to The Lancet alleging a temporal association between MMR vaccination and autism to illustrate how a graph can misrepresent its data, and gave advice to authors and publishers to avoid similar misrepresentations in the future.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17867721

In 2006, a review of the literature regarding vaccines and autism was published, which found that "The bulk of the evidence suggests no causal relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17168158

#235 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 20/07/2014 21:22
by Qler
Vala moje dijete je primilo sve vakcine koje je slijeduju. Par izolovanih slucajeva jednostavno nije dovoljno da ospori milione izlijecenih ili sprijecenih bolesti. A ljudi danas generalno serubo svemu i svacemu, u sta se razumiju kao gospodja Mara u....

Poslano sa moje fax masine koristeci sekretaricu.

#236 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 21/07/2014 12:14
by GaRGa
ama godisnje umre 10-ak ljudi zbog alergije na andol pa jel ga zbog toga treba zabraniti ??
jos vise ljudi umre od kiki rikija ...

#237 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 21/07/2014 19:42
by RNG_25
Chagalj wrote:Studies Prove Without Doubt That Unvaccinated Children Are Far Healthier Than Their Vaccinated Peers
http://vactruth.com/2014/02/26/unvaccin ... healthier/
Informacije i "studije" koje ovaj link daje su irelevantne. A da ne spominjem kako se spomenute "studije" vrše - preko online upitnika :roll: .

#238 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 23/07/2014 21:48
by The Realist
Konacno prva vakcina dodje..... Sada samo da ne bude komplikacija vise i da ne bude odgadjanja, a.B.d.!

#239 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 25/07/2014 10:59
by GaRGa

#240 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 03/08/2014 01:15
by Grover
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#241 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 03/08/2014 01:29
by Pjanic15
Tako je Grovere, samo što si opisao sebe i svoje iluzije. :lol:

#242 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 08/08/2014 11:14
by GaRGa
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The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt

#243 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 09/08/2014 18:55
by Grover
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30 and her family is grasping for answers.

The cause of her death has been listed as ‘inconclusive’.

FOX 4 sister station WITI spoke to Meredith’s parents. Her mother recalled the hours before Meredith was found unconscious on the floor.

That day, Rebecca Prohaska took her daughter to the doctor for a sore throat. While they were there, at about 10:30 or 11:00 a.m., Meredith got her first HPV vaccine.

Rebecca says she remembers getting a handout about possible side effects.

“Thirty minutes later she was trying to sleep. I kept waking her up,” Rebecca Prohaska said.

By 3:30 that afternoon, Rebecca Prohaska went out for a half-hour to get food.

“I came back and I found her on the floor,” Rebecca Prohaska said.

Her mother, who is a 14-year veteran Emergency Medical Technician for the National Guard, performed CPR, but Meredith was pronounced dead at the hospital.

“The only thing different about that day was that shot. I wish I would’ve known more about it before I agreed to it,” Rebecca Prohaska said.

Prohaska is describes as a girl who loved to be active — swimming and playing basketball while in sixth grade at Butler Middle School.

“I’m a tough guy. I can take a beating — but this has ripped a hole in my heart,” Prohaska’s father, Mark Prohaska said.

The Prohaskas have donated Meredith’s organs and tissue so others can live a healthier life. Meredith will be buried on Saturday.
http://fox4kc.com/2014/08/08/girl-with- ... urs-later/


#244 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 15/08/2014 13:39
by GaRGa
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#245 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 15/08/2014 13:40
by GaRGa
vi ste veca opasnost od bilo koje zaraze...

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#246 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 20/08/2014 19:27
by Grover
Dokumentarac koji će biti prikazan na RT:

#247 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 20/08/2014 21:47
by Pjanic15
Jedan odličan komentar na taj zavjeraški sci-fi dokumentarac:

"Thanks to propaganda like this children are contracting and some are dying of preventable illnesses. You have blood on your hands."

#248 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 21/08/2014 03:26
by Grover
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The risks associated with the hepatitis B vaccine are far more pressing than the risk of contracting the disease, says Dr. Jane Orient of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). “For most children, the risk of a serious vaccine reaction may be 100 times greater than the risk of hepatitis B.”

Still, newborns are given the vaccine within moments of entering the world.

Considered by many to be crimes against infants, the hep-b vaccination, the vaccine has been linked to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), multiple sclerosis, and other autoimmune disorders. Many experts have questioned the prolific use of the vaccine since it stepped on the scene a few decades ago. What’s more, many parents are starting to question the need for the vaccine.

“In increasing numbers, parents across the country are contacting the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) to report opposition to regulations being enacted by state health department officials that legally require children to be injected with three doses of hepatitis B vaccine before being allowed to attend daycare, kindergarten, elementary school, high school or college,” National Vaccine Information Center reads.

As a parent, it is still your decision whether or not to vaccinate your child. There is plenty of research out there to help guide you in this decision. Don’t let your doctor or the people around you be your only source of information. Do your research and determine the best solution for your child’s long-term health.
http://naturalsociety.com/federal-court ... -disorder/

#249 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 21/08/2014 04:26
by Pjanic15
I ponovo izmišljena priča koja se može naći samo po zavjeraškim natural sajtovima. :lol:

#250 Re: Opasnost od vakcina i vakcinacije

Posted: 21/08/2014 06:17
by Grover
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problems to attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder -- have jumped 21 percent among U.S. children, according to a new report.

Overall, parent-reported disabilities rose 16 percent -- from almost 5 million children to about 6 million between 2001 and 2011, said study author Dr. Amy Houtrow, associate professor of physical medicine and rehabilitation and pediatrics at the University of Pittsburgh.

"We know that disabilities have been on the rise for decades," Houtrow said. Understanding the trends helps practitioners know where and how to better direct services, the study noted.

Children from poor families are more likely to have a disability than richer kids, but the surge in neurodevelopmental and mental troubles was most notable among wealthier families, the researchers found.

Although the study didn't look at why this is so, Houtrow said there is less stigma about getting help for a disability than in the past. She also speculated that wealthier families have better access to care.

A Florida pediatric neurologist agreed. Dr. Sayed Naqvi, of Miami Children's Hospital, said he's observed a surge in requested services for autism, attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and speech delay. Many of those families have easy access to pediatric information on the Internet and a growing awareness that their kids can be helped, he said.

"The more affluent parents come prepared, they know what services are there," Naqvi said. "We spend a lot more time nowadays discussing [treatments]."

For the study, published online Aug. 18 in Pediatrics, Houtrow analyzed data from the U.S. National Health Interview Surveys taken in four time periods between 2001 and 2011.

Parents first reported if their child had a limitation or disability. Next, they chose from a list of limiting physical, developmental or mental health conditions.


While ADHD increased 22 percent, learning disabilities dropped 13 percent.

Physical conditions included: asthma or breathing problems, vision problems, hearing problems, bone/joint/muscle problems, injury.

Mental/neurodevelopmental conditions included: epilepsy or seizures, speech problems, learning disability, ADHD, mental retardation, other mental/emotional/behavioral problems, and other developmental problems.

Autism spectrum disorders, now thought to affect one in 68 U.S. children, was not one of the specific developmental disorders that parents could report. "Autism probably would have been listed by the parent as either 'other developmental problem,' 'other mental, emotional or behavioral problem' or 'intellectual disability' (also referred to as mental retardation)," Houtrow said.

Birth defects or other impairment problems were considered unclassifiable conditions.

Physical disability cases declined almost 12 percent over the decade, the study authors noted.

Significant increases were reported in "other mental, emotional or behavioral problems," which rose 65 percent, and speech problems and mental retardation, each up 63 percent, Houtrow said.

While ADHD increased 22 percent, according to parent reports, learning disabilities dropped 13 percent, the investigators found.

Reports of asthma fell 24 percent, and hearing problems increased 16 percent, the findings showed.

Families earning $89,400 or more in 2011 had the greatest increase in reported disabilities -- nearly 29 percent, the study found. Households earning below the poverty level had a rise of about 11 percent.

Is it healthy or not to label kids as disabled? The study didn't address that, but Houtrow said that "a disability is a normal part of life. We should work to maximize a child's ability."

While there is still some stigma linked with disability, she said, the focus needs to be on understanding a child's limitation and making plans to overcome it.

"The disability doesn't just describe the limitation," she said. "It affects the [child's] interaction with the world."

Acknowledging it and making a plan, she said, "is better than ignoring it."



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