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#22101 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Kikibombona wrote:
sarajevoxxxx wrote:Od ruske vojne intervencije i te kako su Kurdi profitirali.

Ovo je i za njih bitan momenat u to nema sumnje. Sada su ponovo ostavljeni Amerima, što se onda oni ne bore za njih da prisustvuju pregovorima?

Šta je sa Šejh Maksudom? Zašto su stali kod Azaza? Oni sada imaju veliki problem na sjeveru Sirije. Nema nazad, a krenuli su na sve ili ništa a sada vrlo lahko mog ostari bez ičega.
Rusi ce nastaviti djelovati u Siriji. Iz nekog razloga su povukli veci dio snaga, sto je pokazatelj slabosti, ali su jos uvijek tu i bice do samog kraja (i nakon toga). Rusija se zajedno sa Amerikom najvise pita o budcnosti Sirije. Rusi imaju baze u Tartusu i Latakiji. Nema nikakve sumnje da baze zele zadrzati i koristiti ih nakon rata.

Kurdi cijelo vrijeme stanu pa krenu. Imaju problem sa Turcima koji ih usporavaju. Ali ide to polako. Posljednje informacije govore da se sprema velika ofanziva na Manbij. Tamo prema Zoru pregazise sve, prisvojise nova naftna i plinska polja. Sve su prilike da ce bas oni osloboditi Raku.

Rojava je realnost.

Pobunjenici su preslabi za SDF. To se vidjelo u zadnjoj ofanzivi kada su ih zgazili. Isti ti pobunjenici SADA napreduju protiv ISIL, isti ti koje je SDF zgazio.

Cak im ni u onom okruzenom Sejh Maksudu ne mogu nista. Jedan kvart u srcu emirata, odsjecen od ostatka Rojave. I opet ne mogu nista, osim razvaliti sve i pobiti civile. Sapom ni centa ne mogu napredovati.
Trenutno se rat vodi na diplomatskom polju, a ne na terenu u Siriji. Od stupanja na snagu famoznog primirja, intenzitet ruskih udara je drastično pao, čak i prema nusri, iako je rečeno da za njih primirje ne važi. Ti avioni koji su bili parkirani od stupanja na snagu primirja, su sada povučeni - što ne znači da neće biti vraćeni, ako zatreba. Takođe, rusi su obećali da će završiti Palmiru. Sve ostalo je sada za pregovaračkim stolom.
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Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Možemo mi pričati svašta ali činjenice ne lažu.

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:-) :lol: eeee.jebi ga. :D
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#22103 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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husein_kapetan wrote:Od jutros.. vijest. Da ruski su-34 ravnaju Palmiru.. ??
Juce gledamo odlazak ovih zrakoplova..(5 kom) ..
Bogme je beskorisno vise konstatirati bilo sta..
Ili je sve onako kako vidimo ili nista tome ni slicno nije..
Najbolje što sam pročitao na tu temu, u jednoj rečenici, je napisao jedan član IMF foruma, citiraću ga ovdje

When people understand that the so called powers eat from the same table, then strategic moves such as the one made by Russia become more logical.
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husein_kapetan wrote:Od jutros.. vijest. Da ruski su-34 ravnaju Palmiru.. ??
Juce gledamo odlazak ovih zrakoplova..(5 kom) ..
Bogme je beskorisno vise konstatirati bilo sta..
Ili je sve onako kako vidimo ili nista tome ni slicno nije..
Realno se nisu povukli vec "smanjili obim intervencije". Helikopteri su ostali i dio aviona so oko hiljadu vojnika, tehnicara i sl. I jucer i danas su bombardirali ali manje nego predhodno.

Na samom pocetku su rekli da ce trajati 5-6 meseci a posto su (barem po slikama) trosili bombe proizvedene za vreme SSSR-a i nisu nesto previse potrosili sto se novca tice.

Od "Assad must go" mantre koju je zapad ponavljao je doslo do toga da Assadovi imaju pregovaracku poziciju.
Od "suradnje sa Rusijom samo oko izbegavanja incidenata medju avionima" je doslo do toga da je Rusija sada kljucna za mirovne pregovore.
Baze su ostale.
Nije ih kostalo vise od milijardu dolara.
Mozda ce i Kurde da ukljuce u mirovni proces.

Sa druge strane sada su se i Rusi uverili kolika je stvarna snaga Assada i kompanije.
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Black swan wrote:joj to airmen nije pilot
kako ljudi prave grešku
ja pratim te kažulties što se kaže na engleskom
airmen može biti pomoćni pomoćnik pomoćnikovog pomoćnika za opravku motora

nije pilot :roll: isto kao što mehaničar na formuli 1 nije vozač
....ima "airmana" koji apsolutno nemaju veze sa avionom...vec prave borbene-logisticke-pozadinske jedinice pri AIR FORCE-u, "kažulties" su svi koji su poginuli na nekoj operaciji ne mora biti uopste borbena misija ili neprijateljska vatra, al eto.
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#22106 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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AleksoMKD wrote:
husein_kapetan wrote:Od jutros.. vijest. Da ruski su-34 ravnaju Palmiru.. ??
Juce gledamo odlazak ovih zrakoplova..(5 kom) ..
Bogme je beskorisno vise konstatirati bilo sta..
Ili je sve onako kako vidimo ili nista tome ni slicno nije..
Realno se nisu povukli vec "smanjili obim intervencije". Helikopteri su ostali i dio aviona so oko hiljadu vojnika, tehnicara i sl. I jucer i danas su bombardirali ali manje nego predhodno.

Na samom pocetku su rekli da ce trajati 5-6 meseci a posto su (barem po slikama) trosili bombe proizvedene za vreme SSSR-a i nisu nesto previse potrosili sto se novca tice.

Od "Assad must go" mantre koju je zapad ponavljao je doslo do toga da Assadovi imaju pregovaracku poziciju.
Od "suradnje sa Rusijom samo oko izbegavanja incidenata medju avionima" je doslo do toga da je Rusija sada kljucna za mirovne pregovore.
Baze su ostale.
Nije ih kostalo vise od milijardu dolara.
Mozda ce i Kurde da ukljuce u mirovni proces.

Sa druge strane sada su se i Rusi uverili kolika je stvarna snaga Assada i kompanije.
Niko nekaze da ce se doci do nekog mira sa prvim pregovorima...to mi na balkanu najbolje znamo. Assad uvjek ima problem sa drzanjem linija.
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General War wrote:
Black swan wrote:joj to airmen nije pilot
kako ljudi prave grešku
ja pratim te kažulties što se kaže na engleskom
airmen može biti pomoćni pomoćnik pomoćnikovog pomoćnika za opravku motora

nije pilot :roll: isto kao što mehaničar na formuli 1 nije vozač
....ima "airmana" koji apsolutno nemaju veze sa avionom...vec prave borbene-logisticke-pozadinske jedinice pri AIR FORCE-u, "kažulties" su svi koji su poginuli na nekoj operaciji ne mora biti uopste borbena misija ili neprijateljska vatra, al eto.
pa da
airmen friendli fire

čitaj airmen (čistač) se potukao u kafani i zadobio ubod bocom u stomak i preminuo
naslov u novinama
oborlili avion pogino pilot
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General War wrote: Niko nekaze da ce se doci do nekog mira sa prvim pregovorima...to mi na balkanu najbolje znamo.
Svakako, ali eto aviona nazad za 24 sata ako treba, infrastruktura je na mestu, personal u bazama......
Plus ce Putin da kaze da su eto njihovu dobru volju zloupotrebili zli teroristi sa podrskom zapada.
General War wrote: Assad uvjek ima problem sa drzanjem linija.
Na to sam i mislio, sada i Rusi vide realno stanje na terenu. JA mislim da se vecina vojnika SAA bori ne za Assada vec protiv alternative koja je u najboljem slucaju Mad Max ko u Libiji.
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#22109 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 8749427712

Ruski ambasador "koliko ja znam ni jedan civil nije poginuo tokom bombardovanja:
:-)
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AleksoMKD wrote:https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 8749427712

Ruski ambasador "koliko ja znam ni jedan civil nije poginuo tokom bombardovanja:
:-)
Kad je blesav, moze to i po americkom rijecniku: "to su kolateralne zrtve" i dovidjenja.
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- Kurdi i prokurdski politički faktori na sjeveru Sirije proglasili "Federaciju sjeverne Sirije".

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Kako na to reaguje Ankara? Ne priznaje tu odluku i podržava "nacionalno jedinstvo Sirije":
BREAKING: Turkish FM official says supports Syria’s national unity, unilateral declarations of a federation invalid

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:lol: a mora li asad otići
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Black swan wrote:
General War wrote:
Black swan wrote:joj to airmen nije pilot
kako ljudi prave grešku
ja pratim te kažulties što se kaže na engleskom
airmen može biti pomoćni pomoćnik pomoćnikovog pomoćnika za opravku motora

nije pilot :roll: isto kao što mehaničar na formuli 1 nije vozač
....ima "airmana" koji apsolutno nemaju veze sa avionom...vec prave borbene-logisticke-pozadinske jedinice pri AIR FORCE-u, "kažulties" su svi koji su poginuli na nekoj operaciji ne mora biti uopste borbena misija ili neprijateljska vatra, al eto.
pa da
airmen friendli fire

čitaj airmen (čistač) se potukao u kafani i zadobio ubod bocom u stomak i preminuo
naslov u novinama
oborlili avion pogino pilot
Tako je, "vazdusni covjek" ili ti ga "hava insan" ne veze se samo za pilota...posebno kao uspjeh ovih budalasa sa bradicama.
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#22114 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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dječak sa šibicama wrote:
AleksoMKD wrote:https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 8749427712

Ruski ambasador "koliko ja znam ni jedan civil nije poginuo tokom bombardovanja:
:-)
Kad je blesav, moze to i po americkom rijecniku: "to su kolateralne zrtve" i dovidjenja.
A ne, kolatelarna steta se placa..rusi ne masaju.
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Pa ka'e

EŠ-Š'AB JURID ISKAT EN-NIZAM

Hur, Hur, hurijjeh, nahna bidna hurijjeh
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Što se tiče Hur, Hur, hurijjeh, nahna bidna hurijjeh likova, sada pristaju na direktne pregovore sa vlastima:
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Glasnogovornik vodeće sirijske opozicijske alijanse, Salim al-Muslat, rekao je kako se sirijska opozicija "ne protivi" ideji direktnih pregovora s vladom sirijskog predsjednika Bashara al-Assada.

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U principu, to je to

Russia Plan B is always an option in Syria

Hammymeem, Latakia, by Elijah J. Magnier:

The Hammymeem military base hosting the Russian Air Force is observing frenetic movement preparing for daily departure of the excess of Air personnel and jets that were standing by for the last two weeks, following a reasonably implemented Cease-fire.

Russian Air Force used to carry between 200 to 350 sorties, bombing selective objectives, on daily basis until the end of the month of February when the Cease-fire was declared in Syria. Today, the operation room can identify less than 30 objectives per day, with a major concentration on hitting the “Islamic State” group (ISIS) in Palmyra, Tadmur, and other very limited objectives in cities under al-Qaeda fi bilad al-Sham, Jabhat al-Nusra’ control.

The Russian Defence Ministry asked the military command in Syria over a week ago to prepare a list of effectives and number of personnel unnecessary to stay in combat readiness due to a significant reduction of battles and confrontation on the Syrian geography. Orders were also given to a number of Special Forces, pilots and crews Engineering to prepare to leave.

The Air base in Hammaymeem and the naval base in Tartus are fully under Russian control that obviously intends to stay for very long and consolidate their presence. All Air defence systems are in place and the high number of jet doesn’t allow a clear distinction between what has returned home and what stayed behind. Russia maintained an undeclared number of jets and helicopters, superior than the 70 officially announced. Departing Pilots have had unique experience in life combat and manoeuvre in real war that Russia didn’t observe since decades. Russian special forces have also endured enough experience, along with artillery units, in regaining full control of the Lakatia province and participating to several operations in Aleppo. A team of Russian experts worked frenetically in observing and transferring the unlimited experience of combat lessons drawn mainly when a state effective, like Russia, is coordinating effective guerrilla attacks with non-state forces (Hezbollah, IRGC – Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps).

Moreover, The Jihadists in Syria and their allies were representing a serious danger when their bombs could reach many locations in Latakia and could have posed a real threat to the Russian personnel. It was necessary to create enough security parameter, and, simultaneously, spoil the Turkish plan to create a buffer zone on the Syrian-Turkish borders.

Russia has managed to turn the balance of power up side down in six months of its intervention in Syria. Regardless the return of control of a vast strategic land to the regime in Damascus, the Kremlin forces all parties to sit with Assad representative around the Geneva table when these were rejecting the idea for the last four years of war. Russia is pushing for a free election, within the area under the regime and the rebels’ control, under the supervision of the United Nations.



The Kremlin asked President Assad if he has the intention to run for the Presidency election. Mr Assad not only showed determination but also is confident of winning. The role of Moscow is to support an election where no one is excluded, including Mr Assad.



Russia, according to high-ranking sources, informed Washington, Damascus and Tehran of its step of reducing forces in Syria. The Kremlin expect from the United States to exert its promises imposing on regional parties, i.e. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, to stop all sorts of weapons and financial supply to all rebels without exception. The USA is confident to obtain from its regional allies in the Middle East this commitment at the cost of joining the bombing, with Russia, of all those willing to continue fighting and violate the open-date Cease-fire in Syria. Saudi Arabia and Turkey see no longer Syria as a possibility to implement their old plans and agreed, theoretically, to act accordingly. Russia would be monitoring this particular stand in the coming days.

“We have agreed with the Americans to stop the war in Syria by all means. The agreement consists in joining all efforts to defeat ISIS and to free Raqqa. Al-Qaeda in Syria (Jabhat al-Nusra) is another story. As long as the violation of the cease-fire is accepted, its role is limited. If there are attacks followed by a concentration of forces, these would represent a happy and a perfect target to the Russian Air Force. Let us see how serious the American commitment is”, said the source. Al-Qaeda in Syria seems to pose little threat to the regime in Damascus since the cease-fire. Its internal struggle and continuous bickering with the population and moderate rebels are enough to diminish its influence in Syria. People are fed up of war and can’t walk along with al-Qaeda objectives to an open endless war that goes even beyond the Syrian territory.

According to the source, Russia “has shown the world that it can equip any base with the latest weapons they have not been used before. Russia changed the course of military events by supporting local forces at the lowest possible ground intervention and losses. Russia is back on the International arena as an essential player in the Middle East. The partition of Syria is no longer on the table; the dream of the establishment of a “caliphate State” or “Islamic extremist state” in the land of Sham is over now; the Damascus regime is holding its position stronger than ever since five years, avoiding a “Libya fail-state” scenario where remorse of those who contributed to derail the state is irrelevant (with reference to what US “President Barack Obama doctrine”, quoting the failure of France and Britain of their obligations towards Libya after Gaddafi). The war is not over yet. We watch the USA role and fulfilment of its commitment to ensure the success of the peace road plan in Syria”.

Russian aircraft continue leaving Hammymeem military base daily for two destinations: One back home and another to continue bombing ISIS positions. Six months ago, Russia has managed, in few days, to establish a vast military operation in Syria and turn the course of the war. If the Cease-fire falls apart, the over hundred jets will return also in a matter of days for the “plan B”.
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Zavrsen sastanak u Rmelanu!
Sutra ce biti objavljeni detalji!

Najavljeni su promjene i u vojsci. Ocekujem da SDF/YPG promijeni ime u ROJAVA ARMY! :thumbup: :D

U Kamisliju zarobljen veliki broj pripadnika NDFa!

Na mjestu dogadjaja je i Ciwan Ibrahim (u sredini na slici), lider Asayish!
Sve rezimske lokacije su u potpunom okruzenju!

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Salih Muslim je nazocan na forumu u Sulejmaniji, gdje su prisutni svi vodeci kurdski politicari i predstavnici velikih sila!

Ovo je objavio Rudaw...
U posljednje vrijeme prave veliki zaokret u odnosu prema PYD! :D
A hopeful picture!
PYD leader Salih Muslim shaking hands with Hemin Hawrami of the KDP leadership council. March 16, 2016
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Lider PYD se isto tako sastao sa liderom PUKa, Dzalalom Talibanijem!

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Oko 80 pripadnika NDFa je uhapseno u Kamisliju!

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Nisu pruzali veci otpor, sto je veoma pozitivno za cijelu pricu...

Evo kako je docekana americka delegacija u Efrinu! :lol: :lol:

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Neke od izjava Saliha Muslima sa foruma u Sulujmaniji:

PYD leader Saleh Muslim: ISIS is a product of a certain mentality that uses Islam for political ends

PYD leader Saleh Muslim: liberating Raqqa is a "priority". But, "who will rule Raqqa after taking Raqqa?
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Džihadisti iz Islamske države izgubili su 22 odsto teritorije koju su zauzeli u Siriji i Iraku od 1. januara 2015. do 14. marta 2016. godine, saopštio je danas specijalizovani institut IHS Džejns sa sedištem u Londonu.
"Rat se okreće protiv Islamske države. Od 1. januara 2015. do 15. decembra 2015, džihadisti su izgubili 14 odsto teritorije", izjavio je predstavnik instituta Kolamb Strek, stručnjak za Bliski istok. Prema njegovim rečima, u poslednja tri meseca Islamska država je izgubila osam odsto teritorije koju je kontrolisala od 1. januara 2015. godine.
IHS je naveo da Islamska država trenutno kontroliše 73.440 kvadratnih kilometara teritorije u Siriji i Iraku.
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Kikibombona wrote:Oko 80 pripadnika NDFa je uhapseno u Kamisliju!

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Nisu pruzali veci otpor, sto je veoma pozitivno za cijelu pricu...

Evo kako je docekana americka delegacija u Efrinu! :lol: :lol:

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Prva slika su zarobljeni SAA pre godinu dana na severu Alepa od strane rebela, kolko mi se čini
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cbrt wrote: Prva slika su zarobljeni SAA pre godinu dana na severu Alepa od strane rebela, kolko mi se čini
U pravu si! :thumbup:
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- Sirija, polako ali sigurno uplovljava u mirne vode... Od ideje nasilne promjene vlasti (koju je forsirala administracija idiota Obame) nema ništa. Na talasu te agende su stvarane i korištene ekstremističke frakcije te je postojao rizik genocida nad manjinama i neistomišljenicima. Ni od toga nema ništa. Od formiranja ekstremističkog vahabitskog halifata/emirata nema ništa. Od parole "alevite u grob, hrišćane u Liban" nema ništa. Od teritorijalnog širenja Izraela na rašun Sirije, nema ništa. Od potiskivanja Rusije i Irana sa Mediterana, nema ništa.

Sirija je sprud na koji se se nasukale elite zapada i elite istoka ili da parafraziram slavnog Butija (r.a.), Sirija je srušila opklade zapada i istoka. Uz podršku moćnog prijatelja.


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