#2201 Re: U Londonu uhapsen Ejup Ganic
Posted: 28/07/2010 21:14
Karađorđu, dvojici Obrenovića...zavrzlama wrote:sad je samo pitanje prema kome leti strijela i ko ce se pridruziti Djindjicu...
Karađorđu, dvojici Obrenovića...zavrzlama wrote:sad je samo pitanje prema kome leti strijela i ko ce se pridruziti Djindjicu...
The combination of the two leads me to believe that these proceedings are brought and are being used for political purposes and as such amount to an abuse of the process of this court.
Prije postavljanja novih odgovora na temu ovo se treba obavezno procitati!VjecitiStudent wrote:Za one koje interesuje malo vise cinjenica o samoj presudi od onog sto nam nude razni domaci spin majstori, ko je sve i kako svjedocio i na osnovu cega je sudija na kraju donio svoju odluku, cjelokupan tekst odluke sudije Workmana se nalazi ovdje:
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/judgme ... 072010.pdf
A ko je onda bilo sta poduzeo? Jedini sto su se borili za vrijeme pada Srebrenice su bili oni koji su se probijali iz okruzenja. A mi ostali: lezi-jedi-odmaraj,trguj....jutarnji wrote:To mozda formacija u kojoj si ti bio.Shoba wrote:Jedinice Armije BiH su sjedile u bajtama i pile kafu.
Neko bi trebao da odgovara za ubistvo zarobljenika. Ima sud BiH , pa nek se vidi...King_Eric wrote:A ako Tužiteljstvo BiH podigne optužnicu protiv Ganića za Dobrovoljačku? Hoćemo li i tada biti dosljedne patriote...
po reakcijama iz rs-a,sve oči uperene u tužilaštvo bih,i nešto očekuju.a oni "dokaze" odnijeli u beograd.1gorstak wrote:Naravno, dajuci podrsku drzavnom sudu i tuzilastvu. Nije problem da se sudi Ganicu niti da se sudi za Dobrovoljacku, problem je kada bolesni Beograd odluci da nekom sudi uz objasnjenje da Sarajevo ne radi svoj posao kako treba. Nakon svega Beograd da bude moralna vertikala i da ocjenjuje integritet Sarajeva (Zagreba, Podgorice, Pristine) ? Smijesno.King_Eric wrote:A ako Tužiteljstvo BiH podigne optužnicu protiv Ganića za Dobrovoljačku? Hoćemo li i tada biti dosljedne patriote...
Iznosenje dokumentacije ? Kakve dokumentacije ? Ono sto oni imaju kompromituje Ganica koliko i jelovnik restorana u hotelu Evropa. Mogu i ja natrpati svoju aktovku gomilom skupusanih papira i to nazvati "dokumentacijom" ali .....and wrote:po reakcijama iz rs-a,sve oči uperene u tužilaštvo bih,i nešto očekuju.a oni "dokaze" odnijeli u beograd.1gorstak wrote:Naravno, dajuci podrsku drzavnom sudu i tuzilastvu. Nije problem da se sudi Ganicu niti da se sudi za Dobrovoljacku, problem je kada bolesni Beograd odluci da nekom sudi uz objasnjenje da Sarajevo ne radi svoj posao kako treba. Nakon svega Beograd da bude moralna vertikala i da ocjenjuje integritet Sarajeva (Zagreba, Podgorice, Pristine) ? Smijesno.King_Eric wrote:A ako Tužiteljstvo BiH podigne optužnicu protiv Ganića za Dobrovoljačku? Hoćemo li i tada biti dosljedne patriote...
da li je krivično djelo iznošenje dokumentacije u beograd,bez odobrenja institucija bih?
Nisam znao da presude ovako izgledaju...obično je to prepuno pravnih termina, pozivanja na ove i one članove... ovo je kao neki članak u novinama, razumljivo i pravnom laikuVjecitiStudent wrote:Za one koje interesuje malo vise cinjenica o samoj presudi od onog sto nam nude razni domaci spin majstori, ko je sve i kako svjedocio i na osnovu cega je sudija na kraju donio svoju odluku, cjelokupan tekst odluke sudije Workmana se nalazi ovdje:
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/judgme ... 072010.pdf
He told me “In the errors of misrepresentations that I have found it seemed to meultima_palabra wrote:Nisam znao da presude ovako izgledaju...obično je to prepuno pravnih termina, pozivanja na ove i one članove... ovo je kao neki članak u novinama, razumljivo i pravnom laikuVjecitiStudent wrote:Za one koje interesuje malo vise cinjenica o samoj presudi od onog sto nam nude razni domaci spin majstori, ko je sve i kako svjedocio i na osnovu cega je sudija na kraju donio svoju odluku, cjelokupan tekst odluke sudije Workmana se nalazi ovdje:
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/judgme ... 072010.pdf
hvala za link, zanimljivo stivo...VjecitiStudent wrote:Za one koje interesuje malo vise cinjenica o samoj presudi od onog sto nam nude razni domaci spin majstori, ko je sve i kako svjedocio i na osnovu cega je sudija na kraju donio svoju odluku, cjelokupan tekst odluke sudije Workmana se nalazi ovdje:
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/judgme ... 072010.pdf
It is submitted that Section 81 provides a bar to extradition in these circumstances. The statutory protection from politically motivated prosecutions would arise if Dr Ganic would suffer prejudice at his trial on grounds of religion, race or politics. Two careful and thorough investigations have concluded that there is no evidence on which charges could be brought against Dr Ganic.
koji diletanti...Since reaching these conclusions I have been informed that the Chief War Crimes Prosecutor in Belgrade is reported as having informed the Press that Dr Ganic is wanted for the purposes of interrogation before a decision is made as to whether he is to be indicted. This is not evidence before me and I cannot be sure that the report is accurate but if it is the case that Dr Ganic is wanted for interrogation rather than prosecution extradition would not be permissible under the Extradition Act of 2003.
pa zar misliš da i Srbija ima nešto tako dobro da bi moglo zadovoljiti apetite uber kvalitetnog kadra ili pravničkih talenata koje imaju?Alfons Kauders wrote:
koji diletanti...mi sve kontamo kako je nase sudstvo u kurcu...
a komsije jos gluplje i nepismenije...
i dodik se spominje u presudiHe told me that he was “of the absolute opinion that the prosecution was politically motivated and that it was geared towards achieving political aims.” He pointed out that the Prime Minister of the Republic of Serbska had “made statements to the effect that it was about high time that Mr Ganic ended up behind bars”.
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In May 2002 the High Representative in Bosnia and Herzegovina established a Prosecutors Office for the State of Bosnia and Herzegovina which was to be an international and independent investigative team. The investigation was most thoroughly undertaken by a team led by a British CPS Lawyer, Mr Alcock, who gave evidence to me. He had read of the arrest of Dr Ganic and realising that he had material evidence contacted Dr Ganic’s Solicitors.
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Mr Alcock gave evidence before me. I reached the conclusion that he was a dedicated, thorough and entirely independent investigator lawyer. In giving evidence he was precise and extremely careful to give accurate, clear and unambiguous answers to the questions that were put to him. He was clearly a witness of truth and his investigations were extensive, including taking evidence in Canada from the United Nations Commanding Officer at the time.
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He examined all the evidence which had been obtained and in many instances obtained further evidence from witnesses which clarified the earlier statements and their evidence was then “a lot less damaging than it had been”. He examined the witness statements, film footage, historical documents and books about the events of 1992.
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In respect of the events of 2nd May 1992 Mr Alcock reached the conclusion that Dr Ganic could not and was not “responsible in any war-crime guilt sense for anything at all, and could not have been on the facts that he knew at that time.” In respect of the events of 3rd May he looked more critically at the evidence because by that time Dr Ganic had been assigned the role of Acting President. Mr Alcock told me “I believe it is in the interest of justice that war crimes that took place in Dobroviljacka Street are brought to trial but it is very much in the interest of justice to make sure one brings the right people to trial. As far as Dr Ganic is concerned I can see nothing, except a politically motivated trial against him to justify an indictment”.
VjecitiStudent wrote:Za one koje interesuje malo vise cinjenica o samoj presudi od onog sto nam nude razni domaci spin majstori, ko je sve i kako svjedocio i na osnovu cega je sudija na kraju donio svoju odluku, cjelokupan tekst odluke sudije Workmana se nalazi ovdje:
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/judgme ... 072010.pdf
Ništa od te dokumentacije... osim ako nema nešto čega se nisu dokopali.1gorstak wrote:Iznosenje dokumentacije ? Kakve dokumentacije ? Ono sto oni imaju kompromituje Ganica koliko i jelovnik restorana u hotelu Evropa. Mogu i ja natrpati svoju aktovku gomilom skupusanih papira i to nazvati "dokumentacijom" ali .....and wrote:po reakcijama iz rs-a,sve oči uperene u tužilaštvo bih,i nešto očekuju.a oni "dokaze" odnijeli u beograd.1gorstak wrote: Naravno, dajuci podrsku drzavnom sudu i tuzilastvu. Nije problem da se sudi Ganicu niti da se sudi za Dobrovoljacku, problem je kada bolesni Beograd odluci da nekom sudi uz objasnjenje da Sarajevo ne radi svoj posao kako treba. Nakon svega Beograd da bude moralna vertikala i da ocjenjuje integritet Sarajeva (Zagreba, Podgorice, Pristine) ? Smijesno.
da li je krivično djelo iznošenje dokumentacije u beograd,bez odobrenja institucija bih?
Slažem se. Samo se bojim da će dežurni političari tvrditi da se radi o politizaciji i pokušaju da se izjednače žrtva i zločinac te da je Tužiteljstvo podleglo pritisku političara iz RS-a.Shoba wrote:Neko bi trebao da odgovara za ubistvo zarobljenika. Ima sud BiH , pa nek se vidi...King_Eric wrote:A ako Tužiteljstvo BiH podigne optužnicu protiv Ganića za Dobrovoljačku? Hoćemo li i tada biti dosljedne patriote...
Ganić nije jednako BiH. isto kao što i Dodik nije jednako svi Srbi...zapadniavaz wrote:Ništa ne kontam ove forumase koji su na početku pljuvali ganica a sad presretni sto je veliko srpski projekat zadobio žestoko udarac. Neki ljudi, mislim većina ljudi ne umije da doprinese borbi za stvaranje i ojacanje bih, i samo oduzimaju kao da su programirani da uništavaju Bosnu. Skroz sam zbunjen kako je moguće da bosnjak bosanac dijeli haman sve stavove veliko srpstva, i aktivno pomaže njima? Najviše to primjetim kod tzv komunjara. Pa ljudi moji shvatite da će te poginuti fizički ako ne porazite veliko srpstvo kao broj jedan, imati pogresan stav kod bosanaca ponekad izgleda samoubilacki pogresan heh
Velikosrpstvo se velikosrpstvom ne izbija.zapadniavaz wrote:Ništa ne kontam ove forumase koji su na početku pljuvali ganica a sad presretni sto je veliko srpski projekat zadobio žestoko udarac. Neki ljudi, mislim većina ljudi ne umije da doprinese borbi za stvaranje i ojacanje bih, i samo oduzimaju kao da su programirani da uništavaju Bosnu. Skroz sam zbunjen kako je moguće da bosnjak bosanac dijeli haman sve stavove veliko srpstva, i aktivno pomaže njima? Najviše to primjetim kod tzv komunjara. Pa ljudi moji shvatite da će te poginuti fizički ako ne porazite veliko srpstvo kao broj jedan, imati pogresan stav kod bosanaca ponekad izgleda samoubilacki pogresan heh. Ako neznate kako doprinjeti onda samo pratite šta smeta velikosrpstvu i tako radite, to je dovoljno. Bar tako biće vise živih ljudskih bića ako ništa. Kako da uspijemo ako niko ne doprinosi porazu snaga koje nas uspijeh ne žele?
Ovaj text treba procitati jedno 5 puta, pa onda odspavati jednu noc , pa opet procitati 5 puta , prevesti i to na Srpski , sve cirilicom pa onda citati bar jednom u mjesec dana i citirati clanak po clanak na svim forumima u Srbiji.BHCluster wrote:Prije postavljanja novih odgovora na temu ovo se treba obavezno procitati!VjecitiStudent wrote:Za one koje interesuje malo vise cinjenica o samoj presudi od onog sto nam nude razni domaci spin majstori, ko je sve i kako svjedocio i na osnovu cega je sudija na kraju donio svoju odluku, cjelokupan tekst odluke sudije Workmana se nalazi ovdje:
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/judgme ... 072010.pdf
Nedostaje ti jos jedno citanjeFrankyee wrote:Ovaj text treba procitati jedno 5 puta, pa onda odspavati jednu noc , pa opet procitati 5 puta , prevesti i to na Srpski , sve cirilicom pa onda citati bar jednom u mjesec dana i citirati clanak po clanak na svim forumima u Srbiji.BHCluster wrote:Prije postavljanja novih odgovora na temu ovo se treba obavezno procitati!VjecitiStudent wrote:Za one koje interesuje malo vise cinjenica o samoj presudi od onog sto nam nude razni domaci spin majstori, ko je sve i kako svjedocio i na osnovu cega je sudija na kraju donio svoju odluku, cjelokupan tekst odluke sudije Workmana se nalazi ovdje:
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/judgme ... 072010.pdf
Ova presuda je jaka kao beton po pitanjima:
1. NE postoje nikakvi dokazi da je pocinjen RATNI ZLOCIN, vojna kolona je legitiman cilj, 7 poginulih vojnika je ratni cilj.
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In respect of the events of 2nd May 1992 Mr Alcock reached the conclusion that Dr Ganic could not and was not “responsible in any war-crime guilt sense for anything at all, and could not have been on the facts that he knew at that time.” In respect of the events of 3rd May he looked more critically at the evidence because by that time Dr Ganic had been assigned the role of Acting President. Mr Alcock told me “I believe it is in the interest of justice that war crimes that took place in Dobroviljacka Street are brought to trial but it is very much in the interest of justice to make sure one brings the right people to trial. As far as Dr Ganic is concerned I can see nothing, except a politically motivated trial against him to justify an indictment”.
VjecitiStudent wrote:Nedostaje ti jos jedno citanjeFrankyee wrote: Ovaj text treba procitati jedno 5 puta, pa onda odspavati jednu noc , pa opet procitati 5 puta , prevesti i to na Srpski , sve cirilicom pa onda citati bar jednom u mjesec dana i citirati clanak po clanak na svim forumima u Srbiji.
Ova presuda je jaka kao beton po pitanjima:
1. NE postoje nikakvi dokazi da je pocinjen RATNI ZLOCIN, vojna kolona je legitiman cilj, 7 poginulih vojnika je ratni cilj.
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In respect of the events of 2nd May 1992 Mr Alcock reached the conclusion that Dr Ganic could not and was not “responsible in any war-crime guilt sense for anything at all, and could not have been on the facts that he knew at that time.” In respect of the events of 3rd May he looked more critically at the evidence because by that time Dr Ganic had been assigned the role of Acting President. Mr Alcock told me “I believe it is in the interest of justice that war crimes that took place in Dobroviljacka Street are brought to trial but it is very much in the interest of justice to make sure one brings the right people to trial. As far as Dr Ganic is concerned I can see nothing, except a politically motivated trial against him to justify an indictment”.
Tu si djelomicno u pravu.Frankyee wrote: Meni je ovaj vazniji , sto kaze sudija u presudi, nego jedan svjedok
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The following day a group of 30 JNA vehicles left the officers’ club to restore President Izetbegovic to the Bosnian Presidency. It was also seized upon an opportunity to arrange for the evacuation of JNA forces and military equipment from the officers’ club to a destination outside the city. There is nothing within the request which would bring the conduct alleging issuing a command to attack a military convoy within the meaning of a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions 1949. However there is a reference to an Ambulance within the convoy and the request alleges that Dr Ganic expressly ordered an attack upon the Ambulance within the convoy. To that limited extent I am satisfied that the conduct alleges an extradition offence. I am not satisfied that the rest of the convoy had any right to protection or that the soldiers in the 30 vehicles were prisoners of war.
However there is a reference to an Ambulance within the convoy and the request alleges that Dr Ganic expressly ordered an attack upon the Ambulance within the convoy. To that limited extent I am satisfied that the conduct alleges an extradition offence.