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Connaisseur Karlin wrote:Nema potrebe za daljnju nervozu: odjeca svih religija je usvojena i mjenjana u skladu sa religjskim ciljevima,a pojedine relgisjke grupe jednostavno dozivaljavaju moderno obalcenje kao opasnost ,i svaka promjena je znak opasnosti za opstanak pojedinih religija ,a to je jako ogrnaicen stav konzervativnih grupa. nelogicno je od osobe u 21 stoljecu ocekivati da se oblaci i ponasna kao osoba prijenekoliko stoljeca. To je jedino moguce u entico-relgijskim izoliranim zajednicama sirom svijeta.

tvoji pogledi na "zatucanost" pojedinaca koji slijede religijske propise koje usput proglašavaš uvođenjem od strane muškarsca (što nije tačno inače) su doista očaravajući,barem za publiku ograničenih spoznaja u životu
religije su također stare nekoliko stoljeća, pa su vjerovatno iz tvoje inače nazovi perspektive agnostika, također ograničene
da li je potrebno dalje diskutovati sa jednom ili možžda 2 osobe na kompletnoj temi koje same sebi repliciraju i vode sami sa sobom diskusiju tješeći se da imaju sagovornika?
naravno da nema potrebe

vješalica wrote:

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:Nema potrebe za daljnju nervozu: odjeca svih religija je usvojena i mjenjana u skladu sa religjskim ciljevima,a pojedine relgisjke grupe jednostavno dozivaljavaju moderno obalcenje kao opasnost ,i svaka promjena je znak opasnosti za opstanak pojedinih religija ,a to je jako ogrnaicen stav konzervativnih grupa. nelogicno je od osobe u 21 stoljecu ocekivati da se oblaci i ponasna kao osoba prijenekoliko stoljeca. To je jedino moguce u entico-relgijskim izoliranim zajednicama sirom svijeta.

tvoji pogledi na "zatucanost" pojedinaca koji slijede religijske propise koje usput proglašavaš uvođenjem od strane muškarsca (što nije tačno inače) su doista očaravajući,barem za publiku ograničenih spoznaja u životu
religije su također stare nekoliko stoljeća, pa su vjerovatno iz tvoje inače nazovi perspektive agnostika, također ograničene
da li je potrebno dalje diskutovati sa jednom ili možžda 2 osobe na kompletnoj temi koje same sebi repliciraju i vode sami sa sobom diskusiju tješeći se da imaju sagovornika?
naravno da nema potrebe

rijec "zatucanost" nisma nikad upotrijebila na forumu,a istu nikad ne koristim generlano u zivotu

religijska pravila jesu davno ostarila,jer su izgubil svoju funkcju,jer se drustva mjenjaju,a rlgijske univerzalne ideje su uvijek iste ,i naravno da su ista pravila uvedena od strane muskaraca jer su abrahmask relgigije formirane u patriharhalnom periodu

ogranicenost jeste vezana za religije,jer one usmjeravaju vjrovanje pojedinaca

ne moram imati sugovornike,ali mogi citaju,i nadma se da ce im otkriti neki novi smijer razmisljanja

Ja bas volim citati @Connaisseur [emoji4]
Čita, istražuje, ne uzima sve servirano.

Dok @maraccana raspravlja o "poDvinovanosti" pokrivenih zena muskarcima, one idu dalje:

Iranians produce drug to keep stem cells alive


Studies conducted by researchers at Royan Institute have led to the discovery of a medicine that can keep embryonic stem cells in culture medium alive.

Dr. Kamran Ghaedi, winner of the award in the Stem Cells Group at the 17th round of Royan International Research Award, told Mehr News correspondent that his team has been conducting studies for several years on PPAR gamma factor, which is used in gene duplication.
Explaining about his project on ‘utilizing pioglitazone as a new method in increasing the efficiency of colony forming in human pluripotent stem cells (hPSCs) culture’, he said “one of the factors that we have been working on is pioglitazone which can activate the PPAR gamma factor.”
According to him, the use of pioglitazone has allowed the embryonic stem cells to have a better survival rate and maintain their fundamental properties.
“In this study, we managed to prove that by using PRAR gamma, we can improve the colony forming and duplication of pluripotent cells in mice,” he added.
The Iranian researcher went on to add, “results show that using pioglitazone together with ROCK, reduces the apoptosis of the stem cells and increases the colony forming up to two or three times. Pioglitazone prevents the increase of Glycogen Synthase Kinase 3 (GSK3) and induces the activity of Beta-catenin and E-Cadherin in cell membrane.”
“The findings can be used to improve the conditions for growing human pluripotent cells and increasing the efficiency of cell culture,” he said.

seln wrote:

maraccana wrote:

animals wrote:
U tom i jeste fazon.
ispravno misljenje ne postoji..
samo nas razlicita misljenja vode naprijed..
jednoumlja u mrak...

Objašnjavo ti to njemu ili tako nekom Arapu u KSA, ista stvar.

I onda mali mis-provokator proziva nekog zbog vrijedjanja...

seln wrote: Hvala, preferiram viski.

Izgleda da je tek sada jasnije kako vidiš nepostojeće stvari u postovima, a i zašto tvoje egzibicionisanje na temi izgleda slično ovome:

Tolerancija, komunikacija..
bez vrijedjanja...
ne bi bilo zgoreg..

salik79 wrote:Dok @maraccana raspravlja o "poDvinovanosti" pokrivenih zena muskarcima, one idu dalje:

Iranians produce drug to keep stem cells alive


Studies conducted by researchers at Royan Institute have led to the discovery of a medicine that can keep embryonic stem cells in culture medium alive.

Dr. Kamran Ghaedi, winner of the award in the Stem Cells Group at the 17th round of Royan International Research Award, told Mehr News correspondent that his team has been conducting studies for several years on PPAR gamma factor, which is used in gene duplication.
Explaining about his project on ‘utilizing pioglitazone as a new method in increasing the efficiency of colony forming in human pluripotent stem cells (hPSCs) culture’, he said “one of the factors that we have been working on is pioglitazone which can activate the PPAR gamma factor.”
According to him, the use of pioglitazone has allowed the embryonic stem cells to have a better survival rate and maintain their fundamental properties.
“In this study, we managed to prove that by using PRAR gamma, we can improve the colony forming and duplication of pluripotent cells in mice,” he added.
The Iranian researcher went on to add, “results show that using pioglitazone together with ROCK, reduces the apoptosis of the stem cells and increases the colony forming up to two or three times. Pioglitazone prevents the increase of Glycogen Synthase Kinase 3 (GSK3) and induces the activity of Beta-catenin and E-Cadherin in cell membrane.”
“The findings can be used to improve the conditions for growing human pluripotent cells and increasing the efficiency of cell culture,” he said.

"Dok @maraccana raspravlja o "poDvinovanosti" pokrivenih zena muskarcima"

Lijepo je vidjeti obrazovanu ženu, gdje obrazovanje predstavlja ženu kao slobodnu, prosperitetnu itd., dok sa druge strane pokrivenost predstavlja onu negativnu stranu, njenu podvinovanost muškarcu hiljadama godina, zarobljenost, objekat koji mora da ispašta zbog seksualnih nagona muškarca.

animals wrote:Tolerancija, komunikacija..
bez vrijedjanja...
ne bi bilo zgoreg..

Ne gasi se on već stranicama sa takvim izrazima "uhljup" i slično, još kad dolije, kako veli viski, haos...

c/p pargrafa sa bloga zene u SAD,koja je porijkelom iz Irana:

Truth is that for many centuries, since ancient pre-Islamic times, female headscarf was a normative dress-code in the Greater Iran.[1] This situation did change somewhat in the Middle Ages after arrival of the Turkic nomadic tribes from Central Asia, whose women didn’t wear headscarves.[2] However, after the Safavid centralization in the 16th century, headscarf became defined as the standard head dress for the women in urban areas all around the Iranian Empire.[3] Exceptions to this standard were seen only in the villages and among the nomads, so women without headscarf could be found only among rural people and tribes like Qashqai.[4] It must be mentioned that veiling of faces, that is, covering the hair and the whole face was very rare among the Iranians and was mostly restricted to the Arabs and the Afghans.[5] Later, during the economic crisis in the late 19th century under the Qajar dynasty, the poorest urban women could not afford headscarves due to the high price of textile and its scarcity.[6]

To summarize, owing to the aforementioned historical circumstances, the covering hair has always been norm in Iranian dress-code, and removing it was considered as something impolite, or even as an insult.[7] In the early 20th century, the Iranians associated not wearing it as something rural, nomadic, poor and non-Iranian.

zagortenej wrote:Ja bas volim citati @Connaisseur [emoji4]
Čita, istražuje, ne uzima sve servirano.

da,hvala

maraccana wrote:

salik79 wrote:Dok @maraccana raspravlja o "poDvinovanosti" pokrivenih zena muskarcima, one idu dalje:

Iranians produce drug to keep stem cells alive


Studies conducted by researchers at Royan Institute have led to the discovery of a medicine that can keep embryonic stem cells in culture medium alive.

Dr. Kamran Ghaedi, winner of the award in the Stem Cells Group at the 17th round of Royan International Research Award, told Mehr News correspondent that his team has been conducting studies for several years on PPAR gamma factor, which is used in gene duplication.
Explaining about his project on ‘utilizing pioglitazone as a new method in increasing the efficiency of colony forming in human pluripotent stem cells (hPSCs) culture’, he said “one of the factors that we have been working on is pioglitazone which can activate the PPAR gamma factor.”
According to him, the use of pioglitazone has allowed the embryonic stem cells to have a better survival rate and maintain their fundamental properties.
“In this study, we managed to prove that by using PRAR gamma, we can improve the colony forming and duplication of pluripotent cells in mice,” he added.
The Iranian researcher went on to add, “results show that using pioglitazone together with ROCK, reduces the apoptosis of the stem cells and increases the colony forming up to two or three times. Pioglitazone prevents the increase of Glycogen Synthase Kinase 3 (GSK3) and induces the activity of Beta-catenin and E-Cadherin in cell membrane.”
“The findings can be used to improve the conditions for growing human pluripotent cells and increasing the efficiency of cell culture,” he said.

"Dok @maraccana raspravlja o "poDvinovanosti" pokrivenih zena muskarcima"

Lijepo je vidjeti obrazovanu ženu, gdje obrazovanje predstavlja ženu kao slobodnu, prosperitetnu itd., dok sa druge strane pokrivenost predstavlja onu negativnu stranu, njenu podvinovanost muškarcu hiljadama godina, zarobljenost, objekat koji mora da ispašta zbog seksualnih nagona muškarca.

Sta reci?

This myth is a pure fantasy from historical and ethnographic point-of-view, since headscarf as part of ancient Iranian dress-code is verified in both ancient texts and artistic representations[14] (see also #1). Chador itself is a Persian word and its mentioned in ancient Zoroastrian texts.

Female dress code has been the same in the past 2500 years

It is also important to mention that the concept of hijab in the Quran doesn’t imply headscarf but a modest dress-code in general,[16] and interpretations vary widely depending on the specific country, the population practicing Islam, and its cultural norms.[17]

Later, after the Muslim Arabs conquered Sassanid Iran, early Muslims adopted veiling as a result of their exposure to the strong Iranian cultural influence

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:

This myth is a pure fantasy from historical and ethnographic point-of-view, since headscarf as part of ancient Iranian dress-code is verified in both ancient texts and artistic representations[14] (see also #1). Chador itself is a Persian word and its mentioned in ancient Zoroastrian texts.

Female dress code has been the same in the past 2500 years

It is also important to mention that the concept of hijab in the Quran doesn’t imply headscarf but a modest dress-code in general,[16] and interpretations vary widely depending on the specific country, the population practicing Islam, and its cultural norms.[17]

Later, after the Muslim Arabs conquered Sassanid Iran, early Muslims adopted veiling as a result of their exposure to the strong Iranian cultural influence

pohvališe te, pa nastavljaš da istražuješ

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:

This myth is a pure fantasy from historical and ethnographic point-of-view, since headscarf as part of ancient Iranian dress-code is verified in both ancient texts and artistic representations[14] (see also #1). Chador itself is a Persian word and its mentioned in ancient Zoroastrian texts.

Female dress code has been the same in the past 2500 years

It is also important to mention that the concept of hijab in the Quran doesn’t imply headscarf but a modest dress-code in general,[16] and interpretations vary widely depending on the specific country, the population practicing Islam, and its cultural norms.[17]

Later, after the Muslim Arabs conquered Sassanid Iran, early Muslims adopted veiling as a result of their exposure to the strong Iranian cultural influence

Naravno, jer vjerski propisi su, manje-vise, isti od samog stvaranja covjecanstva. Tome u prilog ide i ovo o pokrivanju. I sada bi da objasnite zenama u Iranu kako im je pokrivalo/veo nametnut odnedavno, a ne dio njihove visemilenijumske (vjerske) tradicije. Cednost je odlika, a ne mahana. Jer, kada se jednom krene sa dekadencijom i degradacijom te cednosti, kad-tad se dodje i do, recimo, ovoga:



Samo sto se jos nije nasao zakonodavac u "demokratskoj" Francuskoj koji bi zabranio izlazak ovakvih spodoba u javnost. Jer, one, valjda "ne remete javni red i mir", a i nekako su bas simpa i cool...a, uz sve to, i slobodne, "nepoDvinovane"...

salik79 wrote:

maraccana wrote:

salik79 wrote:Dok @maraccana raspravlja o "poDvinovanosti" pokrivenih zena muskarcima, one idu dalje:

Iranians produce drug to keep stem cells alive


Studies conducted by researchers at Royan Institute have led to the discovery of a medicine that can keep embryonic stem cells in culture medium alive.

Dr. Kamran Ghaedi, winner of the award in the Stem Cells Group at the 17th round of Royan International Research Award, told Mehr News correspondent that his team has been conducting studies for several years on PPAR gamma factor, which is used in gene duplication.
Explaining about his project on ‘utilizing pioglitazone as a new method in increasing the efficiency of colony forming in human pluripotent stem cells (hPSCs) culture’, he said “one of the factors that we have been working on is pioglitazone which can activate the PPAR gamma factor.”
According to him, the use of pioglitazone has allowed the embryonic stem cells to have a better survival rate and maintain their fundamental properties.
“In this study, we managed to prove that by using PRAR gamma, we can improve the colony forming and duplication of pluripotent cells in mice,” he added.
The Iranian researcher went on to add, “results show that using pioglitazone together with ROCK, reduces the apoptosis of the stem cells and increases the colony forming up to two or three times. Pioglitazone prevents the increase of Glycogen Synthase Kinase 3 (GSK3) and induces the activity of Beta-catenin and E-Cadherin in cell membrane.”
“The findings can be used to improve the conditions for growing human pluripotent cells and increasing the efficiency of cell culture,” he said.

"Dok @maraccana raspravlja o "poDvinovanosti" pokrivenih zena muskarcima"

Lijepo je vidjeti obrazovanu ženu, gdje obrazovanje predstavlja ženu kao slobodnu, prosperitetnu itd., dok sa druge strane pokrivenost predstavlja onu negativnu stranu, njenu podvinovanost muškarcu hiljadama godina, zarobljenost, objekat koji mora da ispašta zbog seksualnih nagona muškarca.

Sta reci?

Ne znam kakav sad imaš problem i sa riječima - podvinuti / podvinovanost ? Šta sve nećete izmišljati, kako bi skretali s teme...

ABH017 wrote:Upravo zato sam i pitao. Ako svijesni ateisti prigovaraju vjernicima zbog slijeđenja propisa, zašto se oblače u ljetnim mjesecima? Zašto se u javnosti oblače onako kako je moralno? Zar to nije malo licemjerno?

Imaj nekoliko razloga zašto se ateisti u ljetnim mjesecima ne skidaju goli na ulici:

1. Zaštita od sunca i ultraljubičastog zračenja.

2. I ateisti su, htjeli ne htjeli, podsvjesno prihvatili običaje, tako da ako u nekom društvu nije običaj da se hoda gol, onda ni ateisti neće hodati goli.

3. Ljudi su u ogromnoj većini konformisti, pa su to i ateisti. Lakše im je ponašati se po običajima nekog društva nego se sukobljavati sa svakom budalom koja bi im pravila problem što su na ulici goli iako, možda, to i nije nezakonito.

4. Većina država zakonom ne dozvoljava da je neko gol na ulici. A u onim državama koje to dozvoljavaju, tačke 2 i 3, kao i činjenica da u toj državi žive i vjernici kojima religije određuju da ne smiju biti goli na ulici čine to da ni tamo ljudi uglavnom ne hodaju goli.

Je li ovo OK?

maraccana wrote:
Ne znam kakav sad imaš problem i sa riječima - podvinuti/podvinovanosti ? Šta sve nećete izmišljati, kako bi skretali s teme...

Kaze se povinovati, a ne podvinovati. Cudi me da ti jos niko do sada (ne samo na forumu) nije ukazao na to

@salik79,ove godine sam na moru vidio iranke i u burkini i silikoni,bikini varijanti.ova druga varijanta me malo iznenadila.ima i toga?

salik79 wrote:


Samo sto se jos nije nasao zakonodavac u "demokratskoj" Francuskoj koji bi zabranio izlazak ovakvih spodoba u javnost. Jer, one, valjda "ne remete javni red i mir", a i nekako su bas simpa i cool...a, uz sve to, i slobodne, "nepoDvinovane"...

Problem je što to na slici, kakva god izgledala i kako god izvađena iz konteksta (u cilju neosnovanog demonizirianja demokratije/slobode/izbora), ona ima slobodu i pravo da čini šta hoće, a ne radi nekoga i nekome da robija.

and wrote:@salik79,ove godine sam na moru vidio iranke i u burkini i silikoni,bikini varijanti.ova druga varijanta me malo iznenadila.ima i toga?

Naravno, kao i svugdje.

salik79 wrote:

and wrote:@salik79,ove godine sam na moru vidio iranke i u burkini i silikoni,bikini varijanti.ova druga varijanta me malo iznenadila.ima i toga?

Naravno, kao i svugdje.

hvala

salik79 wrote:

Connaisseur Karlin wrote:

This myth is a pure fantasy from historical and ethnographic point-of-view, since headscarf as part of ancient Iranian dress-code is verified in both ancient texts and artistic representations[14] (see also #1). Chador itself is a Persian word and its mentioned in ancient Zoroastrian texts.

Female dress code has been the same in the past 2500 years

It is also important to mention that the concept of hijab in the Quran doesn’t imply headscarf but a modest dress-code in general,[16] and interpretations vary widely depending on the specific country, the population practicing Islam, and its cultural norms.[17]

Later, after the Muslim Arabs conquered Sassanid Iran, early Muslims adopted veiling as a result of their exposure to the strong Iranian cultural influence

Naravno, jer vjerski propisi su, manje-vise, isti od samog stvaranja covjecanstva. Tome u prilog ide i ovo o pokrivanju. I sada bi da objasnite zenama u Iranu kako im je pokrivalo/veo nametnut odnedavno, a ne dio njihove visemilenijumske (vjerske) tradicije. Cednost je odlika, a ne mahana. Jer, kada se jednom krene sa dekadencijom i degradacijom te cednosti, kad-tad se dodje i do, recimo, ovoga:

Zasto ne objasnis svojoj zeni koja ne nosi maramu Zelis ,reci,da tvoja supruga nije cedno pokrivena.

vjerski propisi nisu vjerski vec su uvedeni iz razlicitih tradicija i kulutra ,i kao takvi ,kasnije predstavljeni kao dio religijskog propisa i obaveze

pokrivenost i cednost nema veze sa zivotom od kad je asketizam od seksa nesto zabranjeno u Islamu

salik79 wrote:

maraccana wrote:
Ne znam kakav sad imaš problem i sa riječima - podvinuti/podvinovanosti ? Šta sve nećete izmišljati, kako bi skretali s teme...

Kaze se povinovati, a ne podvinovati. Cudi me da ti jos niko do sada (ne samo na forumu) nije ukazao na to

http://hrvatski.enacademic.com/62951/podvinuti ,
http://croatian.enacademic.com/41753/p%C3%B2dvrgnuti
itd...

and wrote:@salik79,ove godine sam na moru vidio iranke i u burkini i silikoni,bikini varijanti.ova druga varijanta me malo iznenadila.ima i toga?

eh da vidis Iranke u SAD bez marame

inace,ne istrazujem od juce,to raadim od osnovne skole

maraccana wrote:

salik79 wrote:


Samo sto se jos nije nasao zakonodavac u "demokratskoj" Francuskoj koji bi zabranio izlazak ovakvih spodoba u javnost. Jer, one, valjda "ne remete javni red i mir", a i nekako su bas simpa i cool...a, uz sve to, i slobodne, "nepoDvinovane"...

Problem je što to na slici, kakva god izgledala i kako god izvađena iz konteksta (u cilju neosnovanog demonizirianja demokratije/slobode/izbora), ona ima slobodu i pravo da čini šta hoće, a ne radi nekoga i nekome da robija.

A punoljetna, pravno sposobna, obrazovana zena, u "sekularno i demokratski uredjenoj zemlji" nema pravo da cini sta hoce?!! Izgleda, po tvome, samo kada je pokrivanje u pitanju ne postoji slobodna volja, a za sve ostalo se podrazumijeva!???

Hakiz wrote:

ABH017 wrote:Upravo zato sam i pitao. Ako svijesni ateisti prigovaraju vjernicima zbog slijeđenja propisa, zašto se oblače u ljetnim mjesecima? Zašto se u javnosti oblače onako kako je moralno? Zar to nije malo licemjerno?

Imaj nekoliko razloga zašto se ateisti u ljetnim mjesecima ne skidaju goli na ulici:

1. Zaštita od sunca i ultraljubičastog zračenja.

2. I ateisti su, htjeli ne htjeli, podsvjesno prihvatili običaje, tako da ako u nekom društvu nije običaj da se hoda gol, onda ni ateisti neće hodati goli.

3. Ljudi su u ogromnoj većini konformisti, pa su to i ateisti. Lakše im je ponašati se po običajima nekog društva nego se sukobljavati sa svakom budalom koja bi im pravila problem što su na ulici goli iako, možda, to i nije nezakonito.

4. Većina država zakonom ne dozvoljava da je neko gol na ulici. A u onim državama koje to dozvoljavaju, tačke 2 i 3, kao i činjenica da u toj državi žive i vjernici kojima religije određuju da ne smiju biti goli na ulici čine to da ni tamo ljudi uglavnom ne hodaju goli.

Je li ovo OK?

nije higijenski da sjednem u auto gola mislim,kupanje golotinjskim stilom je na moru je vec isprobano vise puta i opet cu tako