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Ironmen wrote: ↑18/08/2025 18:53

pici wrote: ↑18/08/2025 15:42 Amerikanci i rusi se boje ujedinjene europe. Pogledajte kartu i vidite sta bi dobili ulaskom ukrajine pa i bjelorusije u EU, zatim moguci upliv turske i kavkaza... zaista jedna ipresivna ekonomsko-vojna super sila... ameri ovdje igraju sa rusima kurvinjski. Ne zele jaki EU, bili bi opasniji cak i od Kine.

Evropa nece postati jaka ako primi u EU Trusku, Bjelorusiju i ostale zemlje 3 reda to je kamen oko vrata.

Dugarry wrote: ↑18/08/2025 23:48 Uopste ne vidim scenario u kojem ce Rusi dobiti te 4 regije, alii da dobiju, kao sto je ovdje napisano, oni ce slaviti kao da su pobjedili.

Ustvari, oni su izgubili. Dugo ce godina proci, prije nego se odluce da nekog ozbiljnijeg napadnu. Ono sto je najgore, njihovi rivali ih se vise ne boje.
Rusi ako dobiju mir, onda je to zato sto su podvili rep i sto ce raditi kako Ameri kazu.

Ja sam od pocetka imao misljenje da je Amerika njih navukla u ovaj rat, kako bi ih odvoila od Kine. Tokom rata sam pomislio da sma bio u krivu, medjutim mozda ipak na kraju bude tako.

GandalfSivi wrote: ↑19/08/2025 00:07 Evo detalja evropsko/ukrajinskog prijedloga. Mislim da su jako pametno odigrali. Nahvalili Trumpa, rekli mu da je napravio odlican posao i da sada jos samo primirje treba, narucili 100 milijardi oruzja, obecali zajenicku proizvodnju dronova od 50 milijardi, i negdje pri dnu tiho odbili priznavanje ruski okupiranih teritorija i davanje daljnih ustupaka Rusiji.

U sustini igra gluhih telefona, ali ce Trumpu zinuti guzica za 100 milijardi (i onda jos potencijalnih 50) vojnih ugovora, tako da ce na to pristati, a ostalo ako sta bude i dobro je…

https://www.ft.com/content/8dad9c67-59d ... 1S_H1AtcOA

geoxx wrote: ↑19/08/2025 00:10

GandalfSivi wrote: ↑19/08/2025 00:07 Evo detalja evropsko/ukrajinskog prijedloga. Mislim da su jako pametno odigrali. Nahvalili Trumpa, rekli mu da je napravio odlican posao i da sada jos samo primirje treba, narucili 100 milijardi oruzja, obecali zajenicku proizvodnju dronova od 50 milijardi, i negdje pri dnu tiho odbili priznavanje ruski okupiranih teritorija i davanje daljnih ustupaka Rusiji.

U sustini igra gluhih telefona, ali ce Trumpu zinuti guzica za 100 milijardi (i onda jos potencijalnih 50) vojnih ugovora, tako da ce na to pristati, a ostalo ako sta bude i dobro je…

https://www.ft.com/content/8dad9c67-59d ... 1S_H1AtcOA

Ima nesto sto mu je zasad i draze od para. Gospon Nobel.
Zbog toga ce i gurati sta je najbrze do mira.

GandalfSivi wrote: ↑19/08/2025 00:07 Evo detalja evropsko/ukrajinskog prijedloga. Mislim da su jako pametno odigrali. Nahvalili Trumpa, rekli mu da je napravio odlican posao i da sada jos samo primirje treba, narucili 100 milijardi oruzja, obecali zajenicku proizvodnju dronova od 50 milijardi, i negdje pri dnu tiho odbili priznavanje ruski okupiranih teritorija i davanje daljnih ustupaka Rusiji.

U sustini igra gluhih telefona, ali ce Trumpu zinuti guzica za 100 milijardi (i onda jos potencijalnih 50) vojnih ugovora, tako da ce na to pristati, a ostalo ako sta bude i dobro je…

https://www.ft.com/content/8dad9c67-59d ... 1S_H1AtcOA

karanana wrote: ↑19/08/2025 00:12
haj copy paste za nas sirotinju koji nemamo pretplatu na ft.

Ukraine offers $100bn weapons deal to Trump to win security guarantees

Document seen by the FT lays out Kyiv’s proposal to US president at crucial White House meetings

Ukraine will promise to buy $100bn of American weapons financed by Europe in a bid to obtain US guarantees for its security after a peace settlement with Russia, according to a document seen by the Financial Times.

Under the proposals, Kyiv and Washington would also strike a $50bn deal to produce drones with Ukrainian companies that have pioneered the technology since Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022.

Kyiv shared the proposals for new security deals with the US, which have not been previously reported, in a list of talking points with European allies ahead of a meeting with US President Donald Trump in the White House on Monday, according to four people familiar with the matter.

The document does not state which weapons Ukraine is asking to procure as part of a deal but Kyiv has been clear about its desire to buy at least 10 US-made Patriot air defence systems to protect its cities and critical infrastructure, along with other missiles and equipment. The document does not specify how much of the drone deal would be procurement or investment.

Ukraine’s pitch is intended to appeal to Trump’s desire to benefit American industry. Asked on Monday at the White House about further US military aid for Ukraine, Trump said: “We’re not giving anything. We’re selling weapons.”

The document details how Ukraine intends to make a counter-pitch to the US after Trump appeared to align himself with Russia’s position for ending the war following his meeting with President Vladimir Putin in Alaska last week.

It reiterates Ukraine’s call for a ceasefire which Trump had espoused but then dropped after his Putin meeting in favour of the pursuit of a comprehensive peace settlement.

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz told Trump on Monday during a public portion of the meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and other European leaders in Washington that the group would like the US president’s help to secure a ceasefire before any next steps.

“I can’t imagine that the next meeting would take place without a ceasefire,” he said. “So let’s work on that and let’s try to put pressure on Russia because the credibility of these efforts we are undertaking today depends on at least a ceasefire.”

The document says a “lasting peace shall be based not on concessions and free gifts to Putin, but on [a] strong security framework that will prevent future aggression”.

It adds that recent footage in Russian media shows that the Kremlin is not serious about a potential peace deal and holds a low opinion of Trump’s leadership, citing disparaging comments about the US president made by prominent television host Vladimir Solovyov.

In one, he mocks Trump for “threatening” Russia, saying Moscow could “destroy [the US] with nuclear weapons”.

Ukraine will not accept any deal including territorial concessions to Russia and insists on a ceasefire as the first step towards a full peace agreement, according to the document.

According to the document, Kyiv also rejects the proposal Putin made to Trump in Alaska to freeze the rest of the frontline if Ukraine withdraws troops from the partly occupied eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. Doing so would create “a foothold for a further and rapid advance of Russian forces towards the city of Dnipro” and enable Putin to “achieve the goals of aggression by other means”, it says.

karanana wrote: ↑19/08/2025 00:12

GandalfSivi wrote: ↑19/08/2025 00:07 Evo detalja evropsko/ukrajinskog prijedloga. Mislim da su jako pametno odigrali. Nahvalili Trumpa, rekli mu da je napravio odlican posao i da sada jos samo primirje treba, narucili 100 milijardi oruzja, obecali zajenicku proizvodnju dronova od 50 milijardi, i negdje pri dnu tiho odbili priznavanje ruski okupiranih teritorija i davanje daljnih ustupaka Rusiji.

U sustini igra gluhih telefona, ali ce Trumpu zinuti guzica za 100 milijardi (i onda jos potencijalnih 50) vojnih ugovora, tako da ce na to pristati, a ostalo ako sta bude i dobro je…

https://www.ft.com/content/8dad9c67-59d ... 1S_H1AtcOA

haj copy paste za nas sirotinju koji nemamo pretplatu na ft.

edit: nasao otkljucano na twiteru. nista posebno. slabo ko konkretno govori o teritorijama.

...At the conclusion of the meetings, I called President Putin, and began the arrangements for a meeting, at a location to be determined, between President Putin and President Zelenskyy. After that meeting takes place, we will have a Trilat, which would be the two Presidents, plus myself. Again, this was a very good, early step for a War that has been going on for almost four years. Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, are coordinating with Russia and Ukraine. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Čitalac wrote: ↑19/08/2025 00:33 Dakle, uskoro sastanak Zelenski - Putin.

...At the conclusion of the meetings, I called President Putin, and began the arrangements for a meeting, at a location to be determined, between President Putin and President Zelenskyy. After that meeting takes place, we will have a Trilat, which would be the two Presidents, plus myself. Again, this was a very good, early step for a War that has been going on for almost four years. Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, are coordinating with Russia and Ukraine. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

The phone conversation between Putin and Trump lasted about 40 minutes, - Ushakov said. Putin and Trump expressed support for direct negotiations between the delegations of Russia and Ukraine, Ushakov said. According to him, they discussed the idea of studying the possibility of raising the level of representatives of Moscow and Kyiv at the negotiations.