Ti si fakat poremećena.vjeshalica wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:26 pokazao je više puta da ima izrazenu empatiju za likove koji cine zločine,ima taj neki feeling da ih odbrani da se zauzme za njihovu sigurnost i bitisanje na ovoj zemlji
šta sve igra ulogu da muškarac siluje?saint_mirad wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:27nikad nije bilo ni sporno da žene raznih profila budu nekad silvoane. samo sporimo šta igra sve ulogu da neka žena ima veće ili manne šanse da bude silovana.U Indiji je bitno samo da postoji. Ne vjeruješ kakvi su indijci manijaci dok ne vidiš. Pogotovo ako su europljanke u pitanju. Ja sam bio u Delhiju, Agri i Goi, jedino je Goa koliko toliko normalna.
dosta toga, od same psihe muškarca, situacije, društva u kojem se nalazi...puno promenljivih.vjeshalica wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:28šta sve igra ulogu da muškarac siluje?saint_mirad wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:27
nikad nije bilo ni sporno da žene raznih profila budu nekad silvoane. samo sporimo šta igra sve ulogu da neka žena ima veće ili manne šanse da bude silovana.
Ma ove indijske prostitutke su stvarno za nepovjerovati. GOLE! SISE ISPALE! HODAJU U TANGAMA!saint_mirad wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:27prostitutke su outlier u indiji i svugde jer se prosečna žena iz bilo kojeg društva ne oblači kao prostitutka.
Najmanje sanse da bude silovana ima ona žena koja posjeduje Glock 23, te je spremna i zna ga koristiti.saint_mirad wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:27nikad nije bilo ni sporno da žene raznih profila budu nekad silvoane. samo sporimo šta igra sve ulogu da neka žena ima veće ili manne šanse da bude silovana.U Indiji je bitno samo da postoji. Ne vjeruješ kakvi su indijci manijaci dok ne vidiš. Pogotovo ako su europljanke u pitanju. Ja sam bio u Delhiju, Agri i Goi, jedino je Goa koliko toliko normalna.
Bloo wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:06 Kojim intelektom?Intelektom koji prepozna da je oblacenje odredenih pripadnica vrste Homo zapravo privlacenje pozeljnih reproduktivnih partnera (kao kod drugih vrsta), te da onda pripadnica svojim intelektom izabere od udvarača koji joj se sviđa? Ili mislimo na intelekt koji oblačenje odredenih pripadnica vrste Homo interpretira kao signal da go kurac može tamo bez obzira na slaganje7neslaganje primateljice tog ...hmm kurca...
Koji su u većini?
Koji su u manjini i zašto?
Da li i jedni i drugi pripadaju istoj vrsti? Ako da, da li cemo vrsiti izjednacavanje? Ako ne, zasto?Jer i jedne i druge privuce ista stvar. I s obzirom da se fokus stavlja na TU ISTU STVAR (u ovom slucaju oblacenje) a ne na bitno, onda cemo da se igramo nakrive logike i mozemo reci: to je nemoguce.
uglavnom fokus ti je na vanjske faktore,ali se puno ne osvrces na muskarca u suštini jer zapravo sve okolo je krivo što hoće da silujesaint_mirad wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:29
dosta toga, od same psihe muškarca, situacije, društva u kojem se nalazi...puno promenljivih.
a ja sam drugeMarlboroGold wrote: ↑23/02/2022 11:46Pa ovdje imaš 2 tabora već duži period tako da ne vidim problem u takvom oslovljavanju. To je činjenica. Ovdje su oduvijek jednu grupu činili wewa, Bloo, hadzinica, Karlinka, dale i još neki, a drugu Hakiz, Nihilo, Niemand, annoy, ja i drugi/e. Samo sam ja lično ovdje ispisao vjerovatno jedno dvije do tri hiljade postova, tako da to ne govorim bez razloga. S obzirom da više nisam toliko aktivan na ovom forumu vidim da imamo i nove kolače i na jednoj i na drugoj strani.cLo wrote: ↑23/02/2022 11:26
Ali kojih VAS? Zar zdrava komunikacija podrazumijeva vas i nas? Evo Hakiz je spomenuo lazne prijave, znaci nema opravdanja, nema iznimaka, nas i vas, uvijek sam na strani muskarca koji je lazno optuzen, jer je poremeceno u najmanju ruku nekoga lazno teretiti za ono sto nije ucinio.
Isto tako je poremeceno pravdati silovanje, posebno ako je u sustini motiv - mi protiv vas.
... koje sve izjave na zadnjih 20ak stranica tito dragi, to bi osuđivalo bez dokaza to bi prijavljivalo vješalo...histerija u fulu 
smešno je da nisi podvukla prvu stavku koja se tiče muškarca, a kad je prva navedena znači da je najvažnija. dosta govori o tebi.vjeshalica wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:31uglavnom fokus ti je na vanjske faktore,ali se puno ne osvrces na muskarca u suštini jer zapravo sve okolo je krivo što hoće da silujesaint_mirad wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:29
dosta toga, od same psihe muškarca, situacije, društva u kojem se nalazi...puno promenljivih.
ako zna da se brani, to je svakako od pomoći i to podržavam.Cregan wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:31Najmanje sanse da bude silovana ima ona žena koja posjeduje Glock 23, te je spremna i zna ga koristiti.saint_mirad wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:27
nikad nije bilo ni sporno da žene raznih profila budu nekad silvoane. samo sporimo šta igra sve ulogu da neka žena ima veće ili manne šanse da bude silovana.
Razlog sto sam ubacila darvinizam je sto je Marlboo spomenuo odredene pisce, pa i ja da se kurcim sa kojim poluintelektualnim upisom vlastitim.ejjus wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:31Bloo wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:06 Kojim intelektom?
Koji su u većini?
Koji su u manjini i zašto?
Da li i jedni i drugi pripadaju istoj vrsti? Ako da, da li cemo vrsiti izjednacavanje? Ako ne, zasto?
da razjasnim, zaboli mene taj go kurac konkretno za tematiku oblacenja, niti me zanima koji jad od misljenja su ovi forumasi nanijetili ovaj dan da brane, samo nisam ljubitelj toga da se bilo sta oko te teme objasni darvinizmom, jer sam naletio na odredjene pisce koji to stavljaju u drugi konteks,koji se se tice apsolutno svakoga, uz pitanje, zasto toliko lazemo kada je u pitanju sex? i ovo pitanje malo granici sa temom kontrole i moci, pa ih kompletno napusti,
ali kako se kaze, not the right place za ovu raspravu, mada ima tu interesantna perspektiva i o feminizmu,
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pogresno rezonujessaint_mirad wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:35smešno je da nisi podvukla prvu stavku koja se tiče muškarca, a kad je prva navedena znači da je najvažnija. dosta govori o tebi.vjeshalica wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:31
uglavnom fokus ti je na vanjske faktore,ali se puno ne osvrces na muskarca u suštini jer zapravo sve okolo je krivo što hoće da siluje
ermmmmMarlboroGold wrote: ↑23/02/2022 17:46E da još nešto čega sam se sjetio.hadzinicasa wrote: ↑23/02/2022 15:49
eto te k'o ravnozemljas
da ne ponavljam ono sto sam napisala na jednoj od predhodnih stranica o "strucnjacima opste prakse"
Fascinantno je da ti skrećeš pažnju na tako nešto i da se olako koristiš terminom nauka dok istovremeno dick pic svrstavaš u silovanje, a što si srčano branila na par stranica ove teme.
When we look at the mechanisms that might predispose men to rape in more or less the adaptive way that Thornhill and Palmer describe, rape no longer seems to be "in its very essence, a sexual act." Instead, men's propensity to rape seems to be in large part developmentally contingent on boys' and young men's subjective experience of risky and uncertain environments. These are environments in which the flow of material, but especially social and emotional resources is inadequate or unpredictable.
There is abundant evidence that the early subjective experience of too much risk and uncertainty (ie, chronic early stress or fear) predisposes young men (and women) to impulsiveness, a taste for risky activities, or a tendency to act too quickly without fully considering the consequences. For example, although it did not look specifically at rape, a study by James Dabbs of 4,462 men in the US found that a combination of high testosterone and growing up under difficult, stressful conditions was associated with having significantly more sex partners and a lower likelihood of ever marrying - but among the men who did marry, a significantly higher incidence of extramarital sex and violence against wives. These findings are doubly intriguing because men who grew up under more difficult conditions were also more likely to have high testosterone levels.
The point is that human rape is not only about sex or passing on genes. At the very least it is also about high levels of testosterone and impulsiveness, the all-too-common consequences of growing up in risky and uncertain environments. And it is in precisely such environments that the most pressing adaptive problem would be passing on one's genes. When the flow of resources is inadequate or unpredictable, the risk of death is high. When the future is objectively risky and unsure, it can be evolutionarily rational to take even huge risks for just a small chance at passing on one's genes. Even scorpionflies do this. "Giftless males," who lack access to the resources that are attractive to female scorpionflies, take a chance at "rape," which is a chancy, second-best option, because "when females are willing, males are much more likely to achieve penetration and sperm transfer."
If rape is not all about sex (even in scorpionflies) then Thornhill and Palmer's policy of preventing rape by having women dress more sensibly is not likely to "really work." On the other hand, if rape is even partly about growing up under conditions of chronic risk and uncertainty, where access to material and social-emotional resources is inadequate and unpredictable, then maybe we should think of ways to reduce the risk and uncertainty that people encounter while they are growing up. Because inequality (including power differentials) is probably the major source of risk and uncertainty in peoples' lives then perhaps we should reduce inequality. Of course we didn't need evolutionary theory to tell us that inequality is wrong, but it's gratifying to discover that it offers reason to believe that by reducing inequality we might reduce the incidence of rape. We believe that our only scientific theory of life, far from being the racist, sexist brute of fearful imaginations, can help us think of even more ways to identify and realise our deepest social and political goals.
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/m/merlinos/c ... rbank.html
O ovome ja govorim sve vrijeme. Da silovanje nije uzrokovano ni motivirano vanjskim podrazajem vec internim procesima.piupiu wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:57When we look at the mechanisms that might predispose men to rape in more or less the adaptive way that Thornhill and Palmer describe, rape no longer seems to be "in its very essence, a sexual act." Instead, men's propensity to rape seems to be in large part developmentally contingent on boys' and young men's subjective experience of risky and uncertain environments. These are environments in which the flow of material, but especially social and emotional resources is inadequate or unpredictable.
There is abundant evidence that the early subjective experience of too much risk and uncertainty (ie, chronic early stress or fear) predisposes young men (and women) to impulsiveness, a taste for risky activities, or a tendency to act too quickly without fully considering the consequences. For example, although it did not look specifically at rape, a study by James Dabbs of 4,462 men in the US found that a combination of high testosterone and growing up under difficult, stressful conditions was associated with having significantly more sex partners and a lower likelihood of ever marrying - but among the men who did marry, a significantly higher incidence of extramarital sex and violence against wives. These findings are doubly intriguing because men who grew up under more difficult conditions were also more likely to have high testosterone levels.
The point is that human rape is not only about sex or passing on genes. At the very least it is also about high levels of testosterone and impulsiveness, the all-too-common consequences of growing up in risky and uncertain environments. And it is in precisely such environments that the most pressing adaptive problem would be passing on one's genes. When the flow of resources is inadequate or unpredictable, the risk of death is high. When the future is objectively risky and unsure, it can be evolutionarily rational to take even huge risks for just a small chance at passing on one's genes. Even scorpionflies do this. "Giftless males," who lack access to the resources that are attractive to female scorpionflies, take a chance at "rape," which is a chancy, second-best option, because "when females are willing, males are much more likely to achieve penetration and sperm transfer."
If rape is not all about sex (even in scorpionflies) then Thornhill and Palmer's policy of preventing rape by having women dress more sensibly is not likely to "really work." On the other hand, if rape is even partly about growing up under conditions of chronic risk and uncertainty, where access to material and social-emotional resources is inadequate and unpredictable, then maybe we should think of ways to reduce the risk and uncertainty that people encounter while they are growing up. Because inequality (including power differentials) is probably the major source of risk and uncertainty in peoples' lives then perhaps we should reduce inequality. Of course we didn't need evolutionary theory to tell us that inequality is wrong, but it's gratifying to discover that it offers reason to believe that by reducing inequality we might reduce the incidence of rape. We believe that our only scientific theory of life, far from being the racist, sexist brute of fearful imaginations, can help us think of even more ways to identify and realise our deepest social and political goals.
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/m/merlinos/c ... rbank.html
Da sam ja ovo postao, opet bih bio napadnut da branim zločince jer kao nisu oni krivi, živitni uslovi su ih takvim učinili.piupiu wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:57When we look at the mechanisms that might predispose men to rape in more or less the adaptive way that Thornhill and Palmer describe, rape no longer seems to be "in its very essence, a sexual act." Instead, men's propensity to rape seems to be in large part developmentally contingent on boys' and young men's subjective experience of risky and uncertain environments. These are environments in which the flow of material, but especially social and emotional resources is inadequate or unpredictable.
There is abundant evidence that the early subjective experience of too much risk and uncertainty (ie, chronic early stress or fear) predisposes young men (and women) to impulsiveness, a taste for risky activities, or a tendency to act too quickly without fully considering the consequences. For example, although it did not look specifically at rape, a study by James Dabbs of 4,462 men in the US found that a combination of high testosterone and growing up under difficult, stressful conditions was associated with having significantly more sex partners and a lower likelihood of ever marrying - but among the men who did marry, a significantly higher incidence of extramarital sex and violence against wives. These findings are doubly intriguing because men who grew up under more difficult conditions were also more likely to have high testosterone levels...
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/m/merlinos/c ... rbank.html
Mozeno_sikiriki wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:53Šta, da slikam mužev i pošaljem nekom forumašu? How does this work? Intriguing.
ukrasi ga malkice i ne hapliciraj filtere da bude ljepsi, duzi, cvrsci! au naturelleJedino što je podatak pogrešno interpretiran, da ne kažem netačan. Prvo, silovanje se još uvijek nedovoljno prijavljuje. Silovanje svoga djeteta će vjerovatno svako prijaviti (ako prethodno ne rastavi silovatelja od života), silovanje sebe u kontekstu bračne zajednice, na primjer, malo rjedje. Imaš primjer Holandije, gdje 45% žena tvrdi da je bilo žrtvom seksualnog nasilja - da ne ulazimo u analize, tu se ne radi o darvinističkoj orijentaciji prema tinejdžerkama već o širem društvenom problemu.Bloo wrote: ↑23/02/2022 19:40 Podatak da se najviše siluju djevojčice i mlađe žene je normalan sa point of view darvinizma.
S obzirom da muškarci koji nisu silovatelji većinom biraju mlađe partnerice jer su iste plodnije, zdravije, da ne spominjemo ljepotu i ostalo, logično je da taj primarni nagon postoji i kod silovatelja.
Mislim da nisi u pravu. Ja sam se referirala samo na jednu grupu koja se ovdje spominje a to su djevojke i mlade zene i oko te grupe elaborirala svoj stav. da silovanje pripadnica te grupa od strane jedne kategorije silovatelja je sasvim prirodno i razumljivo.piupiu wrote: ↑23/02/2022 21:47Jedino što je podatak pogrešno interpretiran, da ne kažem netačan. Prvo, silovanje se još uvijek nedovoljno prijavljuje. Silovanje svoga djeteta će vjerovatno svako prijaviti (ako prethodno ne rastavi silovatelja od života), silovanje sebe u kontekstu bračne zajednice, na primjer, malo rjedje. Imaš primjer Holandije, gdje 45% žena tvrdi da je bilo žrtvom seksualnog nasilja - da ne ulazimo u analize, tu se ne radi o darvinističkoj orijentaciji prema tinejdžerkama već o širem društvenom problemu.Bloo wrote: ↑23/02/2022 19:40 Podatak da se najviše siluju djevojčice i mlađe žene je normalan sa point of view darvinizma.
S obzirom da muškarci koji nisu silovatelji većinom biraju mlađe partnerice jer su iste plodnije, zdravije, da ne spominjemo ljepotu i ostalo, logično je da taj primarni nagon postoji i kod silovatelja.
Po zemljama tipa Južna Afrika, Brazil, Indija, Nigerija, Pakistan, Indonezija, pa i Amerika i Francuska... gdje je gang rape all the rage - silovanje je 'grupni sport' u kojem učestvuju mahom mladi muškarci. Tu se radi o njihovom testosteronu i agresivnosti, i, vrlo bitno - zabavi, a ne o mjerama opstanka.
Imaš anketa po Kini gdje se silovanje (obično u porodičnom kontekstu), objašnjava bračnim pravom i kaznenim 'orudjem'. I silovanja djevojčica od 6,7,8 godina, posebno u Indiji, djevojčica sa mentalnim oboljenjima, nepokretnih osoba, muškaraca (PNG), baka i deka (bila je velika istraga u Australiji oko masovnog seksualnog zlostavljanja štićenika staračkih domova, gdje se u prosjeku desi oko 50 silovanja staraca u domovima sedmično).
Dakle, motivi i žrtve i dobne grupe su vrlo raznolike. Tako da je taj darvinistički pristup zapravo jedan redukcionistički pogled na problem silovanja iz kojeg proizilaze razni mitovi.
ja sam, kad bih dobila dick pic, liku slala kao odgovor jedan iz galerije prethodno dobijenih od nekog drugog.Bloo wrote: ↑23/02/2022 21:20Mozeno_sikiriki wrote: ↑23/02/2022 20:53
Šta, da slikam mužev i pošaljem nekom forumašu? How does this work? Intriguing.
malo bi se nasli uvrijedjenim