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#20601 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:14
by Kaligula I
http://www.globalresearch.ca/continu...t-mh17/5398174

http://www.opednews.com/articles/MH-...40824-786.html

...iza ovoga stoje Barrosove kolege po moralu, odnosno nemoralu...ako Putin ne razvali ovo 'zmijsko leglo' neće niko živ...


"Rusija trazi razjasnjenje o letu i padu aviona MH 17.

Vanjski ministar Lavrov u Moskvi se pokazuje uzrujan o gubitku interesa međunarodne zajednice razjašnjenja pada aviona MH 17. On traži saopštenje radio prenosa ukrainske zračne prometne kontrole i pilota koje su pod ključem Ukrajine. (Zatražilo se i pred UN-om)

http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrich...von-flug-mh17/

Do dan danas ovo mediji nisu preveli ili stavili ovaj razgovor u centar pažnje; razgovor između Nuland (Fuck the EU) i Payette.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIiYQNOYUVg [/youtube]

...tu nešto opasno smrdi...

#20602 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:14
by Challenger__
fridmann wrote:A ko je uopste i vjerovao u ispravnost tih glasina ?
Nije niko ko ima dva grama mozga. Međutim, pogledaj ovu temu pa ćeš vidjeti koliko je ovaca.

#20603 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:14
by pici
fridmann wrote:
pici wrote:
fridmann wrote:Jarane @pici, jesil' obezbijedio drva za zimu, od sajuza ce i nama ove zime za gas biti "Njet".
jebo drva ona su za potpale...kreka-banovići Ćumur fercera, ništa brez domaČeg goriva...davnih dana sam ja plinovod nabiJo nogom u gujcu...hem skup hem mi treba brdo para da ugrijem kuću su tri sprata :mrgreen:
Banovicki cumur je uistinu najbolji, al' nesretna glavo, ko te navrati da ides toliko u visinu sa kucom ?
djeca rastu pa unučad pa ...ma to je duga prića :mrgreen:

#20604 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:17
by Kaligula I
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uisl4gqfIl0 [/youtube]

...bogami ako je ovaj snimak autentičan onda se sprema velika pizdarija...ovo nije nimalo naivno...

#20605 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:31
by Challenger__
Opet uništena Ukro-tehnika. Ovaj put Lutugino (LNR).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQnnAQCuHCQ&

Čime ih ovako ugljenišu? Sistemi Grad? Bože sačuvaj...

#20606 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:34
by Kaligula I
pici wrote:
fridmann wrote:
pici wrote:
jebo drva ona su za potpale...kreka-banovići Ćumur fercera, ništa brez domaČeg goriva...davnih dana sam ja plinovod nabiJo nogom u gujcu...hem skup hem mi treba brdo para da ugrijem kuću su tri sprata :mrgreen:
Banovicki cumur je uistinu najbolji, al' nesretna glavo, ko te navrati da ides toliko u visinu sa kucom ?
djeca rastu pa unučad pa ...ma to je duga prića :mrgreen:
...valjda ćeš se uozbiljit kad dočekaš praunučad :D ...s obzirom da si već ostario, ne bi bilo loše da ćumur zamjeniš perlitom...čist zrak će ti dobro doći za to malo 'noćne gimnastike' :lol: :lol: ...

#20607 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:41
by pici
bogumi spremte zemunice...zatrebat će :oops:

SAD NASTAVLjAJU SA PRIPREMAMA VOJNIH MANEVARA U UKRAJINI
SAD nastavljaju sa priprema za vojne manevre "Brzi trozubac" u zapadnoj Ukrajini koji će trajati od 16. do 26. septembra i na kom će, pored ukrajisnkih snaga, učestvovati najmanje 1.000 vojnika iz NATO i drugih zemalja.

Ovi manevri bili su prethodno zakazani za jul, ali su zbog rata na istoku zemlje pomereni. Ukoliko se manevri održe to će biti prvi put da američka vojska, zvanično, dolazi u Ukrajinu.

#20608 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:42
by Kaligula I
Challenger__ wrote:Opet uništena Ukro-tehnika. Ovaj put Lutugino (LNR).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQnnAQCuHCQ&

Čime ih ovako ugljenišu? Sistemi Grad? Bože sačuvaj...

...mogu čim hoće kada ih hvataju u kotlove...toliko su naivni da je to čudo jedno...ova taktika se graniči s nacionalnom izdajom...fino lijepo mi ih dođe žao zbog te naivnosti...evo još jednog kotlića..

http://rusvesna.su/news/1409683029

#20609 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:46
by Kaligula I
pici wrote:bogumi spremte zemunice...zatrebat će :oops:

SAD NASTAVLjAJU SA PRIPREMAMA VOJNIH MANEVARA U UKRAJINI
SAD nastavljaju sa priprema za vojne manevre "Brzi trozubac" u zapadnoj Ukrajini koji će trajati od 16. do 26. septembra i na kom će, pored ukrajisnkih snaga, učestvovati najmanje 1.000 vojnika iz NATO i drugih zemalja.

Ovi manevri bili su prethodno zakazani za jul, ali su zbog rata na istoku zemlje pomereni. Ukoliko se manevri održe to će biti prvi put da američka vojska, zvanično, dolazi u Ukrajinu.

...dobar prijedlog, ali u nezgodno vrijeme...poplava uništila skloništa...

#20610 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:48
by Kaligula I
...da institucionalni fašizam nije šala evo dobrog primjera...

http://rt.com/news/184456-ukraine-parli ... criticism/

#20611 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 00:53
by Challenger__
pici wrote:bogumi spremte zemunice...zatrebat će :oops:

SAD NASTAVLjAJU SA PRIPREMAMA VOJNIH MANEVARA U UKRAJINI
SAD nastavljaju sa priprema za vojne manevre "Brzi trozubac" u zapadnoj Ukrajini koji će trajati od 16. do 26. septembra i na kom će, pored ukrajisnkih snaga, učestvovati najmanje 1.000 vojnika iz NATO i drugih zemalja.

Ovi manevri bili su prethodno zakazani za jul, ali su zbog rata na istoku zemlje pomereni. Ukoliko se manevri održe to će biti prvi put da američka vojska, zvanično, dolazi u Ukrajinu.
Sve se to kod tebe pomiješalo, Pici. "Rapid Trident" se održava u Ukrajini još od 2008 godine. Ove godine je trebao da se dešava na Krimu, u Svesastopolju, ali je nešto zapelo ( :lol: ). Kako stvari stoje, ovo će biti jubilarni, posljednji "Trident". Što su vježbali, vježbali su.
Dubbed "Rapid Trident," the ground maneuvers have been held annually for a number of years with forces from Britain and other NATO countries as well as Ukraine, which has a partner relationship with NATO but is not a member.
LINK

#20612 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 01:04
by Kaligula I
...Cheli, raspolažeš li nekom mapom o trenutnom stanju na terenu?...

#20613 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 01:16
by Challenger__
Nemam novije od ove:

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- S tim što se stanje izmjenilo na gore po Ukre u nekoliko džepova i po ustanike oko Gorlovke. Naime, izgleda da su bezuspješno forsilrali Svjetlodarsk (sjveroistočno od Gorlovke, vidi se na mapi), a sa krajnjom namjerom da dođu iza leđa snagama koje napadaju Gorlovku. Nisu uspjeli.
MY TAKE: The inability of the NAF to take and HOLD #Svitlodarsk has been a huge tactical failure causing strategic consequences 4 #Gorlovka
Ovo je jedina nerealizovana zamisao, sa štetom koja se mora saniratii, a na svim ostalim pravcima im "ide od ruke".

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Viktorija Šilova, Dnjepropetrovsk.

(nota: koga zaista interesuje istina, neka pažljivo sasluša ili pročita ovo javno obraćenje, neka dobro zapamti ovo lice i njeno ime i prezime)



"zamijenili smo vladu lopova sa vladom oligarha - ubica"
Hello, my name is Victoria Shilova, I’m a member of the Ukrainian Parliament, representing the Dnepropetrovskaya district. I will speak in Russian, so all the Slavic brothers could understand me.

I

So, do Ukrainian people want war?

Please ask yourself this question first. Do you want war? Do you want innocent people to die? Do you want your relatives, family members, kids, husband or wife, your grandmother or grandfather to be killed? I’m one hundred per cent sure that your answer is NO.

Then what, for the past 4 months, has happened in Ukraine? I call it a civil war, definitely not any anti-terror operation. In my eyes, only swat teams or anti-terror units could perform an anti-terror operation. How could be possible living over eight million terrorist in Donbass?

Eight million terrorists, on its (own Ukrainian) soil, that is what Poroshenko is calling. Including infants and elderly people. What do you think, can a disabled person fire an anti-air defence system? Or may be it is an infant, like Egor Aleksandrov, who got killed in his mother’s arms. Simply killed near Kramatorsk city, was he holding a gun? Of course not.

Today the murderers are in our government.

We, the Ukranian People, replaced Yanukovich-the-thief (the former president) with Poroshenko the killer! And today, our government think that the majority of Ukrainian people are brainwashed by the propaganda of the national television. I would like to disappoint them: the latest independent social poll [show that] 75% of the Ukrainian people are against the war.

Most of them are afraid to say their opinion in public, because they could be imprisoned, interrogated, kidnapped or even killed Anything can happen in Ukraine today, because we replaced thieves with killers!

So, what happens in Donbass? 8 million people are under fire; they call me a terrorist, but what they will say of what the Ukranian soldiers from the 72nd, 79th and 24th brigades are doing, when they come back? What does Nadezhda Savchenko say? Right, she says that in Donbass do live the same Ukrainians, our brothers, same people that live in Lviv, in Ivano-Frankovsk and in Kiev, and they are definitely not terrorists!

They are rebels, miners, and our citizens. But of course this is not shown on our national TV. Just because all these TV channels are owned by oligarchs! All of our national TV is owned by our biggest enemy-oligarchs.

And the oligarchs?

They are bloodsuckers. Like vampires, they suck our blood, the blood of Ukraine’s people.

For 23 years they have sucked our soul, but it is not enough for them. And now from virtual bloodsucking they have come to suck real blood, the blood of our children in Donbass, the blood of our mothers and sisters, of our sons, husbands and wives.

On the real number of casualties in the Ukraine war:

Do you know what are the real numbers of killed civilians? I will tell you. And it is the truth. There are about 6,000 civilians killed. Everyday about 170 to 200 people are being killed. The Ukrainian army is killing them with 122mm multiple rocket launchers, just because they are being told they are fighting Russian terrorists. Just because so were told by Porosenko and the national TV.

But as time passes our army realizes what it is really happening in Donbass. And everybody who has experienced the bloody war is now starting to tell the truth; against Poroshenko. They say that in Donbass they confront Ukranian people. They say that we should start negotiations. We should stop this bloody civil war.

And now. Let’s talk about casualties in the Ukrainian army:

It is about 11,000 lost soldiers. It can be proved by hacked e-mail of the Ukrainian ministry of defence. And about 19,000 if we count lost and injured soldiers.

Injured that are in hospital; but what about injured that were left behind?

And what about others, who say the truth, and being sent to mental hospitals?

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II

Ukrainians, Ukrainian people around the world: I beg you to break the Ukrainian propaganda.

My heart suffers for people from Lviv, Drobovoche, Lugansk and Donetsk.

But today my heart hurts for people of Donetsk and Lugansk. Because children are being killed there.

And now mothers, I ask you, what would you say to this new president if your house is ruined, or worse, if your children were killed?

Would you support him? Of course not. That’s why his support is falling down, and it will continue to fall, because he is covered in blood.

And when deaths of innocent people are higher than 22,000 – including the army’s – it is impossible to hide the truth. The truth is coming out by itself and that is why we start to see a different point of view. Not only in Russia, but as well in Europe and USA. German journalists, British, Italian, and French are protesting against the war in Donbass, againts Poroshenko – who kills his own people. So what did we do, and what I, Viktoria Shilova, did? We prepared a document and gave it to the best independent lawyers in Ukraine, for them to address this matter upon our courts. And do you know what is written there?

We demand to be ruled that it is unconstitutional to perform the so-called anti-terror operation in Donbass. We demand to prosecute the people who are involved in breaking our constitution; the members of the Ukrainian Parliament who unlawfully voted in congress. They, unlawfully, approved the petitions signed by Poroshenko on the so called anti-terror operation. This constitutes unlawfully use of the Ukrainian Army against the civilian population of Ukraine.

We don’t have war. We have not officially declared martial war. Since the Martial law is not officially in effect, how could you use Ukrainian army on the territory of Donbass? Unlawful use of military reserve. And by the constitution, any Ukrainian citizen can defend himself against any aggression, protect his life.

An army cannot harm its own citizens on its soil. And it is written in our constitution. Please open this golden book, the constitution book, and see for yourself. But unfortunately we replaced the government of thieves with the government of murderers. And now blood spills all over in our country, Ukraine.

I’m addressing to all people of Ukraine.

To all who respect Bogdan Hmelnickiy, Taras Shevchenko, and to all who remember the Yellow-Blue flag created by Grushevskiy. I’m addressing to all the 75 per cent of Ukrainians who are against the war, who are for peace:

We should unite and demand the new elected government to respect the law and the constitution.

Stop the so-called anti-terror operation, the bloody civil war. And start negotiating. Do provide humanitarian aid; do help people survive the catastrophe.

To those fighting along with Poroshenko:

Why are you fighting along with Poroshenko against children of Donbass?

You can’t do it, for you will be prosecuted. People pay the price for these inhuman errors. Hague tribunal is waiting for you. That’s why our army wouldn’t listen to you anymore. And that’s why military mobilization doesn’t help you anymore. Day by day, people realize and find the truth, they don’t want to be part of your murders.

To the oligarchs:

You, who accumulate your capital everyday, started this war. You are the one who need this war, because then you can blame war for the economic crisis, for all what really started the war. Ukraine is in bloodshed now, thanks to you.

But Ukrainian people are against the war. Ukrainians don’t want the war.

But we want peace.

III

People:
Please, let’s unite.
Let’s protest against this war. Let us be heard, just like during the Vietnam War.
izvor - LINK

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- Paralamentarka Elena Bondarenko:

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- Tražila je minutu šutnje za "mirne žitelje Donbasa, hiljade mrtvih koji su žrtve 'ATO' ", pa je potom izložila osudi granatiranje koje je dovelo do ovih žrtava.



Prekinuo je Turčinov, optužujući je da "širi rusku propagandu".

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- Koji je razlog propasti Ukro-armije? Imaginarna "ruska invazija" (koje nema niti je ikada bilo) ili nešto drugo? Odgovor iz ugla bivšeg kanadskog oficira:
ANYONE who believes #Ukraine was handed their arse due to #Russia forces doesn't understand that Ukraine tactics were suicidal #cdnpoli
izvor - Brad Cabana

#20614 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 07:02
by Drvenija87
Die Welt-Buducnost Rusije na putu za pakao http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/a ... gehen.html
Ruska umijesanost ( rat ) u Ukrajini ,gradjane Rusije kosta 20 miliona rubalja za sat vremena.

Pocetak skolske godine u Rusiji- Kamchatka
http://images.aif.ru/004/466/c6124e0d1c ... cbdbeb.jpg
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Uz sve ekonomske nevolje ,eskalacijom sukoba sirih razmjera sa Zapadom,Putinu ce uskoro na Kavkazu i zloglasni Islamisti pokucati na vrata.

#20615 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 07:47
by Bodkin
pravo jak argument :D da postavimo slike skola iz americkog geta, sta mislis?

#20616 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 08:54
by daxon
Preliminarni izveštaj o uzrocima pada aviona je skoro kompletiran, rekla je danas za rusku agenciju predstavnica holandskog odbora za bezbednost Sara Vernoij dodajući da će to biti okončano ili krajem ove sedmice ili početkom naredne.

Vernoij je rekla da će preliminarni izveštaj baciti izvesno svetlo na uzrok tragedije, ali da će mnoga pitanja ostati bez odgovora. Ona je dodala da bi rezultati detaljnije istrage mogli da budu objavljeni na proleće naredne godine.
Kako ofirno ovo guraju pod tepih i žele da se ovo što prije zaboravi, u stilu "vrijeme liječi sve" :roll:
Sada, kada imaju dokaze u rukama, kada naslućuju pravog krivca i kada su svjesni da za obaranje malezijskog aviona ne mogu argumentovano optužiti ni Ruse, a ni proruse, sada bi voljeli da se sve fino zaboravi i da se ne talasa...

Kada se samo sjetim kada je oboren avion, nije još bio ni dotaknu tlo, a već su vikali oborili ga Rusi, oborili ga prorusi, te imaju dokaze, imaju snimke bla bla bla..., a vidi ih sada, klepili ušima i kao "pojeo vuk kenjca", koji jadovi od ljudi da ne povjeruješ :-?

#20617 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 09:05
by romeomoraprezivjeti
Dobra ova Viktorija:-D Zivjele zene ukrajine!!!!:-) Juce u Promajni,u malom mjestu pored Makarske,vidim 3 vozila sa ukr.tablicama. Ja se pravo iznenadio, i to sve neki sega mega terenci,vrijedni stotine hiljada eura. Rat u Ukrajini,a oni se sepure po jadranu?!:-S fakat ta situacija tamo,dobiva neku sasvim drugu dimenziju.

#20618 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 10:05
by sumirprimus
Kaligula I wrote:
...valjda ćeš se uozbiljit kad dočekaš praunučad :D ...s obzirom da si već ostario, ne bi bilo loše da ćumur zamjeniš perlitom...čist zrak će ti dobro doći za to malo 'noćne gimnastike' :lol: :lol: ...
perlitom?mislis peletom?nije mala zajebancija :D

#20619 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 10:14
by animus
Kaligula I wrote:
Challenger__ wrote:Opet uništena Ukro-tehnika. Ovaj put Lutugino (LNR).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQnnAQCuHCQ&

Čime ih ovako ugljenišu? Sistemi Grad? Bože sačuvaj...

...mogu čim hoće kada ih hvataju u kotlove...toliko su naivni da je to čudo jedno...ova taktika se graniči s nacionalnom izdajom...fino lijepo mi ih dođe žao zbog te naivnosti...evo još jednog kotlića..

http://rusvesna.su/news/1409683029
Naivan si ti kad vjerujes u rusku propagandu. Cuj naziva kotlic. Ta imenica nema takvo znacenje kod nas. Hajde na srbijanske forume pa raspravljajte jer ne razumijemo te vase nazive. Koliko ste "kotlica" ovdje naveli cudi me da je u Ukrajini iko ziv ostao. Nisam primjetio da su pobunjenici (Rusi) zauzeli i jedan veci grad a toliko ste se digli. I ova prica da je Mariupolj okruzen ne pije vode jer ljudi javljaju da normalno dolaze u taj grad i da nema Rusa ni blizu grada.

#20620 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 10:21
by animus
romeomoraprezivjeti wrote:Dobra ova Viktorija:-D Zivjele zene ukrajine!!!!:-) Juce u Promajni,u malom mjestu pored Makarske,vidim 3 vozila sa ukr.tablicama. Ja se pravo iznenadio, i to sve neki sega mega terenci,vrijedni stotine hiljada eura. Rat u Ukrajini,a oni se sepure po jadranu?!:-S fakat ta situacija tamo,dobiva neku sasvim drugu dimenziju.
Viktorija je avion. Ukrajinke su stvarno uvijek bile najljepse zene. Jos i nisu nesto komplikovane. Predlozio bi im da bjeze kod nas. Naci ce se mjesta u svakoj kuci za jednu. Vratit cemo dok se rat zavrsi.

#20621 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 10:40
by mala-mina
Porošenko i Putin se čuli telefonom i dogovorili primirje, e sad detalja još nema, ali vjerovatno će se ubrzo saznati šta je sve dogovoreno, vjerovatno neka autonomija za donbas u okviru UKR ili federalizacija i decentralizacija, ali ostanak ist. Ukrajine u sastavu UKR.

#20622 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 10:50
by pici
sto znaci da je rusija napala nezavisnu zemlju pomazuci teroriste...nekako mi deja vu... :oops:

#20623 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 10:54
by mala-mina
i na CNN javljaju da je to zapravo poraz Porošenka, jer je prekid kako je on to nazvao ATO uslijedio nakon niza vojnih poraza i pretpostavlja CNN-ov novinar da je morao dati mnoge ustupke "teroristima" kako ih je on donedavno zvao (mada odna je svih 8 miliona stanovnika Donbasa za njega bilo teroristi :roll: ).
Uglavnom za par dana će sve biti puno jasnije, ali Ukrajina će definitivno promjeniti državno uređenje to je sad svima jasno, čak i Porošenku.

#20624 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 10:57
by animus
Eto sada da bude jasno svima ko je vodio rat u Ukrajini. Sve je sada jasno. Rusi nisu imali muda da udju dublje u rat a Ukrajinci jos uvijek nemaju snage da oslobode zemlju. Pitanje je do kada ce ovo potrajati jer nista nije rijeseno i moguce da se ovo iskoristi za pripreme za dalji rat a mozda ostane i stanje status quo kao u Gruziji i Moldaviji.

#20625 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 03/09/2014 11:05
by pici
naguzit ruje na proljece ako bogda inshallah...sad izvrsiti manerve sa saveznikom NATOm i prec na njihovo nauruzanje i doktrinu pa rujama jebat mater za sva vremena...SLAVA UKRAINI !!!