jeza u ledja wrote:Nego hajmo ovako.
Sta vi mislite sta je konacni cilj Izraela? Sta mislite imaju li oni kakav dugorocan, smislen i jedinstven plan i sta bi htjeli da bude konacno rjesenje?
ja bih to isto voljela znati. evo, ja malo zarovoh, doduse po wikipediji ali ne bih vise vremena ni trosila, i pogledah rezultate zadnjih izbora u izraelu. meni indikativno i interesantno. uzela sam privih nekoliko stranaka koje su osvojile vise od 200,000 glasova.
Kadima 1 690,901 22.02% - desna orijentacija, Livni primjer, i ovo su im neki od ciljeva. ne nazire se bas mirovna opcija iz ovog dole navedenog.
# The Israeli nation has a national and historic right to the whole of Israel. However, in order to maintain a Jewish majority, part of the Land of Israel must be given up to maintain a Jewish and democratic state.
# Israel shall remain a Jewish state and homeland. Jewish majority in Israel will be preserved by territorial concessions to Palestinians.
# Jerusalem and large settlement blocks in the West Bank will be kept under Israeli control.
# The Israeli national agenda to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and achieve two states for two nations will be the road map. It will be carried out in stages: dismantling terror organizations, collecting firearms, implementing security reforms in the Palestinian Authority, and preventing incitement. At the end of the process, a demilitarized Palestinian state devoid of terror will be established.
Labour-Meimad 2 472,366 15.06% - koalicija
Labour cionisti (kaze wikipedia lijevi centar)
Meimad cionisti (ljevica)
Shas 299,054 9.53% (koliko uhavizah konzervativci sa velikodusnim socijalnim programima)
"Its policy regarding the Israeli Arab conflict has been relatively flexible, although it generally supports the Greater Israel consolidation movement united under the crown of the Mizrahi Torah, in accordance to HaMaran Rabbi Ovadia Yosef's flexible foreign policy derivatives. They have never taken active measures to support the Gush Emunim movement and do not strongly favor the Israeli settlements, on which they are closer in policy to Agudat Yisrael than the Tkuma or Jewish National Front. "
Likud 3 281,996 8.989% (ove nemam sta opisivati)
Yisrael Beiteinu 4 281,880 8.985%
"It takes a hard line towards Arab citizens of Israel and other Palestinians for their perceived denial of the right of the Jewish State to exist through maintenance of a Jewish majority in Israel. Its main platform involves reducing the amount of Arab citizens by redrawing the borders with a future Palestinian state, in conjunction with efforts to increase Jewish immigration. "
National Union - National Religious Party 224,083 7.14% koalicija
National Union (neka gadna konzervativna desnica koliko uspjeh razumjeti)
The party has a joint platform, and in particular it supports the settlement of all the Land of Israel, advocates the use of more military power in the War on terror and harsher measures against Palestinian terrorism. It rejects all current Oslo-based peace efforts — which it sees as dangerous to Israel — and the notion of what it calls a "22nd Arab state". The party instead advocates voluntary transfer of the Arabs from the West Bank, though it has been vague as to how this could be implemented.
National Religious Party (ovi jos gori izgleda)
The NRP's views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be summarized as:
* There will only be one state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea – the State of Israel. No independent national Arab entity (such as a putative Palestinian state) will exist within these borders
* No part of Israel will be given over to a foreign government or authority.
However, the party does agree to giving the Palestinian Arabs self-governing autonomy, subject to Israel's authority only in matters of security and foreign affairs (such as in borders and diplomacy), without the dismantling of the Jewish settlements.
znam da ljudi glasaju za stranke na osnovu njihovih platformi glede internih pitanja i uredjenja drzave, ali ko od ovih bi mogao pregovarati, razgovarati i predstavljati izrael u nekom mirovnom procesu s palestincima? ko od ovih ZELI mirovno rjesenje koje bi odgovaralo i Palestini? ne da mi se racunati ali, recimo, da ove stranke predstavljaju 1,8 milijuna ljudi u izraelu i po njihovim ideologijama i platformama sto se tice palestinskog "pitanja" nigdje ne vidim pozitivnu opciju. kako Hamas ili bilo koji drugi predstavnik palestinaca da pregovara sa ovakvim stavovima glede Palestine?
moze li mi neko objasniti sta se to treba u izraelu desiti da ova, vecinom, konzervativna desnica makne s vlasti?
evo, @oshtro i na prvu hoces li mi ti pojasniti?
je na putu, sporom, ali dugom ( 
), prema Evropi, pa ce i parlamentarna/sistemska blokada, i biznis tipa ti meni - ja tebi, jednog dana morati prestati, a ovi sto su se nakrali morace (vidi koji sam ja idealist) pred zakonom odgovarati.
(ne znam kako drukcije da to nazovem ali tako je). Ovo sad funkcionisu na 'islamskim teroristickim poenima'. Sve do jednom, kad se i zapad okrene protiv njih.
