?shuriken wrote:jel reko Semke da mu je egipatski jaran zavrsio u murji?
Ko mu je egipatski jaran u muriji?
?shuriken wrote:jel reko Semke da mu je egipatski jaran zavrsio u murji?
----------------------Hipatija wrote:BOSANSKE PIRAMIDE MAMAC ZA TURISTE U APRILU
27.04.2011
Autobusi s registracijama Krapine, Gospića, Rijeke, Celja, Murske Sobote, veći broj gostiju iz Holandije, Brazila i Belgije, individualni gosti iz Crne Gore, Srbije, Hrvatske, Mađarske, Slovenije, Švedske, SAD, ali i svih krajeva Bosne i Hercegovine, neumorno dolaze na arheološke lokacije u Visokom na kojima radi Fondacija. Najveći interes privlači podzemni labirint “Ravne” i otkrića u ovom misterioznom podzemnom kompleksu.
ZATVOREN ROK ZA PRIJAVE VOLONTERA ZA “MRAV”
27.04.2011
S obzirom da je već premašen kapacitet smještaja prijavljenih volontera za Međunarodnu radnu akciju volonera “MRAV Bosanske piramide 2011.” zatvara se rok za prijave sa 26. aprilom 2011.
Tipicno nepismeno, mora biti sa stranica FoMdacije.Hipatija wrote: Autobusi s registracijama Krapine {itd ...} neumorno dolaze na arheološke lokacije u Visokom na kojima radi Fondacija.
Opa, sto se nerviras?Hipatija wrote:Jedno brdo ili više brda (love)? Ukoliko si upućen u prihode (izvori) i rashode (po stavkama) baš bi me interesovala jedna cjelovita i konkretna informacija na tu temu. Ukoliko nisi upućen onda - "ZAVEŽI"!
Tebe pitam ( vidim da su upućen): Koliko tačno iznosi ta "silna lova"?! Gdje si to saznao?Amidza Efendija wrote:
Opa, sto se nerviras?
Svemirko je digao silnu lovu iz budzeta u proteklih 5 godina,...
PODZEMNI LABIRINT “RAVNE” – KULTNA ARHEOLOŠKA DESTINACIJAGreat Cornholio wrote:Opa, dolaze stranci, biće para
Svi oni moraju nešto pojesti, popiti, negdje prespavati, pa nek malo u visočaci zaradi, ne moraju turisti samo po Baščaršiji trošiti pareHipatija wrote:PODZEMNI LABIRINT “RAVNE” – KULTNA ARHEOLOŠKA DESTINACIJAGreat Cornholio wrote:Opa, dolaze stranci, biće para
04.05.2011
Svaki novi dan dovodi stotine posjetilaca u podzemni labirint “Ravne”. Dolaze iz svih dijelova BiH, Hrvatske, Srbije, Slovenije, Mađarske, Crne Gore, SAD, Švedske, Austrije, Njemačke i drugih zemalja.
Napomena: kad sam otvarao ovaj mail (koji mi je dostavljen bez mog ikakvog odobrenja, trazenja ili registracije bilo gdje
On the verge of the fall of dictator among Egyptologists
HOW DID "PHARAOH" DR ZAHI HAWASS TRY TO STOP BOSNIAN PYRAMIDS PROJECT
With fall of Hosny Mubarak's regime in Egypt, numerous affairs of corrupted state officials came out. During decades of reign some ministers have managed to sling billions of dollars on their accounts. Undoubtedly, among the wealthiest is Dr. Zahi Hawass, who ruled for decades in Supreme Council of Antiquities.
Though legally he had to retire three years ago, he succeeded, thanks to friendship with the wife of Hosny Mubarak Suzanne, to preserve his stay at the most powerful position in the domain of archaeology. Finally, last year he succeeded in getting assignment as the State minister for antiquities and lifelong position. At least, that's what he hoped to be.
With revolution in Egypt it wasn't possible to hide 1.600 documents that demonstrate that Dr. Zahi Hawass stole precious artifacts, falsified historical findings (making them appear younger than they really are, because they didn't fit into official history), and fired archeologists, Egyptologists, guides and state officials, who spoke loudly about corruption of his office. (Source: http://www.piramidasunca.ba/en/index.ph ... ns-No.html)
Dr. Hawass is recognized face from leading world scientific media programs: National Geographic, History Channel, Discovery, BBC and others. He seats on their Boards, serves as their scientific advisor. More than decades, Zahi Hawass is the only one who announces all discoveries in Egypt, as if the real authors weren't the teams of researchers from Poland, Hungary, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, USA, Japan or Egypt. For decades, none of documentaries about Egyptian pyramids or temples have been recorded without the permission of Hawass, his presence in the movies and financial benefits that are given to him.
In order to retain his position as incontrovertible ruler in the domain of Egyptology, Pyramid Science and archeology, he even tried to patent the name "pyramid" as unique Egyptian product.
He labeled all of those who had different ideas concerning the age, constructors and purpose of the pyramids (Hancock, Davidovits, Bouval, Dunn and many other experts). He would insult them, calling them names and didn't allow them to freely explore and to analyze samples. If by any chance researches with modern instruments (of Japanese, Germans and Americans) would show that pyramids have unique electromagnetic properties and energetic anomalies, which would reject the idea of most superior pyramids being tombs, it was the end for those researchers and free and unobstructed scientific investigation in Egypt.
And when he thought he had everything under control, series of pyramid discoveries appear across the world: 250 pyramids in China, hundreds of pyramids in Peru, hundreds of new Mayan pyramids in Central America, tens of pyramids in the Canary and Mauritius. Wrong considerations that pyramids were created as the product of local scenario crush down. Pyramids were the worldwide concept.
The greatest shock came from the small Bosnia: discovery of the first European pyramids, the biggest in the world and at the same time the oldest in the world!
Carefully nurtured idea of ancient Egypt being the most important cradle of civilization and the only home of the pyramids disappears forever.
Let us look at the things he had done to suppress scientific progress and recognition of Bosnian pyramids.
Written by:
Dr.sci. Sam Semir Osmanagich
Discoverer of the Bosnian pyramids
Foreign member of Russian Academy of Natural Sciences
Professor at American University in Sarajevo
http://www.samosmanagich.com
YEAR 2005
In October 2005 I announced to the world that I've discovered pyramids in Visoko, Bosnia-Herzegovina. In interview with BBC I spoke about the possibility that they were older than all known pyramids. That was later confirmed by the State Institute for Pedology. Right after me, Dr. Zahi Hawass in program spoke with wobbly voice that 'it is possible to discover new pyramids, but he doubted they were older than Egyptian ones?'.
YEAR 2006
In April of 2006 archeological excavations at Bosnian pyramid of the Sun began, after our non-profit Foundation "Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun" received all necessary permits, hired experts, acquired equipment and tools, carried out prior satellite, thermal, radar and topographic recordings. Group of Bosnian historians, archeologists and geologists were against research and wrote petition to stop the project. The Federal Government rejected petition after prime minster Mr. Hadzipasic and the member of his Cabinet visited archeological locations and were convinced in their artificial character.
Afterwards, upset Bosnian archaeologists and historians asked for the help from European Archaeological Association from London requested their assistance in stopping research in Visoko. The president of Association Dr. Anthony Harding and secretary Predrag Novakovic launched new petition full of untruths in which they tried to stop the project.
At the same time, they asked that every national archaeological organization in Europe boycott project and openly threat that all archeologists engaged in Visoko research will no longer work in their vocation-profession once they return to their countries.
Under pressure of European boycott, Foundation turned to the Government of Egypt asking that it sends three experts. Upon recommendation of Dr Zahi Hawass, experienced geologist Dr Ali Barakat arrived in Visoko, in May of 2006. After 42 days of research, at the press conference in Sarajevo, on June 23rd he stated in his written report that Bosnian pyramid of the Sun was man-made pyramid". (More: http://www.piramidasunca.ba/en/index.ph ... mplex.html)
The same day, custodian of National Museum in Sarajevo and opponent of the project who never came to see the pyramids herself, Zilka Vejzagic-Kujundzic, writes a letter to Dr. Zahi Hawass asking him to react and to confute Dr. Barakat.
Two days later, Dr. Zahi Hawass convenes urgent meeting in Cairo: between Ministry of Tourism of Egypt, Ministry of Culture and his Supreme Council of Antiquities. They have just one agenda: "Influence of Bosnian pyramids discovery on tourism in Egypt". Considering that tourism and pyramids is the main Egyptian industry earning $ 15.5 billion of dollars per year, fear that they could loose, let's say 20% (or more than 3 billion of dollars) because of discovery of Bosnian pyramids, disgusted them.
After the meeting on June 25th , at noon time, Zahi Hawass hold press conference during which he says: "There aren't pyramids in Bosnia, just a pile of stones. Blocks weighting 30 tons are natural. Barakat is no pyramid expert and Osmanagic is hallucinating". Hawass writes a letter to Institute of Minerals of Egyptian Government, where Dr. Barakat works, and asked his boss to fire Dr. Barakat.
Part of Sarajevo's, Zagreb's and Belgrade's cultural establishment, who opposed the Bosnian pyramid project, is exulting. Several reporters, archeologists, historians, even writers thought this was the end of project. They weren't aware that their complex of low self-esteem deceived them. Project was just getting started.
Foundation intensively continued with its works in which 90 full-time workers and hundreds of volunteers were involved. The Government of Egypt sends another requested expert, Egyptologist Lamia El Hadidi. She discovered that Bosnian pyramid of the Moon had rectangular structures, vertical walls and paved terraces. Excitingly, she calls Dr. Hawass in front of me and invites him to come to Bosnia. After the phone conversation, she asked me to send him official invitation to his personal fax number which I did. However, Hawass didn't come, he ignored.
Discoveries in Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids continued. Hawass sent to Visoko his most loyal man and personal friend: Dr Mohamed Ibrahim Ali an Egyptologist from Ein Shams University in Cairo. During his visit that lasted eight days, Dr Ibrahim Ali couldn't hide his enthusiasm with what he had seen and claims it is obvious that human hand built these structures, and it is yet to be determined whether it is a pyramid, a temple or something third. There again, no sign of Hawass, because the news he hears do not suit him. (http://www.piramidasunca.ba/ba/index.ph ... link&id=22, 3rd minute and 7th minute of the video)
YEAR 2007
During 2007 I was holding the lecture about Bosnian pyramids in Cairo which was organized by the Egyptian Ministry of Culture. At lecture were the leading figures of Egyptian science and archeology: vice minister, assistants to the minister, ambassadors, leading archaeologists and Egyptologists, deans, vice-deans, professors. Dr. Zahi Hawass' absence is flaring.
That same year more Egyptian experts come to Visoko: distinguished Egyptologist, PhD in archaeology and finder of four pyramids in Egyptian deserts Dr Nabil Swelim, vice-dean of Faculty of Archaeology at the Cairo University Mona Fawad Ali, an Egyptologist Dr Soliman Hammed and geologist Dr Ali Barakat. After seeing all locations many times this team sends messages to Bosnian and international public that the greatest pyramids in the world are discovered here. Silence appeared in the region. Mouths were closed to opponents such as Govedarica, Imamovic, Vejzagic, Lovrenovic, Novakovic, Vrabac on local level or people like Harding, Schoch and others on international level. Even though these opponents were trying to continue with their game of labeling the discoverer, they were not bringing any scientific arguments on the table.
That same year, I visited Cairo again. In the most read Arabic daily "Al Ahram" we arranged our project to be regularly followed at their pages. However, after my visit to Cairo leading journalist of Al Ahram (Alaa Sabet) consulted with Zahi Hawass and changed arranged plan and hasn't published any of affirmative articles.
YEAR 2008
Foundation was preparing The First International Scientific Conference on Bosnian Pyramids in September of 2008. Dr Zahi Hawass was invited among 55 participants. In the early phase of preparations he was offered to preside over the Conference. We could witness that he opened all received e-mails, but answered none. One month before the Conference, Dr. Hawass published an article in "Al Ahram" where he harshly attacked project and me. Egyptian delegation of 20 members that was preparing to come to Bosnia was given a new role. Leading members of delegation were given the role to shatter the Conference. Several participants who visited the site in Bosnia before (taking samples) and had scientific papers about artificial character of blocks, binding materials, purposes of underground tunnels and parallels with Egyptian underground tunnels, had to change their papers and talks and throw out everything affirmative for Bosnian pyramids. It was shameful! During the Conference those who were willing to speak their mind and confirmed existence of pyramids in Bosnia (Dr. Swelim, Dr. Barakat) received open threats during their presentations that "they will be punished once they return to Cairo". Younger participants from Cairo and Alexandria confessed me the last day of Conference (just before they left) that they knew that Bosnian Pyramids represent archaeological phenomenon but they were afraid for their jobs. So much about the scientific dignity and civil courage.
In winter that year, at one reception in Cairo, longtime acquaintances met, Dr. Swelim and Dr. Hawass. Swelim asked him why he refused to join in the Conference. Hawass angrily asked why he supports project of Bosnian pyramids. Swelim told Hawass that he should not be speaking about Bosnian pyramids phenomenon when he knows nothing about it nor he visited Bosnia, unlike Swelim. Hawass angrily said: "Do you know who you are talking to? Do you know who I am? I am Zahi Hawass!" Swelim calmly answered: "Nice to meet you. I am Nabil Swelim." Hawass turned and said this was the last conversation in their life.
YEAR 2009
In 2009 I signed an exclusive contract with Canadian producer for the project about the documentary and series for History Channel and Discovery. After director's visit to Visoko, that left her impressed, everything was ready for the big project. They have signed their preliminary contract with the world most watched scientific TV programs. However, they needed confirmation of scientific consultant on these TV productions. Suddenly, everything stopped. Instead of project's affirmation and affirmation of country of Bosnia and Herzegovina to the entire world, standstill came up. It wasn't surprise, because the name of scientific consultant was: Zahi Hawass.
YEAR 2010
After several lectures in Houston's branch of ARE center, organizers urged their home office in Virginia's Beach to invite me to their annual conference in the autumn of 2011. Polite refusal-rejection happened. The reason: Dr. Zahi Hawass will be this year among speakers and they didn't want to upset him with my appearance.
YEAR 2011
By summing up relation of Zahi Hawass, as one of world leading figures in archaeology, towards Bosnian pyramids project, I can notice the following:
- Dr. Zahi Hawass wasn't capable to raise above political role which he played and to behave as the real scientist who cares about scientific progress
- Careerism of most of the people around him overcame scientific dignity and citizen's courage
Precisely because of his enormous desire to impose and sometimes to falsify scientific achievements with strength of his political position, he will be soon forgotten. And this will happened the moment he has no political position.
It's been happening so many times in history, it will happen now, as well.
Despite everything, true values, like discoveries in the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids, continue to live on.
-------------------------------------------------------------Hipatija wrote:ISTINU je moguće privremeno prikriti, odgoditi njenu spoznaju ili krivotvoriti. ISTINU nije moguće trajno sakriti ili potpuno onemogućiti!
Tome me još u djedinjstvu poučila priča: "U cara Trojana kozije uši!"Prijevod (engleski > hrvatski)
U cilju da zadrži svoj položaj kao neosporan vladar u domeni egiptologije, piramide znanosti i arheologije, on je čak pokušao patenta naziv "piramida" kao jedinstven egipatski proizvoda.
On je označen sve one koji su imali različite ideje o dobi, graditelji i svrha piramida (Hancock, Davidovits, Bouval, Dunn i brojni drugi stručnjaci). On bi ih vrijeđati, nazivajući ih imenima i ne dopustiti im da se slobodno istraživati i analizirati uzorci. Ako kojim slučajem istraživanja sa suvremenim instrumentima (japanske, Nijemci i Amerikanci) će pokazati da je piramida jedinstvena elektromagnetska svojstva i energetskih anomalija, koja bi odbacuju ideju o najviše vrhunskog piramide su grobovi, to je bio kraj za sve one istraživače i slobodni i neometano znanstvena istraživanja u Egiptu.
A kad je mislio da je sve pod kontrolom, serija piramide otkrića pojavljuju se diljem svijeta: 250 piramida u Kini, stotine piramida u Peruu, stotine novih Mayan piramide u Srednjoj Americi, deseci piramide u Kanari i Mauricijus. Pogrešno razmišljanje da su piramide nastale kao proizvod lokalnih scenarija srusi. Piramide su širom svijeta pojam.
Najveći šok je došao iz male Bosne: otkriću prve europske piramide, najveće na svijetu i ujedno najstariji na svijetu![/quote]
----------------------------------------luckylaka wrote:Mene interesuje zasto su ljudi protiv piramida u BiH.Recimo ovaj ,,zonbrilo,,imam osjecaj da je piramida u njegovoj avliji nasao bi mahanu.Pusti ljude bolan neka kopaju.Ne kosta te nista a samo podmeces.I ja sumnjam da ima nesto al hajde neka se desava sta bilo.Pa jebo te Ameri od bare napravili Branson gdje se godisnje skupi 5-6 miliona ljudi sjebu milione i milione dolara,malo hodaju ko fol cude se necemu-nicemu a drzava kaze,,bujrum ovce da vas deremo,,Tako treba i u BiH.Nema piramide.Izmisli je koje jebe.Puna Bosna spicasti brda.Uvijek ces u svijetu naci budalu od koje ces izmuzti lovu.Tako i Semir.Neka radi.Kopaj sto dublje dalje ce trajati.A kad ne bude nas jebo piramide.Muzi dok ima.Poz.
Šta kažu Visočaci za to uništavanje "stvarne istorije Bosne"?! Ne tiče ih se?!ultima_palabra wrote: jer čovjek uništava lokaciju koja je značajna za stvarnu istoriju Bosne...
Nije posao običnog svijeta da štiti kulturno naslijeđe države... to je posao državnih/federalnih institucija i nadam se da će ga konačno početi obavljati.Hipatija wrote:Šta kažu Visočaci za to uništavanje "stvarne istorije Bosne"?! Ne tiče ih se?!ultima_palabra wrote: jer čovjek uništava lokaciju koja je značajna za stvarnu istoriju Bosne...
Evo, poslušali te prije nego i što si predložio/la:ultima_palabra wrote: Nije posao običnog svijeta da štiti kulturno naslijeđe države... to je posao državnih/federalnih institucija i nadam se da će ga konačno početi obavljati.
Nažalost, izgleda da još nije došlo vrijeme za to... nema veze, ima bitnijih prioriteta. Uostalom, prevaranti se uglavnom na kraju sami odaju.Hipatija wrote:Evo, poslušali te prije nego i što si predložio/la:ultima_palabra wrote: Nije posao običnog svijeta da štiti kulturno naslijeđe države... to je posao državnih/federalnih institucija i nadam se da će ga konačno početi obavljati.
Nešto ovaj narod sve "gluplji"?! Da to nisu ratne posljedice?!ultima_palabra wrote: Nažalost, izgleda da još nije došlo vrijeme za to... nema veze,