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pita wrote:Ljudi...cesto sam u srb, mak, cg.
mak je dno dna...siromastvo...na vrhuncu, unistene ceste..korupcija svuda
cg..vladanje mafije je vidno na oko
srb..vojvodina i bg je ok...ostalo je dno
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Niko me nece uvjeriti...da su postigli europski standard...
Cak ak tu u slo kazu..bolje je ukinuti vize bosancima..a za sve ostale bandite imati vize

dallton wrote:evo ako ce vam sta biti lakse (u sto sumnjam)

A passport to division
By Tobias Heider
15.07.2009 / 14:58 CET
If approved, the European Commission's new visa regime would deepen the ethnic divide in Bosnia.

The European Commission today publicly presented plans recommending that Serbian, Montenegrin and Macedonian citizens be allowed to travel into the EU without visas from January 2010. Carriers of Bosnian, Albanian and Kosovar passports will, though, still have to buy visas.

The Commission's position on Albania is understandable: it has not transformed its system as much as Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia have. So too is the reluctance about Kosovo, since not all 27 member states have recognised Kosovo as a state. But why should Bosnia and Herzegovina not benefit from visa liberalisation?

It is certainly not because Bosnians might migrate or seek asylum. Virtually no Bosnians now apply for asylum in the EU. By contrast, a sizable number of Serbs applied for asylum in the first half of 2009 (around 2.5% of total applications in Germany, for example).

But that is not the Commission's reasoning: its recommendation is based on Bosnia's failure to meet all “technical” requirements. This is a shallow argument.
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The reality is that a decision to allow visa-free access is a fundamentally political act
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For a visa-free regime system to operate, what matters most is the quality of travel documents. Bosnia introduced machine-readable passports some years ago, before its neighbours did. On 1 July, it began issuing biometric passports, a little after Serbia but before some EU countries. Nor has a lack of biometric passports stopped the EU granting Mexicans and Hondurans visa-free entry.

What of the other technical requirements? In relative terms, Bosnia appears unfairly treated. Serbia has not passed and implemented all these requirements, and experts agree that in legislative, administrative and technical terms the gap between Serbia and Bosnia is narrow.

Nor, in absolute terms, does an argument based on technical requirements have much justification. Before granting it visa-free status, the Commission wants Bosnia, among other things, to reform its legal-aid system, adopt money-laundering and anti-discrimination legislation and establish an anti-corruption body. These are worthy causes. They are certainly necessary for EU accession and, later, for membership of the ‘passport-free' Schengen zone. But they have little or no direct connection to the core issue of a visa-free regime: whether ordinary citizens of another country should be able to cross your border with a passport but without a visa.

The reality is that a decision to allow visa-free access is a fundamentally political act. Certainly, the political motivation in the case of Serbia is clear: before Serbia's parliamentary elections in May 2008, EU foreign ministers indicated that they would reward a pro-European vote with a visa-free regime.

That political rationale was sound. In Bosnia's case, though, the EU's politics is bad.

Firstly, the Commission's new visa regime will exacerbate the problems of ethnic separation in Bosnia. Virtually all of Bosnia's Croats have Croatian passports and can therefore already travel to the EU without visas. Since 2008, Serbia has been issuing Bosnia's Serbs with Serbian passports; many will now be able to move freely around the EU. That means that travel restrictions will overwhelming affect Bosniaks (mainly Muslim Bosnians), the majority of the Bosnian population. The EU's new policy will therefore exclude and discriminate against one part of Bosnia's population. Even worse, this discrimination will effectively be on ethnic grounds, playing into the hands of nationalists.

Secondly, it is unjust. The primary reasons why the EU's technical stipulations have not all been met as yet are delays and blockages to the passage of legislation by the Bosnian Serb leadership in the Serb-dominated Republika Srpska. But because Bosnian Serbs have – or can have – dual citizenship with Serbia, the Republika Srpska's leadership will not have to pay any political cost for its obstructionism.

Morally, the symbolism of the new visa regime could barely be worse: three days ago, thousands of people mourned the slaughter of 8,000 or more Bosniaks killed at Srebrenica.

This will worsen attitudes towards the EU. Many Bosniaks will see this as the EU repeating mistakes it made in the war – helping political extremists to legalise and institutionalise ethnic division in Bosnia. In spring 1992, a European Community peace conference led to José Cutileiro and Peter Carrington proposing constitutional reform in Bosnia based on three ethnic cantons, a move accepted but later rejected by Bosniaks, who wanted to preserve a unitary and multiethnic system. Later, that idea of a Union of three ethnic republics was taken up by the EU's representative, David Owen.

The West made those proposals under the pressure of war; there is not that pressure now. In the wake of the war, much of the EU's political and historical responsibility has been to lessen the ethnic divide. In this case, it is effectively increasing the divide, for reasons that are hard to justify. The effect will be to weaken its influence in Bosnia: its policy in Bosnia can only be effective if its carrots and sticks are credible. Technical issues do remain, but those can be dealt with separately, through, for instance, a monitoring mechanism such as that already used for Serbia and Montenegro.

Politically, the reasoning for the EU should have been simple: Bosnia does not warrant different treatment from its neighbours, and Bosniaks should not be treated differently from Bosnia's Croats and Serbs. The question now is whether EU foreign ministers will undo the damage done today by the Commission.

Hrvatska uvodi biometrijske pasoše
24/05/2009
ZAGREB, Hrvatska -- Hrvatska će početi izdavanje novih biometričkih pasoša od 1. janura, izvestili su u petak (22. maj) lokalni mediji. Vlada je usvojila amandmane na zakon o putnim dokumentima na osnovu kojih će pasoš sadržati otiske pristiju, biometrijske podatke lica i jedinstveni identifikacioni broj nosioca. Svim javnim službenicima sa diplomatskim pasošima biometrički podaci biće uvršteni u dokumenta ranije, od 1. jula. Zakon vezan za izmene već je upućen parlamentu na usvajanje. (Vjesnik, Javno, Kroejšan Tajms - 22/05/09)

dallton wrote:

dallton wrote:evo ako ce vam sta biti lakse (u sto sumnjam)

A passport to division
By Tobias Heider
15.07.2009 / 14:58 CET
If approved, the European Commission's new visa regime would deepen the ethnic divide in Bosnia.

The European Commission today publicly presented plans recommending that Serbian, Montenegrin and Macedonian citizens be allowed to travel into the EU without visas from January 2010. Carriers of Bosnian, Albanian and Kosovar passports will, though, still have to buy visas.

The Commission's position on Albania is understandable: it has not transformed its system as much as Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia have. So too is the reluctance about Kosovo, since not all 27 member states have recognised Kosovo as a state. But why should Bosnia and Herzegovina not benefit from visa liberalisation?

It is certainly not because Bosnians might migrate or seek asylum. Virtually no Bosnians now apply for asylum in the EU. By contrast, a sizable number of Serbs applied for asylum in the first half of 2009 (around 2.5% of total applications in Germany, for example).

But that is not the Commission's reasoning: its recommendation is based on Bosnia's failure to meet all “technical” requirements. This is a shallow argument.
quote
The reality is that a decision to allow visa-free access is a fundamentally political act
quote

For a visa-free regime system to operate, what matters most is the quality of travel documents. Bosnia introduced machine-readable passports some years ago, before its neighbours did. On 1 July, it began issuing biometric passports, a little after Serbia but before some EU countries. Nor has a lack of biometric passports stopped the EU granting Mexicans and Hondurans visa-free entry.

What of the other technical requirements? In relative terms, Bosnia appears unfairly treated. Serbia has not passed and implemented all these requirements, and experts agree that in legislative, administrative and technical terms the gap between Serbia and Bosnia is narrow.

Nor, in absolute terms, does an argument based on technical requirements have much justification. Before granting it visa-free status, the Commission wants Bosnia, among other things, to reform its legal-aid system, adopt money-laundering and anti-discrimination legislation and establish an anti-corruption body. These are worthy causes. They are certainly necessary for EU accession and, later, for membership of the ‘passport-free' Schengen zone. But they have little or no direct connection to the core issue of a visa-free regime: whether ordinary citizens of another country should be able to cross your border with a passport but without a visa.

The reality is that a decision to allow visa-free access is a fundamentally political act. Certainly, the political motivation in the case of Serbia is clear: before Serbia's parliamentary elections in May 2008, EU foreign ministers indicated that they would reward a pro-European vote with a visa-free regime.

That political rationale was sound. In Bosnia's case, though, the EU's politics is bad.

Firstly, the Commission's new visa regime will exacerbate the problems of ethnic separation in Bosnia. Virtually all of Bosnia's Croats have Croatian passports and can therefore already travel to the EU without visas. Since 2008, Serbia has been issuing Bosnia's Serbs with Serbian passports; many will now be able to move freely around the EU. That means that travel restrictions will overwhelming affect Bosniaks (mainly Muslim Bosnians), the majority of the Bosnian population. The EU's new policy will therefore exclude and discriminate against one part of Bosnia's population. Even worse, this discrimination will effectively be on ethnic grounds, playing into the hands of nationalists.

Secondly, it is unjust. The primary reasons why the EU's technical stipulations have not all been met as yet are delays and blockages to the passage of legislation by the Bosnian Serb leadership in the Serb-dominated Republika Srpska. But because Bosnian Serbs have – or can have – dual citizenship with Serbia, the Republika Srpska's leadership will not have to pay any political cost for its obstructionism.

Morally, the symbolism of the new visa regime could barely be worse: three days ago, thousands of people mourned the slaughter of 8,000 or more Bosniaks killed at Srebrenica.

This will worsen attitudes towards the EU. Many Bosniaks will see this as the EU repeating mistakes it made in the war – helping political extremists to legalise and institutionalise ethnic division in Bosnia. In spring 1992, a European Community peace conference led to José Cutileiro and Peter Carrington proposing constitutional reform in Bosnia based on three ethnic cantons, a move accepted but later rejected by Bosniaks, who wanted to preserve a unitary and multiethnic system. Later, that idea of a Union of three ethnic republics was taken up by the EU's representative, David Owen.

The West made those proposals under the pressure of war; there is not that pressure now. In the wake of the war, much of the EU's political and historical responsibility has been to lessen the ethnic divide. In this case, it is effectively increasing the divide, for reasons that are hard to justify. The effect will be to weaken its influence in Bosnia: its policy in Bosnia can only be effective if its carrots and sticks are credible. Technical issues do remain, but those can be dealt with separately, through, for instance, a monitoring mechanism such as that already used for Serbia and Montenegro.

Politically, the reasoning for the EU should have been simple: Bosnia does not warrant different treatment from its neighbours, and Bosniaks should not be treated differently from Bosnia's Croats and Serbs. The question now is whether EU foreign ministers will undo the damage done today by the Commission.

koliko procitah (boldirano) lijepo pise ko je blokirao zakone - gdje su mi oni pametnjakovici sto su vristali "svi su isti, sto ne krivite "bosnjacke" politicare"

Dosljednost eu, srb i hr da nas unisti je konstantna i to ce uraditi...
To mi je jasno i bezveze mi je vise pisati o tome
NE znam sto je rijesenje.
SRB i HR su ima sve na raspolaganju i potporu eu da nas uniste. Jer su bili kilivi to nisu uradili.
Sada ce nas EU unistiti ekonomski i psiholoski...da nestanemo zauvjek...

ld wrote:

Dosljednost eu, srb i hr da nas unisti je konstantna i to ce uraditi...
To mi je jasno i bezveze mi je vise pisati o tome
NE znam sto je rijesenje.
SRB i HR su ima sve na raspolaganju i potporu eu da nas uniste. Jer su bili kilivi to nisu uradili.
Sada ce nas EU unistiti ekonomski i psiholoski...da nestanemo zauvjek...

zasto toliko pasimizma u tvom pisanju???
ako u ratu nas nisu pobili,pa nece valjda i sad da nas uniste ekonomski
ako bi imali neke bolje politicare,umjesto ovih sadasnjih kretena,pa da je se bosne okrenula arapskim zemljama,maleziji,sudanu itd... prije nekih 10 godina i da je vlada gurala nase firme da tamo rade,mnogo toga bi bilo bolje nego sad
ali nikad nije kasno,ako pratis razvoj dogadjaja,mozes primjetiti da mnoge nase firmese okrecu tim trzistima,od proizvodnje hrane,vode,drvenog asortimana,cak i u gradjevinarstvu,industriji mi sa nasim kadrom smo jos daleko ispred njih
EU trazi neke nemoguce uslove od nas i nasih firmi i u startu nas guse,i time njihove firme uzmaju poslove
nema djabnog rucka nigdje
nase firme su gradile tunele u citavoj bivsoj jugi i vani,i sad kada se treba graditi tunel na koridoru Vc,evropljani daju kredit i pri tome postavljaju neke uslove i ni jedna domaca firma to ne moze da ispostuje i automatski njihove firme ce dobiti poslove

pa 2 miliona bosnjaka su malo veci kvart jednog istanbula,majka mu stara

Sir Charles wrote:
Nebitno je uopste ko snosi krivicu za ostanak viznog rezima. Meni je samo nejasno zasto BiH ima bezvizni rezim prema velikom broju zemalja iako te iste zemlje imaju vizni rezim prema BH gradjanima. Treba uvesti vize za sve zemlje koje imaju vizni rezim prema BiH. Ako ni zbog cega, onda zbog onih 30 Eura po vizi.

and wrote:

Sir Charles wrote:
Nebitno je uopste ko snosi krivicu za ostanak viznog rezima. Meni je samo nejasno zasto BiH ima bezvizni rezim prema velikom broju zemalja iako te iste zemlje imaju vizni rezim prema BH gradjanima. Treba uvesti vize za sve zemlje koje imaju vizni rezim prema BiH. Ako ni zbog cega, onda zbog onih 30 Eura po vizi.

sa ovim se slažem.


da je eu zadržala vize za građane bih sa srbijanskim i hrvatskim pasošima,kao što su uradili sa srbima sa kosova moglo bi se reći da se gledaju neki tehnički detalji i uslovi.

pita wrote:Dosljednost eu, srb i hr da nas unisti je konstantna i to ce uraditi...
To mi je jasno i bezveze mi je vise pisati o tome
NE znam sto je rijesenje.
SRB i HR su ima sve na raspolaganju i potporu eu da nas uniste. Jer su bili kilivi to nisu uradili.
Sada ce nas EU unistiti ekonomski i psiholoski...da nestanemo zauvjek...

MisticnaNebuloza wrote:

pita wrote:Dosljednost eu, srb i hr da nas unisti je konstantna i to ce uraditi...
To mi je jasno i bezveze mi je vise pisati o tome
NE znam sto je rijesenje.
SRB i HR su ima sve na raspolaganju i potporu eu da nas uniste. Jer su bili kilivi to nisu uradili.
Sada ce nas EU unistiti ekonomski i psiholoski...da nestanemo zauvjek...

Smiri dozivljaj! Citajuci tvoje postove rekao bi covjek da su nam rat proglasili.
E da vi samo znate koliko je politicko rukovodstvo te EU glupo vi biste drugacije o ovome razmisljali. Sto bi samo mene trebalo da brine to sto je Evropa samu sebe udarila? Neka se i ljudi u EU brinu, neka se brinu kakve poslijedice ce ovakav poduhvat u regionu imati, i kakvu poruku salje EU etnonacionalistima sirom Evrope i svijeta. GENOCID SE ISPLATI!

pita wrote:

MisticnaNebuloza wrote:

pita wrote:Dosljednost eu, srb i hr da nas unisti je konstantna i to ce uraditi...
To mi je jasno i bezveze mi je vise pisati o tome
NE znam sto je rijesenje.
SRB i HR su ima sve na raspolaganju i potporu eu da nas uniste. Jer su bili kilivi to nisu uradili.
Sada ce nas EU unistiti ekonomski i psiholoski...da nestanemo zauvjek...

Smiri dozivljaj! Citajuci tvoje postove rekao bi covjek da su nam rat proglasili.
E da vi samo znate koliko je politicko rukovodstvo te EU glupo vi biste drugacije o ovome razmisljali. Sto bi samo mene trebalo da brine to sto je Evropa samu sebe udarila? Neka se i ljudi u EU brinu, neka se brinu kakve poslijedice ce ovakav poduhvat u regionu imati, i kakvu poruku salje EU etnonacionalistima sirom Evrope i svijeta. GENOCID SE ISPLATI!

Rat traje cijelo vrijeme!!!
rat sa oruzjem je samo jedna vrsta rada
politicki i ekonmski rat se vodi konstantno
sada imamo..genocid(oruzani rat), geto(polticki rat) i siromastvo(ekonomski rat)....hmm

stereotipni wrote:Konacno je Srbija (kao i Hrvatska) dobila svog "trojanskog konja" u obliku 1 mil. gradjana RS-a koji ce sada expresno da uzmu drzavljanstvo Srbije i da pocnu uzivati u svim blagodetima putovanja bez viza od 1.1.2010, kao i tome da mogu birati vlast u susjednoj nam zemlji. Ne mogu da vjerujem da su ovi iz EU toliko glupi da nisu uspjeli da vide sta su ovim uradili stavljanjem BiH u drugi plan.

Bit ce sada jos interesantnije na Balkanu!

Atrus wrote:Da je ostala Austrougarska...sada bi bili evropski gradjani. Ali, mali seljacic, koji umjesto da je busio rupe na drvetu i pravio frulu, htio je Veliku Srbiju. I tako, Gavrilo se SKINUO sa planine, upucao Ferdinanta i do danasnjeg dana nas jebu bez prezervativa njegovi istomisljenici, koji imaju veoma jak lobby u EU.

pita wrote:

stereotipni wrote:Konacno je Srbija (kao i Hrvatska) dobila svog "trojanskog konja" u obliku 1 mil. gradjana RS-a koji ce sada expresno da uzmu drzavljanstvo Srbije i da pocnu uzivati u svim blagodetima putovanja bez viza od 1.1.2010, kao i tome da mogu birati vlast u susjednoj nam zemlji. Ne mogu da vjerujem da su ovi iz EU toliko glupi da nisu uspjeli da vide sta su ovim uradili stavljanjem BiH u drugi plan.

Bit ce sada jos interesantnije na Balkanu!

Kome ce biti intersantno....

stereotipni wrote:

pita wrote:

stereotipni wrote:Konacno je Srbija (kao i Hrvatska) dobila svog "trojanskog konja" u obliku 1 mil. gradjana RS-a koji ce sada expresno da uzmu drzavljanstvo Srbije i da pocnu uzivati u svim blagodetima putovanja bez viza od 1.1.2010, kao i tome da mogu birati vlast u susjednoj nam zemlji. Ne mogu da vjerujem da su ovi iz EU toliko glupi da nisu uspjeli da vide sta su ovim uradili stavljanjem BiH u drugi plan.

Bit ce sada jos interesantnije na Balkanu!

Kome ce biti intersantno....

Svima, kada budes u Srbiji imao recimo radikale na vlasti!

Atrus wrote:I imat ce sigurno Veliku Srbiju, prije ili kasnije. Imaju oni taj software u glavi zapisan i nema tog operativnog sistema koji moze da ih promijeni. Samo se pritaje, cim popusti paznja Svijeta, odmah krenu k'o termiti. Odmah. K'o zuti mravi, tri prsta, ssss i juris, bucaj sve sto nije srpsko. Radjaju se sa tri prsta, ostala dva im ne trebaju, jebote.

jutarnji wrote:Smijesno. Senilni rahiticari koji ma se digne svake prestupne godine odlucuju ko je podoban a ko nije. Jebat im mater!!!
Ja da sam nekakav kurton u tim nasim k`o fol diplomatskim krugovima, ovako bih se ponasao pri prvom susretu sa
onim kurtonom Renom.
Obukao bih se za svecani prijem k`o talibanac, umoto u caksire, pustio bradu do pasa i okacio 20 tespiha oko vrata.
-Good morrning Mr. Jutarnji
-Eselajmualejkum jebem te usta..
-What?
-Prevedi mu...
-MR. Jutarnji I don`t appreciate ...
_Ha?
-I said..
-Jest ugrijalo danas(jednom rukom cesem jaja drugom copam nos)..
-We would like to discuss further steps about econnomic and political reform in your...
-Nema..
-What?
-Reci der mu, niks reform, fuck reform..
-But Mr Jutarnji?/
-Alahimanet, odoh klanjat dzumu...next time, maybe, maybe not...jebo ti solana mater.