Asurpanipal wrote:
Bojim se da i tebe historija demantuje. Odakle muslimana u Perziji, Indiji, na Kavkazu, u sjevernoj Africi, Španiji ? Da se nisu borili keksima i čokoladom ? A činili su se pri tome i zločini, pri čemu se istakao Halid ibn Velid. Poznat je njegov slučaj silovanja žene od Malik ibn Nuwayraha. Prethodno je naredio da se Maliku odrubi glava, a zatim je ispekao meso na njegovoj glavi, da bi onda "spavao" s Malikovom ženom. Istakao bih i zločin i masakr nad zarobljenim perzijskim vojnicima.
Pa onda kada uzmeš u obzir građanske ratove među samim muslimanima, Arapima, u kojima su učestvovali mnogi od ashaba, počevši od Bitke kod deve, pa zatim Bitke na Siffinu, do masakra na Kerbeli nad Poslanikovim a.s. unukom i porodicom, kao i napada Hadžadžove vojske na Medinu, kada je masakriran Abdullah ibn Zubejr. Osmanlije su također zemlje u kojima žive nemuslimani nazivali "dar'ul harb" ili kuća rata. Bilo je još tu zločina od strane muslimanskih halifa kroz historiju, od inkvizicije nad mutezilijama, progona nad šijjama i ostalim manjinskim grupacijama, masakra nad manihejcima u Bagdadu, itd., itd...
Kad već pričaš o zločinima muslimana, nemoj zaboraviti ni šije, koje vidim izbjegavaš, i njihove zločine, koji su gle čuda, vršili pokolje i nasilje nad sunijama u za vrijeme Safavida, nakon što su za zvaničnu religiju 'primili' šiizam, pa su nakon toga sve one koji to nisu bili i koji nisu prihvačali novu 'religiju' ubijali ili protjerivali, rušeći džamije, turbeta itd.
]Methods of converting Iran
Ismail consolidated his rule over the country and launched
a thorough and at times brutal campaign to convert the
majority Sunni population to Twelver Shiism and thus
transform the religious landscape of Iran.[16] His methods
of converting Iran included:
_ Imposing Shiism as the state and mandatory religion
for the whole nation and much forcible conversions
of Iranian Sufi Sunnis to Shiism.
_ He reintroduced the Sadr (Arabic, leader) – an
office that was responsible for supervising religious
institutions and endowments. With a view
to transforming Iran into a Shiite state, the Sadr
was also assigned the task of disseminating Twelver
doctrine
_ He destroyed Sunni mosques. This was even noted
by Tomé Pires, the Portuguese ambassador to China
who visited Iran in 1511–12, who when referring
to Ismail noted: “He (i.e. Ismail) reforms our
churches, destroys the houses of all Moors who follow
(the Sunnah of) Muhammad…
_ He enforced the ritual and compulsory cursing of
the first three Sunni Caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar, and
Uthman) as usurpers, from all mosques, disbanded Sunni Tariqahs and seized their assets, used state
patronage to develop Shia shrines, institutions and
religious art and imported Shia scholars to replace
Sunni scholars.
_
He shed Sunni blood and destroyed and desecrated
the graves and mosques of Sunnis. This caused the
Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II (who initially congratulated
Ismail on his victories) to advise and ask the
young monarch (in a “fatherly” manner) to stop the
anti-Sunni actions. However, Ismail was strongly
anti-Sunni, ignored the Sultan’s warning, and continued
to spread the Shia faith by the sword.
_ He persecuted, imprisoned and executed stubbornly
resistant Sunnis.
With the establishment of Safavid rule, there was a
very raucous and colourful, almost carnival-like holiday
on 26 Dhu al-Hijjah (or alternatively, 9 Rabi' alawwal)
celebrating the murder of Caliph Umar. The
highlight of the day was making an effigy of Umar
to be cursed, insulted, and finally burned. However,
as relations between Iran and Sunni countries improved,
the holiday was no longer observed (at least
officially).
In 1501 Ismail invited all the Shia living outside Iran
to come to Iran and be assured of protection from
the Sunni majority.
The fate of Sunni and Shia
Ulema (scholars)
3.1 Sunni Ulema
The early Safavid rulers took a number of steps against
the Sunni Ulema of Iran. These steps included giving the
Ulema the choice of conversion, death, or exile
and massacring the Sunni clerics who resisted the Shia
transformation of Iran, as witnessed in Herat.[ As a result,
many Sunni scholars who refused to adopt the new
religious direction lost their lives or fled to the neighboring
Sunni states.
Interesantno je i ironično kako su 'borci' za prava Ehli bejta a.s. uništili turbe Hz. Abdul Kadir Gejlanija k.s. koji je bio potomak Poslanika a.s., ali koji nije bio 'njihov' po ideolologiji, pa nek se zna i ta činjenica:
Ismail peacefully seized Baghdad in 1508. However, his armies zealously murdered Sunnis and actively persecuted them through tribal allies of the Shah.His armies also destroyed several important Sunni sites, including the tombs of Abū Ḥanīfa and Abdul-Qadir Gilani. The Safavids even expelled the family of Gilani from Mesopotamia. After declaring Shiism the official form of Islam in Iraq, Ismail forced his new Iraqi subjects to convert to Shiism and outlawed Sunni practices. He then returned to Persia. These draconian actions by the conquering Safavids caused the Mesopotamian Sunnis to seethe with resentment.
Zato drug ako zaista imaš namjeru da budeš sljedbenik Ehli Bejta a.s., onda moraš biti neutralan i pošten, a ne da slijediš nacionalizme i ideologije, dogme upakovane samo u druge papire i forme.
) se ne desava brzo. To je jedan duzi proces. Isto je kada osoba konvertira iz jedne u drugu religiju ili se iz ateizma ili manjeg interesa prema religiji vise priblizi odredjenoj religiji. Ljudi se osjecaju sigurnije kada ucvrste svoje stavove i kada ih potvrde kod istomisljenika, pa je zato donekle i logicna potreba da pripadamo odredjenim grupama. Kada ovako poslozim stvari onda mi bude jasnije zasto su rasprave izmedju ateista i teista po odredjenom sablonu osudjene na propast, jer sa jedne strane teisti prigovaraju ateistima da su arogantni, da uzivaju ismijavati teiste i da misle da su posebni, jer su skontali da je religija opijum za mase. S druge strane, ateisti cesto prigovaraju teistima da nisu racionalni, da razmisljaju grupno i da nisu spremni uvaziti argumente koje daje nauka.
