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Klavikula wrote:Image
pobunjenici vec sad imaju dosta oklopa i teske artiljerije, neutralisali su avijacuju neprijatelja a priliv boraca je veci nego na drugoj strani. polako se uspostavlja ravnoteza.
Prepodstavljam da je to sve zarobljena tehnika a priliv boraca je iznenadna patriotska pobuda kod nenaoruzanog ugrozenog civilnog stanovnistva :lol:
Vidjet cemo, vidjet... ;-)
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#19552 Re: Ukrajina

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Klavikula wrote:ne znam da li je neko stavljao, al jutros procitah da je Putin preporucio pobunjenicima da puste ukrajinske vojnike iz juznog kotla. ovi su pristali, al pod uslovom da ukrajinci ostave oruzje. dobro jednima dobro drugima :thumbup:

valjda dogovoreno na sastanku od jucer ili kad vec.
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#19553 Ukrajina

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#19554 Re: Ukrajina

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Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Friday condemned what he called a "serious escalation of Russian aggression" in Ukraine and said Moscow is carrying out direct military operations there.
Accusing Moscow of "hollow denials," Rasmussen said that Russian troops had illegally crossed the border into Ukraine and that this was not an isolated action but part of a campaign to "destabilize Ukraine as a sovereign nation."
Rasmussen, who spoke after a meeting of NATO ambassadors in Brussels, Belgium, said Russia's action was a blatant violation of Ukraine's sovereignty and "defies all diplomatic efforts for a peaceful solution."
NATO on Thursday produced what it says are satellite images showing Russian troops engaged in military operations inside Ukraine...
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#19555 Re: Ukrajina

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U.K. Wants EU to Block Russia From SWIFT Banking Network
Aug 29, 2014 5:02 PM GMT+0200
The U.K. will press European Union leaders to consider blocking Russian access to the SWIFT banking transaction system under an expansion of sanctions over the conflict in Ukraine, a British government official said.

The Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, known as SWIFT, is one of Russia’s main connections to the international financial system. Prime Minister David Cameron’s government plans to put the topic on the agenda for a meeting of EU leaders in Brussels tomorrow, according to the official, who asked not to be named because the discussions are private.

“Blocking Russia from the SWIFT system would be a very serious escalation in sanctions against Russia and would most certainly result in equally tough retaliatory actions by Russia,” said Chris Weafer, a senior partner at Moscow-based consulting firm Macro Advisory. “An exclusion from SWIFT would not block major trade deals but would cause problems in cross-border banking and that would disrupt trade flows.”
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-2 ... twork.html

Sto naravno ne znaci da ce se ovo i desiti...
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#19556 Re: Ukrajina

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Jedina veza Novorusa i Sovjeta je u nacinu ofanzivnog ratovanja, ali slicno su ratovali i Nijemci dok su oni drzali inicijativu na istocnom frontu. Zbog nepreglednih ravnica, ide se na bocne udare i opkoljavanje neprijatelja.

Cudi me da Ukrajinci nisu primjenili istu taktiku, vec udaraju u kost, bez bokova. Zato i gube.
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#19557 Re: Ukrajina

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Putin's choices
...German tactics were built on Russian deniability of any direct involvement. The diplomatic game was based on the pretense that both sides were not much more than concerned neighbors, that Russia was not part of the conflict.
But indirect involvement was not enough to hold territory in Ukraine. That's why Putin either had to accept defeat or to step up his efforts and end the pretense of Russian non-involvement. He chose the latter.
Putin did so knowing that this would lead to more Western sanctions, more costs for Russia. But he may have gambled that the West would not massively increase sanctions, as the appetite for conflict with Russia is low in many European countries, especially in Western Europe. It is also possible that he may even be ready to accept economic divorce with the West.
The West has tried everything to convince Putin to step back from the brink of open war in Ukraine. But it has not worked. The success of the Ukrainian army on the ground has forced Russia to make a choice between ending efforts to bring back Ukraine under Moscow's control -- or moving to open war. Putin had to leave the fog and make a move.
The German approach now looks like a failure, but it was worth trying nevertheless. It might have worked. Diplomatic efforts may also have kept Russian involvement to a minimum in the last few months -- they may have caused Putin to keep a low profile, thus allowing Kiev to recover and win back territory...

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/29/opini ... ?hpt=hp_c1
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#19558 Re: Ukrajina

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dječak sa šibicama wrote:Jedina veza Novorusa i Sovjeta je u nacinu ofanzivnog ratovanja, ali slicno su ratovali i Nijemci dok su oni drzali inicijativu na istocnom frontu. Zbog nepreglednih ravnica, ide se na bocne udare i opkoljavanje neprijatelja.

Cudi me da Ukrajinci nisu primjenili istu taktiku, vec udaraju u kost, bez bokova. Zato i gube.
Zato st o je ovo po klasifikaciji vojno -policijska akcija (ATO)unutar teritorije jedne drzave i vracanje teritorije u sistem drzave...a ne klasican frontalni udar vojske na vojsku...posebno na onu koja dolaziiz zemlje koja "nije" strana u sukobu...mozda zato. :roll:

I nista strateski nisu izgubili...
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#19559 Re: Ukrajina

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Joj ovih "zapadnjaka" jesu se uskmečali, pa zašto ne urade ono što u ovakvim situacijama inače rade, zašto jednostavno ne bombarduju Rusiju, u čemu je problem :-?
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#19560 Re: Ukrajina

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daxon wrote:Joj ovih "zapadnjaka" jesu se uskmečali, pa zašto ne urade ono što u ovakvim situacijama inače rade, zašto jednostavno ne bombarduju Rusiju, u čemu je problem :-?
Pa cekaj gdje si pozurio tako ushicen...prvo malo karanje u novcanik... :lol: kasnije ide sipka u paksu.
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#19561 Re: Ukrajina

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Nista nisu izgubili, osim sto su im pobunjenici zauzeli maltene cijeli jug Donjeck regiona, i opkolili Mariupolj.
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daxon wrote:Joj ovih "zapadnjaka" jesu se uskmečali, pa zašto ne urade ono što u ovakvim situacijama inače rade, zašto jednostavno ne bombarduju Rusiju, u čemu je problem :-?
Znam da boli 1995. i 1999. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW, Rusiju udaraju tamo gdje najvise boli. :wink:
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#19563 Re: Ukrajina

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dječak sa šibicama wrote:Nista nisu izgubili, osim sto su im pobunjenici zauzeli maltene cijeli jug Donjeck regiona, i opkolili Mariupolj.
Roland Oliphant (Daily Telegraph): Just drove into Mariupol. It's not surrounded.
https://twitter.com/RolandOliphant/stat ... 2408555520
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#19564 Re: Ukrajina

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General War wrote:
dječak sa šibicama wrote:Jedina veza Novorusa i Sovjeta je u nacinu ofanzivnog ratovanja, ali slicno su ratovali i Nijemci dok su oni drzali inicijativu na istocnom frontu. Zbog nepreglednih ravnica, ide se na bocne udare i opkoljavanje neprijatelja.

Cudi me da Ukrajinci nisu primjenili istu taktiku, vec udaraju u kost, bez bokova. Zato i gube.
Zato st o je ovo po klasifikaciji vojno -policijska akcija (ATO)unutar teritorije jedne drzave i vracanje teritorije u sistem drzave...a ne klasican frontalni udar vojske na vojsku...posebno na onu koja dolaziiz zemlje koja "nije" strana u sukobu...mozda zato. :roll:

I nista strateski nisu izgubili...
smijesno.

odgovor na tvoj post sa vrha stranice je da je vecina tehnike vjerovatno iz Rusije, s Krima, ali ima i dobar dio zarobljene.
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dječak sa šibicama wrote:Jedina veza Novorusa i Sovjeta je u nacinu ofanzivnog ratovanja, ali slicno su ratovali i Nijemci dok su oni drzali inicijativu na istocnom frontu. Zbog nepreglednih ravnica, ide se na bocne udare i opkoljavanje neprijatelja.

Cudi me da Ukrajinci nisu primjenili istu taktiku, vec udaraju u kost, bez bokova. Zato i gube.
Kakvo veze ima ovo udaranje s ledja sa taktikom ratovanja po bokovima. Ovo je bio napad preko granice bez objave rata, hinjski ali sta drugo ocekivat od Rusa. Cudi me da su im uspjesi ovako mali. Izgleda da je Ukrajinska vojska ipak uspjela da odbije prvi udar. Sad cemo tek da vidimo kakvom ce se taktikom sluziti i jedni i drugi. Do sada su Ukri imali antiteoristicku akciju gdje su i oni okruzivali gradove radi manje zrtava ali sada pocinje rat. Ako Ukrajinci puste Ruse da idu obalom pa im onda presjeku vezu sa majcicom bit ce zanimljivo kad krenu da plivaju prema Krimu. Uglavnom nista posebno Rusi nisu pokazali do sada a imali su element iznenadjenja. Ukoliko budu tacne informacije da su ih Ukrajinci par puta poklopili GRAD-ovima i da su tacni podaci o broju poginulih onda ca Putinu biti bas veselo. Popusio sankcije a nista nije dobio osim kovcega.
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#19566 Re: Ukrajina

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General War wrote:
daxon wrote:Joj ovih "zapadnjaka" jesu se uskmečali, pa zašto ne urade ono što u ovakvim situacijama inače rade, zašto jednostavno ne bombarduju Rusiju, u čemu je problem :-?
Pa cekaj gdje si pozurio tako ushicen...prvo malo karanje u novcanik... :lol: kasnije ide sipka u paksu.
Mogao bi taj sto mu guraju sipku da priprdi vatreni nuklearni udar pravo u lice tom perverznjaku pa ce da bude kuknjava na globalnoj razini kad se taj prdez prosiri po svijetu. :thumbup:
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#19567 Re: Ukrajina

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dječak sa šibicama wrote:Nista nisu izgubili, osim sto su im pobunjenici zauzeli maltene cijeli jug Donjeck regiona, i opkolili Mariupolj.
Jebes gradove bolan, Naftovod, plinovod, komunikacije...to rusiji treba i kontrola nad tim, a ne nedodjije toga ima i u rusiji na izvoz...ovo sto rade je samo cip za ulaganje kada se bude trebalo pricati oko formiranje PC u ukrajini na "mirovnim pregovorima"...
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#19568 Re: Ukrajina

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General War wrote:
daxon wrote:Joj ovih "zapadnjaka" jesu se uskmečali, pa zašto ne urade ono što u ovakvim situacijama inače rade, zašto jednostavno ne bombarduju Rusiju, u čemu je problem :-?
Pa cekaj gdje si pozurio tako ushicen...prvo malo karanje u novcanik... :lol: kasnije ide sipka u paksu.
Pa nebi ja ovo zvao malo karanje nego vise kao brutalno silovanje.
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mirsek wrote:
General War wrote:
daxon wrote:Joj ovih "zapadnjaka" jesu se uskmečali, pa zašto ne urade ono što u ovakvim situacijama inače rade, zašto jednostavno ne bombarduju Rusiju, u čemu je problem :-?
Pa cekaj gdje si pozurio tako ushicen...prvo malo karanje u novcanik... :lol: kasnije ide sipka u paksu.
Mogao bi taj sto mu guraju sipku da priprdi vatreni nuklearni udar pravo u lice tom perverznjaku pa ce da bude kuknjava na globalnoj razini kad se taj prdez prosiri po svijetu. :thumbup:
Imao je priliku nebrojeno puta, Na kubi, u Avganistanu...pa zasto ne, i u Vijetnamu... pa nista ;-)
Rusi vole zivit i uzivat kao i svaki normalan insan...Putinu se prestao dizat pa hoce da se igra rata... :-)
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Samo me interesuje, kada krene opsada i napad na Mariupolj, sta ce ovi "principijelni" pisati?

Danas dolaze vikend cetnici.
Poznato iz '91.-'95. :D
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"Ukraine asks NATO for ‘real’ military support, restarts mandatory conscription in face of Russian ‘invasion"

OTTAWA — Canada Thursday condemned what it calls an “invasion of eastern Ukraine” by Vladimir Putin and the Russian Federation, saying the attacks will “strengthen the resolve” of NATO leaders who will meet next week to discuss the escalating crisis.

The Conservative government did not indicate what further measures it plans, but Ukraine’s ambassador to Canada Thursday called for Canada and its allies to act “immediately” by providing “real” military support and even troops on the ground to help his country defend itself in what he says has become an outright war.

“Nowadays when we see the Russians are fighting as the military are doing, we need more support. When we’re talking support nowadays, we’re talking about military support. At least we will need some military equipment,” Ukrainian Ambassador Vadym Prystaiko said.
“We’re asking all of the allies of NATO, ‘Guys, we understand it’s not your war, we understand nobody wants your people to die. And we also don’t want our people to die. But if you want to stop this war right now with a little blood before it gets really ugly, we have to act right now — immediately.’”

NATO confirmed Thursday that more than 1,000 Russian troops are now operating inside Ukraine, which it said is a significant escalation of the Russian government’s military incursions in the country.

In response to the Russian troops, Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko cancelled a trip to Turkey Thursday and his national security council ordered mandatory conscription for the armed forces.
“Columns of heavy artillery, huge loads of arms and regular Russian servicemen came to the territory of Ukraine from Russia through the uncontrolled border area,” Mr. Poroshenko said at an emergency meeting of the Ukrainian Nation Security & Defence Council in Kyiv.
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[quote="General War"
Imao je priliku nebrojeno puta, Na kubi, u Avganistanu...pa zasto ne, i u Vijetnamu... pa nista ;-)
Rusi vole zivit i uzivat kao i svaki normalan insan...Putinu se prestao dizat pa hoce da se igra rata... :-)
Jedno je kad tebi neko pokusa gurati sipku u pakas a drugo je kad je gura nekom tvom interesnom kolegi.
Svako voli svoj pakas najvise. :D
Rusi vole uzivati ali im ameri i njihovi stitovi ne daju.
Samo ako rusi zagrme ima da stvore novo sunce od ove planete.
Sve sumnjam da bi ameri bacali nuklearne kad bi neko napao npr. Italiju .

Ameri i njihovo siledzijstvo je odavno prevrsilo sve mjere i granice.
U nuklearnom svijetu to moze biti veoma veoma opasno.
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#19573 Re: Ukrajina

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Ovi "zapadnjaci" su neprincipjelni pizduni, ako su za puno manje grijehove mogli bombardovati tamo neke bjednike tipa Srbija, Irak, Libija, Afganistan...
Zašto po istom principu i pravu ne bombarduju Rusiju? Ili su se možda malo ukakili?

Stvarno ne razumijem tu njihovu poslovičnu principjelnost i pravednost :-?
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#19575 Re: Ukrajina

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General War wrote:
mirsek wrote:[quote="General War"
Imao je priliku nebrojeno puta, Na kubi, u Avganistanu...pa zasto ne, i u Vijetnamu... pa nista ;-)
Rusi vole zivit i uzivat kao i svaki normalan insan...Putinu se prestao dizat pa hoce da se igra rata... :-)
Jedno je kad tebi neko pokusa gurati sipku u pakas a drugo je kad je gura nekom tvom interesnom kolegi.
Svako voli svoj pakas najvise. :D
Rusi vole uzivati ali im ameri i njihovi stitovi ne daju.
Samo ako rusi zagrme ima da stvore novo sunce od ove planete.
Sve sumnjam da bi ameri bacali nuklearne kad bi neko napao npr. Italiju .
Jasta nego americki stitovi ne daju...putin sam sebi izvozi gas i naftu za 100$ po barelu...i bas ga ono krenulo.
U ovom slucaju u pakas su sami sebi zavukli...a sto se tice novog sunca, to pitaj one sto imaju milijarde u londonu i stanove u parizu a i ti pogledaj kako im je bilodevedesetih...pa nistaaa... ;-)
Samo ti sanjaj sne.[/quote]
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