Dozer wrote:Ali, s obzirom da
vi "naucnici" ovdje trazite samo naucne dokaze, pri cemu ni jednom niste rekli kakav bi to nacuni dokaz trebao biti, hajde da se malo igramo sa "nenaucnim" dokazima, a koji se u dokumentima raznih vlada vode kao CLASSIFIED, i koje prezentuju ljudi titulirani sa "dr.".
FM USMISSION USUN NEW YORK TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 5997 INFO AMEMBASSY BRIDGETOWN C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 02 OF 02 USUN NEW YORK 05425 6. DR. FRIDAY THEN INTRODUCED LT.COL. LARRY COYNE, U.S.ARMY, WHO APPEARED IN A PRIVATE CAPACITY. COYNE DESCRIBED TO THE SPC A PERSONAL ENCOUNTER WITH A UFO NEAR COLUMBUS, OHIO IN 1973 WHEN HIS ARMY HELICOPTER ALMOST COLLIDED IN MID-AIR WITH A UFO. HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE WAS PREPARING A MANUSCRIPT ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE FOR A BOOK. 7. THE CHAIR RECESSED THE SPC SO THAT THE FILM ON UFO'S COULD BE SHOWN. DR. HYNEK INDICATED THAT EACH OF THE SIGHTINGS DEPICTED IN THE FILM HAD BEEN THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED AND SEVERAL OF THEM WERE HIGHLY SUSPECT. 8. WHEN THE AFTERNOON SESSION OPENED, DR. FRIDAY ANNOUNCED THAT EX-U.S. ASTRONAUT L. GORDON COOPER WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING AS SCHEDULED. HE DID, HOWEVER, READ
znači, sposobni su da dođu sa drugog planeta, ali nisu sposobni za manevar pa su se "skoro" sudarili sa helikopoterom, čija putanja je ono kao totalno - nepredvidljiva? ----> ovo je totalno logična stvar.
Gdje se tu spominju vanzemaljske letjelice? UFO nije vanzemaljska letjelica.
Ako ćeš iskreno, ono što najviše se približava dokazima su ovi wikileaksi koje lijepiš. Tu ima nečeg, ne kažem da je vanzemaljsko, već da ima nečeg (ne uvijek, ali nekad). Da li su to eksperimentalne letjelice sa Zemlje ili vanemaljci, ja to ne mogu razlučit, ne bi ni ti mogao, no eto.
Ove fotografije ne želim ni komentarisati budući da znamo koliko je teško danas modifikovat fotografiju
EDIT: Eto, Maxxtro ti je i fotografije raskrinkao.
ova fotografija je samo dokaz da ti nemaš nikakav filter koji bi odvojio moguće stvarne DOKAZE o nekakvim anomalijama, cover-upovima, i sličnim pokušajima zataškivanja i ovakvih manipulacija.
A ovo je samo jedan od primjera gdje su ti ljudi raskrinkali nešto što si pokušao nametnuti kao dokaz - a ti ćeš opet ovu sliku ubacit za 10ak stranica i reći da niko nije replicirao na nju.
Dozer wrote:Hajmo dalje.. Sta kaze naucnik, s obzirom da vi samo njima vjerujete...
1989, Bob Lazar and Area 51
In the 1980's up until the present time, Robert Lazar, an engineer and scientist, maintains that he had been studying several different captured alien UFOs at the infamous Groom Lake/Area 51/S4 bases in the Nevada desert, home of the stealth bombers, and probably the most highly secret and guarded underground military base in America.
Although he doesn't claim to have seen any aliens, Lazar states emphatically that these craft are definitely "not from this world," and that the American Government has been secretly test flying alien spacecraft at the base, and reverse-engineering the technology for years. Other witnesses, and some tantalizing video footage, so far verify his allegations and stories continue to abound of underground UFO bases in other parts of America and around the world.
Pa da vidimo šta se kaže za Bob Lazara:
Lazar claims to hold degrees from the California Institute of Technology and Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In 1993, the Los Angeles Times looked into his background and found there were no records to support those claims at either institution.UFOlogist Stanton Friedman was able to substantially verify that Lazar took electronics courses in the late 1970s at Pierce Junior College in Los Angeles.His occupation was listed as a self-employed document photo processor.His educational and professional background cannot be completely verified.
Lazar's stories have garnered some media attention and controversy. Lazar's story has some supporters, however the majority of scientific community remains skeptical. Stanton Friedman, a ufologist, claims to have looked into Lazar's background. Friedman claims that Lazar lied about attending MIT and cannot even remember the year he obtained his masters. No professors at MIT remember Bob Lazar or have any photos of him, nor are there records for him attending.
Physicist Dr. David L. Morgan says that he has scientifically refuted most of the ideas that Lazar had elaborated on in his description of the alien spacecraft, particularly its propulsion systems and use of Ununpentium, or Element 115. Morgan stated that, "After reading an account by Bob Lazar of the 'physics' of his Area 51 UFO propulsion system, my conclusion is this: Mr. Lazar presents a scenario which, if it is correct, violates a whole handful of currently accepted physical theories. That in and of itself does not necessarily mean that his scenario is impossible." Morgan went on to argue that "the presentation of the scenario by Lazar is troubling from a scientific standpoint. Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories."
Vidi se da je tvoj čovjek.
Dozer wrote:@Sizife
Da si odgledao bar djelic onoga sto su nabrajali oni neki o svim vrstama koje nas posjecuju, vjerovatno bi uvidio da ih ima koji uopste ne lice na nas, a niti komuniciraju verbalno. Naravno, i to ces preskociti, iako i sam svojim zadnjim postom kazes da je to mozda istina.
Mogu i ja komotno svoju maštu uključiti i izmisliti 50 vrsta. Ja NIGDJE nisam rekao da je nešto "MOŽDA ISTINA", nemoj mi prevrtati stvari. Rekao sam da nauka pretpostavlja
Dozer wrote:Usput, ako nema nikakve razlike izmedju ovoga o cemu ja pricam i o cemu pricaju religije, hajde neka nam onda i religije postave koju sliku boga, raja, pakla i sl. Ili, bar neki dokument koji se cuva kao :stroga tajna"... Mislim... poredjenja su vam = "nidje veze"...
jesi nam ti postavio sliku sa druge planete, od druge civilizacije? Nisi. Zašto bi ti oni lijepili boga, raja, pakla itd. Uostalom, ja mislim da su oni čak bliži vanzemaljcima nego ti. Njihova priča je više uvezana... Tvoja ima negdje nekakvih uporišta na koje bismo mogli razglabati, kao što su državni dokumenti, ali ima bogami i hvatanja za slamku u većini slučajeva.
I naravno, samo da se pozovem na ovo deminoriziranje naučnika na forumu. Možeš se ti smijati paša koliko hoćeš, ali činjenica je da si ti od nauke udaljen koliko sam ja udaljen od matematike (da se razumije, matematika je nauka ali ja je nikad nisam volio niti ću). Samo što ja znam gdje je moj limit a ti ne znaš svoj. Možeš se ismijavati nama "forumskim naučnicima" koliko hoćeš, ali jednog dana ću ja biti u svijetu nauke (nadam se i da ću na neki način doprinjeti) a ti ćeš biti idalje čovjek koji na forumu vodi krstaške ratove u ime Borgova iz Delta kvadranta,
lijepivši fotošopirane avione i tvrdeći da su vanzemaljskog porijekla.
