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kamen spoticanja wrote:Pusti ba to...te izbore stanke su im zabranjene...pa su isli kao nezavisni
nego znas li koliko je 2007 akp uzeo procenata?

Kikibombona wrote:

kamen spoticanja wrote:Pusti ba to...te izbore stanke su im zabranjene...pa su isli kao nezavisni
nego znas li koliko je 2007 akp uzeo procenata?

Naravno da su zabranjene. Samo cekam kada ce i HDP zabraniti. Turskoj teroristickoj drzavi odgovara PKK kao sto Izraelu odgovara Hamas. Turska zlocinacka politika je stvorila PKK i cine sve da sto duze traju kako bi mogli ugnjetavati kurdski narod.

I kakvi sad procenti?

Zasto je to bitno za ovu diskusiju ako cijelo vrijeme pisemo o provincijama sa kurdskom vecinom?

kamen spoticanja wrote: Bitno je da shvatis koliko si shupalj i koliko su ti diskusije navijacko-parolashke...a ustvari jedes testise jer je tayyip opet poderao uz glasove 6 miliona kurda

How the AKP dominated yesterday's election in Turkey


Turkey's Nov. 1 snap elections ended with a result that almost no one expected: a crushing, fourth consecutive victory for the Justice and Development Party (AKP), which has now been in power since 2002. The party won 49.4% of the vote, a major increase over the 40.9% it won in the previous elections, held June 7. The AKP has a comfortable majority in the parliament, holding 316 of the 550 seats. It now has enough power to form a government on its own, avoiding coalition scenarios for the next four years. The final seat count, however, fell short of giving the AKP the chance to amend the constitution on its own, which requires at least 330 seats.

Summary⎙ Print While the Justice and Development Party was projected to win in Turkey’s Nov. 1 polls, a concurrence of factors led to an unexpected sweeping victory.

How did the AKP pull off such a major victory, defying the predictions of almost all polling companies and political observers? I had predicted “some increase in the AKP votes,” but nothing this major. To understand what happened, one has to look at what changed in Turkey during the past five months, since the previous elections.

The first major change was an upsurge in terrorism, by the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) and the Islamic State, and an accompanying sense of diminishing security. The second change was a decline in the economy, in particular a surge by the US dollar at the expense of the Turkish lira. Many critics, in the Turkish opposition as well as the Western media, blamed the AKP government and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan for both of these problems. Many Turks, however, viewed things to the contrary. To them, these problems had been caused by the absence of a strong AKP government since June 7. The 13 stable years Turkey experienced under AKP has helped create a longing for that same stability under yet another strong AKP government.

Meanwhile, two opposition parties faced major problems in the past few months, leading to a significant decline in votes for them. The problem for the Nationalist Action Party (MHP) was Devlet Bahceli, its leader. Bahceli disillusioned a large number of MHP voters by bluntly rejecting every coalition option after the June elections and offering nothing more than hawkishness against Kurdish nationalists. Hence, the MHP turned out to be the biggest loser in the election, having won 16.4% of the vote (80 seats) in June, but only 11.9% (40 seats) in November. It is safe to assume that almost all of the MHP's lost votes went to the AKP.

This was helped along by the AKP consciously playing to the MHP's base, which is already considered the closest to its own. Both parties, by very broad definitions, are right wing and conservative. The AKP's latter-day toughness on Kurdish militants also helped win nationalist hearts and minds. Moreover, the AKP managed to poach a major MHP figure, Tugrul Turkes, the son of Alparslan Turkes, none other than the founder of the MHP movement.

The other opposition party suffering a setback was the polar opposite of the MHP: the pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP). In June, the HDP had scored a major victory, safely passing the 10% threshold, winning 13.1% of the votes (80 seats), doubling its traditional mandate. On Nov. 1, however, the HDP only managed to attract 10.7% of the vote (61 seats). Why did it lose so much?

One factor is that some of the votes it had won in June were “borrowed votes” — that is, the votes of people who simply wanted the party to pass the 10% threshold but this time did not vote strategically, assuming that the party would safely pass the threshold. The even more definitive factor was the failure of the “peace process” between Ankara and the armed and outlawed PKK, which both Turkey and the United States consider a terrorist organization. The resurgence of the three-decade-old war in July put the HDP in a tough spot, torn between its liberal narrative of peace and its obvious sympathy for the PKK. As a result, some religious Kurdish voters, who blamed the PKK for the resurgence of violence, returned to the AKP. The HDP lost more than a million of the votes it had won in June, and it appears that almost all of them went to the ruling party.

The AKP also seems to have attracted additional support from the base of smaller Islamist parties, which either shrank (as in the case of the Felicity Party) or did not enter the election to support the AKP (as in the case of the Kurdish Islamist Huda-Par.) The only party that saw no changes was the main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP), which won 25.4% of the vote (134 seats). The CHP seems to have a safe, solid, but static voting block, consisting mainly of urban secularists and unorthodox Alevis.

The election results represent a huge victory for the AKP, and even more so for Erdogan, who was the real mastermind behind the snap elections. His grip on power will be rock solid until 2019. Of course, this is incredibly blissful for AKP supporters, but what does it mean for opposition circles, which have of late been demonized by the government and its propaganda machine as the enemy within? Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, in his victory speech, sent a reconciliatory message to them, promising an “end to polarization and tension.” If he and Erdogan really chose a moderate and reconciliatory path, then they will be achieving a much bigger victory than in the klix elections.

kamen spoticanja wrote:a ustvari jedes testise jer je tayyip opet poderao uz glasove 6 miliona kurda

Danguba wrote:Kiki ako nije Kurd, onda ima strasne probleme.

oridjidji wrote:Kiki, sto ubi Erdogan na izborima, sta je reci?

oridjidji wrote:Jos su Ameri Turcima strana, veca nego Kurdima. Politika je kurva, u kojoj jaci slabije tlaci.

I sta da ocekujemo u buducnosti tursko-kurdskih odnosa?

Kikibombona wrote:
Kurdi se trebaju fokusirati na Siriju i Irak, da zavrse posao sa Arapima... Turke i Irance ne dirati do daljnjeg. Trenutno nemaju nikakve sanse da u te dvije zemlje naprave bilo sta. Trebaju jacati, rasti kao narod i cekati povoljan momenat na globalnom nivou da naplate racune.

insomnia78 wrote:Znaci ti podrzavas ideju guja u njedrima?
Nadam se da ce im se u tom slucaju Turci a pogotovu Iranci napiti krvi

jastuk1 wrote:

Kikibombona wrote:
Kurdi se trebaju fokusirati na Siriju i Irak, da zavrse posao sa Arapima... Turke i Irance ne dirati do daljnjeg. Trenutno nemaju nikakve sanse da u te dvije zemlje naprave bilo sta. Trebaju jacati, rasti kao narod i cekati povoljan momenat na globalnom nivou da naplate racune.

Zakasnili su. Vrijeme nacionalnih (jedno-etničkih) država odlazi u prošlost - sviđalo se to nekome ili ne.

Unatoč velikom neprijateljstvu koje dolazi od strane svih njezinih susjeda, Rojava je uspjela zadržati neovisnost i prikazati, iako zanemaYreno od strane velike većine zapadnih medija, da se tamo upravo provodi nevjerojatan demokratski eksperiment. Osnovane su lokalne skupštine, politička tijela odgovorna za donošenje odluka, vijeća skupština biraju se pažljivo vodeći računa o etničkoj ravnoteži. U svakoj općini tri najviša dužnosnika su Kurd, Arap i Armenac, a barem jedan od tri dužnosnika mora biti žena.

jastuk1 wrote:

insomnia78 wrote:Znaci ti podrzavas ideju guja u njedrima?
Nadam se da ce im se u tom slucaju Turci a pogotovu Iranci napiti krvi

Kad je riječ o Kurdima, Kiki nam je milion puta dokazao da smatra da cilj ne bira sredstva. /a fakat mi se i zauprave spava, ni druga puna džezva ne pomaže/

Opetja033 wrote:blah,blah,blah...

Turkey arrests dozens of people with links to Erdoğan critic
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... gan-critic

japin_mutapi wrote:slijede crni dani teroristima isila, pkk i monstrumu iz damaska
padišah će im dohakat svima

Martinez_ wrote:

japin_mutapi wrote:slijede crni dani teroristima isila, pkk i monstrumu iz damaska
padišah će im dohakat svima

Na čemu se bazira takva jedna pretpostavka? Imao je apsolutnu vlast i 2011 - 2014, jaku armiju i ekonomiju pa nije uradio ništa.

U međuvremenu su uleteli i Rusi, Iranci i Ameri i tek sad malo šta može učiniti

Kikibombona wrote: a podrska velikih sila je uvijek tu kada nesto treba rasparcati...

fosna2014 wrote:

Martinez_ wrote:

japin_mutapi wrote:slijede crni dani teroristima isila, pkk i monstrumu iz damaska
padišah će im dohakat svima

Na čemu se bazira takva jedna pretpostavka? Imao je apsolutnu vlast i 2011 - 2014, jaku armiju i ekonomiju pa nije uradio ništa.

U međuvremenu su uleteli i Rusi, Iranci i Ameri i tek sad malo šta može učiniti

Pusti japina, on ako dobro ne jede nije dobar.