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manuchao91 wrote: ↑09/04/2020 18:34 kako mislis opadaju
danas im vise zarazenih nego jucer i vise mrtvih nego jucer

manuchao91 wrote: ↑09/04/2020 18:40 nekako mi se čini da ovo sa Italijom predugo traje
pa jbt od pocetka februara počinje sranje a evo opet danas porast ,ne kontam...
oni da izadju iz izolacije treba jos minimalno 10 dana da broj novozarazenih bude ispod 1000 ...
a ne ovako jedan dan 3800 sutra 4200 pa spane na 3000 pa se digne na 3600 pa onda 3900 nidje veze

USA kriticna
FRA sljedece zariste

Industrialyzer wrote: ↑09/04/2020 18:58

manuchao91 wrote: ↑09/04/2020 18:40 nekako mi se čini da ovo sa Italijom predugo traje
pa jbt od pocetka februara počinje sranje a evo opet danas porast ,ne kontam...
oni da izadju iz izolacije treba jos minimalno 10 dana da broj novozarazenih bude ispod 1000 ...
a ne ovako jedan dan 3800 sutra 4200 pa spane na 3000 pa se digne na 3600 pa onda 3900 nidje veze

USA kriticna
FRA sljedece zariste

Zabraniti komentarisanje ljudima koji nemaju bar osnovno obrazovanje o mikrobima, virusima, nacinu zivota, strukturi i nacinu sirenja.


Po mom misljenju ove objave svako 24h bi trebale ici na min. 72h jer se tada dobije mnogo jasnija slika. Cak bi bilo idealno dobiti jedan "presjek" u 5 dana.

Industrialyzer wrote: ↑09/04/2020 18:58

manuchao91 wrote: ↑09/04/2020 18:40 nekako mi se čini da ovo sa Italijom predugo traje
pa jbt od pocetka februara počinje sranje a evo opet danas porast ,ne kontam...
oni da izadju iz izolacije treba jos minimalno 10 dana da broj novozarazenih bude ispod 1000 ...
a ne ovako jedan dan 3800 sutra 4200 pa spane na 3000 pa se digne na 3600 pa onda 3900 nidje veze

USA kriticna
FRA sljedece zariste

Zabraniti komentarisanje ljudima koji nemaju bar osnovno obrazovanje o mikrobima, virusima, nacinu zivota, strukturi i nacinu sirenja.


Po mom misljenju ove objave svako 24h bi trebale ici na min. 72h jer se tada dobije mnogo jasnija slika. Cak bi bilo idealno dobiti jedan "presjek" u 5 dana.

manuchao91 wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:05

Industrialyzer wrote: ↑09/04/2020 18:58

manuchao91 wrote: ↑09/04/2020 18:40 nekako mi se čini da ovo sa Italijom predugo traje
pa jbt od pocetka februara počinje sranje a evo opet danas porast ,ne kontam...
oni da izadju iz izolacije treba jos minimalno 10 dana da broj novozarazenih bude ispod 1000 ...
a ne ovako jedan dan 3800 sutra 4200 pa spane na 3000 pa se digne na 3600 pa onda 3900 nidje veze

USA kriticna
FRA sljedece zariste

Zabraniti komentarisanje ljudima koji nemaju bar osnovno obrazovanje o mikrobima, virusima, nacinu zivota, strukturi i nacinu sirenja.


Po mom misljenju ove objave svako 24h bi trebale ici na min. 72h jer se tada dobije mnogo jasnija slika. Cak bi bilo idealno dobiti jedan "presjek" u 5 dana.

izvini doktore bio sam naivan

MUNAFIK wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:13
Vec je dokazano da haman 50% zaraženih NEMA NIKAVE SIMTOME ljudi prehodaju zarazu virusom bez ikakvih problema...

Preliminary results and conclusions of the COVID-19 Case Cluster Study (Gangelt municipality)
Prof. Dr. Hendrik Streeck (Institute for Virology)
Prof. Dr. Gunther Hartmann (Institute for Clinical Chemistry and Clinical Pharmacology, Speaker of the Cluster of Excellence ImmunoSensation2)
Prof. Dr. Martin Exner (Institute for Hygiene and Public Health)
Prof. Dr. Matthias Schmid (Institute for Medical Biometry, Informatics and Epidemiology)

University Hospital Bonn, Bonn, 9 April 2020

Background: The municipality of Gangelt is one of the places in Germany most affected by COVID19 . It is assumed that the infection is due to a carnival session on 15 February 2020, as several people tested positive for SARSCoV2 in the aftermath of this session. The carnival session and the outbreak of the session are currently being investigated in more detail. A representative sample was taken from the community
Gangelt (12,529 inhabitants) in the Heinsberg district. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends a protocol in which, depending on the expected prevalence, 100 to 300 households are randomly examined. This random sample was coordinated with Prof. Manfred Güllner (Forsa) to ensure its representativeness.

Aim: The aim of the study is to determine the status of SARS-CoV2 infections (percentage of all infected persons) in the community of Gangelt, which have been and are still occurring. In addition, the status of the current SARS-CoV2 immunity shall be determined.

Procedure: A serial letter was sent to about 600 households. In total, about 1000 inhabitants from about 400 households took part in the study. Questionnaires were collected, throat swabs taken and blood tested for the presence of antibodies (IgG, IgA). The interim results and conclusions of approx. 500 persons are included in this first evaluation.

Preliminary result: An existing immunity of approx. 14% (antiSARS-CoV2 IgG positive, specificity of the method >.99 %) was determined. About 2% of the persons had a current SARS-CoV-2 infection detected by PCR method. The infection rate (current infection or already been through) was about 15 % in total. The case fatality rate in relation to the total number of infected persons in the community of Gangelt is approx. 0.37 % with the preliminary data from this study. The lethality rate currently calculated in Germany by Johns-Hopkins University is 1.98 %, which is 5 times higher. The mortality in relation to the total population in Gangelt is currently 0.15 %.

Preliminary conclusion: The lethality calculated by Johns-Hopkins University is 5 times higher than in this study in Gangelt, which is explained by the different reference size of the infected persons. In Gangelt, this study covers all infected persons in the sample, including those with asymptomatic and mild courses. In Gangelt, the proportion of the population that has already developed immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is about 15%. This means that 15% of the population in Gangelt can no longer become infected with SARS-CoV-2, and the process has already begun until herd immunity is achieved. This 15% of the population reduces the speed (net reproduction rate R in epidemiological models) of a further spread of SARS-CoV-2 accordingly.

By adhering to strict hygiene measures, it can be expected that the virus concentration in a person infected can be reduced to such an extent that the severity of the disease is reduced, while at the same time immunity is developed. These favourable conditions are not given in the case of an exceptional outbreak event (superspreading event, e.g. carnival session, après-ski bar Ischgl). With hygiene measures, favourable effects with regard to total mortality can be expected.

We therefore expressly recommend implementing the proposed four-phase strategy of the German Society for Hospital Hygiene (DGKH). This strategy provides for the following model:
Phase 1: Social quarantine with the aim of containing and slowing down the pandemic and avoiding overloading critical supply structures, especially the Health care system
Phase 2: Beginning of the withdrawal of quarantine while ensuring hygienic conditions and behaviour.
Phase 3: Lifting of the quarantine while maintaining the hygienic conditions
Phase 4: State of public life as before the COVID-19 pandemic (status quo ante).
(Statement of the DGKH can be found here:
https://www.krankenhaushygiene.de/ccUpl ... _DGKH_Einl adug_Lageeinschaetzung.pdf)

piupiu wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:26 Ljeto ce zaustaviti pandemiju? Zdra'oooo! https://www.tacno.net/nasigradovi/hoce- ... -je-manja/

piupiu wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:26 Ljeto ce zaustaviti pandemiju? Zdra'oooo! https://www.tacno.net/nasigradovi/hoce- ... -je-manja/

Lincoln-Burrows wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:36

piupiu wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:26 Ljeto ce zaustaviti pandemiju? Zdra'oooo! https://www.tacno.net/nasigradovi/hoce- ... -je-manja/

Novinarka navodi zemlje Afrike i njihove podatke a oni imaju najmanje testova i testiranih.

olensoner wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:28 Preliminarni rezultati studije COVID-19 klastera Gangelt, Heisenberg, Njemacka

Preliminary results and conclusions of the COVID-19 Case Cluster Study (Gangelt municipality)
Prof. Dr. Hendrik Streeck (Institute for Virology)
Prof. Dr. Gunther Hartmann (Institute for Clinical Chemistry and Clinical Pharmacology, Speaker of the Cluster of Excellence ImmunoSensation2)
Prof. Dr. Martin Exner (Institute for Hygiene and Public Health)
Prof. Dr. Matthias Schmid (Institute for Medical Biometry, Informatics and Epidemiology)

University Hospital Bonn, Bonn, 9 April 2020

Background: The municipality of Gangelt is one of the places in Germany most affected by COVID19 . It is assumed that the infection is due to a carnival session on 15 February 2020, as several people tested positive for SARSCoV2 in the aftermath of this session. The carnival session and the outbreak of the session are currently being investigated in more detail. A representative sample was taken from the community
Gangelt (12,529 inhabitants) in the Heinsberg district. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends a protocol in which, depending on the expected prevalence, 100 to 300 households are randomly examined. This random sample was coordinated with Prof. Manfred Güllner (Forsa) to ensure its representativeness.

Aim: The aim of the study is to determine the status of SARS-CoV2 infections (percentage of all infected persons) in the community of Gangelt, which have been and are still occurring. In addition, the status of the current SARS-CoV2 immunity shall be determined.

Procedure: A serial letter was sent to about 600 households. In total, about 1000 inhabitants from about 400 households took part in the study. Questionnaires were collected, throat swabs taken and blood tested for the presence of antibodies (IgG, IgA). The interim results and conclusions of approx. 500 persons are included in this first evaluation.

Preliminary result: An existing immunity of approx. 14% (antiSARS-CoV2 IgG positive, specificity of the method >.99 %) was determined. About 2% of the persons had a current SARS-CoV-2 infection detected by PCR method. The infection rate (current infection or already been through) was about 15 % in total. The case fatality rate in relation to the total number of infected persons in the community of Gangelt is approx. 0.37 % with the preliminary data from this study. The lethality rate currently calculated in Germany by Johns-Hopkins University is 1.98 %, which is 5 times higher. The mortality in relation to the total population in Gangelt is currently 0.15 %.

Preliminary conclusion: The lethality calculated by Johns-Hopkins University is 5 times higher than in this study in Gangelt, which is explained by the different reference size of the infected persons. In Gangelt, this study covers all infected persons in the sample, including those with asymptomatic and mild courses. In Gangelt, the proportion of the population that has already developed immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is about 15%. This means that 15% of the population in Gangelt can no longer become infected with SARS-CoV-2, and the process has already begun until herd immunity is achieved. This 15% of the population reduces the speed (net reproduction rate R in epidemiological models) of a further spread of SARS-CoV-2 accordingly.

By adhering to strict hygiene measures, it can be expected that the virus concentration in a person infected can be reduced to such an extent that the severity of the disease is reduced, while at the same time immunity is developed. These favourable conditions are not given in the case of an exceptional outbreak event (superspreading event, e.g. carnival session, après-ski bar Ischgl). With hygiene measures, favourable effects with regard to total mortality can be expected.

We therefore expressly recommend implementing the proposed four-phase strategy of the German Society for Hospital Hygiene (DGKH). This strategy provides for the following model:
Phase 1: Social quarantine with the aim of containing and slowing down the pandemic and avoiding overloading critical supply structures, especially the Health care system
Phase 2: Beginning of the withdrawal of quarantine while ensuring hygienic conditions and behaviour.
Phase 3: Lifting of the quarantine while maintaining the hygienic conditions
Phase 4: State of public life as before the COVID-19 pandemic (status quo ante).
(Statement of the DGKH can be found here:
https://www.krankenhaushygiene.de/ccUpl ... _DGKH_Einl adug_Lageeinschaetzung.pdf)

Lincoln-Burrows wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:36

piupiu wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:26 Ljeto ce zaustaviti pandemiju? Zdra'oooo! https://www.tacno.net/nasigradovi/hoce- ... -je-manja/

Novinarka navodi zemlje Afrike i njihove podatke a oni imaju najmanje testova i testiranih.

Dramatičan skok zaraženih koronavirusom u jugoistočnoj Aziji početkom marta povećao je sumnju u teoriju da bi toplije vrijeme moglo zaustaviti širenje virusa, kazali su zdravstveni stručnjaci. Zemlje od Indonezije do Tajlanda pa do Malezije i Filipina zabilježile su tada svoju najveću stopu infekcije jer su se i testiranja povećala.

freelancerBIH wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:40
Kada li ce kod nas ovako nasumicno testirati na anti tijela, ili bar da imamo mogucnost da znamo jesmo li imuni

Mozda 2120

Ali eto lijepe su vijesti da je CFR 0.37%

Mislim da bi mogao biti jos i manji...

hellhammer wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:45 Danas slusam na radiu u austriji 40% manje srcanih i mozdanih udara u zadnjih 6 sedmica

hellhammer wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:45 Danas slusam na radiu u austriji 40% manje srcanih i mozdanih udara u zadnjih 6 sedmica

hellhammer wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:45 Danas slusam na radiu u austriji 40% manje srcanih i mozdanih udara u zadnjih 6 sedmica

MUNAFIK wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:39

Lincoln-Burrows wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:36

piupiu wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:26 Ljeto ce zaustaviti pandemiju? Zdra'oooo! https://www.tacno.net/nasigradovi/hoce- ... -je-manja/

Novinarka navodi zemlje Afrike i njihove podatke a oni imaju najmanje testova i testiranih.

Nema testova nema ni zaraženih...kao i kod nas... To je ta taktika... Bit cemo zemlja sa NAJMANJE hospitalizoranih zaraženih coronom...

Ja jos cekam zvanicne podatke broja umrlih za jan, feb, mart zadnje 4 godine od OVIH VELIKIH EU zemalja pa da vidimo kolke su razlike...

freelancerBIH wrote: ↑09/04/2020 19:40
Kada li ce kod nas ovako nasumicno testirati na anti tijela, ili bar da imamo mogucnost da znamo jesmo li imuni

Mozda 2120

Ali eto lijepe su vijesti da je CFR 0.37%

Mislim da bi mogao biti jos i manji...