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#1826 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 17:27
by Shoba
off the subject: dodatak o zimbabweu

...Zimbabwe's first elections took place on March 27-29, 1980. In accordance with the Lancaster compromise, black Zimbabweans competed for 80 out of the 100 seats in the House of Assembly with 20 seats reserved for whites. Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU) won a majority with 57 seats while Joshua Nkomo's Zimbabwe African People's Union (ZAPU) won 27 seats and Abel Muzorewa's United African National Council (UANC) won three. The Rhodesian Front won all 20 white seats.[1]

Prime Minister Mugabe kept Peter Walls, the head of the army, in his government and put him in charge of integrating the Zimbabwe People's Revolutionary Army (ZIPRA), Zimbabwe African National Liberation Army (ZANLA), and the Rhodesian Army. While Western media outlets praised Mugabe's efforts at reconciliation with the white minority, tension soon developed.[2] On March 17, 1980, after several unsuccessful assassination attempts Mugabe asked Walls, "Why are your men trying to kill me?" Walls replied, "If they were my men you would be dead."[3] BBC news interviewed Walls on August 11, 1980. He told the BBC that he had asked British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to annul the 1980 presidential election prior to the official announcement of the result on the grounds that Mugabe used intimidation to win the election. Walls said Thatcher had not replied to his request. On August 12 British government officials denied that they had not responded, saying Anthony Duff, Deputy Governor of Salisbury, told Walls on March 3 that Thatcher would not annul the election.[4]...

#1827 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 20:04
by pitt
samo za druga jezeka malo "bathroom readings"

The post-mortem

The fall of the House of Clinton

Jun 5th 2008 | WASHINGTON, DC
From The Economist print edition


Hillary Clinton has seen a nomination that was once hers for the taking slip from her grasp. How could it have happened?

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THIS time last year it looked as if Hillary Clinton's path to the Democratic nomination would be a cakewalk. She had the best brand-name in American politics. She controlled the Democratic establishment. She had money to burn and a double-digit lead in the opinion polls. And as the first American woman to have a chance of breaking the presidential glass ceiling, she had a great story to tell.

And Barack Obama? He was a first-term senator with few legislative achievements and a worrying penchant for honesty (in his autobiography he admitted to using marijuana and even cocaine, “when you could afford it”). He knew how to give a good speech. But how could that compare with Mrs Clinton's assets—a well-oiled political machine and a winning political formula that combined a carefully-calibrated appeal to the centre with hard-edged political tactics?

Today, Mrs Clinton has not only lost the Democratic nomination. She has humiliated herself in the process. She has been forced to lend her campaign more than $11m of her own money. She has cosied up to some of her former persecutors in the “vast right wing conspiracy”, notably Richard Mellon Scaife, a newspaper magnate. She has engaged in phoney populism, calling for a temporary break on petrol taxes, praising “hardworking Americans, white Americans”, vowing to “totally obliterate” Iran and waving the bloody shirt of September 11th. The conservative Weekly Standard praised her as “a feminist form of George Bush”. So how did one of America's most accomplished politicians turn a cakewalk into a quagmire?

From the first most of her biggest advantages proved to be booby-trapped. Mrs Clinton stood head and shoulders above Mr Obama when it came to experience—she had been one of the two most influential first ladies in American history and had proved to be a diligent senator, a “work-horse, not a show horse”. But Mrs Clinton's “experience” included her decision to vote in favour of invading Iraq, a decision that was radioactive to many Democrats. And Mr Obama was the first to grasp that this is an election about change, not experience. Americans have had enough of experience in the form of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Seventy per cent of them say America is headed in the wrong direction.

The Clinton machine only exaggerated this problem. Mrs Clinton surrounded herself with familiar faces from her White House years—people like Mark Penn, her chief strategist, Terry McAuliffe, her chief fund-raiser, Howard Wolfson (one of the least helpful spokesmen this newspaper has ever encountered) and, of course, her husband. But these people were all deeply enmeshed in a Washington establishment that most voters despised.


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Mr Penn, one of Washington's most powerful lobbyists, continued to lobby for a free-trade deal even as Mrs Clinton was trying to appeal to blue-collar voters by denouncing free trade. These people also summoned up uncomfortable memories from the 1990s. Did America really want to spend another four, or eight, years watching Mr McAuliffe et al catching flack on behalf of the Clintons? “Everybody in politics lies”, David Geffen, a Hollywood mogul, said last year. But the Clintons “do it with such ease, it's troubling”.

Bill Clinton was the very embodiment of the Clinton paradox: a huge asset who was also a huge liability. Mr Clinton is a political superstar—a man who left office with a 60% approval rating and a claim to have delivered eight years of peace and prosperity. Most Democrats love him. But he is also a cad and a narcissist.

His presence on the campaign trail reminded voters that Mrs Clinton is hardly a self-made woman—she rose to power on his coat-tails and endured repeated humiliations in the process. It also undercut her claim to executive experience. Mrs Clinton had made a mess of the health-care portfolio that her husband had handed her in 1993. And it raised the question of what Mr Clinton would do in the White House. Would he be an unelected vice-president? And would he re-establish the dysfunctional politics that had characterised the presidency in the 1990s?



You're out of time
The Clinton machine was too stuck in the 1990s to grasp how the internet was revolutionising political fund-raising. Mrs Clinton built the best fund-raising machine of the 20th century—persuading Democratic fat cats to make the maximum contributions allowable and accumulating a vast treasure trove of money. But Mr Obama trumped her by building the best fund-raising machine of the 21st century.

Mr Obama simultaneously lowered the barrier to entry to Obamaworld and raised expectations of what it meant to be a supporter. Mr Obama's supporters not only showered him with small donations. They also volunteered their time and enthusiasm. His website was thus a vast social networking site (one of his chief organisers was a founder of Facebook)—a mechanism not just for translating enthusiasm into cash but also for building a community of fired-up supporters. Mr Obama's small donations proved to be a renewable resource, as supporters could give several times, up to a maximum of $2,300. Mrs Clinton ran out of cash.

The Clinton machine was also too stuck in the 1990s to see how radically the political landscape was changing around them. Here Mr Penn—the campaign strategist who helped to mastermind Bill Clinton's re-election triumph in 1996—was particularly culpable. Mr Penn underestimated Mr Obama's appeal. He relied on the techniques that had served him well in 1996—microtargeting small groups of voters (he even published a book during the campaign on “microtrends”) and emphasising Mrs Clinton's middle-of-the-road credentials. But this was a big-trend election—and the biggest trend of all was changing the status quo in Washington.

These strategic errors probably doomed the campaign from the first. The Clintonites were so confident of an early victory that they spent money like drunken sailors (one of the biggest beneficiaries of all this spending was Mr Penn's own political consultancy). The campaign was all but bankrupt by late January—though Patti Solis Doyle, the campaign manager, failed to tell her boss the bad news—and the Obama campaign outspent them two or three to one on Super Tuesday, February 5th. The machine was so confident of victory in the big states such as California, Ohio and Pennsylvania that it failed to plan for the smaller caucus states, or for the primaries and caucuses that were to follow immediately afterwards. Mr Obama was thus given free rein to rack up huge victories in places like Virginia. After Super Tuesday, Mr Obama scored a series of 11 wins in a row. Without those, he would never have secured the nomination.

These grand strategic errors were compounded by poor day-to day management. The people who introduced the “war room” to American politics proved to be slow-witted and gaffe-prone. Remember Bill Clinton's decision to belittle Mr Obama's victory in South Carolina by pointing out that Jesse Jackson had also won the state? The only logical implication of that was the slur that a black candidate somehow could not win. Or Mrs Clinton's claim that she dodged sniper fire in Bosnia? The Clinton machine all but fell apart under the pressure of defeat. Rival factions, grouped around Mr Penn and Harold Ickes, were constantly at each other's throats. Mrs Clinton was forced to sack Mrs Doyle and marginalise Mr Penn.

This chaos left Mrs Clinton without a compelling story to sell to the Democratic electorate. She tried fitfully to co-opt Mr Obama's “change” message. She alternated between being an iron lady, ready on day one, and a put-upon woman, bullied by mean boys. She reinvented herself as a working-class hero, Rocky in a pantsuit. But this created an impression of slipperiness and opportunism. In some states half of the voters said that Mrs Clinton was not honest.

The chaos also gave the Democratic establishment a chance to ditch the party's first family. Many Democratic politicians had always disliked the Clintons for handing Congress to the Republicans in 1994 and triangulating their way out of trouble. They were only willing to stick with them as long as they looked like winners. Ted Kennedy's decision to anoint Mr Obama as the heir to the legacy of Camelot was an important symbolic moment (“this election is about the future, not the past”, he said pointedly.) But even before that a striking number of superdelegates had been unwilling to endorse a woman who was supposed to be the inevitable candidate. The silence of Al Gore, Mr Clinton's vice-president, spoke volumes.



A near-run thing
The Clinton campaign might well reply that this catalogue of failures ignores the fact that it was a very close run result. Mrs Clinton won almost exactly the same number of votes as Mr Obama (and claims to have won slightly more, though on a fair count she won fractionally less). She won most of the big states. She improved hugely as a campaigner after the reverses of February, and pulled off big victories in the final weeks of the campaign.

But given the scale of her advantages a year ago there is no doubt that the Clinton campaign comprehensively blew it. Mr Obama will now go on to fight the general election with his primary strategy vindicated and his campaign staff intact. Mrs Clinton has big debts and a brand that is badly tarnished.

She faces an uncertain political future. There are still plenty of Democrats who argue for a “dream ticket”. But Mr Obama probably has other ideas—particularly since she publicly speculated about his assassination. Mrs Clinton still has a power-base in the Senate. But she remains a junior figure in an institution with a famously low turnover, surrounded by colleagues who spurned her in favour of the new kid from Illinois; and Harry Reid is dug in as majority leader. She may find it more attractive to run for the governorship of New York.

And, during the campaign, Mrs Clinton has damaged not only her future but also her past. The Clintons were modernisers who argued that the Democratic Party needed to reinvent itself—embracing free-trade, investing in human capital and reaching out to upwardly mobile voters. During her inept bid Mrs Clinton fell back on all the worst instincts of Democratic politics—denouncing free trade, stirring up the resentments of blue-collar America, and adding a flirtation with racism to the brew. After such an unedifying performance, it is hard to believe that Mrs Clinton's failed campaign represents a missed opportunity for America.

#1828 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 20:05
by pitt
The primaries

Over at last

Jun 5th 2008 | SIOUX FALLS
From The Economist print edition


Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee. But it's a long way to the White House

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AFTER 16 arduous months, the race for the Democratic nomination is over. On June 3rd, after winning Montana, losing South Dakota and capturing a fresh gaggle of superdelegates, Barack Obama declared victory. If he beats John McCain in November, he will be America's first black president. His supporters, already quite excited about their candidate, surrendered to the ecstasy of the moment.

Mr Obama did nothing to dampen their enthusiasm. “[G]enerations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth,” he told a vast, roaring throng of fans in St Paul, Minnesota. A little self-aggrandising, perhaps, but they loved it.

His supporters, of course, have loved him all along. Mr Obama has raised more money than any primary candidate ever. In every state, even the ones he lost, he has attracted colossal, euphoric crowds while his rivals in both parties have had to make do with small, polite ones. The only danger is that among those supporters, he has raised expectations so high that he cannot plausibly fulfil them. “He's bringing a new generation; a better generation,” says Tiffany Harris, a 19-year-old waitress in South Dakota. She then indicates her pregnant stomach and gushes: “It's like, I'm bringing a new generation, and he's doing that too.”

Hillary Clinton never knew what hit her. On the last day before the last primaries, she looked spent. Twice during speeches in South Dakota, she lost her voice. Coughing and slightly teary, she had to stop and drink water while her daughter took over the microphone. At a fairground in Sioux Falls, a hefty chunk of the audience wandered off before Mrs Clinton's speech was over.

Though Mr Obama's supporters are palpably more passionate than Mrs Clinton's, his margin of victory was narrow. In the 56 primaries and caucuses, he won 1,767 delegates to her 1,640. Among the 823 unelected superdelegates (party bigwigs with ex officio votes), Mr Obama leads by 415 to 282, with 130 yet to declare. His total, 2,181, is well over the required 2,118.

The narrowness of the margin has made it hard for the Clinton camp to accept defeat. On the night Mr Obama declared victory, Mrs Clinton refused to concede: indeed, in a speech that missed a fine opportunity to be statesmanlike, she sounded defiant to the point of delusion. She boasted that she won more of the popular vote than him, which is true only under Clintonian assumptions and irrelevant besides. “In Defeat, Clinton Graciously Pretends to Win,” mocked a headline in the Washington Post. But after a day of intrigue, it looked likely that her concession would take place on June 7th.

It is theoretically possible that the superdelegates who have announced their support for Mr Obama could change their minds before the convention in August and hand the nomination to Mrs Clinton. But it is vanishingly improbable, barring the revelation that Mr Obama is secretly a polygamous Mafia boss in the pay of Iran.

More likely, she is angling for the vice-presidency. But she probably won't get it, not least because the White House would be awfully crowded with both Clintons back in it. There are other, easier ways for Mr Obama to strengthen his appeal to the working-class voters who pointedly preferred Mrs Clinton to him during the primaries. He could offer the second slot to the governor of Ohio, Ted Strickland, for instance, or to Ed Rendell, who governs equally-crucial Pennsylvania.



Now for the general
The battle between Mr Obama and Mr McCain is now on. It might, conceivably, be civil—Mr McCain has invited Mr Obama to hold joint town-hall meetings with him, where both men answer whatever questions the audience tosses at them. But it will also be heated, and filled with distortions. Mr McCain congratulated his opponent but said he was surprised that such a young man should subscribe to so many bad old ideas, such as that government is the answer to every problem. Mr Obama retorted that Mr McCain offers four more years of President George Bush's economic failures and 100 more years in Iraq. Both were unfair.

Given the war, the economic gloom and the wind at the Democrats' backs, Mr Obama ought to win easily in November. But first he must unite behind him a large portion of those who voted for Mrs Clinton. That will not be easy. Consider the example of Kathy Nicolette, a former teacher who thinks teachers are underpaid and oil firms to blame for petrol prices so high she may have to walk to work. She supported Mrs Clinton. But if Mr Obama is the nominee, she says she will vote for Mr McCain.

Sitting with her dogs by the waterfall for which the city of Sioux Falls is named, Ms Nicolette explains that she rather liked Mr Obama when he first appeared on the scene. She read his autobiography and was impressed. But she has grown to distrust him. His relationship with his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, appals her. “I can't imagine how he listened to a guy saying ‘God damn America' for 20 years and only now he distances himself,” she says. Many so-called Reagan Democrats will share her sentiments.

Come November, writes Dick Morris, a disaffected former aide to Bill Clinton, “Obama will still be black and the Rev Wright will still be nuts.” Charlie Cook, a more neutral analyst, takes a more nuanced line. Mr Obama's problem is not just racial, he says. Many Americans, particularly older ones, are uncomfortable with his exotic background. If his name was Smith and he had grown up entirely in America (rather than partly in Indonesia) they might find it easier to relate to him. Mr Obama's challenge is to refute the false rumours swirling around the internet—that he is a Muslim, that he sympathises with terrorists—and make suspicious voters feel comfortable with him. If he can do that, he will win, says Mr Cook. If not, he won't.

#1829 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 20:07
by pitt
Lexington

Crises of faith
Jun 5th 2008
From The Economist print edition

Both Barack Obama and John McCain have problems with religion


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FEW Democrats have seemed more comfortable talking about God than Barack Obama has. And yet few, if any, have had more problems with God at the ballot box—from rumours that he is a Muslim to doubts among Catholic and Jewish voters to repeated “pastor eruptions”.

This is a serious worry for the Democrats as they gird their loins for the general election. Four years ago the party finally grasped what should have been obvious for years: that running as a secular party in a highly religious country is a recipe for defeat. George Bush not only beat John Kerry by huge margins among “values voters”. He also profited from a visceral sense that there was something unAmerican about the Democrats' secularism. Seven out of ten Americans routinely tell pollsters that they want their president to have a strong personal faith.

The Democrats sensibly (if cynically) set about closing the God gap. The party ran candidates with impeccable religious credentials—Ted Strickland, a former Methodist minister, in Ohio; Tim Kaine, a former missionary, in Virginia; and Robert Casey, a pro-life Catholic, in Pennsylvania. The Democratic National Committee also hired a new species of political professionals—“religious outreach specialists”.

The leading Democratic candidates all talked about God with a gusto that had once been reserved for the Republicans. Hillary Clinton said that she was a “praying person” who had once contemplated becoming a Methodist minister. She also outraged some of her hard-core supporters by describing abortion as a “tragedy”. John Edwards said that his crusade against poverty was rooted in his Christian faith. The New Testament, after all, has a lot more to say about poverty than about gay marriage.

But none of them talked about God as well as Mr Obama. Mr Obama had a great conversion story to tell—he was the child of agnostic parents who had “felt God's spirit beckoning me” as a young man and had been baptised at the age of 26. And he talked about religion in a way that appealed to both his party's religious and its secular wings. The Republicans may have co-opted religion for reactionary political ends. But the religion that Mr Obama embraced—the religion of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King—was a force for social reform. In his career-making speech at the Democratic convention in 2004 he noted that Americans worship the same “awesome God” in the red states and the blue states. Surely the Democrats had discovered the perfect solution to their God problem?

Two high-octane preachers in Mr Obama's hometown of Chicago put paid to that hope. Jeremiah Wright's cries of “God damn America” almost shook the wheels off his campaign in March. Then last week America witnessed another “pastor eruption”—Father Michael Pfleger, a white Catholic, mocking Hillary Clinton as an “entitled” white crybaby. Hardly the stuff of religious reconciliation and responsible social reform.

Mr Obama's problems with God are not limited to Trinity United Church, which he formally abandoned this week. He may have done enough to quell worries among Jewish voters with a robust speech on June 4th. But the persistent rumours that he is a Muslim—contemptible though they are—will remain a problem during the general election. A poll for Newsweek in May found that 11% of Americans believe that Mr Obama is a Muslim, and a further 22% could not identify his religion.

Mr Obama may also have problems with Catholic voters—a group that has been one of the most important swing votes in America since Ronald Reagan and that is over-represented in almost all the swing states. Mrs Clinton won 72% of the votes of white Catholics in the Pennsylvania primary—a nine-point improvement on her performance among whites as a whole and a 13-point improvement on her performance with white Protestants. Only 59% of Catholic Democrats, compared with 70% of Protestants, said that they would vote Democratic in November if Mr Obama were the nominee. Mr Obama's failure with Catholics was not for want of trying: he was backed by Mr Casey and recruited an army of “faith community contacts”. Nor was it a one-off problem: exactly the same thing occurred in Ohio, where Catholics put Mr Bush over the top in 2004, and Massachusetts, where even the Kennedy name could not rescue Mr Obama.

And then there's McCain
The good news for Mr Obama in all of this is that he is up against a Republican candidate in John McCain who has plenty of God problems of his own. Mr McCain has a tin ear for religion. He is in many ways a throwback to the pre-Reagan Republican Party of Nixon and Ford—a party that regarded religion as something that you did in private. He is much happier talking about courage than compassion. At one point recently he sounded confused as to whether he was a Baptist or an Episcopalian.

Mr McCain has also been making a hash of dealing with his religion problem. He initially embraced the support of the religious right's own versions of Jeremiah Wright in the form of John Hagee (who believes that the anti-Christ will return to earth in the form of a “fierce” gay Jew) and Ron Parsley (one of the leaders of the anti-gay marriage movement), though he recently rejected both men. He seems blind to the fact that the leadership of the evangelical community is shifting to a new generation of much more appealing leaders such as Rick Warren.

All this makes for a much more even fight for the religious vote than for a long time. But it will also make for a more intense fight—with the Democrats aggressively courting Catholics and evangelicals and the Republicans relentlessly trying to tie Mr Obama to Mr Wright. Those people, in both secular Europe and on the secular wing of the Democratic Party, who had hoped that America's God-soaked politics would disappear with Mr Bush are in for a disappointment.

#1830 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 20:16
by jefferson
pitt wrote:Lexington

Crises of faith
Jun 5th 2008
From The Economist print edition

Both Barack Obama and John McCain have problems with religion


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FEW Democrats have seemed more comfortable talking about God than Barack Obama has. And yet few, if any, have had more problems with God at the ballot box—from rumours that he is a Muslim to doubts among Catholic and Jewish voters to repeated “pastor eruptions”.

This is a serious worry for the Democrats as they gird their loins for the general election. Four years ago the party finally grasped what should have been obvious for years: that running as a secular party in a highly religious country is a recipe for defeat. George Bush not only beat John Kerry by huge margins among “values voters”. He also profited from a visceral sense that there was something unAmerican about the Democrats' secularism. Seven out of ten Americans routinely tell pollsters that they want their president to have a strong personal faith.

The Democrats sensibly (if cynically) set about closing the God gap. The party ran candidates with impeccable religious credentials—Ted Strickland, a former Methodist minister, in Ohio; Tim Kaine, a former missionary, in Virginia; and Robert Casey, a pro-life Catholic, in Pennsylvania. The Democratic National Committee also hired a new species of political professionals—“religious outreach specialists”.

The leading Democratic candidates all talked about God with a gusto that had once been reserved for the Republicans. Hillary Clinton said that she was a “praying person” who had once contemplated becoming a Methodist minister. She also outraged some of her hard-core supporters by describing abortion as a “tragedy”. John Edwards said that his crusade against poverty was rooted in his Christian faith. The New Testament, after all, has a lot more to say about poverty than about gay marriage.

But none of them talked about God as well as Mr Obama. Mr Obama had a great conversion story to tell—he was the child of agnostic parents who had “felt God's spirit beckoning me” as a young man and had been baptised at the age of 26. And he talked about religion in a way that appealed to both his party's religious and its secular wings. The Republicans may have co-opted religion for reactionary political ends. But the religion that Mr Obama embraced—the religion of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King—was a force for social reform. In his career-making speech at the Democratic convention in 2004 he noted that Americans worship the same “awesome God” in the red states and the blue states. Surely the Democrats had discovered the perfect solution to their God problem?

Two high-octane preachers in Mr Obama's hometown of Chicago put paid to that hope. Jeremiah Wright's cries of “God damn America” almost shook the wheels off his campaign in March. Then last week America witnessed another “pastor eruption”—Father Michael Pfleger, a white Catholic, mocking Hillary Clinton as an “entitled” white crybaby. Hardly the stuff of religious reconciliation and responsible social reform.

Mr Obama's problems with God are not limited to Trinity United Church, which he formally abandoned this week. He may have done enough to quell worries among Jewish voters with a robust speech on June 4th. But the persistent rumours that he is a Muslim—contemptible though they are—will remain a problem during the general election. A poll for Newsweek in May found that 11% of Americans believe that Mr Obama is a Muslim, and a further 22% could not identify his religion.

Mr Obama may also have problems with Catholic voters—a group that has been one of the most important swing votes in America since Ronald Reagan and that is over-represented in almost all the swing states. Mrs Clinton won 72% of the votes of white Catholics in the Pennsylvania primary—a nine-point improvement on her performance among whites as a whole and a 13-point improvement on her performance with white Protestants. Only 59% of Catholic Democrats, compared with 70% of Protestants, said that they would vote Democratic in November if Mr Obama were the nominee. Mr Obama's failure with Catholics was not for want of trying: he was backed by Mr Casey and recruited an army of “faith community contacts”. Nor was it a one-off problem: exactly the same thing occurred in Ohio, where Catholics put Mr Bush over the top in 2004, and Massachusetts, where even the Kennedy name could not rescue Mr Obama.

And then there's McCain
The good news for Mr Obama in all of this is that he is up against a Republican candidate in John McCain who has plenty of God problems of his own. Mr McCain has a tin ear for religion. He is in many ways a throwback to the pre-Reagan Republican Party of Nixon and Ford—a party that regarded religion as something that you did in private. He is much happier talking about courage than compassion. At one point recently he sounded confused as to whether he was a Baptist or an Episcopalian.

Mr McCain has also been making a hash of dealing with his religion problem. He initially embraced the support of the religious right's own versions of Jeremiah Wright in the form of John Hagee (who believes that the anti-Christ will return to earth in the form of a “fierce” gay Jew) and Ron Parsley (one of the leaders of the anti-gay marriage movement), though he recently rejected both men. He seems blind to the fact that the leadership of the evangelical community is shifting to a new generation of much more appealing leaders such as Rick Warren.

All this makes for a much more even fight for the religious vote than for a long time. But it will also make for a more intense fight—with the Democrats aggressively courting Catholics and evangelicals and the Republicans relentlessly trying to tie Mr Obama to Mr Wright. Those people, in both secular Europe and on the secular wing of the Democratic Party, who had hoped that America's God-soaked politics would disappear with Mr Bush are in for a disappointment.
E znas sta sam zakljucio iz zadnjeg broja.
Pored naslovnice koja stvarno udara u bit (da mi je vidjeti crnca bar kao ministra negdje u EU) , ali skonto sam da urednistvo The Economista nije bas najsretnije sa rezultatom demokratskih izbora.
Economist je super, ali mi nihovo naginjanje republikancima nekad stvarno ide n k...!

#1831 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 20:23
by pitt
pa The Economist generalno naginje republikancima radi ekonomije (free trade, no subs i protections, etc) ali se ne bih iznenadio da bas radi toga ne podrze Obamu kasnije. Realno govoreci, free trade se nece ukinuti nikada i to znaju i obama i helga i mccain. A sto se tice "ostatka" ekonomije, mccain je dvorska luda :D

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#1832 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 20:43
by jefferson
Pa dobro, i ptice na grani znaju da economist naginje republikancima, i da se razumijemo, super je novina (ne bi placao onoliki subscription dzaba) medjutim, malo me zdanji broj izbacio iz takta trazeci dlaku u jajetu Obami, za razliku od McCaina. Inace sto se tice ekonomije, McCain mora upisati ECON 202 ponovo!

#1833 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 21:02
by pitt
kakav ba 202...to je advance :D :D onu 98 i 99....pre intro :D :D

#1834 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 21:35
by ahuseino
BW mi je taman. The Economist nemam kad prochitat' u jednoj sedmici...

#1835 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 21:37
by pitt
Ma BW nema international sadrzaj dobar.

#1836 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 21:41
by ahuseino
pitt wrote:Ma BW nema international sadrzaj dobar.
Vjerovatno tebi treba vishe breadth zbog posla.

Meni - not so critical...

Josh nisam otkrio da 'naginju' i na jednu stranu.

#1837 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 21:43
by pitt
ma vise manje radi posla....za to imam WSJ i FT :D :D Ovo je samo perk za moju dushu....o corporate trosku :D :D

#1838 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 21:58
by jefferson
pitt wrote:ma vise manje radi posla....za to imam WSJ i FT :D :D Ovo je samo perk za moju dushu....o corporate trosku :D :D
Ma ja samo se grebes!
Ja sam bio pretplacen na BW, ali na internetu sve ima i nekako mi se ne isplati s obzirom sta nude, a zbog posla The Economist mi je bas dobar kao i Foreign Affairs. Sreca FA izlazi dvo-mjesecno, s obzirom na kolicinu teksta.

#1839 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 22:05
by pitt
jefferson wrote:
pitt wrote:ma vise manje radi posla....za to imam WSJ i FT :D :D Ovo je samo perk za moju dushu....o corporate trosku :D :D
Ma ja samo se grebes!
Ja sam bio pretplacen na BW, ali na internetu sve ima i nekako mi se ne isplati s obzirom sta nude, a zbog posla The Economist mi je bas dobar kao i Foreign Affairs. Sreca FA izlazi dvo-mjesecno, s obzirom na kolicinu teksta.
Sto je dzabe i bogu je drago :D :Di za FA sam ih smuntao :D ostali finansijski magazini institutional onvestor, alpha, worth, financial planner, etc su dzaba ako radis za neku od vecis kompanija :D Ma samo da je vremena za procitati sve.

#1840 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 10/06/2008 22:13
by pitt
umalo ne zaboravih....iz danasnjeg jornala

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Obama, Religion and the Public Square
June 10, 2008; Page A15
Barack Obama is no John Kennedy. And that may turn out to be a good thing. At least with regard to reversing one of the unintended consequences of Camelot: the idea that religious voices have no place on the public square.


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At first blush, Sen. Obama may appear to be an odd choice to lead such a reversal. Until very recently, he worshipped at a church whose preachers apparently regard America as something to be abhorred – and have a distressing penchant for being filmed while they do so. Earlier in the primaries, Mr. Obama took flak for his own comments describing small-town Pennsylvania as a place populated by those who "cling to" religion because they are "bitter." And Mr. Obama's positions on hot-button issues like abortion – as a member of the Illinois Senate, he voted against legislation protecting a child who was born alive despite an abortion – put him at odds with many of those thought to represent the religious vote.

Yet there is more to Mr. Obama and religion than the recent headlines might suggest. Nowhere is that more clear than in the thoughtful address he delivered two years ago to a Sojourners/Call to Renewal conference. In that speech, the senator made clear his distance from religious conservatives, and called for an end to faith "as a tool of attack." Yet the thrust of his remarks was directed squarely at liberal Democrats. Their discomfort with all things religious, he said, runs against American history, and robs progressives of the ability to speak to their fellow citizens in moral terms.

Here is how he put it: "Secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, William Jennings Bryan, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King – indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history – were not only motivated by faith but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause. To say that men and women should not inject their 'personal morality' into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition."

How remarkable these words are – and how much they depart from the views of the man whose torch Mr. Obama is now said to carry. In his now-famous address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association in 1960, John Kennedy called for "an America where the separation of church and state is absolute." He went on to state that a president's faith should be "his own private affair," by which he seemed to suggest that it ought to have no influence at all on any policy. As if to underscore the point, he added that he opposed government aid to parochial schools as well as the appointment of a U.S. ambassador to the Vatican.

In fairness to Kennedy, the times were different and so were the questions he faced. At that time too, Rome had not embraced religious liberty for all, and remained ambivalent to democracy. For many Americans, the idea of a Catholic nation or a Catholic leader conjured up images of Francisco Franco's Spain. In this context, Kennedy's political need was to reassure voters that he assented fully to the American proposition – and that he would not be taking orders from the pope. All this he had to do, moreover, without alienating Catholics by seeming to repudiate the faith of his fathers.

He did so brilliantly, and his election less than two months later proved that a Catholic could be president.

The other legacy of that speech has been less positive. In time, the reassurances Kennedy gave about his Catholicism hardened into a new orthodoxy which denies those motivated by religious principles a place in public debate. Even one of the Catholic intellectuals who had been consulted on Kennedy's Houston remarks, the Jesuit priest John Courtney Murray, would later say that Kennedy took separationist principles further than he would have.

We now have a better idea why. In his just-released memoir "Counselor: A Life at the Edge of History," Ted Sorensen gives some background to the Houston speech. In a fascinating account, Mr. Sorensen notes that the Unitarian Church in which he was raised stood at the "opposite ends" of the Catholic Church on most understandings about faith, doctrine, church-state relations, etc. He goes on to say that "many of the speeches that I drafted reflect Unitarian principles." And he implies that this is precisely how JFK regarded these writings as well.

Whether or not Kennedy intended it, his remarks at Houston have fostered a view that has driven many Democrats out of their own party. And whether or not he intended it, Barack Obama has put the Concordat of 1960 up for a rethink.

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#1841 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 00:28
by walkabout
"I want to see if he will walk the walk." :lol:
pitt wrote:
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samo meni bi karikatura bila kompletnija da je crtac pokazao zgradu crkve povezanu sa zgradom vojnog kompleksa, ova sa zgradom naftnog lobija, ova sa zgradom medijskih mogula, ova sa zgradom jevrejskog lobija, ova sa zgradom...ciji se naslov ne vidi...i tako u nedogled...
a raja stoji sa strane puta i navija ko na utakmici...

#1842 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 02:19
by walkabout
evo zavrsih citanje 3 clanka iz The Economist-a...taman kad se covjek razrahati, moraju doci vaki clanci... :oops:
Pitte, crko DBD, ubismo se citajuch...ali u svakom slucaju, hvala ti sto temu pittash ovakvim postovima...stvarno su kvalitetni... :thumbup:

#1843 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 15:45
by stulic
pici wrote:McCain dobiva iz milion razloga,ne zato sto je bolji,uspjesniji,obrazovaniji,mladji,bjelji :D itd itd vec zato sto lobi u Americi nista nije se vise promijenio od prije 30-40 godina,tu su iste lobisticke strane sa istim teznjama i ciljevima.Opasniji konkurent je bila Klintonka,ne zato sto je zenmska vec zbog lobisticke podrske supruga.Pretezno svi bijeli americki glasovi koji su davali podrsku Klintonki idu McCain.
Sto se ne suzdrzite od postanja u temama o kojima nemate blage veze, niti imate namjeru ozbiljno diskutirati?

#1844 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 22:13
by walkabout
oooo...jel moguce, Busha savijest pocela da gricka...

babo sa jaranima postavio, da bi se nakon 8 godina "ispostavilo" "ovo zajeban poso"... :-? .."zao mi raje"... :-?

a sjecate li se kako se shegacio kad su trazili WMD, zavirujuci se ispod svog stola u Oval office, samo da ovaj detalj navedem...

a sad udarila savijest uglavu... :oops:

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THE US President, George Bush, has admitted he regrets his legacy as a man who pushed for war and says he has found it painful to have put young people "in harm's way".

In an extraordinary interview with The Times on the eve of a visit to Britain, Mr Bush said his macho language and rhetoric had painted him as a "guy really anxious for war" and that he now had a desire to help pave the way for international diplomacy in global dealings with Iran.

On Monday Mr Bush began a six-day farewell tour of Europe that will include a meeting with the Queen and dinner with the beleaguered British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, on Sunday.

He will also meet leaders in France, Italy and Germany who hold none of the rancour over Iraq that came from predecessors such as JacquesChirac and Gerhard Schroeder.

Mr Bush will be in Rome today, where he will meet an ebullient, newly re-elected Silvio Berlusconi, who has vociferously supported the US in Iraq and is expected to discuss the possibility of sending more troops. Italy withdrew combat troops in 2006.

Mr Bush said the philosophical and social schisms created by the war in Iraq had led to a deep global misunderstanding of the US and that in hindsight he would have chosen a "different tone and a different rhetoric".

Using expressions such as "dead or alive" or "bring them on" had created a perception of him as a man who did not value peace and he had found it terribly painful to have to "put youngsters in harm's way".

Mr Bush's admission came soon after a Democratic congressman, Dennis Kucinich, introduced 35 articles of impeachment against him into Congress, accusing the President of taking the US to war in Iraq under false pretences. The move was expected to fail, as Democratic leaders oppose it. Mr Kucinich tried to impeach the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, last year.

Mr Bush told The Times that the focus of his final six months in office would be to secure agreement on the establishment of a Palestinian state and to "leave behind a series of structures that makes it easier for the next president".

He said that when his successor had considered "what will work or what won't work in dealing with Iran", he would end up sticking with the present policy.

He downplayed the comments of Shaul Mofaz, a hardline Israeli minister, who said a military strike on Iran is "unavoidable", saying that the world needs to work in a united way on Iraq.

He suggested Barack Obama's pledge to renegotiate trade deals were sounding alarms in Europe. "There is concern about protectionism and economic nationalism," he said. "Leaders recognise now is the time to get ahead of this issue before it becomes ingrained in the political systems of our respective countries."

Asked if the US was ready for a black president, Mr Bush said Senator Obama's nomination showed how far the nation had come but that Americans needed to understand that the leadership in the 21st century was a "challenging job".

#1845 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 22:17
by jeza u ledja
Sad mu zao.... crko dabogda. :x

#1846 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 22:20
by pitt
ma nije ba ....zao mu sto je koristio onakve rijeci i retoriku ali nije mu sekunde zao rata niti se kaje za irak. Govno skontalo da je pametnije odradio sad ne bi ginuli samo amerikanci vec mozda i neke UN trupe. Sto je najgore, fakat sad ako bi se povukli, tek bi onda krvoprolice nastalo tamo. :(

#1847 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 22:57
by jeza u ledja
pitt wrote:ma nije ba ....zao mu sto je koristio onakve rijeci i retoriku ali nije mu sekunde zao rata niti se kaje za irak. Govno skontalo da je pametnije odradio sad ne bi ginuli samo amerikanci vec mozda i neke UN trupe. Sto je najgore, fakat sad ako bi se povukli, tek bi onda krvoprolice nastalo tamo. :(
Svejedno, nek se povuku.

#1848 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 23:12
by ahuseino
jeza u ledja wrote:
pitt wrote:ma nije ba ....zao mu sto je koristio onakve rijeci i retoriku ali nije mu sekunde zao rata niti se kaje za irak. Govno skontalo da je pametnije odradio sad ne bi ginuli samo amerikanci vec mozda i neke UN trupe. Sto je najgore, fakat sad ako bi se povukli, tek bi onda krvoprolice nastalo tamo. :(
Svejedno, nek se povuku.

Niposto se sad ne smiju povuci na brzinu. Ne zbog US interesa nego zbog krvoprolicha. Ta provizorna vlada sto tamo postoji se nije hljeba sposobna najest'.

Sjetite se kako smo boga molili da hoche Ameri uc' u Bosnu, pa ono "sutra che intervencija" a oni ni da mrdnu i tako 3 godine.

Sav interes na stranu, ja mislim da puki Iracki narod ne bi volio da se povuku. Kad sad milicije kojekakve dolaze i odvlache ljude od kuche kako bi bilo da im se totalno pusti... Isto ko kod nas ustase po Hercegovini i chetnici po Podrinju...

Ne kazem da se ne treba povuchi, treba, i ostaviti im sve resurse chak ni postaviti svoju marionetu na vlast, ali se treba nekako osigurat' da se ne pokolju.

Sace me bracha vjernici sasut' :roll:

#1849 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 23:44
by jeza u ledja
Nek vlada Iraka i SAD zatrazi rezoluciju od UNa i nek iste tamo posalju trupe sastavljene iz arapskih/islamskih zemalja.
Ameri i Britanci treba da se povuku do kraja 2009-e.

Uopste, Amerika treba prestati oslanjati se na svoju vojsku da im omogucava ekonomske pogodnosti. Ako moze ostatak svijeta tako moze i Amerika. Free trade my ass.

#1850 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

Posted: 11/06/2008 23:52
by pici
stulic wrote:
pici wrote:McCain dobiva iz milion razloga,ne zato sto je bolji,uspjesniji,obrazovaniji,mladji,bjelji :D itd itd vec zato sto lobi u Americi nista nije se vise promijenio od prije 30-40 godina,tu su iste lobisticke strane sa istim teznjama i ciljevima.Opasniji konkurent je bila Klintonka,ne zato sto je zenmska vec zbog lobisticke podrske supruga.Pretezno svi bijeli americki glasovi koji su davali podrsku Klintonki idu McCain.
Sto se ne suzdrzite od postanja u temama o kojima nemate blage veze, niti imate namjeru ozbiljno diskutirati?
sto se ti ne uzdrzis da svakome loncu budes poklopac i ne izneses svoja zapazanja umjesto sto se kacis tudjih,eto ti si doktor za americke izbore .