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Čitalac wrote: 04/09/2023 09:52
zigzag wrote: 04/09/2023 09:39

može li pojašnjenje za ovo: "morao da ode"
Veliki broj problematičnih ugovora, ogromna potraživanja (36 milijardi grivni) - odnosno toliko je ministarstvo isplatilo različitim dobavljačima a naoružanje i oprema ili nisu stigli ili je stigla neupotrebljiva roba - vrlo nespretna komunikacija i prepucavanja sa novinarima, pomoćnik u pritvoru...
Očito se nije snašao, a inače se radi o vrlo inteligentnom tipu, jednom od najpoznatijih ukrajinskih advokata. No, mislim da će biti daleko bolji ambasador u Londonu.

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Ovo je ocekivano





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Šefica odbora za obranu Bundestaga Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann kaže da je kancelar Scholz jedini u koaliciji koji blokira isporuku projektila Taurus Ukrajini.

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emirolini wrote: 04/09/2023 10:15

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jos ce ispasti Cooper u pravu tobejarabi. :shock: :lol:
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ma kuper je jodsad najvise pogadjo jer ima izvore, za razliku od vecine drugih ..koji nemaju izvore sa terena.
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#182408 Re: Ukrajina

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Hocete surovu realnost, necete Kuperove bajke evo vam onda Stefana, Madner je vec citao, nisam htio dijeliti jer je bio vikend da ne kvarim navijanje. Sve ovo Cooper zna jer se redovno cuje sa Stefanom moze se reci da su prijatelji Stefan redovno komentarise njegove upise na FB...

Stavljam na engleskom jer Stefana katastrofalno prevode masinski..

August 30 – Day 553 – Rabotyne
Hi FB!
More missiles and drones last night in Kyiv, I guess that was to punish us for all the Russian air force planes UAF drones have been burning in Russia. Whatever.

OK, I have been trying to post a review for about the last 24 hours and when I do Facebook deletes it on grounds I "violated cybersecurity". No idea what that means.

As a work-around the FB thing and a test, here is a piece of that review. It's about Rabotyne. I would add that today the news reports continue, situation basically unchanged, the UAF seems to hold the village and maybe is expanding its footprint, but we really can't be sure. But at minimum, this isn't a breakthrough, this is armies fighting over ground.

Now the text on Rabotyne. I am all for the UAF winning the war, but, I think it's time to take a breath. Let's not forget the UAF has been announcing Robotyne was cleared of the enemy and under UAF control, for pretty much every day for the past week. This is not to say I don’t believe the Ukrainians have the ville, as noted I think they do. But my points are:

1. The Russians keep trying to take it back, clearly by re-occupying several buildings in the south of the town. By my count they appear to have forced the Ukrainians to go through the blast-and-reoccupy some "un-liberated" buildings in the south of the village, on at least three separate days.

2. The Ukrainian army was under some kind of internal pressure to declare Rabotyne “captured”. Their public relations people clearly were trying very hard to make liberation an established fact – at times apparently a little in the face of the klix situation – for the last several days. Please understand me clearly, I’m not accusing the UAF of outright lying.

But I know of news agencies that published material, confirmed, from the front, of the situation in Rabotyne, and the UAF got in touch lickety-split and forced the reports pulled out of public view. This is both “Ukraine controls Rabotyne” and “The Russians are still in Rabotyne”. It is obvious there is a big internal pressure in the UAF to show progress and keep the narrative of progress going.

I assume this is because the Ukrainians understand the Republicans in America are debating Ukraine among other things right now, and the last thing Kyiv needs is documented proof of a stalled offensive in Ukraine, hence the more than normal willingness by the UAF to torque down on the media. Again, I’m not saying they’re inventing stories or faking facts, but it’s pretty obvious when the UAF is ueber-sensitive about what’s being reported about Ukrainian military activity and when it doesn’t really care, and definitely keywords “Rabotyne” and “Ukrainian offensive” are under UAF laser-focus right now. They are obsessing about managing that narrative.

As for me, more generally, if we are talking "Ukrainian offensive" I see the UAF advancing slowly and VERY deliberately woodline to woodline, in company-sized attacks with plenty of reconnaissance.

How? Well, a lot of this is speculation because the UAF doesn't let independent media see, (@lajkujMe blokiran im je pristup frontu samo Butusov i slicni mogu doci na ratiste) but it based on various sources it looks to me they pick a time and place, shell the woodline and the Russian positions, and then move in and clear the woodline and positions from one end to the other.
This is very clearly the Ukrainian tactics vs. the Russian fortifications, over time you can see it getting better honed, and the impression I get is that the losses although continuing are under control and the main thing is the Russians do not seem to have a counter. If the Ukrainians choose to attack a Russian position and kill, wound or force to run the defenders, there doesn’t seem to be much the Russians can do to stop it.

The bottom line on that tactic is, that means the UAF until something changes will be advancing one field at a time, at a pace of deliberate attacks, consolidating after every attack. Assuming no delays from Russian counterattacks – and as we have seen, the Russians do counterattack and it does introduce delay – the real-life on the ground pace of places where the UAF chooses to attack, AT BEST, is maybe a kilometer a week. That's the real life sustained rate of advance we're seeing right now, and that's over three months.

Of course that pace may accelerate. Perhaps the UAF is past one of the RF main defense belts, but, if we are prudent we need to assume the RF is building more directly in the UAF's path.

There is always a change of a major break in morale, as I have noted more than once the scenario of 1905, 1917, 1941 and 1989 when the Russian army just decides it is sick of fighting and basically quits, remains a possibility. The Russian economy is getting worse, prices are rising, the funerals are more frequent. Public unrest in Russia forcing a curtailment of the war is far from impossible.

But, until that or some other tipping point comes, if you want to predict the progress of the war and the UAF’s counteroffensive, look at a map, find the current southern front line, count kilometers from that front line to roughly the Perekop Isthmus, and multiply by weeks to figure out how long it will take the UAF to get there. Roughly, that's 40-50 weeks, assuming the pace of the offensive doesn't slow.

Again, there is always a chance the Russian army’s morale will break, or the Russians will run out of troops to feed into to the fight. Western 155mm shell deliveries to the UAF will certainly increase over time.

But hoping something like that will deliver a breakthrough and a decisive defeat of Russian forces really isn't a coherent war strategy.
That's why the Ukrainians, I think, have added systematic deep strikes by drones to the mix. More on that in a subsequent post (assuming FB allows it). Meanwhile, here's a link to a KP news article on the drone bombardment theme.
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Deepstate danasnje azuriranje o stanju u Zaporozju...

"Zaporizhzhya front - borbe se nastavljaju južno od Robotynyja, sjevero-sjeveroistočno od Novoprokopivke i zapadno od Verbovoya.

U blizini Novoprokopivke je sporo, ali napreduje se. Sljedeći tjedni mogu biti odlučujući za našu kampanju u Zaporožju."
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Ima li neko info za unistena 4 Ukr camca sa vojnicima na moru? Bila kratka vijest na radiu jutros.
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#182411 Re: Ukrajina

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Donald Hill azuriranje - UPOZORENJE KUPEROV HAVER -
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copy paste sa FB posto ima puno linkova prebaceno na pasteit

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ovdje samo dio vezan za Zaporozje i Robotyne
Robotyne

On the Ukrainian side, there are several reports from this sector that promise good news is coming but they aren't allowed to disclose it yet. On the Russian side, there is a lot of emotions ranging from concern to dispair. From the information we have, the Russians are right to dispair.

As mentioned earlier, the 41st CAA is being transferred south and the 76th GAA Division was already moved to the Robotyne area. None of these reinforcements were going to stop Ukraine. The question was how much they would slow Ukraine down. The early answer is not much.



We've know since at least Friday that Ukraine pushed all the BARS units off of the ridge topped by Hill 166. Tom Cooper reports that Ukraine advanced so far and so fast that they abandoned at least one towed artillery piece. That qualifies as at least a partial breakthrough. To the east of that ridge, Ukraine secured Verbove. To the west, they're pushing Novoprokopivka from the north and east and are threatening to cut it off from the south. At this rate of advance and the state of the Russian units, I don't expect that village to last long in Russian hands. If they hold out too long they won't be able to retreat, especially since Ukraine is engaging the village of Ilchenkove to its southwest.

At last report, Russia is still holding onto Kopani in the west, and Novopokrovka in the east, but that latter village is particularly vulnerable now that Verbove has fallen and Novofedorivka is threatened. Polohy lies in that direction, 15 km away.

Again, this is what we know from the information provided. Ukraine could be well beyond these positions by now depending on how old the information is and whether Ukraine has any logistical issues with this sudden mass movement.

The Russians will push the 41st CAA reinforcements as fast as they can to this sector, shipping them to Berdyansk, which is being hit fairly often with cruise missiles. As they get fed into the defenses they are very likely to get ground up in a fairly short time. The 104th VDV regiment that was supposed to stop the Ukrainian advance not only failed to do so but Tom reports that many of them ended up as prisoners. The 104th is part of the 76th Division, supposedly the best of what Russia had left and relatively intact. The 41st CAA units are coming into the battle at varying levels of partial strength due to their recent attacks towards Kupiansk.

How did this happen? A big part was Ukraine's ability to detect enemy assets with their drones kept improving. If you can see it and it's in range, it can be hit. So Ukrainian artillery killed three Russian guns for every gun they lost. Then it was four to one. In August, it was six to one. As Ukraine achieved fire superiorty, the Russian infantry started feeling the pain. They were not just hit with more artillery, they were hit with more effective artillery with the arrival of DPICM. And in the last few weeks I've noticed that they would use more rounds on a target than they have in the past.

It wasn't just an increased rate of fire with improved munitions sprinkled into the mix. Ukraine identified headquarters and their air force bombed them. Ukraine spotted forward supply depots and the artillery destroyed them. Ukraine spotted infantry moving up to reinforce a Russian position and hit them with artillery. With Russian defenders pounded by artillery, with limited supplies and reinforcements, it was easier for Ukraine to take a position. And when Russians formed for a counter-attack, they were detected and disrupted by artillery, so it was easier for Ukraine to keep the position. After Ukraine secured the position, they moved on to the next treeline.

The rate of Russian casualties exceeded their rate of reinforcements and eventually something had to give.
The only thing that could slow Ukraine down is if their units were worn out by exhaustion or casualties, but more brigades were committed to keep up the pressure and share the burden. There were reports that the 47th was going to be pulled off the line but videos of their engagements never stopped. It might be that one battalion stayed in the fight while two recovered in the rear, but that is speculation on my part.

Ukrainian casualties and sustainability are key to continuing this rate of progress and they have shown that they prioritize low casualty rates. Their drones will likely continue growing in effectiveness as Russia's ability to counter them recedes, and this will help them maintain situational awareness. They'll need to provide air defense as they move forward, especially since Russia has used its air assets more aggressively during Ukrainian advances in the past. Logistics will need to keep up with the pace of the attack. If there is little or no resistance then maybe there will be a mechanized advance of some distance, but the deeper Ukraine moves forward, the wider its advance has to be. And there's nothing wrong with an advance at the speed of boots. It's preserved Ukrainian lives and is destroying Russian units at least slightly faster than they can be replaced.

If you destroy Russia's ability to fight and preserve your own capabilities, the territorial gains will come.

1) A Bobr drone hits Russian infantry close to Hill 166.



2) This was posted September 1st and shows Ukrainian soldiers walking upright and unconcerned about Russian fire north of Hill 166 and the ridge it's on. This means the Russians are on the other side to the south. At the 0:26 mark in the video you can see the smoke rising from Verbove 6 km away.
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#182412 Re: Ukrajina

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emirolini wrote: 04/09/2023 08:59 Poslije guma na avionima nove inovacije Rusista za PVO



Sto ga vise dignes u zrak, veci domet ima :lol:
Sto ga vise dignes u zrak na klocevima, duze ce padati do zemlje... Vrlo promucurno, potpuno novi set daljinskih dronova ovo moze udarati. Statiku stuba poremetis, i "zdravstvuj" Pancire... :evil:
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pobjeze nekoliko pidera
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https://t.co/f46kDfUwq3

Najbitniji clanak za ovu ofanzivu.
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#182416 Re: Ukrajina

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lavic wrote: 04/09/2023 11:01 Ima li neko info za unistena 4 Ukr camca sa vojnicima na moru? Bila kratka vijest na radiu jutros.
Ruski MOD objavio bez ikakvog dokaza :)
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#182417 Re: Ukrajina

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Evo i video kako Sehid dron udara u Rumuniju

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i sta je tu novo sto nismo vec ovde citali?
probali su nato scenarij, kostalo ih prve hefte, presaltali se na napade velicine cete, livadu po livadu.
da bi radili po nato standardu fali ne jedna nego i najvaznija karika ZRACNE SNAGE uvezane sistemom veze sa trupama na zemlji,ukr nema ni jednog awacsa! i svega ostalog sto ide uz to ,dzaba oni zapadni u poljskoj, za ovaj dio borbe, i unificiranoj komandi., da se info sa zemlje prenese komandi, putem cc, dda se saceka i neutralise prijetnja.
to je sto ameri rade. ako nemas toga nema ni CAA, svodis se na ww2 tip napada.
ovako ih rokaju njihovim receptom tope ih sto bi rekli braca war of attrition

kontam ja roblij,a on zivi, tj uzima lovu od pracenja ruske vojske. al mlo pregoni. nije malo
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kazu ljudi nece ni f16 donjet prevagu.
nije to samo fq6 mada je i on gneracijski skok, i to bukvalni, jer ukri nemaju nista ni priblizno tenutno u svojim redovima sto se tice rv.a, nego to je i sve ostalo sto prati jedno moderno vazduhoplovstvo. osim samih f16 i sav sistem uvezivanja informacije u real time,u sa terena do pravodobnog djelovanja p oznacenim metama.
to je ono na cemu i pocivaju zapadne armije. i ta prica o caa
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evo recimo ovo, ovo su strasni gubici za ruje od manpadsa...
rbs je pravi jos od 70ih, da ukri su dobili apgrjdovane verzije, al opet. ovo se ne bi smjelo desavati modernim armijama, a opet kak se zastititi na ovolikom forntu od usmaljenih posada.negdje na frontu, a ima domet 10ak km...
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#182421 Re: Ukrajina

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emirolini wrote: 04/09/2023 09:52
Honda Rajvosa wrote: 04/09/2023 09:49

ne dire ti link....
https://twitter.com/TuiteroMartin/statu ... XR_XQ&s=19 evo link

Nazalost sad je ovaj twitter, odnosno X videos postao ko fasisticka kita, ali eto jos se moze nekako koristiti.
Ako je video oznacen kao "osjetljiv" i ako moras kliknuti ekstra tipku da ti pokaze sadrzaj, onda se on ne prikazuje na drugim stranicama i bude ovo "not found". Nije X oznacio video kao takvim nego publika sa svojim komentarima i prijavama. Mislim da je AI u pozadini koji kontrolise nakon koliko prijava i od koga dolaze te prijave pa da se sadrzaj smatra "osjetljivim".
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#182422 Re: Ukrajina

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ma kak je musk kupio tviter sve je vise prijavljenih proukr kanala.. a sve vise ork zabrinutih i ostalih...
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#182423 Re: Ukrajina

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Reznikov kaže da jedan dan rata košta Ukrajinu 100 miliona dolara i odbacuje tvrdnje da se dronovi kupuju isključivo donacijama građana.
Na pitanje zašto je tako malo dronova na fronti i zašto se kupuju novcem koji doniraju građani, a ne proračunskim sredstvima, Reznikov odgovara:
- Mogu vam reći da donacije volontera od 24. veljače 2022. do danas čine 3% svega što je uloženo u rat. Dan rata košta nas 100 milijuna dolara. Sada uzmite proračune svih respektabilnih velikih volonterskih zaklada pa vidite koliko prikupljaju, a s druge strane je država koja troši 100 milijuna dolara dnevno. Samo razmislite o tome. Stoga je nepravedno tvrditi da sve rade volonteri, jer to nije tako. Zapravo, sve to rade građani Ukrajine, oni koji su zaposleni, jer oni plaćaju poreze i ti porezi idu u proračun, a iz tog proračuna idu u vojsku. Danas je vojska najveći potrošač sredstava. Ali, potrebna su sredstva i za funkcioniranje države u cjelini: za infrastrukturu, za obnovu, za potporu socijalno ugroženima. Dakle, treba raditi i plaćati poreze - istakao je Reznikov.
On je napomenuo da nema pravo govoriti o ugovorima za bespilotne letjelice, ali je rekao da je "30 novih ukrajinskih bespilotnih letjelica različitih tipova odobreno za upotrebu: izviđačke, udarne, kamikaze itd". Prema Reznikovu, broj koji će biti proizveden ovisi o samim proizvođačima, ali država je spremna otkupiti sve što se proizvede.
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lajkujMe wrote: 04/09/2023 12:13 Evo i video kako Sehid dron udara u Rumuniju
sto bi el bake rekao, ja i? Sta ce se desiti? Nista.
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koliko li onda tek orke kosta invazija... a kliok li ce tek izgubit u svakom smislu :evil:
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