Brexit

[stakasa]

Pa testirano je moj Mirza, ne valja Podrinje a zamisli da dodu krscani iz Etiopije i onaj predio sjevernog Vjetnama

[AleksoMKD]

He, izgleda da se potvrdilo, puno mladih koji su bili za ostanak nije izaslo na referendum dok su svi penzioneri izasli i glasali protiv ostanka.

Da su izasli svi mladji biraci bez problema bi dobili referendum.

[stakasa]

He, izgleda da se potvrdilo, puno mladih koji su bili za ostanak nije izaslo na referendum dok su svi penzioneri izasli i glasali protiv ostanka.

Da su izasli svi mladji biraci bez problema bi dobili referendum.

Neoliberalisto

[AleksoMKD]

He, izgleda da se potvrdilo, puno mladih koji su bili za ostanak nije izaslo na referendum dok su svi penzioneri izasli i glasali protiv ostanka.

Da su izasli svi mladji biraci bez problema bi dobili referendum.

Neoliberalisto

Ma kakvi dragi kolega.

[hAZNADAR]

I opet neki miniraju temu povlacenjem nemogucih paralela izmedju EU i Jugoslavije.
I nemogucim paralelama izlaska Britanije i bivsih YU republika.

Kako bi bilo da porucite Englezima da je to sto rade autostrada pakla i stradanja gdje mogu nestati,...

[breuer]

Nemoj da mislite da ovo neće odvesti Veliku Britaniju u pakao, a engleski narod možda i u nestanak, to je ista ona autostrada pakla i stradanja kojima su pošli Škotska i Sjeverna Irska?

[stakasa]

He, izgleda da se potvrdilo, puno mladih koji su bili za ostanak nije izaslo na referendum dok su svi penzioneri izasli i glasali protiv ostanka.

Da su izasli svi mladji biraci bez problema bi dobili referendum.

Neoliberalisto

Ma kakvi dragi kolega.

Zajebajem se

[stakasa]

Nemoj da mislite da ovo neće odvesti Veliku Britaniju u pakao, a engleski narod možda i u nestanak, to je ista ona autostrada pakla i stradanja kojima su pošli Škotska i Sjeverna Irska?

[General War]

Ker-Lindzi: Vodili kampanju za izlazak, bez plana šta posle
..."Sada je jasnije nego ikada da su kampanju za izlazak vodili ljudi koji se nisu potrudili da zaista razmisle koje će biti implikacije onoga za šta su se zalagali. Hteli su da Britanija izađe iz EU, ali nisu pravili ozbiljne planove za tu mogućnost," rekao je Ker-Lindzi za Tanjug.

Možda zvuči neverovatno, ali stvar je u tome da se sada uviđa da oni nisu očekivali da pobede na referendumu, dodao je britanski stručnjak.

http://www.tanjug.rs/full-view.aspx?izb=254271

[stakasa]

Ker-Lindzi: Vodili kampanju za izlazak, bez plana šta posle
..."Sada je jasnije nego ikada da su kampanju za izlazak vodili ljudi koji se nisu potrudili da zaista razmisle koje će biti implikacije onoga za šta su se zalagali. Hteli su da Britanija izađe iz EU, ali nisu pravili ozbiljne planove za tu mogućnost," rekao je Ker-Lindzi za Tanjug.

Možda zvuči neverovatno, ali stvar je u tome da se sada uviđa da oni nisu očekivali da pobede na referendumu, dodao je britanski stručnjak.

http://www.tanjug.rs/full-view.aspx?izb=254271

Najgora opcija je da sada podviju rep i predomisle se

[Challenger__]

- Premijer Francuske oponira TTIP-u, tvrdi da neće biti prihvaćen jer je "protiv interesa EU".

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Još jedan udarac za USA.

[vee-jay]

Ker-Lindzi: Vodili kampanju za izlazak, bez plana šta posle
..."Sada je jasnije nego ikada da su kampanju za izlazak vodili ljudi koji se nisu potrudili da zaista razmisle koje će biti implikacije onoga za šta su se zalagali. Hteli su da Britanija izađe iz EU, ali nisu pravili ozbiljne planove za tu mogućnost," rekao je Ker-Lindzi za Tanjug.

Možda zvuči neverovatno, ali stvar je u tome da se sada uviđa da oni nisu očekivali da pobede na referendumu, dodao je britanski stručnjak.

http://www.tanjug.rs/full-view.aspx?izb=254271

Najgora opcija je da sada podviju rep i predomisle se

nema se tko predomisljati, kocka je bacena.
evropljani se nemaju sta sada brinuti o britaniji.
a da pameti ima u nas, situacija bi se mogla iskoristiti da se nakantaju ruski partneri iz BiH

[Danguba]

Sta kazu, hoce i Wilders referendum.

http://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/holan ... /160628116

Samo 14 od 75 zastupnika podržalo je prijedlog Geerta Wildersa, čelnika desne populističke Stranke za slobodu.

Do nekih drugih vremena.

[Edin H.]

I opet neki miniraju temu povlacenjem nemogucih paralela izmedju EU i Jugoslavije.
I nemogucim paralelama izlaska Britanije i bivsih YU republika.

Kako bi bilo da porucite Englezima da je to sto rade autostrada pakla i stradanja gdje mogu nestati,...

The Ukip leader made the astonishing speech to MEPs during heated and dramatic scenes at an emergency session to discuss the fallout over the Brexit vote.

In comments following an angry speech from European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker, Mr Farage accused the EU of deceiving people across the continent.

He said: “Isn’t it funny. When I came here 17 years ago and said I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me.

“Well, I have to say you’re not laughing now are you?

“And the reason you’re so upset, the reason you’re so angry has been perfectly clear from all the angry exchanges this morning. You as a political project are in denial.”

The politician’s speech was punctuated by both boos and applause from other parts of the chamber.

At one point when he accused MEPs of never having had “a proper job”, European Parliament president had to intervene to tell jeering politicians to stop “acting like Ukip”.

Mr Farage went on to say: “What happened last Thursday was a remarkable result, it was a seismic result, not just for British politics and European politics but perhaps even for global politics too.

“What the little people did, what the ordinary people did, what the people who had been oppressed over the last few years and seen their living standards go down, they rejected the multinationals, they rejected the merchant banks, they rejected the big politics.

“They said ‘Actually, we want our country back. We want our fishing waters back. We want our borders back. We want an independent, self-governing, normal nation and that is what we have done.”

Brussels chiefs order Britain to make sharp exit after Brexit shock

“The United Kingdom will not be the last member state to leave the European Union.”

The Ukip leader and Mr Juncker both clashed - and embraced – during the emergency session.

"Why are you here?" the European Commission had president demanded to know as he opened his own speech with Mr Farage and fellow eurosceptic MEPs sat at an adjacent desk.

"That's the last time you are applauding here," Mr Juncker said after Mr Farage applauded his opening statement that Europe "must respect British democracy and the way it has expressed its view".

"To some extent I am really surprised that you are here," he told him.

"You were fighting for the exit, the British people voted in favour of the exit. Why are you here?"

The pair were seen to share an embrace, with the famously tactile Mr Juncker appearing to kiss the politician on the ear

[sinuhe]

Da li je Boris Johnson godinama kao gradonacelnik Londona bio duhom brexitovac?
Ono sto je trebalo biti unutarpartijski obracun pretvorilo se u brexit tako sto se poklopilo mnogo stosta. Iznenadila me ipak tijesna pobjeda brexitovaca u tradicionalno euroskepticnoj zemlji a za vrijeme velikih kriza EU.

[Challenger__]

...

Razumijem.

Međutim ( ), polazeći od premise da je sve ovo prvenstveno borba za vlast i kontrolu, ne treba čuditi što se pojavljuju svakakve špekulacije koje mogu i ne moraju biti djetinjaste. Evo, kolega Idriz je mjesecima prije referenduma tvrdio da GB sigurno izlazi (sjećam se) a to mišljenje su mnogi ismijavali (sjećam se), tvrdeći da od brexita nema ništa. Sada mu se više niko ne smije. Zato, nema potrebe da se ljudi ismijavaju, bojim se da više ništa nije nemoguće.

BTW, slažem se sa tvojom opservacijom u vezi Engleza/GB i njihove odioznosti prema rigidnoj briselskoj administraciji. Isto tako se slažem da ako se pravilno postave, na duge staze će proći bolje od Kontinenta.

[stakasa]

Da li je Boris Johnson godinama kao gradonacelnik Londona bio duhom brexitovac?
Ono sto je trebalo biti unutarpartijski obracun pretvorilo se u brexit tako sto se poklopilo mnogo stosta. Iznenadila me ipak tijesna pobjeda brexitovaca u tradicionalno euroskepticnoj zemlji a za vrijeme velikih kriza EU.

Boris je engleski Nele

[Challenger__]

Sve više uviđam da Napoleon nije bio lud kad ih je krvnički blokirao

Napoleon blokirao GB 1806, uskoro se GB nalazi u vrlo teškom stanju, na rubu gladi. Blokadu prekida Aleksandar Romanov, 1810, uvodi posebnu carinu za francusku robu, Napoleon bjesni, pokreće 700.000 ljudi na Rusiju, bivaju potučeni do nogu od Rusa, preživljava svaki deseti, a 1814 g. Aleksandar Romanov ulazi u Pariz. Kao pobjednik.

Blokada okončana.

[klavirdžija]

Johnsonoglu (inače je potomak Turaka koji su davno odselili tamo, što je saznao prije koju godinu u BBC emisiji) je prije politike radio kao neka vrsta EU dopisnika iz Brisela za Daily Telegraph, a živio je od "začinjavanja" i podgrijavanja konzervativne EU fobije. Međutim, lično nije uvjereni Brexitovac, čak je u februaru tvrdio da ne trebaju izaći što mu sada nabijaju na nos.

Jednostavno je, kao svaki pravi populista i makijavelistički oportunista, u ovome vidio svoju šansu za proboj po svaku cijenu i iskoristio je.

[klavirdžija]

Koga interesuje, evo i malo Johnsonogluovog "backpedalinga" i uopšteno šta i kako dalje.

BREXIT: WHAT NEXT?

Free trade must come before migration curbs, says Johnson
Sam Coates, Deputy Political Editor | Francis Elliott, Political Editor | David Charter, Berlin
June 28 2016, 12:01am,
The Times

Boris Johnson faced accusations of betrayal from Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, and some Tory MPs

David Cameron and Boris Johnson found themselves on the same side over Europe yesterday as both insisted that Britain should put free trade with the EU above a crackdown on immigration.

Mr Johnson faced accusations of betrayal from Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, and some Tory MPs who believe that Britain must end the right of EU citizens to live and work in the country after the referendum vote.

Mr Cameron said he wanted Britain to stay inside the single market while Mr Johnson declared that he also wanted “access” to the single market and did not believe that Leave supporters were mainly driven by anxieties about immigration.

One senior EU diplomat said that Mr Johnson, a frontrunner to be the next prime minister, was trying to “have his cake and eat it”.

Mr Farage accused both men of “backsliding” over the EU referendum result. “I am worried it is being used as a smokescreen to do a different kind of deal. I am nervous, more nervous than I was on Friday morning. I am beginning to hear noises, I am beginning to detect there may be some backsliding and I do not find that acceptable,” he told Channel 4 News.

Andrea Leadsom, the energy minister, wrote yesterday that she believed that ending free movement should be a red line in the negotiation.

MPs are lining up for a battle over the coming months between those who want to give priority to Britain’s future access to the single market and those who want curbs to immigration. EU nations see the two as a trade-off, with any attempt to end free movement also likely to mean curbs to the single market.

Addressing the Commons, the prime minister reaffirmed that it would be for his successor to decide when to trigger Article 50 under the Lisbon treaty.

Asked whether the single market should be the priority in his successor’s negotiations, Mr Cameron said: “There is obviously a very strong case for trying to remain in that single market in some form but that’s a decision for the new government and for the parliament.”

Mr Cameron was backed by George Osborne yesterday and Philip Hammond on Sunday, who both wanted continued membership of the single market, which would make immigration curbs all but impossible to deliver.

Mr Johnson wrote in The Daily Telegraph that he wanted “access” to the single market, but also said he wanted Britons to be able to work and stay in the EU, along with a points-based system for new arrivals from the EU.

This approach is unlikely to be agreed by the rest of the EU, according to officials and experts. They added: “It is a pipe dream. You cannot have full access to the single market and not accept its rules. If we gave that kind of deal to the UK, then why not to Australia or New Zealand. It would be a free for all.”

Raoul Ruparel, co-director of Open Europe, said that Britain must decide whether immigration curbs or trade was the priority. “It is not impossible to imagine the level of access Johnson suggests but it is hard to reconcile this with complete control over EU immigration via a points-based system. It is even harder, nigh on impossible, to reconcile a points-based system for EU migrants to the UK with the view that UK citizens would still be free to live and work in the rest of the EU without any reciprocal arrangements,” he said.

Charles Grant, from the Centre for European Reform, added: “[Mr Johnson] says we’ll get ‘access to the single market’, which implies Norwegian-style membership of the European Economic Area. But he also says we’d stop paying into the EU budget and extricate ourselves from EU laws and Court of Justice rulings, which are absolute conditions, alongside free movement, for taking part in the single market.”

Mr Cameron will travel to Brussels today for what is likely to be his last European Council meeting and a set of awkward encounters with leaders whom he assured that he would emerge as a referendum winner.

Future role in Europe

Norwegian model
Norway is not a member of the European Union but it is in the European Economic Area and pays for access to the single market. It is required to follow most EU rules — and accept full freedom of movement — but has no vote or veto. In other words it pays but has no say.

Swiss model
Switzerland enjoys a large degree of access after negotiating sector-by-sector agreements, but does not have full access to the valuable market in services. Brexiteers say that this is a model that Britain could follow — but negotiations could take many years. Switzerland accepts more migrants from the European Union per capita than the UK.

Canadian model
EU negotiators reached their most comprehensive free trade agreement to date with Canada in 2014 after five years of horse-trading. It was meant to have been ratified within two years but has been held up, partly because of Canadian attempts to restrict visas for Bulgarians and Romanians.

Albanian model
Michael Gove said during the referendum campaign that it was not credible that Britain would be blocked from the free trade zone that stretches from Iceland to Turkey and includes countries such as Albania and Serbia. He was mocked by Edi Rama, the Albanian prime minister, who dismissed suggestions of a “new BBC, the British-Balkan Confederation”.

WTO model
If Britain leaves the EU without first reaching any new trade arrangements, then trade between the UK and EU would be governed by World Trade Organisation rules, which would involve reciprocal tariffs on goods and services — including 9.9 per cent duty on cars and an average 12.2 per cent on agricultural goods.

[Bodkin]

I opet neki miniraju temu povlacenjem nemogucih paralela izmedju EU i Jugoslavije.
I nemogucim paralelama izlaska Britanije i bivsih YU republika.

Kako bi bilo da porucite Englezima da je to sto rade autostrada pakla i stradanja gdje mogu nestati,...

Mako si dosadan sa tom pricom. Ti je forsiras jedini ovdje

[Saul Alvarez]

I opet neki miniraju temu povlacenjem nemogucih paralela izmedju EU i Jugoslavije.
I nemogucim paralelama izlaska Britanije i bivsih YU republika.

Kako bi bilo da porucite Englezima da je to sto rade autostrada pakla i stradanja gdje mogu nestati,...

At one point when he accused MEPs of never having had “a proper job”,

EU parlamentarni paraziti na aparatima

[bole1st]

Sta kazu, hoce i Wilders referendum.

http://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/holan ... /160628116

Samo 14 od 75 zastupnika podržalo je prijedlog Geerta Wildersa, čelnika desne populističke Stranke za slobodu.

Do nekih drugih vremena.

Ne moze to tako brzo, Farage, Hannan i ekipa se vise od 20 godina bore za nezavisnost UK-a od EU. Moze i Nizozemska van, al tek za 5-10 godina ako pobornici izlaska budu imali dobre argumente i ako se sve kockice posloze. Slobodu treba zasluzit i izborit se nju.

[stakasa]

I opet neki miniraju temu povlacenjem nemogucih paralela izmedju EU i Jugoslavije.
I nemogucim paralelama izlaska Britanije i bivsih YU republika.

Kako bi bilo da porucite Englezima da je to sto rade autostrada pakla i stradanja gdje mogu nestati,...

Mako si dosadan sa tom pricom. Ti je forsiras jedini ovdje

[Bodkin]

Sta kazu, hoce i Wilders referendum.

http://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/holan ... /160628116

Samo 14 od 75 zastupnika podržalo je prijedlog Geerta Wildersa, čelnika desne populističke Stranke za slobodu.

Do nekih drugih vremena.

Ne moze to tako brzo, Farage, Hannan i ekipa se vise od 20 godina bore za nezavisnost UK-a od EU. Moze i Nizozemska van, al tek za 5-10 godina ako pobornici izlaska budu imali dobre argumente i ako se sve kockice posloze. Slobodu treba zasluzit i izborit se nju.

Slobodu eu tamnica naroda