#179801 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:09
Saveznici. I jučer i danas.
I sutra nadam se.
I sutra nadam se.
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I sutra nadam se.
#179802 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:13
slava ukrajini, long live usa
kita rusiji, govno iranu
kita rusiji, govno iranu
#179803 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:15
Interesting, a bit long, post here from Russian Colonel Shuvalov discussing the effect of the Ukrainian cluster munitions
and how the Russian equivalents are not nearly as good if exist at all, showing how Shoygu's threats are empty.
(source: t.me/shouvalov/45):
"And again about cluster munitions. It's hard for me to understand why we need to manipulate statistics if the response we’re getting for showing off results in collossal, real difficulites.
I already wrote about cluster munitions before - t.me/shouvalov/20.
Basically, nothing has changed, but a lot needs to be added. Information, now in full measure, reached the authorities that everything was not as it seemed in the initial reports. It is impossible not to take into account the factor of modern Western cluster munitions - they shamelessly mow down both fighters at the front (not only at the front) and civilian infrastructure in the rear.
Civil infrastructure is a separate topic. Recently, there was an arrival in Tokmak, which terribly slashed trucks and drivers. The Defense Ministry decided not to focus on this, because there was a risk of reciprocal publication of data from the enemy with arguments that the civilian targets were not quite simple and not very civilian.
But there were comrades in the camp of military correspondents who unleashed their anger towards the vile NATO members on the heads of readers, and attached videos as proof. This is something the enemy might not have had. And now the enemy can quite boldly show that the goals were legal from a military point of view. And all by our hands...
We had to throw all our efforts into blocking the supply of cluster munitions to Ukraine: to declare that we would not use such munitions, to tear apart the Europeans, who have cluster munitions banned. There was a chance. But they played us, we happily fell for it and declared that we had these clusters munitions, whole landfills of them, not just stockpiles.
Yes, we have many. You can search for photos. For the most part, it’s an illiquid asset killed by time, the rest - is morally and technically obsolete. And things are not very good with carriers either.
Now you can’t roll back the situation, and when you are caught being weak, it’s silly to try and scare them. The General Staff already understands this, but they cannot bring the situation even higher, there is no solution. The guys on the front line are taking the beating, and it's not easy at all. In the context of problems with medicine, wounds from cluster munitions often result in death, and this is a very painful and terrible death. The enemy has learned (yes, imagine, they are also learning!) to cut off the path of reinforcements or withdrawal of forces with artillery, and trenches do not save from cluster munitions. You can’t save yourself with a bandage or a tourniquet, after being hit with cluster munitions you need solid medical care, if you managed to survive.
In the trenches, a terrible mess is formed from the living and the dying, who are sometimes completely impossible to help.
In such cases, the enemy methodically waits for those of our forces that rush to help their comrades. I saw all this in Chechnya, when a sniper left a wounded man to pull other guys to him. This happened in single occasions, but with cluster munitions, everything is the same, but scaled tens and hundreds of times. We need counter-battery fire, but it is not there. We need a lot of things, but first of all, need to finally admit the problem exists and start solving it, and not throw around the words like “we’re going to smash you!”.
It is not some colonel in a hospital bed that is yelling about the cluster munitioins - the voices of hundreds of guys dying in terrible agony in the trenches and the widows of hundreds killed by them in just these couple of weeks are shouting to you about these problems. And I specifically do not specify whether there are really hundreds, or already thousands - we will not please the enemy with statistics.
The army needs a solution. The cluster situation is terrible, and worst of all, we try to silence the problem when we need a solution. And this is already beyond the capabilities of individual generals and commanders. We made threats with words, now let's get down to business."
Kmecanie za kasetnu se nastavlja, haman zestoko boli
and how the Russian equivalents are not nearly as good if exist at all, showing how Shoygu's threats are empty.
(source: t.me/shouvalov/45):
"And again about cluster munitions. It's hard for me to understand why we need to manipulate statistics if the response we’re getting for showing off results in collossal, real difficulites.
I already wrote about cluster munitions before - t.me/shouvalov/20.
Basically, nothing has changed, but a lot needs to be added. Information, now in full measure, reached the authorities that everything was not as it seemed in the initial reports. It is impossible not to take into account the factor of modern Western cluster munitions - they shamelessly mow down both fighters at the front (not only at the front) and civilian infrastructure in the rear.
Civil infrastructure is a separate topic. Recently, there was an arrival in Tokmak, which terribly slashed trucks and drivers. The Defense Ministry decided not to focus on this, because there was a risk of reciprocal publication of data from the enemy with arguments that the civilian targets were not quite simple and not very civilian.
But there were comrades in the camp of military correspondents who unleashed their anger towards the vile NATO members on the heads of readers, and attached videos as proof. This is something the enemy might not have had. And now the enemy can quite boldly show that the goals were legal from a military point of view. And all by our hands...
We had to throw all our efforts into blocking the supply of cluster munitions to Ukraine: to declare that we would not use such munitions, to tear apart the Europeans, who have cluster munitions banned. There was a chance. But they played us, we happily fell for it and declared that we had these clusters munitions, whole landfills of them, not just stockpiles.
Yes, we have many. You can search for photos. For the most part, it’s an illiquid asset killed by time, the rest - is morally and technically obsolete. And things are not very good with carriers either.
Now you can’t roll back the situation, and when you are caught being weak, it’s silly to try and scare them. The General Staff already understands this, but they cannot bring the situation even higher, there is no solution. The guys on the front line are taking the beating, and it's not easy at all. In the context of problems with medicine, wounds from cluster munitions often result in death, and this is a very painful and terrible death. The enemy has learned (yes, imagine, they are also learning!) to cut off the path of reinforcements or withdrawal of forces with artillery, and trenches do not save from cluster munitions. You can’t save yourself with a bandage or a tourniquet, after being hit with cluster munitions you need solid medical care, if you managed to survive.
In the trenches, a terrible mess is formed from the living and the dying, who are sometimes completely impossible to help.
In such cases, the enemy methodically waits for those of our forces that rush to help their comrades. I saw all this in Chechnya, when a sniper left a wounded man to pull other guys to him. This happened in single occasions, but with cluster munitions, everything is the same, but scaled tens and hundreds of times. We need counter-battery fire, but it is not there. We need a lot of things, but first of all, need to finally admit the problem exists and start solving it, and not throw around the words like “we’re going to smash you!”.
It is not some colonel in a hospital bed that is yelling about the cluster munitioins - the voices of hundreds of guys dying in terrible agony in the trenches and the widows of hundreds killed by them in just these couple of weeks are shouting to you about these problems. And I specifically do not specify whether there are really hundreds, or already thousands - we will not please the enemy with statistics.
The army needs a solution. The cluster situation is terrible, and worst of all, we try to silence the problem when we need a solution. And this is already beyond the capabilities of individual generals and commanders. We made threats with words, now let's get down to business."
Kmecanie za kasetnu se nastavlja, haman zestoko boli
#179804 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:17
Irnaski rezim je totalitarmi i nedo bog nikom oni nam ne mogu biti saveznici nikad, pogotovu sto imaju svoj interes kiji je ovladavanje sireg pojasa bliskog istoka s kojim mi nemamo nista , a samim tim su u saveznistvu sa rusima prootiv amerike racunica jasna ko dan, mi nemamo izbora nego ici uz zapad.
#179805 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:18
Kazu 2 vrtoleta od jutros skinuta, dvije lakoste?
#179806 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:19
Jeste, jeste. Takvim ste ih nazivali u Siriju, Libiji, ...
#179807 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:26
Svako ima svoje mišljenje, većina na ovoj temi podržavaju USA na drugim temama neki drugi forumaši osuđuju a neki su promijenili mišljenje na osnovu različitih događaja. Nisu ljudi stijene pa da su uvijek isti, donosimo odluke na osnovu stanja naše sredine
#179808 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:54
vanjski saradnik s kojim se interesi mogu poklopiit, a samim time donijeti nesto dobro drzavi Bosni i Hercegovini. Interes je u svemu, nema prijatelja, nema nista dzabe.swanfilter wrote: ↑17/08/2023 10:05laserShow wrote: ↑16/08/2023 11:01
Vidi, mogu biti napredna civilizacija koja kolonira mars, ali kada su na strani agresora, obicne su krave koje daju 100l mlijeka, onda se pomjere i nogom to sve prospu. Prema tome, iranski kozojebi su na strani agresora i mozemo ih samo posmatrati kao takve. Naciju koja podrzava agresora ne moze imati apsolutno nista s nama, niti sa isitma mozemo dijeliti bilo kakve vrijednosti.
Sta su vam Ameri jucer bili, a sta danas?
#179809 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:58
Stade citava historija i visestoljetna geopolitika u dvije rijeci crno bijelo.... danasnji prijatelj ti je sutrasnji neprijatelj. Sto se nas tice amerika nam je prijatelj puno vise nego neprijatelj
Rusija je oduvijek agresor bila prema svima i naspram amerike iako su ih nekad interesi "spajali"
Rusi s druge strane bar prema nama nikad nisu bili prijateljski zato je ocito ciju stranu biramo
Rusija je oduvijek agresor bila prema svima i naspram amerike iako su ih nekad interesi "spajali"
Rusi s druge strane bar prema nama nikad nisu bili prijateljski zato je ocito ciju stranu biramo
#179810 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 10:58
Jel se ti meni obraćaš kao predstavniku neke grupe ili me persiraš?
Za mene su uvijek saveznici jer nam se interesi poklapaju u onom bitnom: da BiH bude zemlja Zapada, slobodna, pravedna i demokratska.
#179811 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 11:01
stani a koga ti podrzavas onda?kontas da i iran ima svoj interes a u tom njegovom interesu tebe nigdje nema.
sta je nas kolektivni nacionalni interes? EU I NATO? vidimo i na primjeru ukrajine da krvavo placa cijenu da se odvoji o tog "slobodarskog istocnog bloka". jesmo li bar oko toga saglasni? oinda nema dvojbe gdje nam je mjesto i ko god sumnja u eu i nato, ne misli dobro ni bosni n bosnjacima.
#179812 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 11:06
zanimljivo. ovo je za nagazne, sta ako naleti na poteznu?
#179813 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 11:14
najebo je
#179814 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 11:21
Dobro, bice lom kosti ako nagazi pastetu, ali nece ostati bez stopala.
Mislim da je prvenstveno radi toga napravljeno.
Mislim da je prvenstveno radi toga napravljeno.
#179815 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 11:23
naravno...potezne će svaki deminer lako uočiti
#179816 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 11:31
#179817 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 11:45
https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/uk ... um=reader2
Ukrajinski rat, 17. kolovoza 2023
Sarkastosaurus - Tom Cooper
17. kolovoza 2023
Pozdrav svima!
Od prošlog vikenda jako je malo informacija – i to s obje strane – pa je teško reći što se točno događa. U biti i ukratko, to je otprilike ovako:
- Kupyansk : uobičajeni, manji ruski napadi, bez ili gotovo bez uspjeha;
- Kremina : isto
- Siversk : Bilohorivka je još uvijek pod ukrajinskom kontrolom
- Bakhmut : Rusi i obje strane traže povrat barem dijela Klishchivke; (Čisto) sumnjam, inače bi bilo 'more' povezanih videa. Ipak, sigurno je da VSRF pokušava spriječiti daljnje ukrajinsko napredovanje južno od Bakhmuta kontinuiranim protunapadima.
- Zavitne Bazhannye (Staromlynivka): postoje izvješća o ukrajinskim napadima na sjeverni dio sela, ali nema detalja.
- Robotyne : prije dva dana, Rusi su se trebali povući iz sela u kompleks rovova južno od njega, ali ZSU još ne 'čvrsto kontrolira' cijeli Robotyne. Prilično zauzet čišćenjem i razminiranjem. A ZSU je bio zauzet rotiranjem svojih jedinica: 47. mech je povučen i zamijenjen 46. zračnodesantnom (oh Bože...) (prim.prev. 46 je odgovorna za gubitak Soledara zato reakcija... ), 71. Jägerom i (osobito) moćnom 82. zračnodesantnom (opremljenom Challenger MBT-ovima i Marderom IFV-ovi). Na sličan način, 118. mech je ojačan 116. bojnom Meh.: te dvije nastavljaju vožnju niz ruski rov od Verbove prema Novoprokopivki. U međuvremenu ukrajinske bespilotne letjelice mogu 'vidjeti sve do Tokmaka'. Ah da, i Rusi su izgubili jurišni helikopter Ka-52 oboren u području Robotyne:
Pogled na Tokmak, kao iz ukrajinske bespilotne letjelice, oko 15. kolovoza:
S obzirom na situaciju, iskoristit ću i priliku da 'uzmem nekoliko slobodnih dana': treba mi malo odmora. Stoga, osim ako se ne dogodi nešto važno, sljedeće ažuriranje ponekad slijedi sljedeći tjedan.
#179818 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 11:50
Nakon deset sedmica ofanzive, čini se da je ukrajinska vojska sada na dobrom putu, piše Economist.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/0 ... ess-slowlyUkrajina je isprobala različite pristupe u protuofenzivi koju je pokrenula 4. lipnja, ali počinje shvaćati što funkcionira. “Tijekom posljednja dva tjedna vidjeli smo da se stvari postupno okreću u korist Ukrajine”, kaže Nico Lange, stručnjak za Ukrajinu pri Münchenskoj sigurnosnoj konferenciji...
#179819 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 11:55
Mislim da, bez kvalitetne zračne podrške, da ukrajinska vojska još neće biti na dobrom putu tokom ofanziveČitalac wrote: ↑17/08/2023 11:50 Nakon deset sedmica ofanzive, čini se da je ukrajinska vojska sada na dobrom putu, piše Economist.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/0 ... ess-slowlyUkrajina je isprobala različite pristupe u protuofenzivi koju je pokrenula 4. lipnja, ali počinje shvaćati što funkcionira. “Tijekom posljednja dva tjedna vidjeli smo da se stvari postupno okreću u korist Ukrajine”, kaže Nico Lange, stručnjak za Ukrajinu pri Münchenskoj sigurnosnoj konferenciji...
#179820 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 12:07
bljat, lakosta bub
#179821 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 12:10
#179822 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 12:14
Inače, u ovom tekstu Economista...
Ako je ovo tačno, a jutros su, kažu, oborena dva...Lange kaže da se ruska sredstva poput samohodnih haubica i jurišnih helikoptera Ka-52 uništavaju "korak po korak". Rusija je na početku rata imala oko 100 Ka-52, ali sada ih je vjerojatno ostalo samo 25.
#179823 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 12:19
sad svi vide sta urki rade...
cak i najvece neverne tome ce skontat, kako se topio ork mordorat...
cak i najvece neverne tome ce skontat, kako se topio ork mordorat...
#179824 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 12:22
Računaj da je među tih 100 početnih barem 10-15% doživjelo nekakav kvar u toku godinu dana intenzivne upotrebe. Ako ne i 25%Čitalac wrote: ↑17/08/2023 12:14 Inače, u ovom tekstu Economista...
Ako je ovo tačno, a jutros su, kažu, oborena dva...Lange kaže da se ruska sredstva poput samohodnih haubica i jurišnih helikoptera Ka-52 uništavaju "korak po korak". Rusija je na početku rata imala oko 100 Ka-52, ali sada ih je vjerojatno ostalo samo 25.
#179825 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 17/08/2023 12:23