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Posted: **10/08/2023 00:35**

Hame_ wrote: ↑10/08/2023 00:21 Posrnulo kinesko gospodarstvo moglo bi biti nada za Ukrajinu.

Srijeda, 09. august 2023.

Ekonomski problemi Kine vjerojatno nisu pretjerani.

Nezaposlenost mladih premašuje 20%. Vrijednosti nekretnina - ključne imovine za mnoge Kineze - počinju padati, što će smanjiti povjerenje kineskih potrošača. Kineski javni dug raste, a privatni dug je visok; te će dugove biti teže servisirati ako cijene nastave padati.

Ipak, Kina ima veliko gospodarstvo i dovoljno resursa da u određenoj mjeri ublaži štetu. Vjerojatno.

Evo ključne stvari: Kina mora odlučiti hoće li nastaviti svoje kretanje prema agresivnim autoritarnim državama, kao što je to "partnerstvo bez ograničenja"” s Rusijom, ili početi mijenjati smjer, jasnije osuditi Putinov vojni ekspanzionizam u Ukrajini i smanjiti vlastite vojne prijetnje Tajvanu.

Kina bi time mogla pomoći u učvršćivanju ili ponovnom uspostavljanju obostrano korisnih odnosa sa zapadnim gospodarstvima. Nadajmo se da će i kineski narod i njihovo autoritarno vodstvo početi uviđati da je ponovna izgradnja povjerenja i suradnje sa Zapadom bolja za kinesko gospodarstvo i snažnu, samouvjerenu kinesku budućnost od ljubakanja s genocidnim diktatorima poput Putina i maltretiranja njihovih susjeda u istočnoj Aziji.

Kina je preokrenula kurs svoje drakonske politike protiv Covida, a može promijeniti kurs i u ekonomiji. Barem se tome nadam.

Ja sam optimist.

Kini treba samo hint dati da zapad ne bi nista imao protiv vracanja historijskih teritorija.

Posted: **10/08/2023 06:51**

drug_profi wrote: ↑10/08/2023 00:35
Hame_ wrote: ↑10/08/2023 00:21 Posrnulo kinesko gospodarstvo moglo bi biti nada za Ukrajinu.

Srijeda, 09. august 2023.

Ekonomski problemi Kine vjerojatno nisu pretjerani.

Nezaposlenost mladih premašuje 20%. Vrijednosti nekretnina - ključne imovine za mnoge Kineze - počinju padati, što će smanjiti povjerenje kineskih potrošača. Kineski javni dug raste, a privatni dug je visok; te će dugove biti teže servisirati ako cijene nastave padati.

Ipak, Kina ima veliko gospodarstvo i dovoljno resursa da u određenoj mjeri ublaži štetu. Vjerojatno.

Evo ključne stvari: Kina mora odlučiti hoće li nastaviti svoje kretanje prema agresivnim autoritarnim državama, kao što je to "partnerstvo bez ograničenja"” s Rusijom, ili početi mijenjati smjer, jasnije osuditi Putinov vojni ekspanzionizam u Ukrajini i smanjiti vlastite vojne prijetnje Tajvanu.

Kina bi time mogla pomoći u učvršćivanju ili ponovnom uspostavljanju obostrano korisnih odnosa sa zapadnim gospodarstvima. Nadajmo se da će i kineski narod i njihovo autoritarno vodstvo početi uviđati da je ponovna izgradnja povjerenja i suradnje sa Zapadom bolja za kinesko gospodarstvo i snažnu, samouvjerenu kinesku budućnost od ljubakanja s genocidnim diktatorima poput Putina i maltretiranja njihovih susjeda u istočnoj Aziji.

Kina je preokrenula kurs svoje drakonske politike protiv Covida, a može promijeniti kurs i u ekonomiji. Barem se tome nadam.

Ja sam optimist.
Kini treba samo hint dati da zapad ne bi nista imao protiv vracanja historijskih teritorija.

Samo cu vam ovo reci pa vi vidite opsirnije necu jer je twma Ukrajina.

Kao sto smo prije 24 Februara mislili da je Rusija 2 vojna sila u svijetu i konkurent Americi cak jos jace misljenje imamo o Kini.
Kina je u deep deep shitu.

Kad kazete ima resurse nema najbitniji a to je nafta i to je hrana. 2 najbititnija resursa koja zemlja mora imati.

Naftu iskljucivo uvoze, hranu dobar dio uvoze jer nemaju dovoljno plodnih povrsina da nahrane 1.5 milijardi ljudi.

2 strana price je demografija, politika 1 dijeteta koja se vodila od 70tih godina pa do unazad par godina je Kinu osakatila malo je reci. Na kraju se saznalo da su cak u statistikama slagali broj ljudi koje imaju. Naknadno se saznalo da 100 miliona najproduktivnijih a to su 18-45 godisnjaci jednostavno ne postoje.
Generacija koja je izgradila Kinu polako ulazi u penziju a za nekih 10 godina ce se desiti demografski slom tj teska recesija stanovnistva. Neki govore cak o tome da cw Kina u narednih 50 godina izgubiti oko 500 do 700 miliona stanovnika.

Miliona je tu drugih problema ali mozda najbitniji je Xi Jinping
On je klasicni prototip diktatora teskasa.
Teskas znaci Mao Cedung, Staljin i slicno.
Vrlo brz na uklanjanju konkurencije, ubistva l mucenja i prijetnje u ogromnom broju.
U biti taj lik cisti Kinu od sposobnih i pretvara je u more podobnih. I meni on djeluje kao neko ko je glup ko Putin da izazove rat.

U zadnjih 2 godine mnogo Kineskih zvanicnika, bogatasa i slicno je jednostavno nestalo. Zadnji slucaj je ministar Vanjskih poslova covjek jednostavno propao u zemlju.
Sjetite se prosle godine farse na Zasjedanju Komunisticke stranke kad su javno odstranili 2 covjeka Kine jer je bio prijetnja Xiu.

Taj covjek ce izazvati rat i Ameri su vrlo vrlo sigurni u to.
Jucer sam saznao game plan Amera za Pacifik i mogu samo reci planovi Amera su zastrasujuci po Kinu.

Posted: **10/08/2023 08:19**

Negdje su tenkovi dobro nagrdjeni

Posted: **10/08/2023 08:31**

Sve je to isti qrac pravio

Google prijevod - Ruski oficir "pukovnik Šuvalov" opisao je na Telegramu kako se potiče na lažiranje izvještaja o uništenoj ukrajinskoj opremi snimanjem napada različitim danima korištenjem raznih oružja i opreme. To je učinjeno kako bi se zadovoljilo više vodstvo jer svi imaju koristi od pozitivnih izvješća i napuhanih brojeva. Dugačak post, ali vrijedi ga pročitati.

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When civilians are surprised by Lancets and Krasnopols attacking enemy decoys, that’s normal. But when people who at least served conscript service are surprised by it (and even more so they ridicule it), then you should also be surprised.

The Soviet system of military service (which we have morally preserved) is very simple. The primary desire for a military man is to make something go boom, let's be honest. The more modern and powerful the available weapons are, the greater the internal need to boom them. The category "expensive" in military psychology is not applicable if it is not coming from your salary.

The second point are the reports. You can know for sure that you are hitting a decoy, and not the enemy’s vehicle, you can suspect this, but if the decoy as a whole is not bad and suits you for a report, then you hit it and report about success to the top.

Any Soviet officer (whom many people f*p on today) would have done just that. Because the army is simple. Because your report about the hit target (especially a “fat” one) is a joy for you, and for the authorities, and for the authorities of the authorities.

But if you give an “All Clear” and write a dull report that "the detected target turned out to be false and it seemed inappropriate to hit it because of the need to save precision-guided ammunition," then you will become an a*shole for both the authorities and fellow officers. And for all of them, you will be “not really military.”

How is this problem solved by the enemy? Their "Western specialists" got control over the targets. They did not try to break the established psychotype of the Soviet officer school (Ukrainian officers, especially the older ones, remained Soviet in their psychotype, there’s nowhere for anything else to come from), they simply took control, removing the motivation to create false reports. A kind of substitution of the military classics for a business approach.

But we're not only hitting wooden models. Now I’ll say a vile and unpopular thing, but let at least one active officer point that out if I’m lying: before, and after the appearance of Western military equipment - in general, a very popular way to give a good result upwards is to beautifully fire at the enemy’s already destroyed equipment.

Bradley, that was ATGMed yesterday, today can be beautifully fired at from helicopters, and tomorrow you can hit it from self-propelled guns. With video recording, reports, and all the right angles. So this becomes not one, but three wrecked Bradleys. Since the political leadership is demanding a specific report, the General Staff will demand such a report too.

And the military will solve it the way they know how - in a military way. I won't list specific examples, but everyone in the army knows perfectly well what I'm talking about. This is not exotic, this is already a mass practice.

Exotic is to make an order for a service of designing pictures a video of an objective control of a battle. You give an acquaintance a video and a photo of a wrecked MTLB, you give him a task, and he returns high-quality pictures to you, where instead of an MTLB there is a tank or self-propelled guns, next to which there are several wrecked infantry fighting vehicles.

But in the army itself, no one will ever try and fight this, and it is stupid to scold the General Staff or the minister. Some external solution is needed. Something similar to how the targets of the Ukrainians are controlled by Western instructors.

Because for the military, everything that I mentioned above is, as it were, not a crime, and not even a “Zalyot” [i.e. blunder]. “Zalyot” is when you were caught doing this, but caught in such a way that you could not get yourself out. Passing out the John Deere harvesters as Leopards was, of course, an oversight, but even then they got away. Although this should be punished three times, primarily those who were stupid enough to create this setup and get caught.

And the rest ... The political leadership has its own universe, from which it gives orders and instructions to the military leadership. The military leadership already has its own universe, very different. And it gives instructions down and reports up, based on its vision of the situation. At the bottom - there is generally a harsh reality, but its adjusted for military perception. The necessary reports are required from you in the universe of military leadership, and if reality does not correspond to it, these are problems of reality. You're an officer, you can do it."

Posted: **10/08/2023 08:35**

Opet dronovi lete blizu Moskve

Posted: **10/08/2023 08:47**

Sve go divljak, sociopata i silovatelj.
To je ta "2. vojna sila"

Procitati citav thread

Posted: **10/08/2023 09:16**

Gdje su prije sa ovo cluster municijom

Google prijevod - Chervonopopivka, Luganska oblast, Ukrajinske snage iz 40. artiljerijske brigade pogodile su rusku deponiju municije sa DPICM kasetnom municijom.

Posted: **10/08/2023 09:22**

Distortion wrote: ↑10/08/2023 08:35

Opet dronovi lete blizu Moskve

I to drito po najvecem civilnom aerodromu u Rusiji

Posted: **10/08/2023 09:38**

Mislim da aerodrom nije zahvaćen, bar u komentarima kažu. Valjalo bi provjeriti zasigurno šta je gađano.

Posted: **10/08/2023 09:43**

znas koliki je aerodrom, i da je ova vatra na jednom gejtu ili dijelu aerodorma drugi i ne zna sta se desava.

Posted: **10/08/2023 10:18**

video wrote: ↑10/08/2023 08:31 Sve je to isti qrac pravio
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Google prijevod - Ruski oficir "pukovnik Šuvalov" opisao je na Telegramu kako se potiče na lažiranje izvještaja o uništenoj ukrajinskoj opremi snimanjem napada različitim danima korištenjem raznih oružja i opreme. To je učinjeno kako bi se zadovoljilo više vodstvo jer svi imaju koristi od pozitivnih izvješća i napuhanih brojeva. Dugačak post, ali vrijedi ga pročitati.

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When civilians are surprised by Lancets and Krasnopols attacking enemy decoys, that’s normal. But when people who at least served conscript service are surprised by it (and even more so they ridicule it), then you should also be surprised.

The Soviet system of military service (which we have morally preserved) is very simple. The primary desire for a military man is to make something go boom, let's be honest. The more modern and powerful the available weapons are, the greater the internal need to boom them. The category "expensive" in military psychology is not applicable if it is not coming from your salary.

The second point are the reports. You can know for sure that you are hitting a decoy, and not the enemy’s vehicle, you can suspect this, but if the decoy as a whole is not bad and suits you for a report, then you hit it and report about success to the top.

Any Soviet officer (whom many people f*p on today) would have done just that. Because the army is simple. Because your report about the hit target (especially a “fat” one) is a joy for you, and for the authorities, and for the authorities of the authorities.

But if you give an “All Clear” and write a dull report that "the detected target turned out to be false and it seemed inappropriate to hit it because of the need to save precision-guided ammunition," then you will become an a*shole for both the authorities and fellow officers. And for all of them, you will be “not really military.”

How is this problem solved by the enemy? Their "Western specialists" got control over the targets. They did not try to break the established psychotype of the Soviet officer school (Ukrainian officers, especially the older ones, remained Soviet in their psychotype, there’s nowhere for anything else to come from), they simply took control, removing the motivation to create false reports. A kind of substitution of the military classics for a business approach.

But we're not only hitting wooden models. Now I’ll say a vile and unpopular thing, but let at least one active officer point that out if I’m lying: before, and after the appearance of Western military equipment - in general, a very popular way to give a good result upwards is to beautifully fire at the enemy’s already destroyed equipment.

Bradley, that was ATGMed yesterday, today can be beautifully fired at from helicopters, and tomorrow you can hit it from self-propelled guns. With video recording, reports, and all the right angles. So this becomes not one, but three wrecked Bradleys. Since the political leadership is demanding a specific report, the General Staff will demand such a report too.

And the military will solve it the way they know how - in a military way. I won't list specific examples, but everyone in the army knows perfectly well what I'm talking about. This is not exotic, this is already a mass practice.

Exotic is to make an order for a service of designing pictures a video of an objective control of a battle. You give an acquaintance a video and a photo of a wrecked MTLB, you give him a task, and he returns high-quality pictures to you, where instead of an MTLB there is a tank or self-propelled guns, next to which there are several wrecked infantry fighting vehicles.

But in the army itself, no one will ever try and fight this, and it is stupid to scold the General Staff or the minister. Some external solution is needed. Something similar to how the targets of the Ukrainians are controlled by Western instructors.

Because for the military, everything that I mentioned above is, as it were, not a crime, and not even a “Zalyot” [i.e. blunder]. “Zalyot” is when you were caught doing this, but caught in such a way that you could not get yourself out. Passing out the John Deere harvesters as Leopards was, of course, an oversight, but even then they got away. Although this should be punished three times, primarily those who were stupid enough to create this setup and get caught.

And the rest ... The political leadership has its own universe, from which it gives orders and instructions to the military leadership. The military leadership already has its own universe, very different. And it gives instructions down and reports up, based on its vision of the situation. At the bottom - there is generally a harsh reality, but its adjusted for military perception. The necessary reports are required from you in the universe of military leadership, and if reality does not correspond to it, these are problems of reality. You're an officer, you can do it."

da o tome je Kuper pisao vec vise puta od juna mjeseca to Rusi rade organizovano jedan dogadjaj se snima sa sto vise kamera iz sto vise uglova, sve je dio ruskog napora usmjerenog prije svega prema rukovostvu u Moskvi i nadredjenima prati narativ ukrajinska ofanziva propada ili da ako i imaju kakve uspjehe da trpe velike gubitke, fotoshipiranje i dodavanje tenkova i transportera je uz to isto bila praksa na pocetku, defmon i slicni su to provalili vec nakon par dana samo je Julianu trebalo mjesec dana da se dohaviza

jutros je bas Kuper komentarisao ovaj tvit, taj nacin rada nije dakle kako on pise dio neke propagandne kampanje usmjerene prema vani ili za domacu publiku to je od sporednog interesa glavno je da to vidi rukovodstvo u Moskvi to je ono sto Kuper naziva "primitivnim razlozima"

Čuj, čuj... 'vizualna' potvrda za ono što je očito barem od lipnja ove godine:
"Ruski časnik "Pukovnik Šuvalov" opisao je na Telegramu kako se potiče na izmišljanje izvješća o uništenoj ukrajinskoj opremi snimanjem napada različitim danima uz korištenje raznih oružja i opreme. To se radi kako bi se zadovoljilo više rukovodstvo jer svi imaju koristi od pozitivnih izvješća i napuhanih brojeva . To je dugačak post, ali vrijedi ga pročitati
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....i još jedan dokaz zašto je obostranost - koliko god bila popularna među redovima svih mogućih 'stručnjaka', senzacionalističkih medija i kojekakvih samopromotera danas - idiotski pogrešna odluka.

BTW, obratite pozornost na primitivne razloge za to: zapravo, oni snimaju sve te videe (koje potom puštaju) da bi Pudding & Co KG GesmbH bili sretni!
....i što ih više usrećuju, to bolje za njih - čak i ako je stvarno tako da '7 različitih videa prikazuje potpuno istu scenu'...

Posted: **10/08/2023 11:30**

lajkujMe wrote: ↑09/08/2023 22:56 Kad smo vec kod Odese

Jeste primjetili promjenu narativa kod Ruske propagande?

Apsolutno niko vise ne spominje osvajanje bilo cega u Ukrajini pogotovo ne Odese, Khersona i tako

pa đe će kad nemaju kad od osvajanja Londona, Berlina, Lisabona i Ljubljane

Posted: **10/08/2023 11:34**

zato roblee najvaljuje formiranje novih vdv ivizija brigada sta vec kod ruja je to svakako svejedno jer je popujnenost jedinicama svkak upitna.

evo

Posted: **10/08/2023 11:35**

A stalno se govori svima: Rusi lažu.
To je aksiom.
Lažu i kad ne moraju. Jednostavno je sve kod njih zasnovano na laži.

Posted: **10/08/2023 11:52**

Posted: **10/08/2023 11:53**

JoseMujica wrote: ↑10/08/2023 11:30
lajkujMe wrote: ↑09/08/2023 22:56 Kad smo vec kod Odese

Jeste primjetili promjenu narativa kod Ruske propagande?

Apsolutno niko vise ne spominje osvajanje bilo cega u Ukrajini pogotovo ne Odese, Khersona i tako
pa đe će kad nemaju kad od osvajanja Londona, Berlina, Lisabona i Ljubljane

A Ljubljana se tu još pokazala kao ponajzajebanija

Ljubljančani spašavaju guzove lisabončanima

Ima li vas đe londončani

Posted: **10/08/2023 11:54**

in potem mu je z prekletimi palčkami črez na črez prepičil cicke junačke

Posted: **10/08/2023 12:26**

Gandalf wrote: ↑10/08/2023 11:53
JoseMujica wrote: ↑10/08/2023 11:30

pa đe će kad nemaju kad od osvajanja Londona, Berlina, Lisabona i Ljubljane
A Ljubljana se tu još pokazala kao ponajzajebanija
Ljubljančani spašavaju guzove lisabončanima
Ima li vas đe londončani

Ljubljana nije toliko zaplatila u ovim poplavama, pa dobili

ljudi komandu kopaj rovove ide morodorska žgadija

Šalu nastranu Slovenija ima prečeg posla u čiščenju i uređivanju posle poplava, žgadija je druga na spisku da se je rješi.

Slava Ukrajini, Herojima Slava

Posted: **10/08/2023 12:27**

https://avaz.ba/vijesti/globus/848910/n ... alekovodom

katastrofa u najavi u reziji mordora

Posted: **10/08/2023 14:18**

Komandno mjesto leeeti u neeebooo

Posted: **10/08/2023 15:11**

rutaljima je bolje bilo u WWII kad su Ameri i Englezi hranili i opremali

Posted: **10/08/2023 15:12**

JoseMujica wrote: ↑10/08/2023 15:11

rutaljima je bolje bilo u WWII kad su Ameri i Englezi hranili i opremali

Šta se bune bezveze. Zar ne vide da je rat.

pardon, specijalna operacija.

Posted: **10/08/2023 15:17**

Posted: **10/08/2023 16:05**

Kuleba kaže da su pregovori sa Moskvom - ali ne i sa Putinom - mogući onda kada se ruske trupe povuku iz Ukrajine.

Ministar vanjskih poslova Dmitro Kuleba rekao je da će Ukrajina biti spremna pregovarati s Rusijom kada agresorske trupe napuste Ukrajinu, ali ne i s ruskim predsjednikom Vladimirom Putinom.
- Možemo pregovarati s Rusijom nakon povlačenja njihovih trupa iz naše zemlje. Taj se cilj može postići mješavinom rata i diplomacije. Naši generali rade prvo, njihov zadatak je ohrabriti Ruse da se povuku i uvjeriti ih da je bolje razgovarati nego boriti se - kaže Kuleba.
Istovremeno, on ističe da su pregovorii s aktualnim ruskim predsjednikom Vladimirom Putinom nemogući jer je počinio previše zločina.
- Postoje drugi diplomatski načini za neizravno poslovanje. Ali jasno je da nikada nećemo vidjeti Putina i Zelenskog za istim stolom - naglasio je ukrajinski ministar.
Nakon sastanka u Saudijskoj Arabiji, šef ureda predsjednika Andriy Yermak rekao je da Ukrajina planira održati dva samita o "formuli mira" koju je predstavio Zelenski, a na jednom od njih će sudjelovati i Rusija.

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