Hajde eto ti reci ... ali konkretno a znam već unaprijed da neces nista reci ...NIN wrote:Hajdemo ovako. Posto ti se ne svidja pitanje o sisnim bradavicama htio bih te priupitati sljedece, takodjer jako bitno pitanje koje se veze za temu o evoliciji tvojih predaka, a samim tim i mojih jel'. Naime, priupitao bih te odakle ti taj repic medju guzovima?istocnjak wrote:Ma tamo je samo Liberalism a on je kao ti skeptik bez pravih argumenata ... samo šuplja.
istocnjak wrote:Hajde eto ti reci ... ali konkretno a znam već unaprijed da neces nista reci ...NIN wrote:Hajdemo ovako. Posto ti se ne svidja pitanje o sisnim bradavicama htio bih te priupitati sljedece, takodjer jako bitno pitanje koje se veze za temu o evoliciji tvojih predaka, a samim tim i mojih jel'. Naime, priupitao bih te odakle ti taj repic medju guzovima?istocnjak wrote:Ma tamo je samo Liberalism a on je kao ti skeptik bez pravih argumenata ... samo šuplja.
Opet šuplja po obicaju Darwin nije uopšte bio naučnik vec obican amater ...NIN wrote:
Pa fol je da ja tebe pitam jer ti si taj sto se joguni i obada, ne ja - meni je prilicno jasno. Dakle, kako uklapas taj svoj repic medju guzovima sa prvobitnim stvaranjem?
Darwin i Lamarck su pogriješili jer je u njihovo vrijeme život mogao biti proučavan samo primitivnom tehnologijom i na jednom veoma neadekvatnom nivou. Znanstvene oblasti kao što su genetika i biohemija nisu postojale. Prema tome, njihove teorije morale su se potpuno osloniti na snagu njihove mašte. Dok je eho Darwinove knjige odjekivao, jedan austrijski botaničar po imenu Gregor Mendel je 1865. godine otkrio zakone nasljeđivanja. O tome se nije puno čulo do kraja stoljeća. Mendelovo otkriće je zadobilo veliku važnost početkom XX stoljeća. To je bilo rođenje genetike kao nauke. Nešto kasnije, otkriveni su struktura gena i hromosomi. Otkriće DNA molekule, u 50-im, koja sadrži genetske informacije, bacilo je teoriju evolucije u veliku krizu. Razlog je bio u nevjerovatnoj složenosti života i ništavnosti evolucionih mehanizama koje je predložio Darwin. Rezultat ovih otkrića trebao je biti potpuno odbacivanje Darwinove teorije. Međutim, ovo se nije dogodilo, jer su određeni krugovi insistirali na reviziji, obnavljanju i podizanju teorije na jednu znanstvenu platformu. Ovi napori su shvatljivi samo ako primijetimo da iza teorije evolucije stoje ideološke intencije, a ne znanstvena briga.?
Sad znas da nista ne znas.NIN wrote:Nista onda. Rezimirat cemo da je evolucija laz i podvala nekih anam krugova. Eto, priznajem!
Nekad repic moze biti i tvoja lingvistika a ako se nalazis medju muskim bradavicama onda je to već tvoj problem.NIN wrote:
Al' opet ti ostade taj repic medju guzovima!
...a i sisne bradavice...!
madner wrote:Pa ti svoj zivot krojis po jos starijoj literaturiistocnjak wrote:Čitaš literaturu iz 1942? Ma pravo napredno i moderno razmišljanje.
Cuvaj se ti @madnera opasan je za zene ... vidi mu samo avatar i sve ce ti biti jasno ...Loulou wrote:madner wrote:Pa ti svoj zivot krojis po jos starijoj literaturiistocnjak wrote:Čitaš literaturu iz 1942? Ma pravo napredno i moderno razmišljanje.
(PS. vas dvojicu treba uramiti, majke mi. A i @NIN gdje je - tu je)
istocnjak wrote:Cuvaj se ti @madnera opasan je za zene ... vidi mu samo avatar i sve ce ti biti jasno ...
Loulou wrote:istocnjak wrote:Cuvaj se ti @madnera opasan je za zene ... vidi mu samo avatar i sve ce ti biti jasno ...
Ma, rodila vas majka, obojicu
Najbolje je kad te pitaju za literaturu i kad im das kazu: Ja ne citamjOFLA wrote:Najbolji su mi ovi dođu nešto da tvrde i opovrgavaju, a kad im u skladu sa diskusijom zatražiš konkretna objašnjenja onda se izvlače, zaobilaze, napad ad hominem, petljaju, a ništa od objašnjenja ili odgovora.
Giordano wrote:Loulou wrote:
Ma, rodila vas majka, obojicu
Slusaj Loulou,nemoj ti da se uplices u ovu naucnu raspravu,jerbo je ovo naucna rasprava o evoluciji,a ne o revoluciji!
Giordano wrote:
Ma je li,oca ti!?
Hebote,to nisam znao!
Svaka cast i fala ti na ovome!
Baš neki dan sam na temi o Zeitgeist-u, gdje je paranoično društvo poklonika tog filma počelo da citira Haruny Yahyu kao referencu, rekao kako sam pročitao dvije knjige od istog, i kako je u jednoj od njih autor izrekao laž u prvoj rečenici knjige.istocnjak wrote:PODVALE TEORIJE EVOLUCIJE
Uvod u knjigu: “PODVALE TEORIJE EVOLUCIJE”, Autor: Harun Yahya, Izdavač: Bosančica print, Sarajevo, 2000. god.
http://www.dzemat-oberhausen.de/pages/t ... -yahya.php
"Kad pogledamo znanstvene podatke koji se odnose, naprimjer, na molekularnu biologiju, vidjet ćemo da ne postoji nikakva šansa da je ijedna živa ćelija - ili bilo koji od miliona proteina koji se nalaze u toj ćeliji – mogla nastati slučajno kako tvrde evolucionisti. Kao što ćemo ilustrirati u narednim poglavljima, statistika (računanje vjerovatnoća) potvrđuje činjenicu da slučajnost nema nikave veze sa nastankom živih bića. Tako da evolucionistički pogled na pojavljivanje živih bića ima nula vjerovatnoću da bude ispravan. To znači da prvi pogled ima 100% vjerovatoću da je ispravan. To jeste, da je život svjesno nastao. Drukčije rečeno, život je „stvoren“. Sva živa bića su nastala dizajniranjem Jednog Tvorca, Uzvišenog u Superiornoj Moći, Mudrosti i Znanju. Ova realnost nije stvar ubjeđenja; to je normalan zaključak do kojeg vode mudrost, logika i znanost."
Jedan od osnivača moderne fizike, njemački fizičar Max Planck je jednom rekao da svako ko ozbiljno proučava znanost mora pročitati frazu napisanu na vratima hrama nauke: „Imaj vjeru.“ Vjera je suštinski atribut nauke.
In 2008 he was sentenced by a Turkish court to three years in prison for "creating an illegal organization for personal gain."[10]
In September 1999 Adnan Oktar was arrested following multiple scandals and further allegations that were fully covered by the Turkish media.[55] In that court case, Oktar was charged with using threats for personal benefit and creating an organization with the intent to commit a crime.[56] One complainant, a fashion model named Ebru Simsek claimed she was blackmailed.[57], and then slandered as a "prostitute" in fax messages sent to hundreds of different newspapers, TV channels, major business companies, foreign consulates and government offices for refusing to have sex with Adnan Oktar. The judicial process lasted over two years, during which most of the complainants' retracted their claims, repportedly because of threats or bribes from SRF members.
- metode kojima se služi u raspravi s evolucionistima:According to the indictment of the prosecutor’s office, cited by the daily Cumhuriyet, Adnan Oktar and associates raped young women many of whom were under the age of 18 on camera and blackmailed them by threatening to release the sex tapes to their friends and family members. Many of these young women were then forced to entice select young men from wealthy families with the promise of sex in exchange for attending events organised by the BAV. The court heard how in turn these klix were formed into a group called of what they referred to as "odalisques" (cariyeler) and were ordered to videotape their sex sessions with these young men and deliver the tapes to Oktar.
Oktar had defended his views by litigation; he is responsible for the blocking of numerous, high-profile Web sites.
The SRF also spearheaded an effort to attack Turkish academics who taught evolutionary theory. A number of faculty members were harassed, threatened and slandered in fliers that labeled them "Maoists" for teaching evolution. In 1999, six of the professors won a civil court case against the SRF for defamation and were each awarded a large sum of money.[26]
- pa malo sumanutih ideja proganjanja:On April 10, 2008, Google Groups was blocked in Turkey following a libel complaint by Adnan Oktar.[45] As of May 5, 2008, the ban remains in effect for TTNet users.
On September 19, 2008, a Turkish court banned Internet users in Turkey from viewing the official Richard Dawkins Web site after Oktar claimed its contents were defamatory, blasphemous and insulting religion, arguing that his personality was violated by this site.[46][47][48][49][50]
- pa malo poricanja holokausta:In 1986, Adnan Oktar published the book, Judaism and Freemasonry. The book suggests that the principal mission of Jews and Freemasons in Turkey was to erode the spiritual, religious, and moral values of the Turkish people and, thus, make them like animals, as stated in what Oktar refers to as the "Distorted Torah."[12][13] Oktar asserts that "the materialist standpoint, evolution theory, anti-religious and immoral lifestyles were indoctrinated to the society as a whole" by Jews and Freemasons.[12]
Following the publication of Judaism and Freemasonry, Adnan Oktar was arrested and imprisoned.[11] He was transferred to Bakırköy Mental Hospital and placed under observation.[14] According to his official biography he was released after 19 months.[15] In a 2007 interview on Al Jazeera, he blamed Freemasons saying it was a "message" for him not to write about them anymore.[14]
pravi vjernik i dobar insanThe publication of Soykırım Yalanı sparked much public debate.[18] This book claims that “what is presented as Holocaust is the death of some Jews due to the typhus plague during the war and the famine towards the end of the war caused by the defeat of the Germans.”
odsad pa na dalje i ubuduće, ko mi god krene citirati njegova sumanuta bulažnjenja, ja mu samo link na ovaj post.JThomas wrote:ovo sam već jednom pisao na nekoj temi, ali nije zgoreg da se ponovi za fanove haruna yahje oliti adnana oktara...wikipedia je vaš prijatelj.
- problemčići sa zakonom:
In 2008 he was sentenced by a Turkish court to three years in prison for "creating an illegal organization for personal gain."[10]In September 1999 Adnan Oktar was arrested following multiple scandals and further allegations that were fully covered by the Turkish media.[55] In that court case, Oktar was charged with using threats for personal benefit and creating an organization with the intent to commit a crime.[56] One complainant, a fashion model named Ebru Simsek claimed she was blackmailed.[57], and then slandered as a "prostitute" in fax messages sent to hundreds of different newspapers, TV channels, major business companies, foreign consulates and government offices for refusing to have sex with Adnan Oktar. The judicial process lasted over two years, during which most of the complainants' retracted their claims, repportedly because of threats or bribes from SRF members.- metode kojima se služi u raspravi s evolucionistima:According to the indictment of the prosecutor’s office, cited by the daily Cumhuriyet, Adnan Oktar and associates raped young women many of whom were under the age of 18 on camera and blackmailed them by threatening to release the sex tapes to their friends and family members. Many of these young women were then forced to entice select young men from wealthy families with the promise of sex in exchange for attending events organised by the BAV. The court heard how in turn these klix were formed into a group called of what they referred to as "odalisques" (cariyeler) and were ordered to videotape their sex sessions with these young men and deliver the tapes to Oktar.
Oktar had defended his views by litigation; he is responsible for the blocking of numerous, high-profile Web sites.The SRF also spearheaded an effort to attack Turkish academics who taught evolutionary theory. A number of faculty members were harassed, threatened and slandered in fliers that labeled them "Maoists" for teaching evolution. In 1999, six of the professors won a civil court case against the SRF for defamation and were each awarded a large sum of money.[26]- pa malo sumanutih ideja proganjanja:On April 10, 2008, Google Groups was blocked in Turkey following a libel complaint by Adnan Oktar.[45] As of May 5, 2008, the ban remains in effect for TTNet users.
On September 19, 2008, a Turkish court banned Internet users in Turkey from viewing the official Richard Dawkins Web site after Oktar claimed its contents were defamatory, blasphemous and insulting religion, arguing that his personality was violated by this site.[46][47][48][49][50]
- pa malo poricanja holokausta:In 1986, Adnan Oktar published the book, Judaism and Freemasonry. The book suggests that the principal mission of Jews and Freemasons in Turkey was to erode the spiritual, religious, and moral values of the Turkish people and, thus, make them like animals, as stated in what Oktar refers to as the "Distorted Torah."[12][13] Oktar asserts that "the materialist standpoint, evolution theory, anti-religious and immoral lifestyles were indoctrinated to the society as a whole" by Jews and Freemasons.[12]
Following the publication of Judaism and Freemasonry, Adnan Oktar was arrested and imprisoned.[11] He was transferred to Bakırköy Mental Hospital and placed under observation.[14] According to his official biography he was released after 19 months.[15] In a 2007 interview on Al Jazeera, he blamed Freemasons saying it was a "message" for him not to write about them anymore.[14]
pravi vjernik i dobar insanThe publication of Soykırım Yalanı sparked much public debate.[18] This book claims that “what is presented as Holocaust is the death of some Jews due to the typhus plague during the war and the famine towards the end of the war caused by the defeat of the Germans.”
Giordano wrote:
Ma pusti Tomo,radi se o tome da ljudi jednostavno ne shvataju pravo znacenje rijeci EVOLUCIJA!
toliko o njegovom naučnom kredibilitetuRichard Dawkins reviewed the book (later translated into Turkish) noting that it contains a number of factual errors, such as the misidentification of a sea snake as an eel (two unrelated species)
Šta kažeš o tome da u doba Darwina genetika i biohemija kao nauke nisu postojale i da isti nije bio naucnik vec amater?JThomas wrote:zaboravih još jedan biser, naime, naš veliki naučnik oktar/yahja smatra da su morske zmije i jegulje jedno te isto:
toliko o njegovom naučnom kredibilitetuRichard Dawkins reviewed the book (later translated into Turkish) noting that it contains a number of factual errors, such as the misidentification of a sea snake as an eel (two unrelated species)
kakve to veze i sa čim ima?istocnjak wrote:Šta kažeš o tome da u doba Darwina genetika i biohemija kao nauke nisu postojale i da isti nije bio naucnik vec amater?JThomas wrote:zaboravih još jedan biser, naime, naš veliki naučnik oktar/yahja smatra da su morske zmije i jegulje jedno te isto:
toliko o njegovom naučnom kredibilitetuRichard Dawkins reviewed the book (later translated into Turkish) noting that it contains a number of factual errors, such as the misidentification of a sea snake as an eel (two unrelated species)
Ti samo vrijedjas nista vise mislio sam da si se promjenio ali nista od toga, dakle samo par distance kao i do sada. O.k?JThomas wrote:
kakve to veze i sa čim ima?
darwin je teoriji dao opštu ideju koja i danas stoji. savršeno je normalno da je dosta stvari bio i u krivu u odnosu na ono što danas znamo, koji naučnik iz 19. vijeka nije, neovisno o oblasti? njegova razmišljanja su nadograđena, proširena, neka su i oborena, ali bitna je glavna ideja, na kojoj su izgrađene moderne teorije o evoluciji.
(al sigurno je i u 19.vijeku znao da su zmije i jegulje nešto skroz različito, za razliku od tvog idola, silovatelja, zlostavljača, ucjenjivača...)
šta znači amater i zašto je to uopšte bitno? u to doba još uvijek nije bilo puno profesionalnih naučnika, većina ih je morala živjeti od nečeg drugog. i genetiku i biohemiju je neko morao stvoriti.
stvarno ne bi bilo zgoreg da nešto o toj evoluciji i pročitaš. ti ne znaš ni temeljne postavke onoga što pokušavaš pobijati.
Kada počneš citati malo ozbiljnija djela osim Alan Forda razgovaracemo.madner wrote:Sta ti kazes da procitas ovo sto sam ti naveo pa onda dodjes da nam trubis kako je Darwin bio amater.
Postao si dosadan sa tvojim tupavim stavom.
