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jefferson wrote:

draganbl wrote:

Bosanski_kralj wrote:@draganbl
Po međunarodnom pravu Sud u Srbiji nikako ne može biti nadležan za slučaj Tuzlanska kolona, tako da je svaka daljna diskusija o poštivanju i prihvatanju odluke suvišna.

Dobro. Iznesi svoj stav relevantnim BH institucijama i pokrenite (novu) tužbu protiv Srbije i tražite da Haški tribunal (ili neka druga institucija) proglase srbijanski sud nenadležnim. Do tada se možeš prijaviti da saučestvuješ sa optuženikom tako što ćeš 12 godina boraviti u zatvorenoj prostoriji.

Bosanski_kralj wrote: Na nama, građanima, ljudima koji volimo ovu zemlju je dužnost da nešto učinimo. Za početak bi bilo lijepo vidjeti Srbijansku ambasad u Sarajevu da gori

Učini šta smatraš da treba. Možda ćeš dobiti i više od 12.

Kakva bolan tuzba???? Od 1389godine Srbija zna samo za jedno, a to je sila! Dosta vise zajebavanja! Davno je oko te drzave trebalo zid napravit. Treba fino zaostrit situaciju, mi smo Srbiji glavni izvozni partner, pa ne bi bilo lose da prosjecni kupac u BiH odbije kupovati njihovu robu. Ja imam priliku uzeti jeftinu kartu za BG, ali nakon ovoga ja bogami vise nikad u tu kvazi "demokratsku" rugobu od drzave necu krociti!

nokia6170 wrote: Pa to si upravu da se rijetko koristi taj institut, ali ne znaci da nije nemoguce...e sad razlog sto ga drzave ne koriste je cisto prakticne prirode...princip ekonomicnosti i princip nemijesanja u unutrasnja pitanja druge drzave....a ako ga koriste onda se najcese to cini iz politickih i ideoloskih razloga.

Postao/la Laughing Man dana 28/09/2009 16:10

FantomDOTba je napisao/la:Malo se raspitaj, agresija je dokazana i potvrdjena, pa ti pricaj sta hoces

Gdje?

Prije dvije godine u Beogradu je uhapšen Tuzlak Ilija Jurišić, koga su srbijanske vlasti optužile da je na početku rata učestvovao u ratnim zločinima nad pripadnicima tadašnje JNA.

Laughing Man wrote:
Kada jedna država svojim punim vojnim kapacitetom i institucijama neprijateljski djeluje prema drugoj. U ratu u BiH je učestvovala VRS, domaća vojna frakcija, protiv vaših i hrvatskih snaga.

Laughing Man wrote:

muha_sa wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:
Kada jedna država svojim punim vojnim kapacitetom i institucijama neprijateljski djeluje prema drugoj. U ratu u BiH je učestvovala VRS, domaća vojna frakcija, protiv vaših i hrvatskih snaga.

Da tebe nije ja bih i dalje konto da su Užice-Novi Sad,Valjevo,Niš u Srbiji
Bjehu nekakvi korpusi sa imenima tih gradova pa ih vi cvijecem docekivaste

Regularna vojska se povukla. Povukla. Došli su "dobrovoljci", da većinom kriminalci i zločinci.

Bosanski_kralj wrote:

nokia6170 wrote: Pa to si upravu da se rijetko koristi taj institut, ali ne znaci da nije nemoguce...e sad razlog sto ga drzave ne koriste je cisto prakticne prirode...princip ekonomicnosti i princip nemijesanja u unutrasnja pitanja druge drzave....a ako ga koriste onda se najcese to cini iz politickih i ideoloskih razloga.

A da li se je taj institut u ovom konkretnom Ilijnom slučaju može upotrijebiti, da li je krivično dijelo za koje je optužen a i osuđen obuhvaćeno institutom "univerzalne jurisdikcije"?

"Tužilaštvo za ratne zločine tereti Jurišića za krivično djelo upotreba nedozvoljenih sredstava borbe prilikom napada na kolonu JNA u Tuzli"
Ima li gdje kompletna optužnica a i današnja presuda da se mogu skinuti sa neta?

Ivo Lola wrote:fakat se razocaram kad vidim nesto ovako
nevin covjek je osudjen i umjesto da vidimo sta je najbolje da se uradi, da se posalje najjaca poruka... vi raspravljate sa likom koji je i dosao tu bas radi toga, da skrene raspravu sa konkretnih stvari i da ide u istoriju i druge vjecite i nerazrjesive teme o kojima se moze pisati 3 dana
dosta je puta nas ta istorija je..la ali nikako da skontamo

Laughing Man wrote:

Regularna vojska se povukla. Povukla. Došli su "dobrovoljci", da većinom kriminalci i zločinci.

Jesu li ti "pojedinacni dobrovoljci" mogli sa sobom ponijeti JNA tenkove, naftu, artiljeriju, municiju

Bosanski_kralj wrote:

nokia6170 wrote: Pa ja vjerujem da ce ta pitanja biti istaknuta prvenstveno pred Ustavnim sudom R Srbije i eventualno pred Evropskim sudom za ljudska prava od strane odbrane Jurisica...prevashodno pitanje nadleznosti Srbije da sudi za ovaj "dogadjaj" u Tuzli.

Postavlja se pitanje, zasto odbrane Ilije nije istakla prigovor nadleznosti nijednom sudu dosada u ovom predmetu?

Pa odbrana je po pitanju nadležnosti najbrže mogla riješiti ovaj slučaj. Ipak vjerovatno i u Srbiji, sud po službenoj dužnosti pazi da li je nadležan u konkretnom slučaju.

Slobodan MILOSEVIC is individually criminally responsible for the crimes referred to in Articles 2, 3, 4 and 5 of the Statute of the Tribunal as described in this indictment, which he planned, instigated, ordered, committed, or in whose planning, preparation, or execution he otherwise aided and abetted. By using the word "committed" in this indictment, the Prosecutor does not intend to suggest that the accused physically committed any of the crimes charged personally. "Committed" in this indictment refers to participation in a joint criminal enterprise as a co-perpetrator.

The joint criminal enterprise was in existence by 1 August 1991 and continued until at least 31 December 1995. The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, Momcilo KRAJISNIK, Biljana PLAVSIC, General Ratko MLADIC, Borisav JOVIC, Branko KOSTIC, Veljko KADIJEVIC, Blagoje ADZIC, Milan MARTIC, Jovica STANISIC, Franko SIMATOVIC, also known as "Frenki," Radovan STOJICIC, also known as "Badza," Vojislav SESELJ, Zeljko RAZNATOVIC, also known as "Arkan," and other known and unknown participants

Slobodan MILOSEVIC, acting alone and in concert with other members of the joint criminal enterprise participated in the joint criminal enterprise in the following ways:

a) He exerted effective control over elements of the JNA and VJ which participated in the planning, preparation, facilitation and execution of the forcible removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
b) He provided financial, logistical and political support to the VRS. These forces subsequently participated in the execution of the joint criminal enterprise through the commission of crimes which are in violation of Articles 2, 3, 4 and 5 of the Statute of the Tribunal.
c) He exercised substantial influence over, and assisted, the political leadership of Republika Srpska in the planning, preparation, facilitation and execution of the take-over of municipalities in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the subsequent forcible removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from those municipalities.

d) He participated in the planning and preparation of the take-over of municipalities in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the subsequent forcible removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from those municipalities. He provided the financial, material and logistical support necessary for such take-over.
e) He participated in the formation, financing, supply, support and direction of special forces of the Republic of Serbia Ministry of Internal Affairs. These special forces participated in the execution of the joint criminal enterprise through the commission of crimes which are in violation of Articles 2, 3, 4 and 5 of the Statute of the Tribunal.

He participated in providing financial, logistical and political support and direction to Serbian irregular forces or paramilitaries. These forces participated in the execution of the joint criminal enterprise through the commission of crimes which are in violation of Articles 2, 3, 4 and 5 of the Statute of the Tribunal.
g) He controlled, manipulated or otherwise utilised Serbian state-run media to spread exaggerated and false messages of ethnically based attacks by Bosnian Muslims and Croats against Serb people intended to create an atmosphere of fear and hatred among Serbs living in Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina which contributed to the forcible removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

From on or about 1 March 1992 until 31 December 1995, Slobodan MILOSEVIC, acting alone or in concert with other members of the joint criminal enterprise, planned, instigated, ordered, committed or otherwise aided and abetted the planning, preparation and execution of the destruction, in whole or in part, of the Bosnian Muslim and Bosnian Croat national, ethnical, racial or religious groups, as such, in territories within Bosnia and Herzegovina, including: Bijeljina; Bosanski Novi; Bosanski Samac; Bratunac; Brcko; Doboj; Foca; Sarajevo (Ilijas); Kljuc; Kotor Varos; Sarajevo (Novi Grad); Prijedor; Rogatica; Sanski Most; Srebrenica; Visegrad; Vlasenica and Zvornik. The destruction of these groups was effected by:

By these acts and omissions, Slobodan MILOSEVIC committed:


Count 1: GENOCIDE, punishable under Articles 4(3)(a) and 7(1) and 7(3) of the Statute of the Tribunal; or


Count 2: COMPLICITY IN GENOCIDE, punishable under Articles 4(3)(e) and 7(1) and 7(3) of the Statute of the Tribunal

From on or about 1 March 1992 until 31 December 1995, Slobodan MILOSEVIC, acting alone or in concert with members of the joint criminal enterprise, planned, instigated, ordered, committed or otherwise aided and abetted the planning, preparation or execution of persecutions of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, within the territories of Banja Luka; Bihac; Bijeljina; Bileca; Bosanska Dubica; Bosanska Gradiska; Bosanska Krupa; Bosanski Novi; Bosanski Petrovac; Bosanski Samac; Bratunac; Brcko; Cajnice; Celinac; Doboj; Donji Vakuf; Foca; Gacko; Gorazde, Sarajevo (Hadzici); Sarajevo (Ilidza); Sarajevo (Ilijas); Kljuc; Kalinovik; Kotor Varos; Nevesinje; Sarajevo (Novi Grad); Sarajevo (Novo Sarajevo); Sarajevo (Pale); Prijedor; Prnjavor; Rogatica; Rudo; Sanski Most; Sekovici; Sipovo; Sokolac; Srebrenica; Teslic; Trebinje; Sarajevo (Trnovo); Visegrad; Vlasenica; Sarajevo (Vogosca) and Zvornik.
34. Throughout this period, Serb forces, comprised of JNA, VJ, VRS units, local TO units, local and Serbian MUP police units and paramilitary units from Serbia and Montenegro, attacked and took control of towns and villages in these territories. After the take-over, the Serb forces in co-operation with the local Serb authorities established a regime of persecutions designed to drive the non-Serb civilian population from these territories.
35. These persecutions were committed on the discriminatory grounds of political affiliation, race or religion and included:

a) The extermination or murder of thousands of Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians, including women and the elderly, in those territories listed above, the details of which are set out in Schedules A and B to this indictment.

b) The prolonged and routine imprisonment and confinement of thousands of Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians in detention facilities within and outside of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the details of which are set out in Schedule C to this indictment.

c) The establishment and perpetuation of inhumane living conditions against Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians, within the above mentioned detention facilities. These living conditions were brutal and characterised by inhumane treatment, overcrowding, starvation, forced labour and systematic physical and psychological abuse, including torture, beatings and sexual assault.

d) The prolonged and frequent forced labour of Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians, from these detention facilities. The forced labour included digging graves and trenches and other forms of manual labour at the frontlines.

e) The cruel and inhumane treatment of Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians during and after the take-over of the municipalities specified above. Such inhumane treatment included, but was not limited to, sexual violence, torture, physical and psychological abuse and forced existence under inhumane living conditions.

f) The imposition of restrictive and discriminatory measures against Bosnian Muslims, Bosnian Croats and other non-Serbs, such as, the restriction of freedom of movement; removal from positions of authority in local government institutions and the police; dismissal from jobs; arbitrary searches of their homes; denial of the right to judicial process and the denial of the right of equal access to public services, including proper medical care.

g) The beating and robbing of Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians.

h) The forcible transfer and deportation of thousands of Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians, from the territories listed above, to locations outside of Serb held territories as described in paragraphs 40 and 41 and Schedule D to this indictment.

i) The appropriation and plunder of property belonging to Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians.

j) The intentional and wanton destruction of homes, other public and private property belonging to Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, their cultural and religious institutions, historical monuments and other sacred sites, as described in paragraph 42.

k) The obstruction of humanitarian aid, in particular medical and food supplies into the besieged enclaves Bihac, Gorazde, Srebrenica and Zepa, and the deprivation of water from the civilians trapped in the enclaves designed to create unbearable living conditions.


By these acts and omissions, Slobodan MILOSEVIC committed:


Count 3: Persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds, a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, punishable under Articles 5(h) and 7(1) and 7(3) of the Statute of the Tribunal.

Slobodan MILOSEVIC was elected President of the Presidency of the then Socialist Republic of Serbia on 8 May 1989 and re-elected on 5 December 1989. After the adoption of a new Constitution, on 28 September 1990, the Socialist Republic of Serbia became the Republic of Serbia, and Slobodan MILOSEVIC was elected to the newly established office of President of the Republic of Serbia in multi-party elections, held in December 1990. He was re-elected to this office in elections held on 20 December 1992.



4. After serving two terms as President of the Republic of Serbia, Slobodan MILOSEVIC was elected President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia on 15 July 1997, beginning his official duties on 23 July 1997. Following his defeat in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia’s presidential election of September 2000, Slobodan MILOSEVIC relinquished his position on 6 October 2000.

Momcilo PERISIC became the Chief of General Staff of the VJ on or about 26 August 1993 and held this position until 24 November 1998. He was the most senior officer in the VJ and had overall authority and responsibility for its functioning. Under Yugoslav law he was subordinate only to the President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) and the FRY Supreme Defence Council (SDC) which was comprised of the President of the FRY, and the presidents of the two constituent republics of Serbia and Montenegro.

Momcilo PERISIC’s authority over the VJ included authority over its military and civilian personnel within the policies and limitations set by the SDC. His authority over personnel included the de jure and de facto authority to:

make and implement decisions for the VJ General Staff and all subordinate units;

issue orders, instructions, directives and to ensure implementation of these orders, instructions and directives;

transfer and second VJ personnel to the Army of the Republika Srpska (VRS) and the Army of the Serbian Krajina (SVK) via the 30th and 40th Personnel Centres of the VJ General Staff for short temporary assignments or longer indefinite periods.


Momcilo PERISIC, within the policies and limits set by the SDC, had the authority to direct the use and disposition of the material assets of the VJ including: ammunition, weapons and weapons systems, fuel, food, medical supplies, medical facilities, education, spare parts, clothing, and military housing.

Momcilo PERISIC exercised this military authority through the General Staff of the VJ, the highest professional and staff organ for the preparation and use of the Army in times of peace and war. He sometimes exercised this authority in coordination and consultation with senior members of the VRS and the SVK. In the case of VJ officers seconded to the SVK and the VRS, Momcilo PERISIC delegated or transferred, at least in substantial part, daily operational control of these officers to General Ratko Mladic, Commander of the Main Staff of the VRS; General Milan Celeketic, Commander of the SVK and his successor General Mile Mrksic.

Momcilo PERISIC was responsible for ordering, supervising, monitoring and disciplining all personnel and units that comprised the VJ serving within and without the boundaries of the FRY, which included:


All VJ personnel that were seconded to the VRS and the SVK, via the 30th and 40th Personnel Centre of the VJ General Staff whether or not operational control of the personnel was delegated or transferred to the commanders of these other forces and for whom the VJ continued to remunerate and retain its authority to make final determinations regarding their promotions and termination of service. Despite delegating daily operational control of these officers Momcilo PERISIC still had had the authority and material ability to discipline and punish these officers as described in paragraph 37 of this indictment.


All members of the VJ serving in regular units of the VJ who were sent on assignments outside of the FRY or engaged in activities within Yugoslavia in support of the SVK and VRS.


All VRS and SVK military personnel who began their military service in these armies but who, after receiving officer training from and commissioning in the VJ were thereafter remunerated and promoted within the VJ and regulated through the 30th and 40th Personnel Centres.


Momcilo PERISIC had a superior-subordinate relationship with former members of the JNA that joined the newly formed SVK and VRS and who became officers in the 30th and 40th Personnel Centres of the VJ General Staff and who the VJ continued to remunerate for their service in the SVK and VRS and retain its authority to make final determinations regarding their promotion and termination of service.

Between August 1993 and November 1995, Momcilo PERISIC aided and abetted the planning, preparation, or execution of a military campaign of artillery and mortar shelling and sniping onto civilian areas of Sarajevo and upon its civilian population, killing and wounding thousands of civilians.

These crimes were, in part, planned, instigated, ordered, committed and aided by members of the 30th Personnel Centre of the VJ General Staff including but not limited to General Ratko Mladic, Commander of the VRS; General Stanislav Galic, Commander of the Sarajevo Romanija Corps (until August 1994); and General Dragomir Milosevic, Commander of the Sarajevo Romanija Corps (after August 1994). As members of the 30th Personnel Centre of the VJ these and other officers involved in the crimes received all of their remuneration from the VJ. The ranks they held and which allowed them to hold the positions of authority necessary to plan, instigate, order, commit and otherwise aid and abet the above crimes were verified and regulated by the VJ.

MaliJastreb wrote:

Murat Sabanovic wrote:neka,neka, treba nama sve ovo....zasuzili smo i da nam ocevima (koje nisu uspijeli da ubiju) i majkama (koje nisu uspijeli da siluju) sude .......MI bosnjaci nista drugo nismo nego BALIJE....stoka primitivna...sve znamo ,ali nista ne znamo...neka, i dalje mi palamudimo na ovom odvratnom forumu i nista ne poduzimajmo...

Otkad je Ilija Jurisic Bosnjak

Piše: Nermin Čengić (protest.ba)

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću što se nisi ispario kad si mog'o?

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću što si rođen u zemlji čija te demokratski, od naroda izabrana vlast, a boga mi i taj demokratski konstitutivni narod ne j..u pet posto?

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću što si branio zemlju čija te demokratski, od naroda izabrana vlast, a boga mi i taj demokratski konstitutivni narod, poslije kakve-takve odbrane te demokratske, nezavisne države, ne j..e pet posto?

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću što nakon krvi Srebrenice, Tuzle, Sarajeva,.... ti sjediš u zatvoru, dok Biljanu Kuharicu Plavšić puštaju zbog dobrog vladanja?

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću što si vjerov'o da je pravda jedan od kodeksa kojim se vodi današnje čovječanstvo?

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću što nakon dva-tri dana, u vrh glave sedam, nakon male pobune u "raju", postaješ stara vijest i što te niko više neće spominjati, a u cilju dobrosusjedskih odnosa i ostalih baljezgarija koje nam podmeću u cilju konačnog zaborava na sve suze, krv i prazninu?

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću Bosne i Hercegovine?

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću konstitutivnih naroda?

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću Bosne, Vrbasa, Save, Jale, Neretve, Majevice, Treskavice, Maglića, Kozare,.... što šute i ne mogu pričati, a da mogu svašta bi ispričale jer ovo što sebe zove ljudima šute k'o zaliveni?

Je l' te stid Ilija Jurišiću što si isp'o glup i otiš'o u Beograd prije Dine Merlina?

Stidiš li se Ilija Jurišiću mene koji urlam sa relativno sigurne udaljenosti od tvog budućeg dvanaestogodišnjeg boravišta?

Mene je stid Ilija, al' nemam s kim da se stidim.

TUZLARIJE - VIJESTI
28.09.2009.
Javni poziv na protest


Udruženje „Front“, Omladinska organizacija „Oko“, Mladi antifašisti BiH, Udruženje građana „Multi“ Tuzla, pozivaju građane Tuzle da u utorak 29.09.2009. godine u što većem broju dođu pred Bosanski kulturni centar u Tuzli u 9 sati.

Od BKC-a Tuzla građani će zajedno sa budžetskim korisnicima koji su za sutra najavili štrajk, u protestnoj koloni doći do Brčanske Malte gdje će se održati glavni protestni skup posvećen skandaloznoj presudi Suda za ratne zločine Srbije protiv našeg sugrađanina Ilije Jurišića.

Pozivamo građane da u što većem broju dođu na skup kako bi izrazili punu podršku žrtvi politike, te poručili domaćim političarima da je vrijeme da odu sa vlasti dok nisu prodali sve patriote ove zemlje, zemlji koja je izvršila agresiju i stravični zločin nad nama.

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FantomDOTba wrote:Kad bi znao da ce bar jos deset ljudi sa mnom krenuti, iz ovih stopa bi pred srbijansku ambasadu u Sarajevu na demosntracije, al praksa je pokazala da BiH suti sve dok meci ne pocnu da zvizde, a sam da idem pa da zavrsim ko Jurisic necu, ako ima jos dobrovoljaca nek se jave ovdje

Anjusha moderator ili moderatorica sta li si vec, nemoj meni da prijetis preko pp nije ti ovo Beograd